Liverpool Banter Archive February 12 2013
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12 Feb 2013 23:36:20
Eds, if Brendan was to get sacked or mutually leave the club, do you think Mourinho would be approached and if so do you think he would even consider us? Would love him to be LFC boss!
Neilp
Sorry to dash your dreams mate but I don't think he would come to LFC. I may be wrong but I just can't see it. Rodgers will have to do for now, he's a good manager anyway!
TedRed.
13 Feb 2013 01:38:40
Mate Mourinho is modern day Great manager but will take something special to convice him.
I will really be happy if we get him his the man to fix our problems.
If you see his career he went to porto at that time porto were struggling and didn't win league like 25-30 years he changed everything without spending much and went to win consecutive league title including champions league
Went to chelsea where chelsea were mediocore team and weren't established as top4 but they had Abramovich who gave Mourinho like 65-75M, Mourinho quickly turned chelsea fortunes and went to win league title in his first season again won league title in his 2nd season with Fa cups and Carling cup. He built a chelsea side which lasted 8-9 years, abromovich didn't need to spend again but with his wealth always bought 1-2 player, even recently chelsea won champions league it was still his players
Went to inter milan didn't spend anything in his first season but won league title and some Domestic trophys in his 2nd year spent 17-22M, and went to win treble including champions league. Inter won champions league after more then 50-70 years
Went to Real madrid where Barca were untouchable and hadn't won single title for 4-5 years but changed that went to win copa del rey trophy in his first season and league title in his 2nd season and recently won supercopa de Espana.
Success of Mouriho is based on instilling winning mentality which we badly need, he doesn't like to loose neither accepts mediocrity or 2nd best from his players, this is what keeps him going strong and motivated he hates losing it.
Mourinho is single minded. He has his stykle of play and he does not budge from it and his players are only allowed to play the way he wants them to play in the position he decides he is playing them. Other than that he doesn't think twice about getting rid of a player who doesn't yield to him or who has past his best.
12 Feb 2013 23:24:03
If Brendan really believes players gave all they had and THAT was acceptable, we're in deep s it. let's just hope it's oneve these public faces, and be llo kings due behind the scenes. johnson, Enrique, Shelvey stunk place out. Stevie and Hendo off key, Agger lightweight. Suarez trying too hard-isolated. lucas m. o. m Downing and Carra-ok. Borini woeful. Disgrace. Only West Brom attitude is only way I can explain great last two (though we didn't win!) Then that carp that followed. Want ripping into and dropping some of them, wages they get. Hang be oozy heads!
Or how about West Brom came and defended with six men on the edge of the box the whole time, and we kept trying to dribble through the middle of them over and over again. And Foster had a fantastic game and saved our best chances that on another day would have gone in and we'd have run out 3. 0 winners. If we lack anything it's a plan be for when the plan A tiki taki isn't working. The insulting posts and over reaction is plain and simple bull.
ND
12 Feb 2013 23:03:48
just an interesting fact, from the 2009/2010-12/10/2013, Manchester United have won 319 points Liverpool have won 209 points, difference of 110 points in 3 and half seasons.
the four seasons before that 05/06-08/09, Manchester United 349 points to Liverpools 312 points a 37 total points differnce in utds favour.
just find it hard to beleive how far we have fallen since we finished 2nd in the league.
gs
And there are people who trust BR blindly and still think Rafa was awful.
to be honest it looks like dalglish and commolli did better in the transfer market than BR is doing now.
12 Feb 2013 23:00:06
Rodgers is one of the worst manager ever to manage our great club never thought anybody will be worst then Hodgson but Rodgers have broken even Hodgson record.
Owners need quickly to bring someone who can help him his out of his depth and continues doing AMATEURISH mistake.
How can any manager play shelvey as striker instead of borini or play Suarez on left who is 2nd top scorer in the league when sturridge is injured. Guyz seriously is Rodgers up to the job.
What makes me worried after spending 60M+ only sturridge is in our first xi, do we trust him to spend more money?
If you think Rodgers is worse than Hodgson, you haven't got a clue.
Matt S -YNWA
Rodgers didn't spend £60million!
Allen 15 Mil
Borini 10. 5 Mil
Assaidi 3. 5 Mil
Yesil 1 Mil
Sturridge 12 Mil
Coutinho 8 Mil
which equates to about 50 million. Ofcourse this is just an approximation. In truth, could be around 52-53.
But, the question should be, Should he have bought better players, who WERE available for that amount? YES.
I think a player like Moussa Dembele, who went to Spurs for 15 mil, would have been a much better investment.
The real AG
{Ed002's Note - The amount spent was around £57M on transfer fees alone but the total amount spent is significantly more:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number including any levy applied by the local FA.
(b) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(c) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(d) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(e) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches.
(f) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(g) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered)
(h) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, paying up insurance costs on the player, football association fees, signing on fee etc.. }
The only time John-jo played as a striker was against west ham we won. Suarez played as the striker Monday not John-jo, Suarez likes to drift aroun up top and not stay in the same area, so that is why jj pushed up in front of him at times.
KUMBER
13 Feb 2013 08:51:06
ed. you are too good.
12 Feb 2013 22:59:12
Brendan Rodgers is a nice bloke. However he is not an experienced enough manager for Liverpool. This season has not been transitional, it has been bordering on a disaster by the standards set from the past. I believe he should be removed as soon as possible. Also many of the players he has bought are simply not good enough. We can't go on like this. Whatever anyone says on here, not one of us would want to put up with this mediocrity for much longer. Does anyone else feel embarrassed having the likes of Chelsea, Man City, Spurs etc even being mentioned in the same breath as a team who dominated English football for decades. This has to stop. Now.
12 Feb 2013 22:41:32
Ed's if you all don't mind me mentioning I just had a look a the page source of this website and would like to know, did you create all of those codes yourself? If that is the case I have a hell of a lot of respect for all of you! {Ed001's Note - I didn't, but Ed033 did all the coding for every aspect of the sites. Initially it was just a college project to learn how to do web design, but he has since gone on to learn a lot more.}
12 Feb 2013 22:40:56
In
Hart -we will only have to pay like 5 m if we sell reina
Sanchez
Ince
Bony
Good centre back like kompany
12 Feb 2013 16:07:07
I didn't comment last night on the result because I was as dissapointed as anyone and wanted to be rational. Things are seen more effectively when given time thus why I am posting today.
