Liverpool Banter Archive March 12 2012
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12 Mar 2012 23:26:54
Lets be honest, man utd beat liverpool to Phil Jones and Ashley Young this summer. The best two english players that where on liverpools transfer list. We ended up with what ever was leftover. Remeber man utd wanted english players too because new rule changes and 23 man squad. So we where left with players that champions league clubs didn't want.
Liverpool over paid for English players because english players lack skill and seem to be overvalued because these new rules. We where hit by the english premium tax.
£6m Jose Enrique (fare price) spainsh
Free. Craig Bellamy (free) wales
£7.0m Charlie Adam (reasonble) scotish
Free. Doni (Free)
£7.0m Sebastian Coates (fare price)
£23m Luis Suarez (good price for world class player)
£35m. Andy Carroll, English, age 22. (Liverpool over paid for average premiership player, but a premium engglish player. English football is so messed up, as a country we have alienated our own away from the game and then complain about price and quality of players who do make it)
£20m. Stewart Downing, English, age26. (English Tax)
£16m. Jordan Henderson, English, age 21 (English Tax)
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Spent: £56,400,000
Sold: £21,050,000
Total Spend: £35,350,00
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If we are honest, for the amounts paid for Carrol, henderson and Downing. Liverpool could of purchased three world class players.
People shouldn't complain about our league finish. We bought average players, but over paid for them. The premiership is to blame.
If your putting carroll into the equation then you should also do the same with torres and meireles and while your at it learn how to SPELL
We can dress it up as we wish, tie pretty ribbons and bows on it, but the fact remains we got very average players, none are worth their fees, all have failed to deliver (british that is).
Its sad to see 'good money' wasted on average players, and we are ultimately paying for their poor performances.
This evening we lost more ground to Arsenal.
Anybody know how many goals AC, SD, JH, CA have contributed.
Out top goal scorer has 6 or 7 (Bellamy).
Its just sad to see!.
12 Mar 2012 23:25:38
Liverpool and Celtic will always be interwined as clubs.
Hero. {Ed001's Note - I don't see how you come to that conclusion? We are two separate clubs, in two separate leagues.}
We both sing, you'll never walk alone.. ha ha {Ed001's Note - lots of clubs sing that though.}
Feynooord
Liverpool created the tradition from a band from Liverpool then you lot copied.
Didn't that band from Liverpool copy anothers work (Rogers and Hammerstein), just asking?.
12 Mar 2012 23:10:04
LFC Prem Points with Lucas 2011/12 Season:- 23pts in 13games
LFC Prem Points without Lucas 2011/13 Season - 16pts in 14 games
More games without him, way less points.
Need I say more? Things will be much better when he is back, fit and raring to go next season!
Reid the Red
Say we repeated that through the end of the season - 63-66 pts. Great record and would have safely got us 4th or 3rd.
BthekingB
Since when did Lucas solve goalscoring probs?
Lucas doesn't score goals, your argument is ungrounded.
He gives others more time on the ball and allows other players to play further up the field
NZL_REd
Since he gives the other players the confidence to go forward knowing they are covered by him.
James
Lucas provides a base in which our other mid-fielders and strikers can go on and attack. Thats how he helps goal scoring.
He allowed us to have a middle man that the defence can go to and we pass our way out of defence quicker.
12 Mar 2012 23:05:15
12 points behind fourth. its still mathematically possible lads. if we win every game from now on and arsenal lose 3/4 of their games left, we might snatch it. (sad face)
No chance, get over the fact that we arn't finishing fourth, let's just hope we get the FA cup instead
Ha, Ha! That's really wishful thinking.
Mathematical equation.
No goals = No 4th place.best
I think it was a joke
12 Mar 2012 23:04:13
Eds,
Do you know anything about Liverpools partnership with Nacional Montevideo? {Ed001's Note - it is just to give us first option on their youngsters.}
12 Mar 2012 22:55:30
So I just had an idea, everyone had been talking poorly of downing because he has played poorly. But think of this, both "right mids" if you can call them that are really a striker and an attacking mid. So both like to cut in and not provide width. That leaves downing as the only winger and that isn't hard to realize. So a team just has to shut down and double team downing because our right isn't a threat to make him look poor. Downing is a great player I think but it is too easy to play him out of games since he is the only winger.
Red Rat
Spot on!
ChinUp
Great player "no"
average player"yes"
12 Mar 2012 22:51:33
Hopefully we can get rid of dalglishs mistakes ASAP and get rafa in to replace them with his style of players. Ed do you think rafa will return in summer or will he be off to Chelsea?
The bad guy {Ed001's Note - neither.}
12 Mar 2012 22:49:59
I think the team for tomorrow nights derby will be.
Reina,Johnson,Enrique,Carra,Skrtel.Spearing,Gerrard,Maxi,Downing,Suarez and Carroll.
mighty reds
What odds Jelavic to score.
12 Mar 2012 22:49:47
not a rumour, more of an observation. i don't know if others have noticed (i don't see how not), but carroll seems to spend the majority of any given game on the ground! for such a big guy seems rather strange don't you think? he seems to have lost his dominance as a player! shame.
richy p
Suarez actually spends more time on the ground than Carroll, Carroll is just darn right bone idle
12 Mar 2012 22:45:56
The facts dont lie has our ambition as a club dropped do we now tolerate failure?
look over last 10 seasons
01/02 pld27 52pts
02/03 pld27 43
03/04 pld27 39(Houllier sacked end of season)
04/05 pld27 43
05/06 pld27 54
06/07 pld27 50
07/08 pld27 50
08/09 pld27 55
09/10 pld27 45(Benitez sacked end of season)
10/11 pld27 39(Roy removed b4 27 games pld)
11/12 pld27 39(Kenny squad stronger and progressing well?
We are 5pts better off than Souness 1992-1993 season after 27 tho!
Why don't we just play the Reserves in the FA Cup, Carling Cup, Europa League ?
We really don't want to win those worthless competitions cos they get in the way of the magical 4th spot.
Hang on, did Rafa try that ?
Hang on, what did the supporters say when Burnley knocked us out ?
The Real KB
Yes, but the EPL is far more competitive these days, with the lesser teams taking more points of the big boys than they ever have.
Tommy Walsh
Looking at this i think its fair to say that benitez was our best manager during that period, Why did they sack him it's not his fault.
We may have won more if those tight arse yanks gave him the money to acquire real talent.
He got money to spend. What sort of budget do you think David Moyes has.
Rafa was his own worst enemy, let's not repeat the same again.
If its a new manager, let it be someone totally new, not 2nd clothes.
If the yonks had given him money, it would have been debt on the club. I for one am glad they did not!
Iggypop
12 Mar 2012 22:24:46
Any chance for Andrew Surman of Norwhich City coming to Liverpool Eds? That's the type of average british codswallaop we seem to be aiming for nowadays for our mid-table team project we seem to have going on!
Heard Charlie Adams has been called up the national scottish rugby team
argh, hope we fix up next season happy for the carling cup win but c'mon we are LIVERPOOL FC and should have higher expectations premier league wise.
12 Mar 2012 22:15:27
Cant believe how crazy and un-thoughout some of the posts on here are. Agreed, we've had a bad run of late and pretty much blown any chance of 4th place, but is the answer really to sack KK and Comolli?
Yes we have spent money, some bad/some good, But so have all the other teams above us (Chelsea have spent nearly as much as we have on players on managers). Nobody has the right to finish in the top 4, including ourselves. Man citys bench against Swansea yesterday cost as much as our team and they still lost. Looking back at the season so far our play on the whole has merit'd more points than we've actually accumulated, We are only one or two players off jumping up 3 or 4 places in the league standings.
Every team has good times and every team has bad times, we must take the rough with the smooth. I'm not saying we must all believe in Kenny blindly, but we must stop this Jekyll and Hyde supporters mob thing. He has improved our play massively, and with a few new faces in the summer I do believe we will be challenging next season and in the seasons to come (with Kenny at the helm hopefully).
So to Kenny and the Boys, I still believe in you!
Tommy Walsh
Real Supporter alert ! I'll support you on that Tommy and then sign off quickly before some other joker has a pop at the club they are supposed to love.
Derry Red.
Hallelujah great post Tommy
cozinoz
We all love the club , but do the players who get paid mega bucks , answer no its just a job to them and they let us down apart from the fact that the present crop of players may be the worse i have seen since the second division days.red mick tag
12 Mar 2012 22:06:54
it was an interesting thing said on rte's version of match of the day where john giles, a great leeds player and pundit said that liverpool have a good structure and will be back on top before chelsea. we should respect kenny's judgement. everything is being done right, we just need more consistency. hendo and carrol will come good. downing and adam may also improvve after a year at the club. shelvey, kelly and coates are knocking at the door and expecct to see coady, sterling , suso and morgan introduced in the next season or two. some good summer investments will lead us on our way.
Good to see someone with a bit of sense. Too bad it takes a Leeds player to say it.
I am still skeptical about Adam, though. Would just rather have someone else who brings more to the team.
If this is how it is been done right then u hate to see when it goes wrong!!
Are you sure everything is being done right??...if so, 7th place (and fading fast) doesn't add up??
We 'just' need more consistency...as if such qualities can easily be bought or obtained...to say nothing of stating the obvious. We aren't consistent because we don't have players capable of performing at a high level...consistently...hence we are inconsistent!
By the way, just stating these players will come good (i.e. tantamount to hoping and praying) won't make it so. There needs to be a dramatic change in form for them to realize their potential. Sure a part of their performance to date could be due to acclimatizing to LFC but, 75% into the season, there has to be some signs of a turnaround...do you see it...cuz I don't? Sorry, but without a more concrete and compelling reason to believe these players will 'just' magically come good...'just because'...your optimism seems a little misguided.
12 Mar 2012 21:56:52
Five Arsenal players in the Newcastle box...no wonder they scored...how could they not??
KK are you watching?? How are we supposed to score with only Suarez up front taking on 3 defenders every time (remarkable he's able to even get close as many times as he does)??...want to end our scoring woes??...a good start would be to play 2 up front and to actually attack!
You're right mate everytime one of our players goes to cross the ball our strikers are nearer the half way line why dont they run in infront of defenders to get them tap ins?
Moan moan whinge whinge
We should atleast have two strikers in the box, atleast one winger (one wide for support) and a midfielder. We have such a decent defence because we sit back and not attack at all.
12 Mar 2012 21:56:40
i ask myself similar questions as the poster below, Derek says. we have had proven prem players come to anfield and not perform how they shud. joe cole(england regular b4 pool), harry kewel(class at leeds thout he'd b kop favorite)and keano(scored goals where eva he's been.dont no why big players dont have succes at pool..redman matt
Hold on when was Joe Cole last an England regular, if he was so good Chelsea would have offered him a new deal.
Kewell spent more time on the treatment table than Darren Anderton for a season or two.
Robbie Keane is now in the MLS and wasn't particularly successful when he went back to Spurs. Ed01 will tell you or subtlety hint that it was more to do with distractions off the pitch than his talent on it.
I see where you were coming from but bone of those players arrived in their prime.
Papa G
12 Mar 2012 21:50:23
Just read a very good article in the Guardian about Unai Emery. He could possibly be available in the summer. Considering he has consistently lost is best players and limited funds he has done wonders with Valencia.
GuvTOB
12 Mar 2012 21:15:54
The last time we had a proper quality team we finished second with our highest points total ever in the premiership... we then lose in my opinion FOUR key players:
1. Torres (when in Form)
2. Alonso
3. Mascherano
4. Arbeloa
Main backups were players like
Benayoun, Lucas, Babel,
Look at the replacements guys, there's a reason we're not challenging for higher places. If we don't play our strongest team every game then we can lose... simples.
12 Mar 2012 20:58:17
Cast your minds back 18 months,ask yourself were Charlie Adam,Jordan Henderson,Andy Carroll,Stewart Downing not all thought of as very good/promising players,who were all probably sort after by a number of top quality teams?
I will answer my own question,YES.
Now answer the question what the hell has happened to them all since signing for Liverpool,surely it is not a coincidence that none of them have performed to the expected level and are all probably playing worse than they were 18 months ago.
There is obviously something wrong they are not bad players they are just playing badly for us.
So when we speculate on who we may sign should we not speculate as to how badly they might play for us.
Derek
Got to agree with this post. I don't know how much is true but wasn't old whiskey nose sniffing around Hendo at one point and didn't arry offer around 20 mill for carrol? My point is that same one that Derek makes, these players were playing good and full of confidence yet now half the time look lacking in it. Is this down to the man management at the club? Makes you wonder though, surely kk should be able to get the best out of our players.
For me, Adam should only be playing when we are playing five in midfield, this way he doesnt have to worry about getting back as he is no where as mobile as he needs to be playing in a four man midfield.
I think the players need to know there role/position as being chopped and changed all the time surely can't be helping.
Please don't take this as me slagging the players, just saying what I think.
Top four is out if reach now arsenal have snatched all three points, thats being realistic.
I believe if this is the case, even if we win the fa cup the owners will not be completely happy. Yes it's two cups and I for one will be over the moon but the owners were clear with their expectations at the beginning of the season, top four was the target.
We will miss this due to our lack of goals and lack of a clinical striker.
Personally I think kk should be given three years and hope the owners feel the same, only time will tell.
Andy the red
Top teams, cant rember that one! Apart from Sky sports harry who want to buy every player, does he even have scouts.
It seems that before any transfer window we are linked with top players who would make a change i.e Mata. Then buy crap i.e Adam.
True enough, Henderson was scouted by City and United. Tottenham almost signed Adam and Carroll (£25 mil turned down). Perhaps the key is that integrating too many elements all at once to the first team. The balance is wrong and it needs serious attention in the summer.
Papa G
Agree the balance of the team hasn't been right all season. Two things that desperately need addressing with any summer purchases:
1. Speed - we are desperately slow for a counter-attacking team.
2. Clear-cut chance conversion. Buy a confident striker and this can rub-off on
the rest of the team.
Sir Masher
12 Mar 2012 20:44:18
Eds,
I just saw the video on the lfc website, "LFC Tunnel Cam".
There i saw Raheem Sterling arriving with all the players at Anfield.
Was he in the squad against Arsenal?
Or why do you think he was with the 1st team players on matchday? {Ed001's Note - he often does spend time with the first team, it is to get him feeling a part of it, so that he is not overawed when he does get in the team.}
12 Mar 2012 20:26:40
Any one else's brain going into overdrive when Newcastle went one up for them 10 seconds or so haha
12 Mar 2012 20:19:24
How I wish we had RVP!.
Next season, so will Arsenal -
Suffolk'n Red
12 Mar 2012 20:18:45
i agree with mj a few posts down evry1 is calling for raffa back but wot happens if he comes in and gets off to a crap start.will the4y want him replaced then? i personally dont want raffa back he said he would get us the league and had 5 seasons to do it but didnt.i think stick with kenny till end of the season then if kenny stays or goes whoever comes in a 2 or 3 quality players brought in could get us back in the mix.just need to b more consistant. hope kenny has a strong finish to the season massive game tomorrow now...redman matt
12 Mar 2012 20:14:06
what do you guys think we must do in the summer. my ideal signings are
In:soldado, ramirez, nico gaitan and new manager
Out:Kenny(goes up), johnson, suarez and deadwood(aqua, cole ect...)