Edd001 I would like you to comment on this mate. We have quailty players no doubht but what it comes down to is mentality. When I look at uniteds squad, the only player I would take is RVP, they didn't have RVP last year but grinded out results. Even when they have looked poor they have come away with a win because they believe they are good enough and have that winning mentality and IMO I realy believe that's what missing, "whats in the players heads". Someone whether its BR or not in the future needs to install that. look its not the easiest thing in the world but di mateo managed to instill that into a laboured chelsea last year. We have produced some excellent performances this season and are exciting to watch but there's that lagging inconsistency and fear' that we might lose instead of confidence' that we will win. Edd001, would you agree'
Big Al {Ed001's Note - I do think that is a huge disadvantage, our players struggle the moment things go against us, there is no belief that they can pull it back. It takes time to build that, it took us many years last time, United didn't develop it over night either. Neither City nor Chelsea have managed to gain it, despite the many millions spent. It requires stability and a long term plan to do so. United have done it with Fergie, City and Chelsea have tried to put in a unified policy above the manager's position, in order to build it. Only time will tell if it will work for them, the way Barca have made it work.}
Successful Liverpool sides of the past had goals from midfield.
A good midfield player should average about 1 goal every six games.
Molby.
Mcmannaman.
Barnes.
Houghton.
Berger.
Whelan.
Mcdermott
Kennedy
Case.
McMahon
Beardsley.
Probably forgotten some but the point is were not signing this type player anymore, were signing athletes, water carriers that don't know where the net is.
Lucas for example is in my opinion excellent at playing a defensive role but in the past we've had Souness, Alonso and Didi Hamman that played that position and they could all step up and hit a ball.
Not having a go at Lucas who I really rate or Henderson and Downing all good players but no goals.
kidmillions
Agree to the op and ed001. Not just this year. It has happened for sometimes even during rafa times. When we not score early then we will struggle. That why we always struggle against team that defend deep and organise. Hope something can be done about that.
-qs-
12 Feb 2013 22:35:39
Why may skertle leave?
Because he's sick of people spelling his name incorrectly?
13 Feb 2013 12:32:50
outstanding reply. OMG. I am having a laughing riot.
12 Feb 2013 22:33:15
My blueprint for success for Lfc hasn't changed since Rafa left and is probably in line with what most supporters have been saying for ages.
We've conceded roughly the same as Manutd till 2 games ago.
We don't score enough goals.
Manutd are top; they do score enough goals and are still top with a creaky defence? Why? They score goals!
Our problem? We need to take the pressure off our defence by scoring more goals? How? Only sign players that have an eye for goal, we've got enough defenders and water carriers in midfield! We don't have loads of money to spend so we need to spend it wisely in the summer and only buy goalscorers and a goalkeeper then everything else will right itself.
The defence and midfield will all start to function better.
You only have to see the effect Sturridge has on the team to realise this.
kidmillions
To score goals you have to have more than one player in the box. That's something our motormouth manager doesn't seem to understand.
Brendan keeps saying the players were magnificent, so who is responsible it must be the coaching staff. This time under Kenny we were 7th and still in two cup finals. Someone has to get a grip, I hate to say it but we are going backwards.
We finished the season horendsly last year. stop hanging on the past and just try and support the team! Iam so sad : ( I thought Liverpool had the best supporters in the world, we have the best winers, don't have a laugh about best supporters! breaks my heart but do you all think this negativity is helping anyone? SUPPORT THE TEAM AND THE MANAGER AND STOP IT NOW. most of you are children am sure! I supported rodgers but I have doubts as well, but I don't go around wishing we had kenny, let's just see where the season finishes and if you can't then I advise you to please please stop watching or supporting the team until next season because all this negative energy would do the team and the club no good am sure of it : ( ( ( (
PHARAOH
12 Feb 2013 22:13:41
Maybe yesterday's game was the eye opener - the realisation that regardless of positive spins 4th place is not going to be achievable without a near miracle this year.
I couldn't sleep last night; I run over certain passages of the game over and over.
Stevie didn't have his normal good/great game but he was ok. What was apparent was how much of a positive influence Sturridge has had on our game and how we missed him.
More worringly was how poor Shelvey and Enrique were (IMO Enrique was lucky to stay on the pitch the amount of times he gave the ball away).
That being said we looked v good at times against a defence minded W Brom; however actual scoring opportunitities were rare (see Sturridge comment above).
I don't mean to be critical of the above two but by the same token BR has been criticised by lots of fans on here and tbf the it's not his fault if a player fails to mis-time ever tackle, can't control the ball or knoock it too far infront that we lose possession.
In all honestly he probably made a mistake not taking Enrique off as well as Shelvey however you can't take more than 3 players off in a game. Also if it's 0-0 and you've had 20 shots more than the opposition and failed to score you don't normally take the full back off you swap the attacking players.
Which brings me to Borini; now before we start he's had a 3+ month injury; also he's had 5 clubs and he's only 21. So settling places especially at the expectancy of our club (see henderson, Downing and many more high profile players).
Maybe Borini will come good next year maybe he won't but the trouble with us at the moment is if we spend £10m + on a player we need them integrated and performing like one straight away and that's not happening atm (also see Allen).
All the above may appear to send mixed messages out in terms of how I feel but this is how I feel; I love some of the football we are playing, we need to finish people off (see West brom) and stop making individual errors (see Man City); but BR to go?
Not for me yet I still have faith (although disappointment that its unlikely we will get 4th spot0 but his summer signings need to be spot on. However before you all scream for rafa back he had the same issues with players (both academy and 1st team).
In summary - read the whole post - I do give out a mixed message throughout but i'm behind the vision, BR just needs to make the next three signings work (as well as teaching Enrique how to play football again and tell Shelvey if he complains he's been made scapegoat again to watch his performance against W Brom)
Thanks for your time
Hoola
13 Feb 2013 08:54:33
at 21. he didn't even feature for a roma side.
common what make him special to play for Liverpool. ?
I qam worried. swansea are playing well. BR will buy all those in summer
Still can't get over. BR saying he would have broke the bank to sign Allen.
Yes he did feature, 24 times and scored 9. Get your facts straight
FowlerisGod
12 Feb 2013 22:09:36
hi eds we know carra is retiring and seen it mentioned here that skirtle looks like going, as does coates, and renia looks to be off also, this means a new 1st choice keeper and at least 2 new centre backs. The cost of these changes would be high, offset by sales of players mentioned but my real worry is its a huge amount of change in a crucial area that will need time to adjust and prob cost crucial points next season as players need to get to know each other, so in your best opinion are such sweepin changes all at once a good idea, cheers red2toe {Ed002's Note - It is not a huge change - Coates is hardly a regular and Kelly will soon be fit.}
12 Feb 2013 22:07:34
Don't understand all the moaning. Beat Swansea, Nick A Winner Against Wigan and Thump Spurs At Home and back In Top Four Contention HAHAH.
Optimistic Red
Glad for your optimism. I hope you are right ;)
DanielDenmark
When do we ever beat Swansea that is one team that seriously has our number
Can't remember the last time we beat spurs
13 Feb 2013 08:57:36
3-1 back in th days of rafa.
hyppia last game.
fernando torres breaking the record of scoring the fastest 50 goalsm for Liverpool. passing some anfield legends. rush, daglish, fowler, owen.
How much we miss him.
the only striker Liverpool showed the world what we got.
he was a complete striker. and he did gave us 50 mill. should have bought aguero. 30 mill and paid him 20 mill in wages. we wouldm have won the league. by now
2-0 in the 2009/10 season. Kuyt double.
12 Feb 2013 22:02:46
Time for a radical change - if the owners are serious about the club, they need to break the bank and obtain the services of Marcelo Bielsa.
BR was a gamble and its not paying off.
M
Bielsa is a football philosopher he has forgotten more about football than Rodgers will ever know.
However he is not the answer, genuis is rarely consitent and he would struggle with the culture of the prem.
LFC should look to, Klopp, Deschamps or Laudrupp.
Not paying off? Rodgers? The man had us in 8th after half a season with 1 striker.
We're flying with Sturridge.
Shut up.
Redfellar
Klopp? You are having a laugh mate.
Why would he leave BD, turn down Abramovich in favour of LFC?
Let's get Mourinho and Ronaldo and Messi.
Please, inject a bit of realism into suggestions.
12 Feb 2013 21:58:16
Worst Liverpool team since the 60's. I've hated every minute of this season not winning a single big prem game all year knocked out FA Cup by Oldham. People sit behind their keyboards defending the likes of Borini Reina Coates Skrtel Shelvey and Allen when they don't deserve to wear the shirt. These players have either lost the desire to play for Liverpool or are simply talentless flops who should never be even considered for the bench. You mention the fans of Celtic being so awesome. THERE AT HOME PLAYING JUVENTUS IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE! They win the league every year and constantly play amongst Europe's elite. We are losing at Anfield 2-0 against teams like West Brom
Yeah bring back spearing poulsen konchesky and ngog we actually had something going there and they had to go and spoil it! Lool
They win the Scottish League every year. Chill out.
Redfellar
13 Feb 2013 11:19:45
I'm sure we'd be title contenders if we played in the SPL.
WelshboyDave
12 Feb 2013 21:51:50
I think centre half has been a weak position for Liverpool since Big Sami left, I have never been convinced of our aerial power in defence since, much needed a Shawcross or a Dawson, someone who is tough as they come and would rather head a ball than kick it, I find Skrtyl and Agger to be very average in the air, hopefully a beast of a centre half will be signed in the summer.
also send Borini packing, no speed, no power, no skill, couldn't hit a barn door!
Cobra
Dawson would never leave spurs! Shawcross would be a less favourable option though!
13 Feb 2013 08:59:47
". also send Borini packing, no speed, no power, no skill, couldn't hit a barn door!. "
What a compliment mate.
a player who even never featured for roma side. sold for 11 mill. to Liverpool.
He scored 9 in 24 for Roma, that's pretty good
FowlerisGod
12 Feb 2013 21:46:00
Any news on Carragher stepping into a coaching position? I read Macca believes him to be another pundit on tv, but surely there will be a few offers around. And if not from us, would any other clubs be likely to make a move?
So I have to ask this with the utmost respect, but as an American I have to admit I can't understand a thing Carragher says.
Is it just me (granted not the target demographic for any broadcast he's likely to be on) or do you folks over there have the same issue? Seems like I saw an interview once with him and even the English hosts (admittedly from London I think they were) couldn't quite make it all out either?
12 Feb 2013 21:44:53
eds, with reina's recent poor form, and after brad jones' nightmare against oldham, do you think peter gulacsi will be given a chance between the sticks? Personally, I rate him fairly highly
YNWA {Ed002's Note - I would doubt you will see him unless there is injury or suspension.}
12 Feb 2013 21:40:36
Liverpool will target 3 centre halfs next summer with hummels, Diakite and sakho top of the list. Christian eriksen, tom Ince and James Rodriguez are our offensive targets. pepe reina will definitely leave at the end of the season, but as yet there no definitive targets yet, to replace him.
Eriksen will not be joining Liverpool! My guess is he will join spurs?
How much do you expect us to spend? Hummels and rodriguez we will not get. Porto are the hardest club to buy from in europe, won't sell there best players unless they get 30m. And hummels plays for the german champions. Other targets are reasonable although erikson will be difficult
13reds
12 Feb 2013 21:38:26
wow. there is a lot og anger from last night but each to their own aye
im confident to say that most fans are more frustrated at the manager DURING a game. and not in the media or before a game.
basically brendan shows passion when he talks and you can see he knows a lot about the game and knows the history of the club and what's expected.
but the annoying part is. the important decisions he doesn't make during the game. this is where we have lost so many points.
the times against arsenal and city. we were tired. freshen it up. be more defensive. then counter. change a formation. go gung ho. DO STH other than the same 1 tactic that he plays.
and most often than not. by the times the changes are made. the game is tied or over
so I think its during games that I personally feel we are going to struggle unless he uses some VARIETY in his tactics to combat situations.
i really hope he is this way because he doesn't have the right players. because let's face it guys. let's say he has 100 millland gets what he wants. will he be the same tactically and show 1 way of playing. or not
red lobster
12 Feb 2013 21:38:18
There will be a huge clearest in the summer including Rodgers. Carlo Lancelot will be in.
Reina, sskrtel, Coates, Flanagan, Darby, assaidi, Henderson (thank you god), Allen, carrol, borini, Pacheco, Suarez.
Valdes, lescott, samba, arda turan, Mario Gomez, Javier Hernandez, ince
12 Feb 2013 21:37:59
Anyone else notice how God-awful the ITV commentators are?
The epitome of their message the whole game was "Dirty foreigners playing awful football, stealing the victory!" I know there was some bad 'defending' from Juventus but that is what we see week in, week out at some clubs *cough* Stoke *cough* and yet we hail it as 'tactical genius'.
Not strictly relevent, but I need to moan somewhere ;)
Jolly Red
Totally agree.
Adam
Mate I totally agree, the juve defenders where just protecting their keeper, stoke and others do it week in week out when the ref should blow for obstruction.
TTG
12 Feb 2013 21:29:00
Christian eriksen deal is almost done. {Ed019's Note - No it is not}
12 Feb 2013 21:28:00
Shades of last night eh boys?!