But no champ leaugue, i will whish for: Luuk De Jong, Ramirez and a marque signing, new manager(Didier descamps, jurgen klopp, the benfica manager.
Shocking post Kenny needs time to build his own squad it cant be done in twelve months. He already has one trophy in the bag. mighty reds
12 Mar 2012 20:12:36
these people calling for manager changes . do you really want us to be like chelsea who sack a manager every year mouriniho included. i for one dont want this kk has just won a trophy . surely hes entitled to another year . if avb had won carling he would still be there. i believe in a couple of years a lot of people who want kk out will be saying thank god he never went.
alan waddle
Listen we are now only an average club we are not as big as city, chelsea,spurs ,arsenal and nowhere near to utd so what do we expect we are more in everton,newcastle and villa's standard we could well be the next leeds if were not careful phil
Even without signing off we can tell you a dirty manc.
12 Mar 2012 19:44:24
well Sunderland got at us this weekend. the rotation got us.
12 Mar 2012 19:42:55
My team for the derby tomorrow
Reina
Johnson Kelly Skrtel Enrique
Downing Henderson Gerrard Bellamy
Suarez Carroll
Would like to see Shelvey get a run out at some point aswell
Valley Red
So you have never seen Henderson play , then ..........
Speo must play instead of hendo in your team
12 Mar 2012 19:23:52
I hope you appreciate that I am trying to help Liverpool!
On behalf of LFC supporters I have written a letter of complaint to the Premier League claiming that the Sunderland player who scored their winning goal was ineligible.
In doing so, I have firstly confirmed with Andrew Lloyd Webber that he had not given permission for any of his employees to represent Sunderland FC.
I mean, you can't make this up can you? Last year a LFC beach ball runs on the pitch, and then, clearly standing in an off-side position and completely unmarked, flicks the ball in for the only goal! Now on Saturday, on the same ground, who pops up to score?... only the Phantom of the bloody Opera, that's who! I have suggested to the PL that lead characters in West End musicals are not allowed to score against Liverpool, and I will update you when I receive a response. These events are turning Liverpool into a laughing stock, and I will not have it!
On a lighter note, did you see the comic genius from Pepe Reina to set up their goal? How did he dive full length, then whilst on the ground like a beached whale, head the ball against the post, only for the ball to drop right in the path of the Phantom? It was fantastic skill. Then, for comedic effect, he jumped up confused, clearly not able to work out where the ball had gone, whilst everyone was shouting in typical pantomime style, "it's behind you". Now that's entertainment!
Eric Banterna x
Sorry mate i'm not having a go at you but what is the point of your posts? There're too weak to upset anyone and not funny, they are just very boring, why not ask your mum to give you some help and give it another go and remember try to be a bit more inventive, this top of the head stuff is so boring to read, and don't write so much as it shows you have an obsession with LFC and this shows us all that we are under your skin.
MR EM
No entertainments knocking you out of the FA cup and watching Manchester beat Salford 6-1.
Ozone
Flopping against Athletico at home on ch5... now that's funnier & a lot less words.
dd
EB, just go back under your bridge.
The Liver Bird
12 Mar 2012 19:21:47
Not being funny but how hard is it to scout players? Best job in the world and a piece of piss si why can't we scout any good first team players?
Sorry but scouting must be damned hard Liverpool thought henderson , downing adam and carroll were good and spent best part of 100m on them
Great point...while we are all on here clamouring for KK's head, it is really the scouting staff that needs to be axed. KK's accountability has been well documented.
Just what the hell were the scouts watching and thinking when they came to the conclusion that Carroll, Henderson and Adam were players of LFC stature??
Anyone can throw wads of cash to buy players...that's the easy and the lazy way to build a team. The irony is that it's a myth that the only way to win and compete is to have a big payroll. If the scouting staff is doing their job...I mean REALLy doing their job...they should be able to uncover plenty of reasonably priced players that have the heart, desire and pride to play for LFC and to make us all proud.
The value of a competent scouting staff cannot be overstated...sadly, we are in dire need of one.
Digital Man
Great post digital man. Our scouting system needs serious consideration. Scouting at youth level looks good but why us it so poor at senior level?
We don't scout players we employ some French bloke to to spend all his time looking on his computer comparing player stats
Comolli out!
Comolli wants boudeboux and sissoko, if u ask me, damn good players. He was behind the Suarez purchase. And he made tottnham the group of young players they are now. Not bad if u ask me?
Utterly clueless
12 Mar 2012 19:21:02
I see the fickles and doom mongers are stewing in there own medicine. Anyway we are looking to probably the biggest game of the season tomorrow as uniteds obsession with Liverpool makes us man utds cup final.
Anyway lets all get behind the boys and hopefully cheer them onto three points its the only big game i have never done but i am going tomorrow night so i cant wait to hammer the blue noses.
Mighty reds
We only need one point to secure Premiership football for another season , I would settle for that given the way we are playing .
Would like to have your optamism but I'm not holding my breath,won't bother watching the game if the players can't be botherd them neither can I :-(
12 Mar 2012 19:20:25
David Moyes as a manager is on fire. I would expect him to beat Liverpool and show himself to be a world class manager. The bbc have been hyping all week as Tottenham's next manager.
I expect Moyes to leave Everton if he manages to beat Liverpool. He will be off to manager a bigger team. He is managing to pull it off at the moment. So a upset is on the cards.
Yes on fire. a few wins every season doesn't make a good manager. KK has more trophies in 1 year than moyes has in 10. Class manager
Moyes is one of the best managers in the league and how he's kept Everton in the premier league is a miracle. Don't slag him off because he's a toffee but imo he's better the Slur Alex ever has been
12 Mar 2012 19:41:49
where can i see tonights game.
Sky Sports lol
At the emirates stadium, failing that wiziwig.tv.
huddz red
12 Mar 2012 19:40:54
Hi all,
I'd just like to make the following points :
1) The loss of Lucas to injury and our loss of form is no coincedence.Jay spearing has done okay but Charlie Adam isnt a ball winner. Lucas does a very good job of keeping it simple.
2) Downing - has showed flashes of brilliance but the consitanticy simpy has not been there. dear i say but hes has a touch of the mcgeady about him- not enough end product.
3) Right side midfield: we need a right winger. ive never been a fan of playing left footers on the right and vice versa. Henderson is not a right winger. Johnson could and should play there
4) Carroll - Big Andy played his best games foor toon when they were whipping balls in from the left and right, for him to put his head on to, i think he ll come good if we play to his style
so heres my starting Xi with a fully fit teamm :
Reina
Kelly Skertel Agger Enrique
Johnson Lucas Gerrard Downing
Suarez Carroll
Finally i tthink its a straight choice between Skertel and Enrique for player of the year
Rebel_Red
12 Mar 2012 19:32:58
These new Liverpool owners ain't spent that much think after player sales its 30 million. If they think they can get champions league football with that they are a joke. Personally i have my doubts about them..Where is the new stadium?
12 Mar 2012 19:12:59
Lets all start sending Andy Carrol Lucky Charms, Sayings, ect.Something has to get him in a goal scoring mind.
maybe he can staart wearing his old no 9 newcastle top
12 Mar 2012 19:06:06
Hi ed's, Before I post I'd just like to say that I love Dalglish to bits but I think the time has come to change his position in the club to move upstairs and let someone else manage, he is a brilliant at man management and think he could be useful for the club with this trait but tactically he isn't as good as Rafa. Rafa should never have been sacked he has managed the best side we have had in the last 10 years yes he made mistakes but him and Dalglish together would just be the perfect combo I just think it is mad to let him go to another club when he is available at the moment he has shown the passion for Liverpool that is required for the job. Sorry for the long post.
YNWA JFT96.
Greg.
12 Mar 2012 18:58:25
Well i am sick of all you moaning get kenny out kinda guys and whether we Win, Lose or Draw tomorrow i will still support LFC and i wont B!tch like a little girl about the result either way
MJ
We have to win tommorow it's as simple as that if we lose sac kenny if we draw sac kenny end off,I'm tired of watching dull boring football and then for kenny to come out at the end off game interview tell me how great the team are doing
Well said fella spot on!
And anyone who has disagreed with this should hold your head in shame youre a disgrace! YNWA
LeeWils
May i just add i agreed with the original poster not the other one!
LeeWils
12 Mar 2012 18:53:05
does y.n.w.a mean youll, never ,win,again.
|King Kenny is rubbish spent eighty mill and gets you about 3 more points that granma hodgson.
i would love w.b.a to finish above you just to prove a point.
a plastic chavski fan utb
let the abuse begin, now go on i bet you bite
try not to mention history its boring
lets mention channel 5 ay
Google translate couldn't make sense of this post either....
I am sure one of the eds said yesterday only quality banter from other fans make it through.
MIKEY
Troll nonsense
12 Mar 2012 18:50:39
Why are supporters bashing kenny?
If you look at the club stats, all your problems are shown to you. We are creating lots of chances, but converting few. The main person to blame would be Andy Carrol, he hasn't been putting the goals in. We have also been excluding Kuyt from the team. He does score his far-share of goals.
So really, we need to get a goal machine in at the club. We've drawn far too many home games due to lack of finishing.
The defense is soild, the midfield creates chances. Our stikers havnt been finishing. Support the manager.
We all know that andy carrol will have to leave for decent money if we are to get a goal machine in.
I take it you missed the match on saturday as we created jack
We don't need another striker, We need to alter our tactics, and play to the strenghth of the players we brought in. Individualy they were the best players for their previous clubs, at the moment using the present tactics they are a complete mismatch.........Bobbinred
12 Mar 2012 18:44:11
If Rafa was here, you lot would be unhappy with the poor performance, the boring 0-0 or 1 goal win. Liverpool supporters are never happy. Would supporters like us to go back to boring rafa football.
Better win rate and at rafas worst season at this point we had 48 points, far better tactician than kenny, we where a threat in europe, best you can say about is now is where a threat in the carling cup and we nearly messed that up.
Please get real not all rafas football was boring .we played some great football under rafa at times, dont ayyac rafa to defend kk
soul man
12 Mar 2012 18:41:42
Lets face it, our team is done fantastically well this year.
We bought average premiership players. These are not champions league class players. So if we keep the faith in the management, the training, the youth setup, the age of our squad. We will see results in two or three seasons. Its not a overnight thing.
Supporters should keep the faith. This is a long term project. The manager needs two or three seasons.
None of our signing this summer where champions league status. Steven Gerrard is still our best midfielder.
I agree ,but we pay large for average players and somebody have to answer WHY.Serbian red
The first step in a long term project may well be the spin that ultimately gets put on this season. How else could our pathetic performance be explained away? That would also be in keeping with KK and the rest of the management's lack of accountability and incessant rationalizing that we have been hearing all sesaon long.
I ain't buying what they are selling though...no one spends the way we spent during the summer without the MINIMUM expectation of at least 4th place. The reality of the economics can't possibly suggest anything else.
With a couple of exceptions, the purchases were terrible and they have failed miserably. There is no other way to look at this season as a failure.
Don't you mean 2 to 3 decades
12 Mar 2012 18:40:27
"paris is a big club and like other big clubs i would love to go there"
awww even suarez is gonna dump you guys..
let me ask you ...was it worth getting behind him all that time eh ;-)
Au revoir Luis, atleast you wont be 7th in PSG.
DJ
At least u won't be in debt at mancester. At least u won't be under payed at arsenal. At least u won't be lucky as you wood at tottnham. Wait next year when ur stars leave an arry leaves. At least u won't be in a team with a cult of old players who honestly aren't great anymore. Want more points?
12 Mar 2012 18:40:13
Apart from being Bitter with their nasty songs,that they feed the Mancs.And being a reject,old nag farm, for Manc players.Has anyone else noticed another reason to dislike BlueS ite?=Mimic everything we do-Champagne on ice song."Peoples club quote(Scottish gargoyle)took from Shanks-"Club by and for the people".And now "In Moyes we trust".Taken from our"In Rafa we trust".True that Hatred born from Envy!
Give us the liver bird back then
12 Mar 2012 18:32:06
Hi everyone, we as supporters have to manage our own expectations.
We can win the FA cup. We can beat Stoke in the FA cup. we are going to win two cups this season. That will be a great achievement for Kenny.
Supporters of a club should support the team and the manager. It is very easy to destroy a great man.
Win the FA cup and look forward to European football next season. Its not all doom and gloom at the moment. The supporters need to stay positive about the club and players.
The supporters cause their own misfortune. It becomes self-fulfilling prophecy.
stay positive about the club and manager. We need the supporters to believe in Liverpool again.
You won't win the FA Cup there are better teams in it such as Spurs, Chelsea, Toffee Men, Leicester etc......
Red Daz. {Ed001's Note - I seem to remember those teams being in the Carling Cup as well.....}
Amen.
Stu.
Yeah but nobody could care less about the carling cup. Spurs, Chelsea and Everton probably need a trophy even more then liverfool do.
Red Daz. {Ed001's Note - right, so you weren't celebrating it when United won it a couple of years back? Grow up and stop embarrassing yourself.}
Ed didn't you know that now the uefa cup is a valid competition now the mancs aren't in the cl any more all the p155 taking they have done for years about anyone else playing in europe on a thursday afternoon/night, aint it funny the hand life deals ya
12 Mar 2012 18:15:16
Hi eds,
I recently read on goal (i know, not worth the eye time) but they were quoting prices of players that seemed unfamiliar to me, can you tell me the price say to the nearest half a million of all the major players who came in last summer, cheers eds.
The southern red {Ed001's Note - a much more reliable site to use would be transfermarkt.co.uk}
Cheers Ed001 what I was looking for.
The southern red {Ed001's Note - I thought it would be more useful than me just giving you a list, it is a decent site that one.}
12 Mar 2012 18:10:45
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12 Mar 2012 18:01:19
How long is this going to go on? How long are we going to keep backing our under performing team and manager? Dont get me wrong, Kenny was a legend at this club and still is, for now. But we have got to face facts, We cant just keep going along with this horror show just because kenny dalglish is in charge.
We have won 1 league game in 2012, We have 2 wins in 11 league games, We have only scored 30 league goals this season, Only everton, stoke, QPR and wigan have scored less goals than us, This is relegation form that we are showing, Its not good enough and those of you who say stick with kenny are delusional, If it was any other manager in charge then there would be protests outside anfield until he was sacked.
You all know what im saying is true, I love kenny, but our club is going backwards, If we leave it any longer than we are just going to keep going backwards, Kenny just cant cut it anymore, He spent 35m on carroll, 6m on adam, 6m on coates, 16m on downing and 19m on henderson, That is the biggest expenditure ever by a liverpool team and it is the worst signings we have seen in a long time, the comoli/dalglish transfer policy just doesnt work, The manager should choose his transfer targets, not comoli, can you really see ferguson, mourinho, wenger, guardiola not choosing their own transfer targets?