Sack Lennon, Lennon out!
Blah blah blah!
Oh no wait, Celtic fans are not as fickle. {Ed019's Note - Good on them}
Lennon took his side to the CL, and is winning titles
Stupid post
Celtic were playing in CL
If it were west brom they be pi**ed too
I think you'll find if we were nearly 20 points clear at the top of the table, the 'fickle fans' would probably not nearly gripe so much about a 3-0 defeat in the CL.
I have to say though credit to Celtic what a fantastic performance! Disappointing result but fair play to them they deserved better!
How do you feel about the performance Ed (Celtic Ed haha)?
Cheers,
LS7. {Ed007's Note - I don't think we deserved to lose 3-0. I'm just delighted that we are playing in this round, especially when you look at some of the teams who didn't qualify from the group stages.}
Celtic fans have much lower expectations but rest assured if they were 9th in the SPL theyd be demanding that Lennon hands in his resignation {Ed007's Note - Lower expectations than winning the league, both domestic cups and getting to the latter stages of Europe, all the time making sure the financial side is ok, the youth set up is producing players and that the squad is improved every year....not to mention the team has to play a flowing attacking game, the 'Celtic way'. Yeah we are very easily pleased and don't expect too much.}
Ed007 its the scottish league haha c'mon stoke would win yiur league year in year out and that's a fact
Celtic are so poor quality wise its a joke they are even in the CL when their biggest rivals are motherwell lool {Ed007's Note - Ah the old EPL snobbery raises it's ugly head, I take it you are a Chelsea or Man City supporter? I noticed you didn't say LFC would win our league every year, that would just be ludicrous.}
To be honest I love Celtic although I'm a Liverpool supporter. And to say Celtic have much lower expectations you must be having a laugh! They are expected to win the league, the domestic cups and qualify for the Champions League every year. Even in a group containing Barcelona, Benfica and Spartak Moscow, they were expected to qualify for the knockout stages! If that's not high expectations I don't know what is and Neil Lennon is doing a fantastic job.
And to the last poster who said Celtic are 'so poor quality wise'. If they were poor they would not have qualified for the Champions League, and before you say they're playing in an easy league, how did they get to the knockout stages of the Champions League? By beating a full strength Barcelona team, by beating Spartak Moscow twice, and drawing with Benfica. They dominated Juventus, the current Italian champions who have only lost twice in the last 60 matches or so. Celtic were unlucky. Would Liverpool dominate the Scottish League? With Celtic in it, it would be close. But don't come on here saying Celtic are poor when you have no proof that they're a 'poor' side.
Not all us Liverpool fans are like that Ed haha!
Cheers,
TedRed.
All these persons slating on Celtic, there playing at the top level and putting in performances! They have a good team that are playing good football and have beaten the best team in the world this season! We can't even beat West Brom! Good on you Celtic! Good luck in Turin
Gill
12 Feb 2013 21:16:44
Just a question for one of the ed's if we don't get champions league football and don't win the europa league do you think the owners will view the season as a failure and would Rodger's job be under threat? LMC {Ed002's Note - Read the posts please.}
12 Feb 2013 21:15:09
Wanyama is useless what's all the hype about wanting him ¿? Or is it just a bad game
What game where you watching mate.
I thought he looked top class to be honest
All that watching the welsh xavi has fried his brain and impaired his vision I think.
12 Feb 2013 21:03:00
A huge summer overall of players coming in and
Out will take place this summer. The manager is aware that his signings have to be far better this summer. reina, skertel, agger, downing, borini, coates, assaidi will all be sold. this I know for sure. Liverpool Scouts are working overtime to find the right defensive replacements, the goalkeeping position is also a top priority.
One can only wish. This is the worst Liverpool team I've seen in 20 years!
Agger will be going nowhere
Not even close to being as bad as Souey's teams. Walters, Speedie, Tanner, Kozma, Dicks.
^ Dalglish signed Speedie! He was alright him! Had a very good debut for us!
12 Feb 2013 20:49:43
Don't write the manager off just yet people.
It's plain to see were still a few players short of
Competing at the top end of the table. yes Rodgers has made mistakes, tactically and in the transfer market, but I firmly belive this season was always destined 2 be one of plenty of ups and downs. We need to replace reina, who has been below par for way to long now. how many points does a top keeper save you over a season?. skertel agger and coates are not good enough in my opinion, they make far too many mistakes. we need to go all out and strengthen our goal keeping position and center backs. This summer will shape our long time future.
Who would you get to replace Reina? Every goal is not his fault the Centre halfs in front of him are the cause of most of are goals for being too weak and soft centred and too slow
It's Obviously Not all pepe's fault, but he has been. Poor for a long time now. There Are some excellent. Keepers In the Germany league.
12 Feb 2013 20:44:40
hope some of you english guys are watching the celtic game, victor wanyama, better than lucas (not basing this on one game I watch celtic games every week along with lpool games), younger than lucas, and would cost ten million maybe 15, but if we pay that for joe allen, henderson downing etc, surely we should at least have the boy scouted? at least I said, I reckon we should make a bid for him as soon as the window opens in july, great great player
Went awfully quite when that second goal went in can only hear juve now
Imagine they were 7th in their league
Perspective
Hang on juve scored a 3rd just now celtic fans are leaving in their thousands
12 Feb 2013 20:42:12
Note to Liverpool supporters - listen to Celtic crowd - that's what support is - buck yer ideas up - make some noise or stay away - seems to me the wrong people can afford to watch Liverpool these days -
Thinking the same myself that is how to support, passionately defiant.
Paisley's genius
I've been saying this for a few years now. The home fans are very rarely heard above the away fans at Anfield these days. If you're going to the game, make sure you shout long and loud, so you go home hoarse. Why sit there in silence apart from shouting the odd negative word. Give the team some encouragement, roar them on and don't give me the rubbish about needing the team to inspire you etc. Make it happen! Or don't bother going and a real fan that would love a chance at a ticket can take your place
Maybe that's down to the poor football being played at home?
You can't blame the fans for a poor side, look at the owners and manager!
Champions league nights at Anfield are really special the atmosphere will improve when they come back.
kidmillions
12 Feb 2013 20:40:05
Lost faith in the team, lost faith in the manager
RIP
LFC
Disappointed sometimes, but surrender faith never, still think Brendan is the right man. y. n. w. a.
Paisley's genius
Brendan the right man. based on what eveidence. how can someone install a winning mentalilty whos never won FSG all?
12 Feb 2013 20:37:17
I have lost count how many goals we have conceded from set pieces. Constantly seeing Agger and Skrtel are not dominant in the air. We need a new Hyypia desperately.
Also watching Celtic we could really do with an aggressive centre mid like Scott Brown or Roy Keane type a real leader not afraid to mix it up and be aggressive.
By the way I'm not saying sign Brown but someone of his ilk would really make a difference.
Bulmer
12 Feb 2013 20:34:32
The end of this season can't come quick enough
For me. We need 2 dominant centre halfs and a new keeper urgently. What's happened to sterling, why ain't he running at players and beating them anymore?. is it due to a simple dip in form, or is he vastly overrated.
Overcoached
kidmillions
12 Feb 2013 20:27:03
Just going down this website seriously your all deluded! The only people that talk sense is eds and Kelly red the rest of you literally just make 0 sense.
Btw anyone watching the Celtic game? This is how loud we should be! It kinda makes me jealous we ain't this loud
London red
12 Feb 2013 21:38:05
All hail the all knowing London red. This site is all about opinions, it's what keeps it going lad.
Stop flirting with the eds and kellys hero, all of whom do excellent work by the way. Save your valentine compliments for someone else. Some of players aren't good enough, you can argue all you want with your drawn out posts, but it's a fact.
I do think rogers is the right man and he'll learn over the course of the season who is up for the battle.
Red belly
Champions league! is that loud enough!
kidmillions
12 Feb 2013 20:22:21
I know there is an over reaction after last night, and comments are made, but it is a recurring theme isn't it? this is not the first time is it? most fans can see the problems and the players we need, and what is expected from the ones we have, what I would like to know is why don't the club act on it? why did we stop buying players when everyone knew what we needed? Newcastle bought 5 players and they are playing really well, why can't we do it? answers please!
^ Apparently we're buying for the long term not the short term fix! Well that's what we're getting told!
12 Feb 2013 20:20:22
Oh how I would love Wanyama in our midfield
HullRED
12 Feb 2013 20:17:15
I'm thinking some peole on here to get a grip. If you had won last night everyone would be taking about pushing for 4th. But you lost, and now there is a queue of people talking about disaster. Football is rarely that black and white. You either give Rodgers time or you don't but reacting to every game like it is a tragedy or triumph is pointless (bit like you lot last night). I'm with Ed02, I was amazed you went with such an inexperienced Manager but now you have him, you have little choice but to support him.
AJH
12 Feb 2013 20:10:30
Id take marchisio and wanyama in the morning
12 Feb 2013 20:09:59
What we are finding more and more is we win and LFC are progressing we loose sack rodgers. The reality is somewhere in the middle. The majority I think are reserving judgement until the end of the season. Here are my thoughts:
1) Transition has been used a few times this season. This is just an excuse for losing games. Its meant to make you feel better
2) When we loose like last night the players still get praised. When we lost against Oldham the young players got slaughtered. Why. The reason by Rodgers was that the squad was too small. Results in premier league still not better
3) Would the owners of Utd, City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs accept our position? NO so why do ours
4) At start of season KD's signings appeared to be
criticised. Players that are now playing a prominent part. Has anyone mentioned the waste of money spent on Allen (15m), Borini (11m), Assaidi (3.5m)
5)Failure or ability of Rodgers to have a plan B. Particularly last night an Andy Carroll style player would have brought a different approach. Something different for West Brom to think about. This has happened a number of times this season
6) We have gone out of two cup competitions Swansea (h) and Oldham (a). BR said it was down to small squad. This is the squad that BR sold. Last season we reached two finals won one but was considered failure. Will BR loose his job?
7)John Henry has not been to Liverpool since May 2012. Has he lost interest in the club. Personally I think the owners would sell if they received a decent offer
8) The team has no defensive structure. Has not been solved all season. Keep on concending. Last four games we have considered 2 v west brom, City 2 Arsenal & 3 v Oldham Progression er no
I personally don't think this season has been good at all. We have not beaten a top ten side all season. No Wembley trip to look forward too. We keep hearing the team will bounce back. i'm bored. Changing managers does not work however I don't think Rodgers is any better than what we had before.
John Henry may have been in Liverpool last May prior to a Wembley match, but he hasn't been at Anfield to a match since January 28th 2012
The owners of Manchester United put up with A. F. for 4 years without a trophy, then he fluked the F. A. cup in 1990 and never looked back. Be patient things will work out i'm sure.
Sooty
Yes I have mate, but you get banned from the site for daring to level any criticism at the owners or Brendan.
Ozone {Ed001's Note - no you don't, stop lying to go with your whining.}
12 Feb 2013 20:09:29
Ed's you should create a new page called 'Liverpool whingers page' because since yesterday's game I've seen nothing but negative posts on this page!
LS7.
Nobody's forcing you to read it
What is worse is people like you, who whinge about the whingers.
This is called 'Liverpool Banter Page' for a reason you know.
LS7.
12 Feb 2013 20:09:23
Evening all. First of I know I am one for optimism the whole time but last nights performance was so dissappointing. I don't know what was wrong. tiredness from midweek internationals?. There was no fight in the team. no intensity. sloppy passing and too slow. The sickening thing was BR said in the interview after the game that the team gave everything!
That sickening feeling when at the result and then to hear that crap. Borini came on and did not chase after the ball and prove to us fans he is a goalscorer and wants to be a LFC Striker. I would give my right arm to play for the reds and would bust my b****x to win the ball. take on players and score goals.
Us fans know what Liverpool is all about. the passion to wear that red shirt.
The only other thing that BR says that drives me nuts is that we will get a reaction in the next game. this is not Reading or Swansea that its okay to lose a game now and again and its okay. Let me remind you this is LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB!. We don't lie down and play 2 games with wins and can lose the next. I don't care if players are young that should be even a plus to be ruthless. fight for the ball. win the ball. pass the ball. drive at defences and score!
At the end of it all I am sorry for the rant but had to let off some steam and see what you fellow reds think!. I do think BR is the right man becasue we can't be going sacking him and looking for another person unless its the THE SPECIAL ONE. We need stability. Its sad to say the league campaign is up. top 4 I think is out of reach now for this season.
BR must adresse players and don't play players who are not going to play for the shirt. For me Hendo has to start. the boy leaves everything on the pitch and he lifts us when you chasing down everything like DIRK done for many years.
We need to play at quicker pace. sharper. I think 4-2-3-1 is our best formation and I think we have to press higher and not drop off as much.
As many said before this summer is going to be pivotal. we need players get straight into the first team. I can't see us attracting the likes of Eriksen which I would love but without CL it won't happen.
From our transfers under BR so far. its young talent FSG want and as Ayre said 'buying players that will keep winning into the future'.