Kenny was just put in this job because of his name, I hate to say it but he is like a puppet, When the whole suarez racial issue came out, did none of you feel embarrassed when kenny came out for his interview with his ''suarez t-shirt''on? it was cringe worthy, no other manager would do that.
Back to the signings, Downing had 0 goals, 0 assists, Adam, Henderson have been useless all season, Carroll couldnt kick snow off a rope and coates has rarley been used, but he was terrible the other day when he played, Our club needs drastic changer right now, Its the hard honest truth, I know alot of you will just jump down my throat and question my loyalty, But the club comes 1st, No man is bigger than our club, Kenny needs to retire and take all his bad signings with him, also get rid of suarez too if he wants out, i said when we signed him that he would be trouble, and he brought hsame on our club for making racist remarks to evra and he made a rude gesture to the leeds fans i think it was, but what do you expect from a player who actually bites another platyer when he was playing in holland, disgraceful.
kenny needs to go before his legendary status at anfield is ruined, I love this club more than i love kenny dalglish.
David.
How dare you speak about King Kenny like that he is doing a brilliant job in fact I couldn't ask for him to do any more. in Kenny we trust. I AM KLOOT
Great post David you will get flak but you are 100% correct! Many will disagree but after tommorow night more will see all your doing is being realistic.
Great post
How can ye get rid of a manager who has just won a cup.
After 100 million spent he have to do lot more ,I am afraid.Serbian red
School tomorrow Kloot, don't forget your packed lunch with the rest of the infants.
12 Mar 2012 17:57:10
Difficult isn't it? Unhappy about results, form, players, lack of signings in January etc..
By the same token frustrated that league form has been poor, despite buying players that were "players of their clubs previous season" etc..
If I'm honest I don't know what I wasnt and if i'm honest we've fallen short on numerous seasons not just this one.
By the same token there is only four competitions (forget charity sheild/world club cup etc.) a single club can win in a season and a lot of teams have spent a lot of money competing for these (the fourth is Europe and allow English teams have won this twice in 7 years there was a time in these years where English teams normally made up 2 of the Semi Final places).
Are we aiming too high? I don't think so, a lot of things have occured this season, yes we've hit the woodwork and so have other teams so you can only basis on facts and at the moment we are not good enough; should we call for the managers head? Well I remember a year ago when we were calling for him!
Have we spent a lot of money? Yes; has the squad changed? Yes; Has a lot of dead wood on lots of money gone? Yes; Is January the best time to buy? No (see Fernando M - what a snip at £6m - I thought he would be amazing. Is the UEFA fair play rules in place? Yes; has this effected budgets? Possibly.
All in all this season so far has been a disappointment aside from the Carling Cup. But should we call for the managers head? For me it's a No.
The players will have a year's experience more; Lucas will be back (who would've wanted that a few years ago)! Gerrard will hopefully be retired from International football and fit! Younger players will be more experienced and some high earners (Maxi and Kuyt) will also be gone. Also with a few new additions we may regret the time we asked for Kennys head; whether the owners agree I don't know but they seem sensible enough so far!
Be careful for what you wish for!
Hoola
12 Mar 2012 17:51:05
it just occurred to me that our whole team has scored only 1 goal more that van persie(excluding own goals). this has made me write an assessment. i am no expert and this is purely imo.
1.there is no competition for places. kelly is good but johnsons contract prevents competition here. bellamy has also been good when he plays but he very rarely plays(partly due to his knee). maxi i think has the best goals per game ratio but he never gets a chance.
2.tactics not working. yes we pass the ball around more and in the first half of the season these passes had attacking intent. but our midfield is not able to do it now. our build up is very slow giving enough time for the opposition to get most men behind the ball. we constantly pass to our defense. in fact reina has set up more attacks than many in the midfield.
3.suarez a team player? is he told to try to score when he gets the ball or is he selfish? the club, fans, manager, team mates have given him tremendous support. it is high time he realizes his role and win us games. he is the most talented player we have but his talent is going waste. he sometimes compliments well with kuyt but very rarely with others.
4.the biggest issue i see for our club is the stadium. stadium requires a lot of investment be it new/redevelopment. this would mean very little money for transfers. our squad is not capable of achieving champions league. and it will be atleast 2-3 years for our youth players to make it to first team. so this calls for another huge investment to the first team. are the owners ready to do this? i think this may be one of the reasons they are holding back the stadium decision. asses the team at the end of the season, decide to invest in the team and put of the stadium for another year is how i see it happening.
i could go on bit more but the frustration seems to have gone down after such a long post.
finally great job eds.
12 Mar 2012 17:37:53
Man United top of the league, I feel sick, real sick.
Anyone else think that team is a pile of she*p? We
have way better quality players than them to every
man, from keeper to defenders, midfield and strikers.
Gutted.
We can't even close close to matching UTD's "poor" team
Lets see apart from Reina and Gerrard who we got?
A lot of expensive players that have not knitted together
We obviously are better than them thats why they are top and we are no where near them
You're so deluded it's funny lol, I would go through every player just to show you how much better our squad is but i don't think it would to much good.
P.S Keep these posts up lads, they're great entertainment lol.
CnM
Well, its embarrasing but they are better in many areas than us. Its actually ridiculous for me to accept. Terrible. Just feeling delusional to say but its the truth. :(
Whats the point in feeling sick mate it wont change anything
MJ
Is this satirical?
That's why your seventh
Regardless what you think about the Manks, they know how to win. I actually think(when we both have a fully fit squad) that it's pretty even.
The major issue for us, and I imagine the Utd fans would admit, is the fact they have 6-7 strikers to choose from. We have 4(including Kuyt&Bellamy).
(for those who didn't do Maths)
> better/greater
De Gea
Johnson > Twin(either)
Skrtel = Rio/Jones
Agger = Vidic ( Vidic is class tho )
Kuyt < Nani
Gerrard > Anyone!
Lucas > Anyone!
Downing < Valencia or Young (ATM)
Suarez > Berb or Little Pea
Carroll < Rooney
Dalglish >>>>> Bacon Face
Liverpool fans >>>>>>> Utd Fans
Lee YNWA
It doesn't matter how good (or bad) the individual players are, what matters is how the function as a team. I don't think anyone would claim that individually Swansea players are better than Man. City's as an example, but Swansea won because they played better as a team. As such, ManU (unfortunately) has by and large played better as a unit than we have. Just my opinion, of course.
RDL
Try again - no pasting(sorry Eds my iPod is useless!)
Reina > De Gea
Johnson > Twin(either)
Skrtel = Rio/Jones
Agger = Vidic ( Vidic is class tho )
Enrique = Evra
Kuyt < Nani
Gerrard > Anyone!
Lucas > Anyone!
Downing < Valencia or Young (ATM)
Suarez > Berb or Little Pea
Carroll < Rooney
Lee YNWA
Gerard and Lucas hilarious, that's why the Ginger Prince and Carrick dominated your lousy midfield this season.
Red Daz.
Lee, such a biased post. Looks Like i will have to show you the way it should be:
De Gea < Reina (at the moment)
Twins > Johnson (he can't defend)
Rio/Jones > Skrtel
Vidic > Agger (there is a reason vidic was in the team of the year)
Smalling > Coates
Evra = Enrique
Scholes > Gerrard (Gerrard is a shadow of is former self)
Carrick = Lucas
Cleverly > henderson
Nani> Kuyt
Young/Valencia > Downing
Rooney > Suarez
Berba/chica/welbeck > Carrol
SAF >>>>>> Dogleash
Utd fans > Liverpool fans
CnM
What about fourth round of fa cup
Your attempt at fair and just is quite humorous...
Lee YNWA
Carrick=lucas? are you actually serious?
For the guy who wrote "Carrick = Lucas". I have difficulty in imagining Carrick in the Brazilian first 11. Is Carrick really that good?
Evar = Enrique Lol!
AG
To all you SPAM Utd armchair fans that keep coming on this site. This is total evidence that you are in fact obsessed with Liverpool Football Club. Go on, admit it, or go back to your bad dress sense and out of date sense of humour in mancland. YNWA.
12 Mar 2012 17:27:55
How many fans think kenny is playing gerrard out of position in centre midfield ,and should play him up front since he's the best player we have at converting chances into goals
Thanks jeff
Gerrard should be up front but then if he does play up front where's the midfield creativity going to come from?
Adam or Henderson, maybe Spearing?
Don't think so do you?
Not only that he seems to have either lost his pace or is scared to use it, so isn't really mobile enough at the moment.
He's not joining the attack(s) quick enough and then isn't getting back to cover.
He's definitely not the box-to-box superstar he used to be.
He still has more quality than most of the squad though, so KK needs to find his best position and play him there.
Lets hope he doesn't end up like a lot of the squad, being played out of position or dropped after a good performance or when getting some decent form back.
Agree with poster.Stevie uptop would allow Hendo to find his form in middle.That way we d see if hes got what it takes
Its looks to me like Gerrard has been told not to venture to far forward. Look what happened when he went between the midfield and the striker at bolton the result (and scoreline) was horrendous to watch as we have no DM with Lucas out.
Hardly the fault of gerrard.
Our team is unbalanced and one injury to a player where there is no cover can have pretty drastic consequences.
Earlier this seas Robinson was injured for a fairly long spell, what if something had of happened to Enrique during this time?
It would have been highlighted just the same as the injury of Lucas has highlighted his absence.
Unblanced team, lacking cover for critical positions with players that have so far not fused into a cohesive unit.
The probelms for the squad are many.
Looking to blame Gerrard on the ills of the squad is not warranted.
Gerrard has Carried us for the last 14 years like no other player could ever have done, however even he has his limits.
Forget about Man u, we can't compare our team to theirs. More importantly is the nearly 30 points we are behind (that's 10 wins) now there is the difference, they win we can't. What about the 5 other teams ahead of us and who are slowly pulling away, or the teams that are closing up behind us. Currently 7th, but where will we be at seasons end 8th, 9th or worse!.
As they say, its always darkest before the dawn.
Thankfully a trophy and another possible!.
I feel sorry for gerrard , and I think at this stage of his career he should be protected and given the freedom to attack only and not have to carry the whole team ,he shouldn't be expected to be box to box anymore just let him have a free role up top like zidane had ,I'm sure if he was to play as a second striker or att mid we would not only see him score and create more goal but may even prolong his career as he won't have the demands of a central midfielder in tracking back and tackling
Thanks
Jeff
12 Mar 2012 17:25:13
I think all the fans who want Kenny out need to take a back seat for a while and vent at the end of the season No one in their right mind would of expected us to play fantastic every match and win the league, a cup or even 4th place...We got a cup so its a start im sure Kenny and the owners will have a crisis meeting soon or when the season ends and go from there...There are issues that only the players can fix (scoring goals) Kenny probably has the best people training the lads but it is up to them to score and im sure kenny is trying his very best to fix the problem...We have played some great football where we dominated the match but sadly with no end product and then on the other hand we play poorly, Our finishing is far far below average ...Lfc is a work in progress and needs support, If your child played for a team and had a bad season would you turn your back on them and give them abuse...I certainly wouldnt...Try your best to keep the faith (i know its hard) and Support LFC.
MJ
Y.N.W.A
When us the fans are paying £42-£48 a ticket and travel cost we have every right to voice our option.im sorry but spending 100m and not finishing in the top four isn't good enough,even a fan could have bought better
Wow 2 disagrees already Im Feelin The Love and Support for LFC guys...Go support City or United you Pathetic excuse for fans
MJ
City have spent over 500+million and still rising and only after 3-4 years are round the top 4 so to the "when us fans" stop moaning and support the team its your choice to buy the ticket if your not happy then dont
Bitchingfansp!ssmeoff
So you voice your option on a Liverpool rumours website that will do your concerns loads mate (SARCASM) why not write to lfc because Lfc have more important things than read every rumour/banter site for moaning fans
MJ
Go and support another club-Dis intellectual garbage
So, they're poor excuse for fans because they disagreed with you? Give it a rest will ya. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Frank & Beans
12 Mar 2012 17:23:50
Quotes from john w henry ( anything less than fourth spot would be a disappontment)
Kenny daglish (I'm aiming for higher than 4th spot )
This mabye could and should cost kenny his job , these comments came at the start of the season ,
Thanks jeff
So if you do crap in your job mate maybe you should get fired
Well, may be thats a long time ago. There can be many lame excuses for us not achieving that. Search this site and you'd get many. Even saying tht I believe, it was very hard to achieve but things could have been done more better for us. May be it wasn't our season at all. Hope, w'd be back. YNWA
I am very pleased to and proud to have been chosen as manager of Liverpool FC, a club of such potential. It is my opinion that Liverpool have a crowd of followers which rank with the greatest in the game. They deserve success and I hope, in my own small way, I am able to do something towards to help them achieve it. I make no promises except that from the moment I take over I shall put everything into the job I so willingly undertake ???
If I was crap at my job I would be sacked , boss wouldn't say he's crap but I'll keep him cos he's a nice lad ,if u fail in ur job by spending slot of money on bad players and realistically we should have gotten fourth cos arsenal and chelsea are average at best so with the money we've spent mabye u agree that kenny has failed to deliver ,mate
Jeff
12 Mar 2012 17:07:47
I see kenny fans r out today and true LFC fans r in minority..
If kenny fans r to belived 30 league goals is progress..27 points behind top with 11 games to go is progress..for them carling cup is holy grail..let's get relegated like brum eh..
For them henderson=xavi
Downing=messi
Adam=iniesta
Carrol=van basten
Enrique=roberto carlos
Just because they are kennys buys..
Oh and lastly suarez=mahatma gandhi..
Oh we have been unlucky whole season?
Just accept black as black..
Red indian
Ps-kenny for england...
Kenny fans ? The Rafa camp ?
Lol. What is this ?
We support Liverpool FC mate.
Try it sometime.
The Real KB
A lot of sarcasm tinged with a little truth
So a true fan slates the team and gives them no support in times of trouble...
So I take it that as long as Kenny is at the helm, and we are so bad, you won't be watching any of our matches, right? Promise me you won't watch, even we progress in the FA cup, ok? Singred
As far as I am aware mahatma gandhi loved all mankind and was never done for racial abuse unlike suarez
I genuinely can't believe you can criticise fans for backing our manager, get a grip.
Stu.
12 Mar 2012 16:56:38
Just a quick easy post,to say that no,we are not going backwards,in order to go backwards,we have to have been in front,7th in league then 6th. We might not be going forward as quickly as we like,but to me it doesn't seem like we are going backwards,just staying still! WelshBoyDave
120M on new players to stand still
Who was giving the advice - Greece
The problem is the club have spent big with no improvement in the league on last year and after all the investment we really shouldnt be staying still or going backwards but making progress up the league.
ted
...stand still...greece!!
Rudi
12 Mar 2012 16:51:40
I just have a feeling that if we lose against Everton tomorrow, Kenny could be in big trouble....
(god I hope we get hammered)
You sure you're a Liverpool fan?
Alex
Wat sort of a muppet liverpool fan are u!
fagan81
And the 3 who agreed find another sport or team as u dont love the pool
This kind of people dont deserve to be fans...just go and pretend to support some other club.