No experience which we need and I think 1 or 2 should be brought in as the legend that is 'Carra' is retiring which I was told was been offered new contract which did not happen.
Its well documented who is leaving so If I was BR this is what I feel need:
New GK
New Powerhouse CB
New LB
New Bull of DM
We need more pace on the wings
2 New ST: I would even give Michael Ngoo ( Tall, Wirey, Pace) ago up front as he is scoring brilliantly for Hearts.
Lastly I am afraid we will lose the magician that is Luis. yes he wasn't himself last night but that's due to burnout and esp after playing full 90 min for Uruguay. Hope I am wrong but as Stevie said he deserves to play in the champions league and non of us will disagree with that.
Anyway sorry Eds for the long post. just pure on downer all day at work and can only take so much stick from colleagues and had to let it all out.
Mikey LFC
Also forgot to say Balance in the team is one thing we are missing. we need a defensive structure. conceding too many goals. so that will allow our attacking players Go and play the Liverpool Way!
Mikey LFC
12 Feb 2013 20:06:29
For the love of god agger is not world class! What is wrong with people. Weak as my granny and goes to sleep too often. Skertl is too error prone also.
Reina is no longer world class and looks liKe the summer can't come quick enough. Glen johnstone had a poor night but he is normally good. Enrique is like a badly controlled FIFA 2013 computer player. He is never done running down blind areas of the pitch or taking an extra 3 touches. Carra was steady once again.
Lucas had a good game breaking up play and covering back. Stevie g looked tired but the man continues to carry us. I actually thought downing had a good game and is improving. Hendo is getting there as well and looks more confident.
In fairness last night showed how much sturridge was missed. Borini.
He should either be given a run of games or moved on. He has showed nothing although he is stuck out wide or on the bench. He must be half decent!
Gonna put one out there but would big Andy not offer us something completely different? I think so. On the whole were good football but plan be is seriously needed.
Sorry for the rant but I think I will just out the window if I hear the words agger, world class, monster, ball playing centre half in the same sentence.
Frustrated red belly
Was agreeing with you then red belly until you mentioned Andy Carroll!
12 Feb 2013 19:51:42
If this rate of points loss continues I estimate us finishing approx 40-45 points behind Man Utd.
Embarrassed.
12 Feb 2013 19:49:33
What I don't understand is everyone slating the manager? I mean please what more can he do? He's got our team out playing almost every team we play against a few PLAYER mistakes has lost a few points as well as a few things against us. Yeah fair enough that result ain't good enough but we need to keep stability all you anti Rodgers nob heads need to give it a rest. He needs atleast another season.
But what shocked is I swear more people commented on the fact that suarez went down easy more then all the times we deserved a penalty and his disallowed goal!
Please all of you get a grip and have some patience. Bet you lot were waiting for us to have a bad result so you could spam this site with your crap.
Londonred
What complete eyewash, the mans out if his depth. The sooner he goes the better.
Ozone
12 Feb 2013 19:42:04
Its the players that are a problem, we don't have the winning team players that the others have now, no matter who the manager is, when it comes to the league these players will achieve nothing. Most are big time charlie's that maybe here and there will win a cup competition but, that's it. I will support the reds win or lose but this statement is fact not fiction. I know people will disagree but the league table for the last 3-4 years does not lie. Thanks Harls99
12 Feb 2013 19:40:58
Jus seen celtic sing our song and that's how to get the atmosphere gone YNWA JON 96 come red men get the buz bk in ANFIELD
12 feb 2013 19:39:34
just look at the passion celtic are showing lfc fans wake up and take notice
12 Feb 2013 19:37:59
I don't know about you guys but I'm looking forward to Thursday evening, another great European night hopefully for the reds and hope all the after talk is about FOOTBALL ONLY. If you look at most our performances this season we have played great but have not got the results we deserved. Slagging off the players, manager and owners will do nothing, I'd rather get behind the players and judge them and the manager at the end of the season.
Keep your heads up lads,
AsianRed
12 Feb 2013 19:36:58
Ed02
As you are a font of all knowledge what is your take on rodgers? Do you think we need 2 get a defensive coach in? i'm also sure you agree that daniel agger is a weak link in our defence the man can't track his man from corners or set pieces I for one would like 2 see agger replaced in the summer as well as martin & coates. Every fan new rodgers named the wrong team last night how could he play shelvey who has been brutally out of form in the false 9 position borini or sterling should have started ahead of him but borini didn't cover himself in glory when he came on but if he started I feel his intelligent running would have created more space & chances for us in the final 3rd {Ed002's Note - My take is thge same as it has always been it is a job too early for him. I don't know much of the coaching set up at Liverpool but it is Rodgers tactical ideal the players are looking to achieve.}
BR may be a good manager but he is tacticaly poor. Playing a lone striker at Anfield who was mostly out wide and using Shelvey through the middle in support, just didn't make sense to me. The amount of corners we get and crosses always high into the penalty area makes it easy for the defenders. if we are going to play like this we need some strength and height up front. Andy Carroll comes to mind, he may not be able to play Tika Taka but he's good to have in defence and wins high balls in mid field. You only have to look at Van Persie, don't do much in normal play but does what he is paid for scoring and creating goals. I agree with the ed the players are trying to play BR's game, they only follow instructions, but it seems to me the instructions change from game to game. If your going to play a system play it and play your best 11.
Bobbinred
12 Feb 2013 19:27:50
Really frustrated me watching the game last night. Johnson's poorest game in a red shirt, Agger 2nd best for both goals, lost count now how many times Agger, Skrtyl and Johnson have been second to the ball when we've conceded. Work rate off the ball was tremendous but with the ball we were aweful.
Still don't know why in certain games we don't have anyone in the box when attacking.
Borini maybe needs game time but hasn't done anything for me since joining.
Very, very poor. Some of them players need a foot up the ass!
Apologies for being so negative but born of frustration.
I'm going over soon for the West Ham game which will cost a fortune, if they play like that I'll be gutted.
Rush was ace
I think it's to do with zonal marking!