For u ppl just proving ur point is the most important thing, no matter what the cost..cant believe it..at this point of time i hate u more than the mancs...at least they don't pretend to love LFC
Pankaj
U hope we get hammered?
12 Mar 2012 16:14:10
Not a rumour pure fact kk will take Liverpool FC back to its glory days, if u can't support the team or the manager go and buy a city top ynwa
Whose your source?
You must have a crystal ball?? Kenny is taking liverpool nowhere.have you been watching the games this season kennys team is a complete joke.cant see a win 2morow Liverpool 0 Everton 2.
12 Mar 2012 16:05:52
Just out of interest, in the last 10/12 years, how many times have we seriously been involved in the title race?
I've counted once, when we finished second in the league.
If that is the case then it is pretty p*ss poor, but I may have forgotten some of the others...
Adam
Twice - because we were challenging under Houllier one year as well and finished 2nd
Twice, under houllier we finished runner up to arsenal
Nevada
Okay, twice we were actually challenging for the title in the last 10/12 years.
For a club as big as Liverpool that is terrible.
Adam
This stat only goes to prove how big a job it is to rebuild a squad capable of challenging when all the top clubs have continued to invest over the past 5-10 years. Kenny has a massive job on his hands and our job is to be patient and support the man. ( Only a net investment of £32M so far -how close would that take us to equalling what's been invested in the clubs we are competing with for Top 4 ? ) You are all entitled to be disappointed with where we are but at least be realistic and support your club.
Derry Red.
12 Mar 2012 16:01:08
Give the young players a chance to show what they can do, if only in short cameo roles. Nothing to lose in the league now. It will give the first team players some competition too. Sterling is one player I would like to see unleashed on opposition defences. L19 Red.
FFS Sterling is only just 17 and needs at least another year before getting senior game time. When people say Oxlade Chamberlain is getting his chance they seem to forget he's 18 months older and way more developed. Gerrard says he wasn't ready for the first team when he was 18 so don't put pressure on the youngsters too soon.
Im sorry but that is a load of tripe!
We lack wingers/goalscorers, sterling looks dangerous and how will you know somebody is ready without trying them out. What do we have to loose? It's not like we are scoring with the current lineups and most
Of the youth we have put forward so far has looked promising.
Kelly
Robinson
Spearing
Flannigan
Coady
Try him out I say.
12 Mar 2012 15:43:00
I was never in the Rafa camp, I could see flaws in his man management and tactics and was frustrated by those fans who thought he could do no wrong. However at least with Rafa it was debatable, thoughs against talked of Voronin, Zenden, degan. Thoughs for could list Riena, Agger, Torres, Masch and Alonso. Thoughs against could say negative tactics and politics cost us the league in 08/09. Thoughs for could say we were ranked number 1 in Europe and had reached 2 UCL finals in 3 years.
With Kenny however it is not debatable. Record spending has moved us backward. Despite what Kenny describes as progress (winning a competition won by Brum the year before) His brief was clear from financial and future rebuilding we needed to finish within the top 4. We had no distraction from Europa lg we could go all out for 4th. Arsenal and Chelsea had a terrible start and yet due to Kennys mind boggling transfers we are falling backwards. We will not finish as high as 8th.
Regardless of history or sentiment the damage Kenny has done deserves the sack,If we are to succeed we need to be more ruthless.
For all you fans you are trying to demonstrate progress
justify £35m club record fee for a forward who doesnt play or score £20m for a winger who has less impact than Riera, £16m for Henderson who if you check the stats has been worse than poor and of course £7m on Adam star at relegated Blackpool.
Sorry but there is no argument to be made other than who replaces the epic failure that has been KING KENNY
The answer is simple then mate. Don't go, sell your ticket. Don't switch on the tele or computer.
Or turn up tomorrow night and start a protest march up Walton Breck Road.
The Real KB
What damage has Kenny done to our team? Our team is much better than it was last year by a country mile.
The players he has bought are going to be here for a long time. Admittedly some of them need to pull their socks up, but they have proved themselves in the premier league, and there is no reason they can`t do that again. Ross
Do you suppose one reason why we're playing badly and losing games is because our players have to face hostile fans like you who love nothing than to groan and moan, when we should be spurring them on? Do you want our boys to put on the famous red shirt and play with pride for the fans or pray with pressure for fear of failure? Support the team or support the mancs. Singred
Well said, KB!
To each and every moaner and groaner - since we are so terrible, switch off the telly; stay away from the matches and the website for the rest of the season. Go watch your next fav manc or blue team instead. You'll have more fun! Singred
Ok real KB talk me through each signing and tell me how they could potentialy make us compete at the highest level, tell me was 4th not the most vital and urgent objective considering our financial standing? And has Kenny not been totally outpaced by the whole Suarez affair only inciting more problems rather than calming the storm. And since when has record transfer expenditure that has deliverd terrible Roy style league position been progress?
I support LFC love LFC but even I could see during the summer that the transfers were bizzare for a team with such lofty ambitions.
Mate, did you go to Wembley ?
I'm not having a pop if you never, but that feeling and experience is the goal.
Other than that, I go to enjoy myself. Have the crack, a laugh, have a sing and shout.
My time, trouble and money is not dependant on finishing f'in 4th, and watching CL on Sky for a few weeks a year. Yes, I take your point that our league position is a disappointment. But Kenny has a 3 year contract. Let the man get on with it, and enjoy the ride.
The Real KB
To the nameless OP:
Downing - England international, played well for Villa and Boro. Wanted by Rafa. Haven't reached the heights for LFC. Why? he admitted to facing pressure. But getting form back
Carroll - 22 uprising striker. Capped for England, scored against Arsenal and LFC. Yet to adjust to our system, but have shown in recent games to develop better understanding of our game
Enrique - solid left back with an eye for cross. Considered best left-back in the league
Henderson - England u21 captain. Most assists in Sunderland side. Twice voted young player of the year. short on confidence again due to pressure of playing for our club
Adam - midfield dynamo with Blackpool. fitness suspect but deadball specialist. Ferguson was quoted saying his freekicks
and corners alone was worth 10mil pounds
Suarez - need I say more?
Singred
England and Scotland internationals? England are totally 3rd rate Scotland worse than that and non of those players are even standout for their country.
And in response to KB yeah your a fan like me, Cup finals are great, but the way the modern game is (and I dislike the way the modern game has skewed the sport) we need top 4 to fulfill our long term ambitions.
At Wembley the performance was below dreadfull and Kenny has had more resources at his disposal to deliver a league position that is beyond woefull with WBA on our heels thats a disgrace.
KB do you remeber Kenny towards the end of his first reign he was slowly destroying the team and after success with mega spending Rovers he went on to be dire at Toon and Celtic.
Kenny is a legend but he is not bigger than the football club
TIME TO GO
12 Mar 2012 15:34:35
silly question i know but just got a hold of a season ticket holder members card as they can't go to tomorrow nights game, have only ever had paper based ticket before is it just a straight forward counter swipe system like the rail cards, first time ever to get derby match ticket .
cheers
m
You just stick it in the reader slot at the entrance gate.
In, out. But no shaking about.
Then do the hokey cokey hopefully after we beat the Toffees.
The Real KB
They zap the card at the gate
Ha ha dont wanna look stupid at the turnstiles? scan it. Just watch the guy in front of you and do what he does but you scan it
12 Mar 2012 15:26:25
Ladies & Gentleman,
Clearly we all have differing views on our season to date and future prospects.
Some say trophy, some say 4th place in the league.
Can I propose that we start an e-petition for a Parliamentary Debate something along the lines of "This House proposes that there should be a trophy / medal presented to each of the top four finishers in the Premier League".
In this way, we can all go on our Summer holidays content that success has been achieved and due recognition provided. Those clubs' Honours Boards and Trophy Cabinets may thus grow ever larger and more prestigious.
2008/09 Arsenal 4th Place Winners Medal (The Eddie The Eagle Copper Pi55pot).
All hail the Copper Pi55pot !!
The Real KB
I like it KB and I'm right with you. Too many people panicking in my opinion
I'd like to hear the opinions of Steve Parker, Johnson, Bob the red, Blaire Mayne, Irish rover and any other of the longer standing, more intelligent posters on the way things are going at the club
Chris in Tamworth
Think you,il find you have already won that.they call it the carling cup these days
trev the gooner
Me too Chris. And your good self.
Trev the gooner - I like it mate. Pity Birmingham took yours last season though.
I'd still award Arsenal the Peter Andre Flatter To Deceive Trophy every May though mate. Congrats again on retaining it.
The Real KB
Didnt you win it last year trev?...oooooh sorry my bad
Andy C
Last I heard RVP is very tempted with mancs offer. Take away his goals and see how your wonderful team crash! Singred
The real kb
il take that all day long kb apparently he still gets on very well with his ex,i can then bury my head in her chest and not have to listen to you.lol,its all good fun kb
trev the gooner
Kb
i was just thinking about that award would it not be more apt if it was called the kd flatter to decieve award lol
trev the gooner
Kb you send it to me first then il send it back to you,non of us can have any complaints then lol
trev the gooner
12 Mar 2012 15:25:43
For the get Kenny outers.
Are we playing better football? Yes
Are we unlucky not to score more often? Yes
Are we lacking firepower up front? Yes
If we got a bit more luck and someone to finish, we could be closer to second than 6th
Dublad
You are delusional, Nevermind luck, football is about puttin the ball in the net, we have 30 goals this season, only stoke, qpr, wigan and everton have less goals, kenny out and his shambles signings out aswell
Well we are not playin well, consistently. It's been a hit and a miss season for us. Wish that things would get better. YNWA
If I had the right numbers, I could win the lottery
Again you must be watching barca because 1 win out of the last 8 matches is not better football,this must be one of the poorest Liverpool sides put together, when I saw Adam,Henderson and spearing on the pitch together I turned off the TV and went shipping with the misses(that says it all)i have no faith in kenny sighnings at all
12 Mar 2012 15:22:57
I am really surprised at some of the comments on this site regarding the current management.
During the Benitez days we were craving attacking football and questioned why we were such a defensive team. Year after year we have watched whilst our rivals have lifted the Premier League trophy only wishing it could be us.
Yes we had a momentous achievement of lifting the European trophy once again but that was during a period of terrible league football.
Benitez was a master of European football and i tip my hat to him for that but that is where it stops.
He spent approximately £200 million and was still unable to bring us a title. Some great players came and went in that time and our squad was in a very poor position when he left.
In this current period we have also seen the emergence of Tottenham and Manchester City as a big force in the league. Join that to the likes of United, Chelsea and Arsenal and it shows how difficult it is to finish in the top 4.
In my opinion we are playing some of the best football for years under King Kenny & Steve Clarke. If we had a front line player like Torres (when his mind was on liverpool) or Owen or Fowler or Rush, playing with this current team and the 20+ strikes against the woodwork had gone in we would be talking about winning the league this year and not finishing in 6th or 7th.
Those chances have been created by a new look back 4, a brand new midfield (barring Gerrard ) and the wonderfully talented Suarez. The jury is most definitely still out on Carroll but i am prepared to give him a chance for the remainder of this season.
Lets get behind the team and the management for the remaining 11 games and see where we finish up. I am already excited for next season as i think with a couple of good additions we can really push for that title we all want.
I think we'll be under-rated next season due to our problem of not being able to finish games off - obviously providing we find a goalscorer. I agree that if we add quality/clever signings in the last third of the pitch we could do well.
This season is finished tho. If we manage to do the double... Who cares we're we finish in the league. Who looks back and sings about the amount of times we've finished in the champions league?
Shmickles
Fantastic post, wish you would have signed it off though.
DMT07
You're asking us to get behind the management team yet they don't seem to be able to see what we can.
Especially when it came to the Jan transfer window where we were all saying we badly needed a winger and a striker that could score.
Also, Carroll was just starting to show a bit of his old form and hasn't played since.
How is that good? Regardless of what people think of him he is a team asset that cost £35m. For F***s sake play him....not drop him to the bench at a time when it looked like he was coming good.
12 Mar 2012 15:16:11
People on here say Rafa had to settle for 2nds or 3rds when he signed players didn't Kenny have to settle for 2nds last summer? I might be wrong bit his two targets were Young and Jones - both choose Utd and we got henderson and downing.
Well, but Rafa didn't have had too much money available to shift his targets, but Kenny had that. He could've done much better. :(
To be fair it was Downing instead of Young and Coates instead of Jones - I'd be even more concerned if Hendo was meant as a centre half of the future (although it might explain him looking lost in midfield:-)
JimK
12 Mar 2012 15:09:48
C'mon mighty Reds , 40 points and probable safety is well within our grasp , let's earn that magical fortieth point to-morrow night against our bitter enemy !
Lol, now that's banter. Even I had to chuckle at that one.
The Real KB
12 Mar 2012 14:56:54
dear MIKEY
what have we got to be positive right now lets see
1. we sit some 30 odd points off top spot ina very positive 7th place two games away from being down the drop end and lose on tuesday and we get surpassed by the bluenoses.
2. carroll banging in the goals, adam brilliant pens,corners, freekicks, hendo amazing just amazing.
3. carling cup brilliant win give you that against a world class championship team that took us 120 mins plus pens to get past stiil its positive.
4. 26 goals in the league amongst the whole team.
5. the whole saurez saga positive
and so on i colud go on and on.
just because people see things differently to you and air their opinions on a banter site doesnt mean you have to start ridiculing them. we get it you are the only true liverpool supporter on here who knows exactly where it went all wrong.
YnWa 23
12 Mar 2012 14:49:37
How long is this going to go on? How long are we going to keep backing our under performing team and manager? Dont get me wrong, Kenny was a legend at this club and still is, for now. But we have got to face facts, We cant just keep going along with this horror show just because kenny dalglish is in charge.
We have won 1 league game in 2012, We have 2 wins in 11 league games, We have only scored 30 league goals this season, Only everton, stoke, QPR and wigan have scored less goals than us, This is relegation form that we are showing, Its not good enough and those of you who say stick with kenny are delusional, If it was any other manager in charge then there would be protests outside anfield until he was sacked.
You all know what im saying is true, I love kenny, but our club is going backwards, If we leave it any longer than we are just going to keep going backwards, Kenny just cant cut it anymore, He spent 35m on carroll, 6m on adam, 6m on coates, 16m on downing and 19m on henderson, That is the biggest expenditure ever by a liverpool team and it is the worst signings we have seen in a long time, the comoli/dalglish transfer policy just doesnt work, The manager should choose his transfer targets, not comoli, can you really see ferguson, mourinho, wenger, guardiola not choosing their own transfer targets?
Kenny was just put in this job because of his name, I hate to say it but he is like a puppet, When the whole suarez racial issue came out, did none of you feel embarrassed when kenny came out for his interview with his ''suarez t-shirt''on? it was cringe worthy, no other manager would do that.
Back to the signings, Downing had 0 goals, 0 assists, Adam, Henderson have been useless all season, Carroll couldnt kick snow off a rope and coates has rarley been used, but he was terrible the other day when he played, Our club needs drastic changer right now, Its the hard honest truth, I know alot of you will just jump down my throat and question my loyalty, But the club comes 1st, No man is bigger than our club, Kenny needs to retire and take all his bad signings with him, also get rid of suarez too if he wants out, i said when we signed him that he would be trouble, and he brought hsame on our club for making racist remarks to evra and he made a rude gesture to the leeds fans i think it was, but what do you expect from a player who actually bites another platyer when he was playing in holland, disgraceful.
kenny needs to go before his legendary status at anfield is ruined, I love this club more than i love kenny dalglish.
David.
Legend like kenny dalglish , player like kenny dalglish and personality like kenny dalglish make you love in Liverpool.
other wise you would love wolves or wigan.
'David' Great, Honest and truthful post, Most people are blinded by Dalglish's legendary staus and cant admit or see the absolute terrible position our club is in, Nobody is bigger than our club, If Dalglish loved Liverpool so much then he would step down. pb&j.
12 Mar 2012 14:43:42
Just giving a manager more time does not deliver success. Moyes has had ten years. And remeber Kenny was booted at Toon and Celtic for not being good enough. I love Kenny but he is not the man to do this task. Returning LFC to the top is now probably the most difficult club job in world football, massive expectation and limited resources. Kenny just doesnt have the know how,to think Adam or Henderson were the key missing pieces.
I dont know who can do the job but if anyone ever rebuilds us they should get a SAINTHOOD.
I know that I'll get slagged for this but I think that Chris Hughton is the most underrated manager in England - give him the job and the time and he'll develop into a great manager.
Yes the context is a lot different than when Ferguson took over at United a quarter of a century ago. It is a much more competitive environment.
The underperformance combined with lower revenue creates a negative feedback loop. Thus no manager is going to be given 6 years, like Fergie, to come good. It will be 1-2 years tops.
Fderguson finished 2nd in his first full season at united comparitive success compared to our standards
12 Mar 2012 14:42:24
In my opinion we MUST stop being nice as a club , enough is enough.. the club has made too many stupid decisions with transfers , managers and also the out of line racial scandal , this is not a rumor nor is it that i'm asking the ed's if we are buying a top player which aint going to happen i just want to post to fellow fans and say we cant be naive anymore , ye i was happy to about kenny coming back but come on seriously we are in 7th place , that's disgraceful .. dalglish should resign and comolli should be sacked immediately with those over price average signings , they all suck in my eyes all of them except bellamy and what if we didn't sign him on deadline day... it would have been a catastrophe , i say we ship out all the flops , get rid of suarez . i love kenny but we must look for the future so he must leave the position and than and only than we will see improvements , ill be wondering if the owners would spend another fortune on players or maybe who knows maybe they start selling and we could finally be getting an oil rich/abrahmovic billionare style owner after all we are LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB !! Y N W A
12 Mar 2012 14:38:28
First and foremost,
I have tremendous respect for the amount of nonsense you editors put up with. It is quite ludicrous.
Now the question! With how instrumental Suarez was in getting Coates to the club would you expect his position to be strained should Suarez leave?
Not so much because we wouldn't want to keep him but because he may not want to stick around.
Just curious as to your opinion.
YNWA from Texas {Ed002's Note - I have no idea but obviously Coates is taking time to settle and learn the language.}
12 Mar 2012 14:09:06
Lots of people defending Kenny on here, with good reason. He has been an almost lifelong servant to this club and fans and deserves our respect for all he has done. However, football is not a game of sentimentality. If things are not going right then the manager has to be held accountable for it.
People will point to the time Fergie was given way back in 1986, there are some things wrong with this argument.
1. Utd were a bum team at the time which rarely challenged for any honours so there was no pressure on him to instantly succeed. You watch when he retires the new manager will be expected to succeed straight away as a result of their previous success.
2. That was 1986! before Media attention and speculation, before money was a factor in the game. IF he did that now do you think they would keep him as manager? Course not, he would be gone in a year.
For the record I am not a Kenny Out type of fan. I posted not to long ago that any manager should be given 3 years to fix this club because thats a realistic time span to fix the issues which were here. I do expect though that in that time progress should be made, if we finish the same or lower in the league that will be a goal failed, and the expectation of "just doing better than last year" is a ridiculously easy goal to fulfill.
Kennys tactics are not wrong, our style is fine. Its motivation thats an issue, Sunderland wasnt the first time we havent looked motivated for a game, its happened a few times since the start of season. This problem needs fixing straight away.
His signings have not worked out well but with the exception of Adam and Carroll everybody expected our other signings to slot straight in and play well so its not as if Kenny expected something noone else did. Maybe a bit more control over signings should be given to Commoli as (for me) his proposed signings always seemed a little better and more like what we needed.
Also those of you who are betting people (or even if youre not) my tip for Everton...back the draw. You will get 3-1 odds at any bookie and based on our season results at home against lower placed teams this is a very sensible bet. I have been backing home draws against lower opposition all season and so far am £280 up. It will lessen the pain of the result... a little.
Nevada
12 Mar 2012 14:01:03
The one thing i cant get out of my mind while trying to put my finger on the problems were having is when has a team ever done anything when someone like Commolli is running half the ship?,
I just dont see what good it can possibly do when it comes to transfers,
Im a bit lost with it but in my mind if a manager signs players who he thinks are good enough then it turns out they are not or they are underperforming then he has to be the one to carry the can....But......
What if Commolli has had more to do with the signings than anyone else due to so called opta stats etc?...does he then stay and expect another manager to work with him?,
I cant see how it can ever work out for the best, Too many chemicals spoiling the mix if you ask me........
12 Mar 2012 13:53:33
I cannot believe what I see on here some times so much so it makes me wonder if it's kids messing around or a new bred of Fifa 12 fans who think by pressing a button everything changes instantly for the better.
As any of you know who read these pages, I stand firmly and squarely in the corner of Kenny Dalglish. Yes I agree current RESULTS, yes RESULTS are poor but again I will state overall performances are better. This club of ours was in a mess when he took over again last year. Caused by years of mis-management from the board, previous managers and the H&G.
If you recall we were not that far from going bust, just think about that and what it means, no more LFC, ever! Then along came M Broughton and a revised board and changed our future by securing new owners. Who incidently have taken some stick on here as well, why? god only knows, maybe because they are not arab with untold wealth? who knows.
Whilst I love Rafa for the memories he gave us can anyone really say our style of football was pleasing on the eye? It certainly wasn't Valancia standard and I saw them play us off the park twice at Anfield when he was their manager.
The clamour for bringing Rafa back certainly is surprising, given the style of football we played during his last 18 months in charge. Please don't add here it was the yanks fault as he still had players like Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Mash, Torres, Carra and Stevie at his diposal. No, for me Rafa decided to fight the owners (as he had done at previous clubs) and lost sight of the one thing he should have been doing, the players and the team. Also, for all of you moaning about kenny buying british players, Gareth Barry? wasn't that the beginning of the end of Xabi at Anfield??
We fell behind the likes of the Mancs and arsenal because of our instability, we fell behind the likes of chelski and citeh because on money, simple as that. Spurs, I feel is a bit of both, they have been reasonably stable over the last 3/4 years and they have spent a fair amount of cash.
So effectively we are playing catch up once again only this time the "locals" are restless quicker than they have been. Think long and hard red fans, sacking Kenny now, what will it achieve, a shot in the arm? who knows. Who understands our club better than him? who understands us better than him? for me no one, and I include Rafa in that.
I have said before sacking managers when you want/feel like will not help. Giving him time and support will. This journey I fear will be a long one with many highs and (hopefully) few lows but long nevertheless.
I also see the call for the youngsters to be thrown in, because, and I quote here, Adam, Downing, Henderson are all rubbish. Given that these are relatively experienced players struggling to adapt, what chance would the kids have when these fickle fans turn on them? none.
The "magical return" to winning league titles and CL is simply not going to happen overnight given what has gone on over the last few years. Yes it HURTS like hell, simply because we have seen so many wonderful things in our times as fans of LFC. But a return to past glories will take time, something some of you seem incapable of giving Kenny Dalglish.....-TMac
Here here, fully agree, am dissapointed with results but completely behing Kenny. He know's what he wants to do, he isn't perfect and doesn't pretend to be, he will make mistakes, as will any manager we would have to replace him with, I would rather give him the time than give the next manager time because it doesn't work straight away, or the one after that because we haven't won EPL in 1 year, because it will happen like that. We demand success lately instead of wait for it. Work for it. Hope for it. We have no right to demand anything, we need to regroup and put the effort into it to get back where we were. I would rather have the squad, accademy and staff in place so when we get there, we stay there, instead of buy our way there, buy mercenaries who are happy to play for us for 1-2 years then move on so always rebuilding. Kenny is giving us stability and with this will come bad results in the present, but in the future it will give us all what we are craving, hoping, wishing, demanding, dying for. . . . success. I know we have been saying for years that we need patience, and it's frustrating that we are still being told this, but we have been saying it since our last league title, and who delivered that? Kenny Dalglish. So yes, I believe we should have patience with him, he is not here for the money, he is not here to make a name for himself, he is not here for the challenge. He is here, as he was during our darkest times as a club, for the fans and for the club.
After he delivered in the second half of last season, brought back belief, brought back discipline, and brought back smiles to both the fans and the players faces, after he done all of this he was rewarded with a permanent contract, when he received this he knew what he wanted to accomplish in that time and how to go about it, He was given 3 years to do this, not 6 months. I am happy to give someone that bleeds Liverpool Red that amount of time instead of giving 6 foreigners 6 months each, even if they have won leagues doesn't mean anything, noone can guarantee that because so and so won a league with this team, he will win a league with our team whereas there is a guarantee that every dropped point hurts Kenny as much as it does us so he will want to rectify this as soon as possible.
My opinion anyway.
YNWA, JFT96
WelshScouse
Two of the best posts on here for along time
Mickleburg
Wow just great. Both of you. Bravo
12 Mar 2012 13:39:43
Any chances of signing Scott Sinclair? And giving any youngsters like flanagan, robinson, suso a go?
12 Mar 2012 13:32:22
Will there be a riot if we do not beat the bitters tomorrow? Singred
Well, I believe there won't be. Becaus hope, we'e be getting it done nicely. plz, no draw or loss. We need to win this 1. YNWA
12 Mar 2012 13:18:18
I feel that Kenny's future purchases must be from teams that play at a higher level than Liverpool. To date he has purchased players from Blackpool, Sunderland, Newcastle, Villa etc. We need to be purchasing from Madrid, Barca, Bayern etc. Teams with a known pedigree who perform at the top end of the Champions League. Unfortunately our league form shows that we bought from mid to bottom of the table teams.
I think that Kenny's judgement of players is lacking. You need a new manager as he is not up to the job and his public relations leaves a lot to be desired.
Jock
The team the player comes from is of no issue it just has to be the right kind of player i.e. someone with a quick brain and technical ability is what we need, or a monster in front of goal
12 Mar 2012 13:14:31
i remember everyone having a go at me for complaining about the waste of money spent on those british talents, i was told to wait to the end of the season before saying anything. Anyway i thought i should comment now because our season has just ended, will anyone admit i was right like most fans who didn't have rose tinted glasses on , that our signings were absolute atrocious waste of money?RedTurk
It's always good to see you pop up for a good moan RedTurk...You feel our season has ended? We're in the quarter finals of the F.A Cup and I'll be supporting our team till the end, the season doesn't end on the 12th of March.
Alex
Give up redturk. No one likes the prophet of doom, even if he was right all along. No doubt it will be the fault of posters like us didn't rate them that they haven't worked out and hurt their feelings on forums or some pathetic excuse like that.
Ash
It's nice that your back when we are not winning Redturk.
KT!
U have been spot on all the time redturk, same goes for Ash. What people dont realise is we r being realistic, not optimistic.
Indian Buzzer
No doubt about it you were 100% correct. It is frightening that the powers that be at the club sanctioned alot of those deals when anyone with half a brain would say "wait ADAM and Henderson" to get top 4 joke.
Kenny needs to take the flak
I can agree with you in places Red Turk. I dont think they were all bad buys, Enrique was an excellent buy, as was Suarez (though his conversion ratio is easily the worst in prem). I do feel that Henderson will become a good player given time (which I think we can afford him once Lucas is back) and that Carroll is a good player in the right system (though if we aren't going to play that system there is little point in keeping him).
So what is the solution to our problems, as you seem to be an expert? Ross
I still think your just a misery with nothing positive to say ever about the club you claim to support. We could do without the likes of you.
MIKEY
You're at least a week too early RedTurk.
Close the curtains and go back to bed mate. Set your alarm clock for 6pm next Sunday.
Sleep tight.
The Real KB
12 Mar 2012 13:12:05
Some thought provoking questions....
Where has Adam's "£10m corner kicks" gone? I'm sure we've had more corners than I can ever remember but the delivery (of all takers) has been atrocious...
Why can't we take penalties anymore?
Why does Adam hit the ball as hard as he possibly can? He has a good left foot... surely he can control his shot by now!
Why (on the few occasions) KD plays Downing and Carroll in the same team, does Downing not play on the left? I think he's only played 4-5 times there when Carroll started.
Is Bodgson back.... when was the last time one of our midfielders supported the forwards and got in the box? In fact when was the last time we had more than 1 person to aim a cross at?
Who runs down blind alleys more....Downing or Enrique?
These are just some things I've thought of whilst banging my head against the wall, any thoughts are appreciated....
Richards
I have a few more questions:
Why has the Anfield crowd gone so quiet - im on the waiting list for a season ticket and id be singing my heart out every game
Where are Stevie's shooting boots?
What's happened to Reina - he's not looked comfortable all season
Why every time we concede a corner do the opposition look like scoring or score. (Check the stats - we have conceded far too many goals from corners)
Why is Carroll not starting more games with support from Suarez and either Bellamy or Downing.
Why isn't the goal machine from last season Maxi not getting more game time.
Why are the players who are not making the team also not playing in the reserve games to keep their match fitness up.
But most importantly who is responsible for all these issues??
Answers on a postcard.
YNWA jns
Yeh pretty much agree with everything here, not sure wats goin on with adam, the fact that he isnt taking attacking free kicks when that was one of the main reasons we bought him is a major confidence issue, tho some of his corners are leathal but others a like pulling teeth.
downing and enrigue down the left.... hmmm its great to watch until they give the serice into the middle, both of their long ranged shots go into row 26 and downings crosses either hit no one or theres no one there to hit. its a shame because downing is such a great talent when on form, just havent seen enough of it.
i wouldnt go as far to say hodgson is back, but football can be won and lost on confidence and this is really hurting us atm.
any predictions for toffees?
aussiepool tristan
Just a side note on Reina, his issues this year arent new. He has had these problems for the last two years. I strongly feel its a lack of competition for his place has made him a little complacent.
Nevada
With regards to Bodgson... I will clarify; our midfielders don't get forward in support of Carroll/Suarez, I can't believe that's an instruction from the manager... all previous KD teams had midfielders who got into the box.
Wrt Gerrard, at first I thought it was injury as to why he wasn't shooting properly, and it could be, but he seems to be pulling everything wide at the moment.