12 Feb 2013 19:27:07
Time was 12 points off 1st place was no way near good enough at this stage of a season never mind 4th, he needs more time to be fair prob at least 2 full seasons but doubt he will get it. There is in my mind something else wrong that goes deep under the skin of the club. We have thrown huge money from various owners at tryin to win league over last 20 odd years with 8 different mangers, there is good 1st team there now and its backwards we are headin so where to go from here, leeds, notts forest and villa are all big clubs that have fallen far from there peak who spent money to no avail, city and chelsea have thrown crazy money at the teams in what looks like short term gain and nearly a dozen mangers each. There is only one example to follow that seems to see off all comers and that is wait give BR his time and a team he builds just like utd did. We have fallen a long way, its a hard climb back to the top. RED2TOE
12 Feb 2013 19:23:30
wow. best fans in the world my ****. now more than ever is the time we need to get behind the players. just as we thought we hit a corner we fall back down again but guess what WE ARE LIVERPOOL FC we GET BACK UP. support the team through thick and thin or don't support at all. its easy to say you're a Liverpool fan when were winning cups and championships but the real fans will stand up and say IAM A LIVERPOOL SUPPORT when we're down for the count. MAN UP all you cry babies MAN UP.
-SLIM
Thank you SLIM at least somebody agrees with me. Don't know if you seen the stick I got for putting up a similar post earlier but I don't care because I will support the club threw thick and thin. This club deserves better fans because as you say WE ARE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.
Cheers,
LS7.
So we can't have an opinion then unless its to blind ourselves to what's happening? who said we are not proud to be Liverpool fans? you sound like a cliche mate! it's because we care that we criticize, and we only do that because we can see what the cause is!
Yes I never said you guys weren't fans but calling for the managers head every time we lose a game isn't supporting the team. Impatience is what I see it as not the lack of fans loving the club.
LS7.
12 Feb 2013 20:43:05
Mate fans made Anfield bounce week and week out for 2o years with hope once our great club will return to top but now fans are tired of mediocrity and their hope is dead.
I meet a lot of fans some have already excepted we are a midtable team, Liverpool have broken hearts of its fans year after year, fans still go to matches despite the club never fulfilled fans expectation. In short Liverpool have Lost Respect, Pride & passion. No opposition teams respect our great club anymore we are called laughing stock by opposition fans and still fans continue supporting our great club with knowing there is no hope
We haven't won a championship in 20 odd years and 1 trophy in 7 years? Point void!
12 Feb 2013 19:10:52
edoo2 how are ya today got over the backlash from lastnigts game yet ha.
just like your thoughts please if liv finish 8 and don't win europa do you think rodgers will keep his job? its a weird one I think the same as you it was maybe a job to soon but sometimes I think he is spot on then he shows that sometimes gets his tactics horribly wrong like one step forward two back. also ed seen this ancholottibthing you found anything out about it?
cheers
mike {Ed002's Note - I don't see plans for the manager to be replaced just yet and I have not had any confirmation of an approach to PSG about Ancelotti by Liverpool.}
12 Feb 2013 19:06:26
Can we have KD back in charge :-)
I wouldn't mind BR and KD together, as KD had a good defensive record, although that was mostly up to Clarke. Rogers has made us a good attacking side. It would just be perfect, but isn't going to happen i'm afraid.
Piledriver
Good god no, don't want him wasting another 100+ million then getting us into a lower position than we are now
RedSpud
12 Feb 2013 19:02:16
Listen guys, how many times this season have we said the champions league is out of reach. Suddenly we crop up with a good run of form, some person within the club states how close we are to champions league, it jinxes us, we lose and we are then back to square 1.
Its a viscious cycle.
There are a million things I could say about the game but that's not what this post is about. In fact there are far too many things I could mention about the game.
The point of this post is that if we just shut up about the champions league, not jinx ourselves and maintain some form and consistency, we might be surprised with the outcome. All is not lost yet so calm the hell down.
Anonymous woolback
12 Feb 2013 19:01:30
BR better field his best team on Thursday as we have nothing else to play for.
It's pathetic that our side with what has been wasted in money terms can only compete at a mid table level.
Our home form is a disgrace and our record against teams above us is awful.
BR does not seem to be able to motivate the players IMO. They know even after a loss it doesn't matter.
Mid table is we're we are, mid table is where will stay until we become a fortress at home, doesn't look likely that will happen anytime soon.
12 Feb 2013 18:56:15
"Death by football" is what Brendan Rodgers told us to expect under his management.
"Death of a once great football club" would have been more appropriate.
We'll bounce back, just not under BR.
Adam
12 Feb 2013 18:40:17
I'm not sure what others think, but I do have to admit I am rapidly losing what faith I had placed in Rodgers. I realize the players are at least partially (if not mostly) to blame for last night, but the anti-Rodgers crowd do have a very valid point with regards to BR thus far spending a fair amount of money for very little return as well as him perhaps having somewhat strange team selections and tactical substitutions. I realize it's always easy to second guess after the fact so perhaps I am being too harsh?
What I do suspect is we'll be out of Europa after next week and it's entirely possible Swans will beat us next PL game as well. If that does happen (and I hope it doesn't, but would not be surprised if it does) what next? If I were the owners and my unfortunate prediction turns true, I'd have to ask BR to resign and instead I'd appoint Borrell as interim manager for the remainder of the season. Sometimes when things aren't working, you just have to change things up and I think anyone would be hard pressed to show exactly what BR has done thus far that has actually worked.
I want Rodgers to succeed but I'd love to see Borrell given a go, I think his track record at Barca, Liverpool merits him to be given an opportunity in management.
Plymouth Red.
Seems to me we should have gone for Laudrup!
12 Feb 2013 18:34:01
Watched the game last night and the only comment I will make is that we really missed Sturridge. He has made a huge difference since he got here. We were screaming for a 2nd striker last night.
Borini either needs more game time to get fit and score some goals so he is a decent back up or we need another striker in the summer.
Gazza
Nice post Gazza. Less hate, and more measured constructive criticism needed lads.
Bigbadben
12 Feb 2013 18:28:33
Last night's game. When Steve Clark was in charge of our defense last season we were solid as a rock at the back. Last night they defended well and the keeper had a blinder. They did not deserve to win, but they took 2 of the three chances they had and defended well.
Spot on! We have always defended well but it's been awful this season
I idolise Kenny, but, to be fair, our defence definitely was not great last season, especially at Anfield.
Red Owl
12 Feb 2013 18:07:14
Terrible last night, not the best team selection up front, but how about this. I'll explain, we need more strength in midfield, more of an attacking presence, someone who can get into double figures and create chances from midfield, OK. This season is pretty much dependent on Europa league, so why not try Suarez as an attacking mid and play Sturidge and borini up front, that is a very impressive front line and could be added to in the summer,
What does everyone think?
kevc
12 Feb 2013 18:07:04
I don't think Liverpool are a team that have a right to win every game. We can always go back to tradition, and say that we must win every game. Only 1 or 2 teams have this right, and they are where they should be (At the top, and in Manchester). So let's not try and hope for more than is possible. Yes, I was saying 4th is possible earlier in the month, but as the league is so tight, that is an impossibility now. i'm just hoping we can put together a good run in the Europa League, as that is something which is in our hands, and be something to look forward to.