Noticed that on corners too Jns, you can look at crucial goals like against City... unopposed headers in the box, is this because we man 2 man mark instead of Zonal?
The crowd thing bugs me... due to work and tickets Europe is the best chance I get unless we're playing in London, and support is usually good.... at times it's so silent, especially early kick offs, it's like we expect a goal to liven the crowd up.
Richards
Predictions for Everton....
Adam will run 30-40 yards with the ball from centre, no one tackles him, defenders close but Maxi/Suarez/Bellamy/Downing/Other are completely free on the left but he ignores them and hits it high wide and not very handsome...
honestly, I think I've seen that scenario 5 times this season. Not picking on Adam, maybe I expect a bit more from him though....
Richards
I agree with everything you've said Richards.
Im just unsure what the answer is all I know is its extremely frustrating.
I don't expect to win every game but just to be more consistent would be a start.
YNWA jns
I know Jns, I feel exactly the same... I can take the arsenal defeat as we tried, played well but I can't stand for lack of effort and energy... which was pretty much the whole team on Saturday! I have said all along I will give everyone a chance (at least a full season) but at the moment there has to be question marks about a number of individuals and certain decisions...
perhaps we should start with a consistent formation and line up?
Richards
12 Mar 2012 12:57:32
Hi all,
I have to say I am somewhat suprised to be reading about "the chances of the King going" or moving upstairs".
In my opinion their is no one who knows the club better and I would much rather give him the time he needs to turn things around (2/3 seasons) then give someone without the same knowledge of LFC the oppertunity.
Rafa was a great Liverpool Coach but we have "The King" back now, so whilst Rafe will always be with us, lets all get behind dalglish and show our support.
One trophy in the bag, another possbily on route and Europe next season. Our league position isnt the best but all the other clubs would love to have secured we have!.
Thanks for reading,
George
Hello George I see progress as you do as winning things so yes your right but also it's the manner of the performances and on a whole I don't think we have,in my opinion I see progress as when we play I used to think we would always win but now and in recent years I expect us to lose more than we win cheers pk
I disagree. While I dont think our season is disastrous it is poor. Only teams outside the top 4 would trade places with us. Wenger never cared about LEague cup thats why his reserve and youth team always start in it. Fergie is never disappointed at being knocked out of it hence why they hardly ever win it. City seem to take it seriously but do you really think they would trade with us? I dont.
Nevada
12 Mar 2012 12:56:52
In 1986, Alex Ferguson arrived from Aberdeen to replace Atkinson. For his first season as head coach, United finished 11th,did they sack him did they give him no more money to spend i dont think so .What gives us liverpool supporters the god givin right to think we are that good that we shouldbe in the top 4 every team in the league has bought players and got better the top 4 as it stands has more experience than most of our players give them time look at man city even they are missing that experience at this stage of the season so for our fans that have not got patience after one year calling for kenny to be sacked get real rafa back dont make me laugh he had 6 years and done FU-K all did he deliver the league no iam just say use are playing into the media and manc hands by calling for kenny out suarez out use sound like paddy mc guinness one out all out
i belive liverpool till i die
Do supporters want our club to run like Chelsea, where there is a constant revolving door with managers, there has to be consistency? I agree with people that there are issues with the team; we are lacking pace and creativity. And we are not scoring enough goals. And I am sure these issues will be addressed in the summer. Rome was not built in a day. Ross {Ed002's Note - Why does there have to be consistency? Chelsea have done very well with a policy of chnaging the manager when it is not going well. As have Real Madrid, the Milan clubs etc.. Nobody wants Dalglish to lose his job but at the end of the season if the existing set-up is not achieving the expected results then changes have to be made.}
Thats an excellent point ED002 (as always). Why does there need to be consistency? Look at the most successful teams of the last 10 years, there is only Arsenal and Utd with consistency.
Madrid, Barca, both Milan teams, Juve, Chelsea, Munich, all have had at least 2 managers in that time but most have had a new manager every 2 years. Hasnt hurt them has it?
Ed002,
So to clarify, a management team have one season to achieve the owner's goals ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - Did I say that? No.}
Actually yes KB. The management team has one season to achieve the owners first season goals. It's pretty simple really.
Ash
Ed002,
So what would you say was a fair period then ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - It is not driven by period KB, it is driven by whether or not things are going as planned, whether results are acceptable, whether everyone is satisfied, whether there is improvement, whether confidence is high for the future, etc.. You can compound this with expectations of winning cups, qualifying for the champions league, whether sponsors are happy, whether the perception of the club is good in the public eye and no doubt much more. From an owner's perspective all of this adds up to a warm feeling of whether or not all is well and whether targets (be they short, medium or long term targets) are likely to be achieved. There is no exact science which says "we need to have won 50% or games after 12 months or we will change the manager". It has been a bad year for Liverpool there is no doubting that. Results have not been as good as expected. Players have not performed as well as the management would have hoped - regardless of the brave public face shown by Dalglish. I would never accuse Suarez of being a racist, but at the very least he has been a complete jerk and put the owners in more than one very difficult situation. Matters will need to be resolved at the end of the season.}
I agree with you Ed, Football is all about results, and there is very little room for sentiment, as it is a multi-million pound business and the owners expect us to get back into the champions league as do the fans, but there has to a little bit of common sense and realise that this does take time.
Personally I don`t think it has been beneficial for a lot of the clubs you have mentioned, as they have hardly won very much in the last couple of years.
And if we do sack Kenny who are we going to get to replace him that will improve the team. Ross {Ed002's Note - Well if you are only looking in two year windows it is hopeless I am afraid Ross. If you look at the last four years, Inter has had four managers won two Italian leagues, two Italian cups, two Italian Supercups, one club World Cup and one Champions League. AC Milan have had three managers won their domestic league. Chelsea have won the FA Cup a couple of times and the Premier League with four managers in that period. The bottom line will always be that if results are not up to scratch and the club is not moving in the right directions, only the weakest of owners would not look to fixing it by changing managers.}
But, as you say Ed with the consistency. All those clubs are backed financially better than Liverpool at the moment because of their Champions League participation. If Liverpool were to throw out the consistency image they have with manager's - do they have that kind of money to throw it away on a manager (s) season after season if things aren't going too good? Sacking a manger and hiring another costs a lot and if that manager is under contract with another club you're talking more money again.
I really do feel that kenny is feeling the pressure and it's telling in the players displays on the pitch. Last year when there was no pressure on him or the players we attacked in numbers and played nice free flowing football. This season, although we have at times played good football - it's just not the same as last season because of the pressure to get top 4. He's already cracking IMO and that pains me to say and obviously it's rubbing off on the players. {Ed002's Note - I agree it costs a reasonable amount to change managers but if the target is Champions League football do you take that chance or not - the income would certainly be more than the cost of changing manager. And with Super Stevie Nicol out of a job right now perhaps it could be done on the cheap? Just kidding.}
Ash / Ed002,
This is interesting stuff.
On the counter balance against that, you could point out that Man Utd, Arsenal, Stoke City, Liverpool of the past, and many others operated from the standpoint of 'get the right man in, and let him manage'.
The manager was the constant, the players the variable. The model you praise is the opposite of that. Or, at least, the manager / coach is as much a variable as the players.
Btw, I partly agree with your assessment of Liverpool's season though there are positives as well.
The Real KB
{Ed002's Note - I just see the manager or coach as a nother employee of the club KB. However nice it may be to have consistency, football at the "higher" end is pretty big business and performance comes ahead of sentiment if you want success.}
Ash,
I meant to ask, would you give your manager a 1 year contract ?
To be possibly renewed thereafter ?
The Real KB
I can accept that ed002. But your previous points on how a season feels, are still quite arbitary and subjective.
Why award managers 3,4,5 year contracts ?
Then sack the guy and have to pay up his contract. Is that not in itself rewarding failure ?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - I am not so sure I understand your point about "how a season feels" and I rather doubt I would be arbitary or subjective. I am assuming you didn't mean any of that and were simply having some sort of senior moment. Manager's typically will get two to four year contracts and more often or not there are exit clauses written in to those contracts. You seem to be more concerned about not wasting money on sacking managers than you are in success. Perhaps it is sentiment, but if there is a bad part of the apple you dig it out and discard it. I don't see the problem at all. Ideally we would all mlike to see the folks we like running clubs but if bad decisions have been taken to put those people in place (e.g. AVB and Scolari at Chelsea) then it is better to correct that error to try and recover the situation than to sit and accept things turning sour.}
No, I would give them a minimum of a 2 year deal, but that would be more to tie a manager to his post if things are going well. Like it or not, when things don't go to plan, changes have to be made. And this season, things have not gone to plan. I suspect there was a conversation when Kenny became manager about what he could achieve over the next 18 months with x-amount of financial backing. If this is not achieved, then your position will be under threat. I have a 1 year contract at work, but if I don't hit quarterly targets, I will fear for my job and football is no different.
Ash
Why does there have to be consistency? Having 8 different managers in as many years is a good thing? Am I reading this right? Trying to justify that "policy" by saying Chelsea have won a few titles doesn't quite work either, because the majority of that silverware came from one man! Since then the ever revolving door of new managers has not improved on what was built in 2005-07. They are no better off than they were before Mourinho. There are few top coaches left who'd want to work under Abramovich. Trigger happy owners are never going to build long term success, and if FSG are thinking along those lines then I'd be disappointed. Fortunately I think they have more sense...
Ed002,
Lol. Your words above were "warm feeling".
However, is it not the Owner / s themselves who are at fault if their selected managers need to be replaced every year or two ?
I don't ever want to the see the situation of rotating doors of the manager's office at Liverpool. It may be sentiment, I concede that. But I am used to that as the LFC Way. I know that is a bit of a paraphrased term, but I want my club to do things in a certain way. I have never shouted down for a manager to go (maybe except RH). I did not want Rafa to go, to be truthful. To me, the Liverpool boss is sacrosanct, it's like appointing a Pope or a President. The chosen man gets the job, until his term expires. Except in extremis. And this is not extremis.
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - In terms of ultimate responsibility it has to be the owner picking up the tab - you are right.}
12 Mar 2012 12:48:28
Very speculative question, but, IF Kenny were to leave would the summer transfer targets change with the new manger or would they stay the same because of Comolli? Cheers
ToonRed
Surely comolli is an up market scout, his opinions must be just that, cant see him bringing in anyone without the managers say, i mean comolli might want a certain player but he might not fit into the bosses plans.
wats ur thoughts on this toonred? im really hoping kenny stays, but bad results always bring up unwanted questions.
aussiepool tristan
Its well known that Commolli's targets were different to Kennys. Commolie wanted Payet, Sow, Sissoko. Who knows how they would have worked out but I think Sissoko wouldve been an astute buy.
12 Mar 2012 12:39:03
Well just a thought who would be a better rw buy
luuk de jong,marko marin or matt philips?
Well a 12 - 15 mil bid may be enough to buy any 1 of these 3 personally i think marin would be a good buy.what your thoughts
mihir
Remy. Can play anywhere up front and has the missing spark we need. Luuk de jong if i must pick from those, but id say hes more of a striker in my eyes
Dries Mertens.
12 Mar 2012 12:34:45
I think we should sell everyone over 25 then rebuild our team around carrol and bring in our youth players, it may take a few years to work but i think it will be worth it.
Xcuse me unnamed poster, we need to bulid a squad which can challenge for the bpl title, not the npower championship.
Indian Buzzer
Build, Indian Buzzer ?
You mean over a period of time ?
Or a pre-fabricated pop-up build that is completed super-fast ?
The Real KB
There is no point building KB when your foundations are made of sponge.
Ash
Look 'The Real KB', im not asking u to believe me. But carrol is c**p n everyone knows it. Chelsea shud build their squad around around torres, n we shud do the same with carrol. Lets see who wins the npower championship.
Indian Buzzer
12 Mar 2012 12:29:51
Are people for real??? Do you really want Kenny out?? The word here is progress,which we have made in abundance. Granted our recent league form hasnt been fantastic but we will probably finish same as last season in league (roughly) won a cup and doing it in the FA cup. We have been unlucky in certain games but the team spirit is fantastic. Give Kenny another year and get behind him instead of talking about whether moanrinho will come. Kenny has had alot to deal with off field this year and he has kept the team together. I for one do not want anyone else in charge of that side. This time next year when we looking likely top 4 all you Talksport annoying call collymore morons will be saying how much you love him and you always supported him. Get a grip!!
You are deluded! Kenny has broken the club record in expenditure and there is a good chance we will finish lower than 8th. C Adam, S Downing and J Henderson the future of our club? Kenny is a hero but that cant shield him from the fact he has create more problems while solving non.
Time to go
Is this season not progress from last. Where you shouting kenny out at wembley!!
He has made progress in the cups ( but thats a bit of a lottery to be honest) but in the league none has been made. Exact same points last year at this stage only with a worse goals scored
The league is our bread and butter that is the benchmark. And I was humiliated by the performance at Wembley we were shocking.
....but we won a trophy!! were you then disapointed at the final whistle?
Sorry. Many fans I am sure were ambivalent about Kenny returning, but were more than happy to give the benefit of the doubt, because he is Kenny.
But in general, going back to the past does not work. It did not work for Everton with Kendall, and it has not worked with us and Kenny.
Telling people to get a grip, or go support some other club, will not change reality.
The game has moved on. You need gifted players with touch, who can think and play at speed. These players tend to be from the continent or S. America.
"Buying British" does not cut it any more. It worked for Kenny and Ferguson twenty years ago; those days are gone.
12 Mar 2012 12:22:20
Hi Ed's.
I know we wont be getting Mourinho but there seems to be quite a strong reason why he wont come to Liveprool. Apart from not feeding him with unlimited transfer funds and not having champions elague football next year, what are the other reasons?
Thanks
Sam Adzii JFT96 {Ed002's Note - It is not a subject we are interested in discussing.}
Maybe the fact he only goes to decent teams?
12 Mar 2012 12:19:21
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12 Mar 2012 12:18:01
I was at the game on Saturday and believe you me Henderson and Adam were total garbage and then we brought Carroll and Downing on! Said it before and say it again - KK you have wasted lots of money on very, very average players.
12 Mar 2012 12:06:13
Just been watching the lfc vs arsenal cam tunnel video on youtube,after the game gerrard,Enrique and Henderson are smiling,they dont give a s**t if they lose.
Link please. {Ed002's Note - Surely you are bright enough to figure out how to find something in YouTube? Try searching on: liverpool arsenal cam tunnel video.}
The three of them should be hung drawn and quartered. How dare they smile after a defeat.They should be crying like J Terry and Gazza did.In fact after every defeat,The players should be put in stocks, outside the ground and fans should be able to throw old fruit and veg, at them.Better still they should have a chump of the match, and he should be put against a wall and then shot.Grow up you muppet.
Woodi Lietoyeh
12 Mar 2012 11:58:41
I expect Suarex and Dalglish to be gone in the Summer.
Suarez is clearly unhappy and to be honest, all the indications are that LFC owners are annoyed at his behaviour.
Also - persistent rumours that the owners are disappointed with Dalglish's performance and his spending in the market. The Cup win just papers over the cracks.
I would expect a managerial change in the summer
12 Mar 2012 11:54:16
hi Eds, no need to sell jhonson, buy a positive striker like huntler,or soldado. and a creative half like thomas muller who also play as a striker. red brigade from kolkata.
12 Mar 2012 11:52:54
Say Kenny & Suarez go, does this mean we won't be looking at British talent as much, depending on the new manager?
12 Mar 2012 11:43:05
I look at the king kenny leaving debate a bit different because at the end of the day it's all about opinions and I respect that,like most clubs we have three types of fan the 1st is the die hard who won't listen or see logic or criticism of there beloved club, the 2nd is the realist or optimist who can see and accept what we are and lastly the 3rd who are the knee jerkers or motd fever who change opinions after every game and so on,well I like all here I hope love Liverpool and want us to win fall into the 2nd fan I can see were not going to get into top 4 with the team we have or the tactics we are using at the minute and something has to change, I might get shot down for this but I think king kenny is fan number 1 the die hard who won't listen to reason or opinions and that's what's hurting us at present,when he came that die hard was great it gave us the energy bug know the energy has gone and kenny needs to take a step back and look at the squad admit his mistakes and move on,if he can't then he should go because I think he is slowly doing the opposite of what he wants he's hurting us with his devotion of lfc e.g the handling of the Suarez chase cheers Pk
Well u r rite for most of the statement. We must accept and Kenny must accept it, too. Its hurting where we stand atm. and number of goals we've score all season and lack of any winning mentality and consistency is taking us nowhere, atm. Hope, it would change soon. Best wishes for LFC family. YNWA
12 Mar 2012 11:21:11
A question for ED's,you guys have mentioned many times that we are building a team for future,which means its going to take time before we have a solid squad and compete on high on every competition,and that's the view of the owners,however if that is the case then whythe owners and manager keep on telling fans that cl is minimum requirement?
If its WIP,than don't raise the expectations high,if the owners wanted cl football,and KD has gone and bought players for future both of these don't go along,as the some of the players he bought(everyone knows who they are)are simply not good,
So if owners want cl football,you gibve them carling cup and maybe 7th place finish,are owners happy??????
BRING BACK RAFA BENITEZ.....!!
{Ed002's Note - The remit of Dalglish was to get in to the top four with the financial support the owners were giving last year. That is not going to happen and there has been a bunch of other stuff to deal with. There needs at the very least to be a regrouping at the end of the season. We will see what happens.}
At last Ed. I have been saying this all season that top 4 was the requirement this year. No top 4 means his job will be under review.
Ash
Perhaps we should get an "independant coaching analyst " in to see what Kenny is doing wrong ?
Lol.
Give me a trophy anyday over a4th place finish ?
Apart from the money, what does it mean ?
You could finish 40 x points behind the league champions and get fourth. What the f does that mean !?
Trophy / European qualification already attined. I'd say that was a little, teeny, tiny bit of progress myself..
The Real KB
Yes yes yes someone talking sense. Trophy everyday over top 4 without a doubt!!
12 mar 2012 11:16:12
i will be accused of being negative but there is no way we will compete with everton! we will be lucky to get a draw but will more likely be beaten.
signed off
sad red
We will at least draw this game, as sadly the guys will be up for this one! I'm going for a 2-1 win.
Keith
I believe we'd win this one. and hope, I m rite. YNWA
If the players are up for the Derby, then they should be up for every game they play in a Liverpool jersey. If a player can't give 100% in every game he plays, then they should seriously consider playing elsewhere. Money is now the main motivation in this sport that has been ruined over the last 20 years. Being the best is only a mere second.
12 Mar 2012 10:42:25
Ed...dont you think the owners will be very unhappy if we does not make CL...
I rememebr the owners said..it will be a massive loss if we dont make it...
and ed its a fact that this was the best chance for us to get into the CL..since chelsea nad arsenal were horrible in the begining...if we loose this time..its gonna be very difficult next season..since chelsea wil lbring big players next time...
Also ed if dont make into Cl..whom do u think the resposnible should be...we sacked Rafa for this reason...we sacked Roy for the same reason....
Harry redknapp took only one full season to take a 18th place spurs to a CL product..and i say very frank that they play the best football in EPL ...
Sometimes KK doesnt have any clues whats happening...I understand why he playe henderson everytime..coz he wanna justify his signings....
Whats ur thoughts and opinion...on our current condition and ur suggestion for the next season...?
{Ed002's Note - Yes the Champions League is most probably out of reach now and I am sure that the owners are unhappy about that.}
I think they made a mistake prioritising "cups and fourth spot". It should have been one or the other. There is a chinese saying that if you try to catch two rabbits you end up catching neither. (Unless you are barca!)
redkenyan
Ed002 is the only editor who looks at things in a realistic sense. Ed001 is a bit too optimistic concerning liverpool.
Indian Buzzer
I never thought I'd say it, but I think Ed 002 is the most realistic out of all. Sorry Ed 002 for you to be favourite with 'the boo boys!'
Ash {Ed002's Note - Ed002 Appreciation Society at tinyurl.com/7fbgecd}
How soon until your Appreciation Society is selling your used socks and *ahem* other items ed002 !?
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - I normally sell that stuff on eBay, but if you want me to put one aside for you KB I can.}
I don't think we are doing poorly in the league because we made a priority of the Cup. We are doing poorly because we are not that good (right now).
Put me down for your used truss ed002 please !
The Real KB {Ed002's Note - Sure - as long as you don't lick it.}
12 Mar 2012 10:32:54
What's the LFC fans predictions for the derby?
Everton in good form but poor away from Goodison Park, surely not another draw at Anfield ? What do you think?
I think, we can do this. Hoping for a win. YNWA
Morgans a finisher. But week as heak maxi is a finnisher, and strong. Your choice to get us the goals
12 Mar 2012 10:23:26
Jeez!
People on this site need to carm down!
The King and helped Liverpool massively without a doubt in my mind if we carried on with roy we wouldnt be sat here hoping of 4th or winning a cup this year we'd probably be fighting to survive!
The squad was designed by Rafa and he is the great tatical manager of his time, Dalgish is simply a different style possibly and better style but one thing is for sure, The owners are willing to splash the cash as and when they need to soo that will put a smile on my face
Unfortunatly it will take 4/5 years before we are the team everyone will try to beat, but i'm looking forward to this incredibly long story about the underdogs! (Liverpool)
Positivitly Red
Cheers
Kenny has taken this club backwards at warp speed
Beem me up Scotty
We don't really have 4/5 years. Time is a-wastin'
12 Mar 2012 10:22:56
Yesterday I posted a comment about Liverpool and although the replys were took in good vain, the ed seemed to get offended. It wasn't meant to b offensive I was simply stating that the home grown players KD has bought just haven't been performing at all. Somebody posted "how long did it take ferguson to win anything" the diff is KD has spent over £100 million, ferguson didn't. You guys really need a new manager cos Dalgleish is getting away with bad performances jus cos he's a legend at the club. Take £25-£30million for Suarez, hire Ancelotti or Laudrup and let them buy some decent players.
Big Mac
12 Mar 2012 10:21:17
Liverpool are finished,can't blame Suarez for leaving just look at the rubbish he has to play with every week,kk is to blame for Liverpools down fall.i can't see us beating Everton infact I can't see this team beating anyone.
Well, perhaps we need to be consistent and undoubtly, this is the worst season, in BPL, I have seen in past few years. We are lacking goals, every day and still every one is happy with the squad. Lack of consistency, too. Fantastic against Arsenal and then crap against Sunderland. Season has been just like this. :(
12 Mar 2012 10:17:31
Hi eds and fellow reds
Tell me, is our season really over? We're being written off by all and sundry, but do we blame them? £100M investment must have a better
return than the carling cup and 'maybe' the FA cup. Why was Carroll signed in such haste? Dont' get me wrong I am a great supporter of Carroll, a great supporter and believe he would be 'unplayable' in used in the right manner! If we're not going to use him to the best of his abilities, then why did we spend £35M (£35M!!) on him?
Was Commolli responsible for this? For
Henderson? Commolli is on a wage, he takes credit for 'finding' Suarez (whole of Europe know about him, mate) but apart from that absolutely Eff all!!
WE love KK, that goes without saying, but we shouldn't be in the situation that we are now!!
If we don't get top4, the owners will want people owning up to their mistakes...
I dread to think!! YNWA....Always!
12 Mar 2012 09:28:26
hi guys great website. i heard that suarez might want to join psg. but if he does go, i hope that we do three things. 1, sell suarez for a lot of money and use the money to buy 3 or 5 world class players (not british flops), 2 - get rid of carroll, downing, henderson, adam, kuyt, spearing and others who are rubbish and useless, 3 - get a new manager. it has been a crazy season for us and i just don't know what is going to happen next season with this team that we have. i personally want rafa back (he wants to come back as he loves the club) but what do u guys and eds think?. thanks and ynwa {Ed001's Note - he never said anything about wanting to sign for PSG at all, he was talking about playing alongside his friend who plays for them.}
Ed, it is a bit of a concern when he has been linked recently with PSG and he states he wants to play with their striker. Hmm..
BthekingB {Ed002's Note - There is nothing new in the interest of PSG or Palermo. Until we can see a transcript showing not only what Suarez said, but what he was asked, we will not see it in context.}
12 Mar 2012 09:27:20
All this talk of suarez leaving and how would we cope we did ok when he was banned and also lets talk straight facts his goal retun is at best below average ,I personnally hope he stays but lets not get carried away that we need him that much
12 Mar 2012 09:21:22
Hai..ed...fantastic support and great work..
I dont have much thing to say...we lost the match...and no need to cry..we deserved what we got..
"...for all the fans OF LIVERPOOL worldwide across...I salute..we are the only fans..who stil behind our team....there is no other fan base across who support the club we do....we arent chelsea, we arent UTD..neither we are city...we are one people..one passion,. one name...and its LIVERPOOL....what ever we loose, whatever we gain..whatever we get..we will hold our hands..proud and say..WITH US..YOU WILL NEVER EVER WALK ALONE....."
Utter boll*x
Lmao, have you been reading the posts on this site since the geame at the weekend!!
12 Mar 2012 09:18:37
hey lfc fans...
exactly the same points as last season after 27 games!...i guess that tells you everything
i guarantee we beat everton..or play amazing........and then i am sure we will beat stoke inthe cup............
but as soon as we get another league games against another team below us...lfc will do the same thing as usual and not compete at the same level...
we need a manager and MENTALITY that playing bolton in the league is as important as playing valencia in the champions league!!
i just feel we have become a cup team..and not a serious liverpool team that wants to win the league...and i just want a manager who wants the league more than the cups...and to buy hungry PACEY, SKILFUL players..cos i am slowly getting worried about losing top players to the likes of arsenal and spurs and man u
red lobster
12 Mar 2012 09:01:04
11 Mar 2012 21:14:01
Ed's after trawling through various posts on here can I be right in predicting that:
A. KK will go back upstairs in the summer
B. Suarez will be sold
C. Johnson also sold
Who would be your choices if the above does happen?
Lee73 {Ed001's Note - all are possible. No idea on any manager, Llorente or Higuain would be my ideal choices though unlikely and Kelly to get the chances he needs to settle in.}
IN REPLY TO ABOVE: Yes! Good post. I have repeatedly warned that there has been growing LFC unhappiness with Dalglish and with Suarez's behaviour.
Simply put, the Board think they appointed the wrong man as manager.
A. Rafa
B. Higuain
C. Mauricio Isla
Sir Masher
12 Mar 2012 08:47:21
if suarez is to leave in the summer i'd tell PSG or whoever £40m and he's yours,bring in soldado and hernandez from valencia approx £40-45m also two young players i'd like us to have a look at,jonny russell at dundee united,a good young pacy goal scorer and siggurdson(currently on loan at swansea)russell would cost about £3-4m and siggurdson £6m from hoffenheim and in my opinion a much better player than shelvey who many think will become a 1st team regular,that's four players who would definetly improve our squad for next season with an outlay of £15m.
paul d
12 Mar 2012 08:45:24
I still can't get over all the negative rubbish some people put on here. I use to come on here everyday but its just a depressing read.
Yea we were awful on sat, first to admit that, but lets be honest, we have only had about five games this year where we have played like that. The rest of the time we have been playing great football just not having an end product. I do think it will happen for us at some point. Get behid the team
Gaz b.
Yeah i agree..but we only have 39 points with us..u think thats sufficient enough...we havent made any improvment this year...we play good football comparitievly last year..but how man yplayers...henderson, adam, carroll..not good enough..they are bets at average players...and EPL works only on Points..not merely on stats and the way we play...
Yea I agree with that mate, not enough points at all. I think Henderson will be great eventually, not sure on Carroll, Adam is awful though.
Gaz b
If KK is doing mistake..he needs to go...As he himself said many times..."...No one is bigger than the club..."
I think i can controll the a football better than carroll...after 15 od games..if he still not finding his feet..ne needs to move on...if we are supporting carroll..we should never question whats torres doing at cheslea...35 million..for chesting down and heading down a football??...give me 10 mill i will do much much more..
Well i cant get over the crap negative football liverpool have been playing all season, its depressing to watch.and i can see kenny playing the same under performing players against Everton.
i have no faith in this team at all i have no faith in kenny
12 Mar 2012 08:27:20
I believe that Kenny will see out his 2 year contract, hes not the type of person to quit and it will give FSG time to find a decent manager suitable to a long term plan. I dont think they will sack Kenny because of the backlash from fans.
I also think if Suarez wants to leave then that's ok as long as the club make some decent money.
The only problem I see is if Suarez is sold in the summer then do we trust Kenny to spend available funds wisely? Because I don't believe his buys have been the best and will FSG take that risk!
Thoughts?
YNWA jns
Learn your history mate. He quit the last time he was in charge although that had a credible issue behind it.
Well perhaps if the results stayed like this, I believe there'd be no backlash from the fans, if he's sacked. Hope, things would get better for us, soon. YNWA
I thought Kenny had a 3 year contract?
I don't think Suarez will go to be honesty, as for giving Kenny the funds to buy players that would be a risk in my opinion, i think Kenny will walk at the end of the season he knows that the fans are not happy with him and the fans mean more to him than anything so my guess is he will walk away and go upstairs again.... get jose in!
Kenny seems to be taking all the flak for the signings, what about Damien Comolli? Surely some of the blame should be apportioned to him?
Dan
Since the common perception is that Kenny had final say on the players signed how can DC take any blame?
Comolli doesn't choose the players he recommends them based on the scouting reports, stats etc.. Im sure that it was Kenny's decision to buy British players. I bet Comolli had a whole raft of foreign players who he put to Kenny and the rest of the coaching staff.
I would also say that Suarez and Coates where both heavily scouted and backed by Comolli. I think Henderson, Adam, Carroll and Downing where all Kenny's personal choices as was Bellamy.
YNWA jns
I have no doubt that we will pick up some good results before now and the end of the season and Kenny will call it a successful season due to Cup win - Im just hoping thet FSG have a long term plan (unlike Chelski) and they are working on a strategy for LFC for the next 2, 5 and 10 years.. because it is very apparent Kenny is not the man to improve the team, he stabilised the ship and brought back some values that LFC had missed but I think giving him any more money is ill advised.
YNWA Jns
12 Mar 2012 08:24:53
who could replace suarez if he leaves and if kk does leave which i hope wont happen who could replace him
You cant replace suarez like for like because there's not many players like him so if he does leave it will be a massive loss in that respect. As for who we could buy that will come down to wages and champs league or europa and who would be willing to join the club for the name of liverpool and also seeing were moving in the right direction . The european championships will have a massive bearing on prices and availabilty so we will need to act fast on genuine targets .
Lavezzi and soldado as i just couldn't see the best of all for me higuain coming without champs league
Replace them ? My granny's up for a player/coach role - you'd notice an immediate improvement
Yes there are not too many players who have been banned like he has for what he's done and who can't hit a barn door from 10 yards
12 Mar 2012 03:43:10
Ill be the first person to admit i was over the moon when we bought suarez and watching him this season he has had alot of great moments amazing at beating players and watching him in the uraguayin team is very enjoyable. BUT i want him gone in the summer he has done nothing but bring bad press to the club and casted a shadow of racism over our heads which was handled poorly by the club but shouldnt have been an issue in the first place. there is something i dont like about him and i cant put my finger on it but i dont like his attitude and shouldnt be a person praised by LFC. and plus he he is an awful finisher of the ball. sell him while we can still get decent money.. just my opinion wonder what others views are?
LFC 89
Think he should stay.
He served his time.
However, I think he needs to play in a proper number 7 position behind the striker or strikers.
When he beats all those players, there's a player near or ahead of him to be able to pass to.
If he was playing in the hole we would see a much better end product to the team.
Get real, by your reconing we should sell carrol first as he has been useless compared to saurez
12 Mar 2012 06:01:05
One thing is certain that we are very inconsistent. Somedays we'll play football like we are a top 4 team and somedays we'll play just rubbish like on saturday. This season whenever we have played rubbish we play the next two matches well. For me our midfield is too inconsistent. Adam plays well sometimes but that is not good enough. Much as i love spearing's passion and commitment he is not technically gifted and he's no lucas. For tommorows game henderson has to play in the middle instead of adam and alongside gerrard. Downing on the left and suarez on the right. Suarez has the ability to beat men and he could easily play on the right. Carrol on top with bellamy partnering him. Coates should be given another game, he was playing after a long time and he is young.
Our season is not over yet we have the fa cup and plus we have to fight for every point in the league. For every higher league position there are a few extra million pounds which we have to fight for.One thing that could work in our favour is that everyone is already counting us out which means the players can play a bit freely now.
Comming on to the subject of dalglish, yes his tactics and substitutions have been questionable at times but for him to leave is not for me to decide. Till the day he stays i'll support him and the players. I'll never let liverpool walk alone.
amar
We played great on Saturday just couldnt put it in the net
While I understand what you are saying, it's probably not going to happen. for the Derby, we will see Carra back I think and now way will we play without a defensive mid, so Spearing starts. I don't think Bellamy will start either, remember he can't play every week due to his dodgy knees. I think we will see Carroll and Suarez start upfront with Spearing and Gerrard in Mid with Downing and Kuyt wide.
AG
12 Mar 2012 01:57:08
Ed 001
Thanks for the viewpoint. Much appreciated. This website is still and will be a great website for however long you all continue to keep it going so thanks for making it.
Spriggo
12 Mar 2012 01:54:18
" eric bummertime"
we spent 32m net nearly the same amount of tripe that sits on your bench week in week out. by the way hows the fa cup run going.... ooops i forgot you got knocked out by adam downing carroll hendo. yeh we not doing too well in the league due to watever reason but you aint won nothing yet and id take 10 draws at anfield anyday than get battered i mean battered by everton,know what i mean.
one word,
Bilboa
Rocky? What's he doing?
12 Mar 2012 07:53:29
Hey Ed's is there anything new for the summer transfer windows ? and also is it possible if liverpool clears out all the summer signing flops(i mean all of them except bellamy) and also get in a new manager ? {Ed002's Note - There is nothing new right now.}
12 Mar 2012 07:46:51
Luis Suarez will be gone from LFC during the summer: he is angry at the way he has been treated and there are elements within LFC that want shot of him, feeling he has undermined Liverpool's reputation.
Rather suspect Dalglish will remain under the spotlight. The Cup win has glossed over his failings but his failings still remain apparent.
Growing suspicion that Dalglish will never get LFC to achieve.
Absolute Rubbish.
Suarez will be going nowhere.
KK could well be moved upstairs at the end of the season.
Yawn....nameless poster
Suarez will be a palermo player if not he will go psg.
Why dont people think suarez will move on, Are these the same people who thought torres wouldn't leave us ? These players dont show any loyalty or respect to clubs so wake up and see it for how it is.
Suarez is angry at the way he has been treated? Really? Does he think that the club didn't support him enough?
If he is angry it will be because of the way the rest of football has treated him. That's no reason to leave Liverpool.
I think he will leave. But because Liverpool can't give him what he wants (top football) and that the club will see it as a fresh start following the racism episode.
I will respect him if he does leave for a team outside England.
12 Mar 2012 07:35:52
Hi Eds,
I've been watching many of our games under K.D so far this season,and i realised that speed have been our main key!,
Our back four are very quick than our forwards(which is a huge problem).
Is there any chance in the summer that;
1.Kenny DALGLISH.
2.Andy CARROLL.
3.Dirk KUYT.
4.Jamie CARRAGHER.
5.Jay SPEARING.
6.Fabio AURELIO.
All leave,because i think that;
If all the players were able to run like G.Johnson LFC should be in the Top 4.
Thanks in advance,
Please post something
!YNWA! {Ed002's Note - I am sure one or two of your list will be leaving.}
I agree every player in your list is slow by Premier league standards but lets be honest Gerrard looks to have lost some pace - he has definitely misplaced his shooting boots! Adam is so slow and always looks off the pace, Lucas isn't blessed with pace but he does work hard and neither is Johnson, and as for Suarez as tricky as he is he isn't blessed with pace and also have you notice compared to the majority of players his shoots are fairly weak he definitely cant hit the ball as hard as the majority of the team.
So in summary I agree we lack pace all over the park the two quickest players we have are on our Left in Enrique and Downing making us a one sided team.. (look at what Bellamy's pace has added when he has played but cant play more than 2 games in a row).
I think we need some pace in midfield maybe a long term replacement for Gerrard and a striker with pace like Torres used to have. Also some pace of the right wing. (Maybe give some of the youngsters a run out in these last final games of the season, they have pace to burn - Eccelston, Ngoo and Sterling etc..
NS
12 Mar 2012 01:42:19
calm down everybody dalglish ooops kk is going nowhere not till the end of this season anyway i mean league fair enough but cup runs have kept him in at least till end of season. surely there after there shall be talks and owners will decide. one thing is for sure and i agree with is he will not get sacked it will be either position upstairs or resign. and all these people saying dont bring rafa back the guy came in and started a project which was going well untill we were bought by owners who didnt give a damn about lfc. we might not have been barca but he consistently got us in europe always top 4 decent record against the top sides trust me he needed john henry as owner and we would have been feared for years to come .he bought lucas cheap young age,everybody slating him not good enough now suddenly he happens to be one of our best players rafa had a eye for talent was a master tactician brought in rod borrell set up academy sweet many of you might not agree but he truly cared about lfc.
rafa in first season won CL he bought two players at that time garcia and alonso.finished 5th.
next season took us to fa cup final
and year later again CL final
some of you would do good to do some research and realise exactly how many lfc records were broken by benitezs teams.
p.s imo maxi downing saurez kuyt should start together and bellers, carroll, hendo,downing as cover. kuyt in my opinion would make a good lone striker for now full of running good in the air and can be a poacher.
Agree. We miss Rafa days
It's you who should do some research and see that it was rafa who brought about the downfall of our club and is largely responsible for it's current fortunes.
MIKEY
Do we really miss Rafa putting in a conveyor belt of poor player (what 70 or so) and doing the long term damage he has done to the team that Kenny despite his best efforts can shake off
When Rafa arrived, Spain was on the rise to be the best in the world. Him bringing in Spanish talents was something special in the EPL, but that was 7 years ago. I know it's easy to be sentimental when things don't go so great. Everything have changed since, for one Man. City and Spurs got into the old mix of top 4, so right now it is a much tougher competition going on for the same CL spots. Managers need time to get results unless they're called Mourinho, so we should give time to KK and his signings, at least 1 more season. Just think how different everything would be if Lucas didn't get injured, if Gerrard and Agger could get a consistent run of games, if all the woodwork actually went in and if the whole Suarez saga never happened.....
HK
12 Mar 2012 01:22:59
Hey Ed 001 I dunno if you have time to answer this or you are even awake. I'm just wondering really if there is still some sort of shadow cast over Liverpool even since the new ownership?
Whether it be Steven Gerrard having too much infuence or players not happy other players are paid more or whatever? We have had a good few players a good few managers and yet the same issues seem to crop up on the pitch. Sometimes I dopnt really feel we have an actual team at times. Evertons great strength sometimes is their collective and I'm wondering if there's something that prevents our lads playing for each other? If you see what I mean? I'm not looking for an actual answer as to what it is but wondering if there's off the scenes problems at the club?
Spriggo {Ed001's Note - there are issues, there will always be issues when you have one man who is such a focal point of the whole club and he is not performing. The whole club has been built around Gerrard for so long, it is a real problem for the players to move on and not look for him with every pass. Trouble is we don't have the strength of squad to afford us to let him go, even though he is not at his best, he is still needed. The problem is, when a player is in and out of the team due to injury, it disrupts the whole team, players get used to someone else's movement and then suddenly have to learn Gerrard's. It doesn't help that he is adjusting his game as well, he is no longer just powering forward at every opportunity.}
Steven Gerrard does not have too much influence its an urban myth
Kenny is his own made man - What do you think Stevie does or says that interferes with the team
12 Mar 2012 01:22:51
Ed - just seeking your opinion. Do you think our squad is comparable to the mancs? If both squads are comparable, then is it Kenny's tactics that is not working? Singred {Ed001's Note - our squad is nowhere near their's, but then Ferguson has had years to build it and rebuild it at his leisure.}
12 Mar 2012 01:11:57
(Sigh!) I wonder if Comolli was serious when he said big players want to join our club, because I just can't see it. Singred
Singred
I feel your pain mate, I really do (sighing lots with ya!)
Regarding Comolli's comment regarding "big players" wanting to join Liverpool; I think he mean't big as in fat like Charlie Adam rather than big as in top quality. Talking of which, what is John Barnes and Jan Molby doing these days, they were "big" players for Liverpool and would walk into your first team tomorrow! Just a thought, only trying to help!
Eric Banterna, Seagulls, Trawler, Sardines
Well eric (alex x) whatever, I'm keeping the faith - at least we still have the FA Cup to fight for. It's something that the mancs won't get this year! Singred
Carroll is a big player, all 6 foot 3 or so inches of him and he joined
Whats a big player?
Messi?
Carlton Cole?
Big player very subjective
12 Mar 2012 00:23:16
As you have probably gathered, I do not understand anything about Premier League football, so please forgive me.
I know Liverpool supporters are regarded as "knowledgable" so could you help me out with some questions regarding association football?
Stuart Downing cost Liverpool FC a bargain £20m from Aston Villa and has contributed 0 goals and 0 assists in the whole of the PL season so far, I think a fair return considering his talent.
Ashley Young cost Man United an expensive £17.8m from Aston Villa, and in 90 mins against Spurs last week contributed 2 goals (including a lucky horizontal volley into a tiny far post gap, and a lucky 20 curling shot into the far corner) and 1 assist via a lucky perfectly delivered corner kick.
Personally I think Sir Alex x has lost it, and "King" Kenny is the future, but what do the "knowledgeable" Liverpool supporters think?
Also, you have a £20m "footballer" called Jordan Henderson, what does he do please? Is he fantastic at making the half time cuppa?
Further more, why is Charlie Adam earning money pretending to a footballer when he would be more suited as a stuntman for ugly film actors?
Andy Carroll, your £35m is he ever likely to..oh never mind!
Eric Banterna, Seagulls, Trawlers, Sardines
At least we try and do it without having the FA and various refs in our pockets, unlike your team over the years and that is a FACT!
Keith
So sir alex x is now eric whatever. Clever, clever! SingRed
"Keithy" baby, and you only "Singred" when you're winning
But you haven't answered my questions!
Deary deary me, I thought you "knowledgeable" fans would help me out!
Eric Banterna, Seagulls, Trawlers, Sardines
You are actually a complete knob...
Downing I will give you, I never wanted him...allthough he has looked better lately, Henderson is for the future, I think he's looked good and will be the next stevie G, Adam has contributed all through the season...As for the Carroll remark, He's scored more goals than Torres, More assists than Torres, and cost 15 mil less...Even if he doesn't return goals, he creates a lot of space by drawing defenders, King Kenny is, and always will be, a legend. Furthermore, Charlie is a very attractive male specimen.
Jog on...
J-Red
Oh Yeah...
I forgot to say,
I do agree you know nothing about premier league football...
KNOB!
J-Red
There's no point answering to you since you won't get it anyway. But if you must know - refer to Ed001's answer to my post above about ur precious fergie having time to build and rebuild the mancs at his leisure.
BTW you seem to know our squad very well. Are you a Kenny Dalglish fan?!
Singred (btw I'm singred because i'm from Singapore. get it? sing(apore)red. nah! think you'd too blinkered to even notice)
12 Mar 2012 00:18:27
No matter how disappointing things are at present, they could be worse - we could have signed Gervinho. How bad is he!? Makes Salif Diao look like Pele.
Square Red
Are u actually serious? He's playing in an arsenal team that are looking good for champions league, Stop trying to forget the fact that kenny wasted 35m on carroll, 16m on downing, 7m on adam, 6m on coates and 18m on henderson, we are the laughing stock of the premiership, 1 win this year, 2 wins out of 11, 30 league goals, thats relegation form, we need to concentrate on our own team and stop worrying about bloody gervinho, we need changes now, paul
Or you could have signed Carrol for 35m lol how bad is he, makes Ngog look like messi.
CnM
You do realise that salif diao played for us dont you ?
Serves me right for trying to lighten the mood I suppose. I'm not worrying about Gervinho, I know Salif Diao played for us, hence the comparisson. Jeez, will you lot lighten up. So Paul, 'we need to concentrate on our own team'? If we concentrate hard enough and all at the same time could we make them levitate up the table a few places?
Stop being so uptight, go and have a pooh or something.
Square Red
12 Mar 2012 00:01:29
I would love to see diame, Hoilett and Farfan next season, all on Bosmans aswell.
No chance, They will have offers from alot of big teams with champions league football so i doubt we'd have a chance if im honest
Big clubs offer for diame? Holi? Maybe farfan but the only club offering holiett is munch if that's what u count as "big"