Piledriver
We are so inconsistent and so have no chance in Europe.
12 Feb 2013 17:59:21
hope borini starts as the main striker against zenit so he can show all of you so called fans what he can do!
I don't think we're going to have a lot of choice. I can't see Suarez flying to Zenit and playing after being to Doha less than a week ago plus he clearly needs a game off. Sturridge is cup tied and possibly injured as is Coutinho. Do we have any other option?
I'm sure the fans that have voiced their concern at Borini's poor form so far would also love to see him play well against Zenit!
12 Feb 2013 17:55:00
Great performance by westbrom, done what most smaller teams do that watch u, contain for 70 mins then break for the last 15 mins its as simple as that!
BR is a total joke, all real Liverpool fans know this (i am not one)
What a load of guff he talked after the game too about how he can't fault the players as they were terrific, i'm sorry but ain't that the best time to hammer it home? all he does it give your players the next excuse to not perform when another smaller team go's to anfield and wins! I mean come on its anfield not the DW or Villa park.
Your club is falling quicker than a rock in water, you should of never appointed that muppet who has now stole a living off Martinez and Sousa's work at swansea!
Im sure you will all hammer me for this as i'm a utd fan and your bitterness will out way your judgements but i'm sorry but as much as you dnt wanna see it all the evidence is there, other than sturridge (who I must admit has been a revelation which I didn't think he would be) what players has he brought to your club that has made you better? in fact he made it plain and simple that he didn't want most off the players KD signed, now what has happened? he is now turning to them players to dig you out of a whole, is it any coincedence you now have looked more solid without HIS players and with Carra back and Lucas allowing Gerrard to push up higher?
I wonder what KD is making of all this, in fact although he was no where near the answer to your problems at all, at least he put the team first before his own ego, I mean honestly a manager with a portrait of HIMSELF in his own front room lol.
So all in all I am very happy and hope BR stays for along time but in truth I expect him to managing relegation candidates within 3 years.
Chris the REDman
Hi Chris - over here as well eh? Go and have a conversation with Walt! he is more your level. Oh, by the way - I'll have a hovis too
Puzzled
12 Feb 2013 19:22:57
Hey Chris, that portrait was given to him by a charity in Swansea that gave it to him for all the work and money he donated to them.
I am glad he has it up on his wall, because he would be a total person if he took the sign of gratitude and stored it in his attic.
Jolly Red
Ure all happy then my mistake!
funny few agree's there, but I must of pushed them hey?
First post on your own site for a while puzzled.
Chris the REDman
Chris
Taking aside our rivalry and banter that goes with it, I have to agree with your comments. Sometimes it takes an outsider to really see what's going on.
I didn't like the appointment, can't stand Rodgers body language and complete insincerity and believe he is a total egotist based on no achievement whatsoever. He will only make us worse!
Derek
Derek, your spot on there with the body language. It says it all.
Ozone
12 Feb 2013 17:47:29
In the late 70's and 80's I'd listen to the radio and if Liverpool were 0 -0 with ten minutes to go you knew they would get a late winner - you just KNEW. And they did - time and time again. Now there is another team that do it - all the time, I won't mention them here. Last night - at 0-0 even after about 50 mins I had an awful feeling it wasnt going to happen - we don't have the culture and absolute belief to get over the line - you can moan about the players, you can moan about the manager, you can moan about the owners but the reality is the team right now is not strong enough between the ears. The players know that at Arsenal they gave away a 2 goal lead and for half hour couldn't cope with Wilshere and Co, they know that they gave away a one goal lead against Man City - and they knew last night that it was getting more difficult as the game went on - in fact they almost became desperate - and then a penalty - given the above how much pressure was on Stevie G, and for once he didn't deliver - that's just sport - its just the way it goes. 80 mins before they had a shot?. football is a game of such fine margins, on another day we score the pen and control the remainder of the game - but sh1t happens. I really think we need to keep the manager - I cannot believe him or the players just shrug and walk away afterwards - do you really believe that? I bet they were devastated after the game. Let the manager instill the belief, keep faith with the majority of players, get some consistency in team selection and management and we may see more improved performances and improved consistency. Change the manager and players again and someone else has to start all over again - to me that's pointless. But its about opinions isn't it.
Terry Mac
Manager needs to bang a few heads, or throw a few teacups. Not sure he has the bottle to do it though.
Red Knight
12 Feb 2013 17:45:01
What the stats say is the managers doing his job the final score says the players aren't doing theres
12 Feb 2013 17:41:28
Hi fellow reds. Having endured last nights game a few thoughts came to mind, wonder if anyone has thought the same.
Firstly despite his insistence at loving the club i'm sure Suarez would love champions league football more. Liverpool are 4 or 5 seasons away from that at present and there is a real chance he will leave. Probably for the same price as Torres. So the question is who will want to come to the club? You could get 2 quality replacements for 20-25 mil each but who? No one wants to play for a team not in the champions league and realistically not in the Europa league either. So that leaves over priced mediocre players that will not advance the club.
And second, what does everyone think of the way BR has done so far. I for one think with what he has had to work with he has done OK. Only one recognised striker for the first half of the season, a very young back up set of players and a generally mediocre squad have made it difficult, yet at times things have gone well. Big concern is this may be as good as it gets for several more seasons, the more we are out of the Champions league the harder it will be to get in, and i'm afraid it will probably be without Saurez.
What is "with what he has had to work with he has done OK" supposed to mean?
He got a world class spine in the team in agger, gerrard, suarez and a lot of other pretty good players like johnson, lucas, skrtel and 40million+
kitty to spend which he wasted. performance in the league and cups have been awful as has been BR's performance.
By not showing a name the original poster invites these other no-namers to crawl out
Puzzled
12 Feb 2013 17:40:25
Are you not concerned?
We have won 9 league games, it was Sept 29th before we won our first league game! We are out of both domestic cups. Look at each Rodgers signing, what impact have they made?
Look at Rodgers CV he is not the man to lead us out of the mire he is though the perfect candidate to make things worse!
You have to ask what Fsg seen in Rodgers to give him the job. Was it to save a few million a year on his wages compared to a more established manager? I have always questioned why he got the job, I just didn't understand it. To me it was baffling and still is.
The Irish Rover
A more experienced manager like Roy Hodgson or Dalglish you mean? Both had more experienced players and didn't do that much better so calm it
12 Feb 2013 19:14:32
do you have only 2 names as experienced managers??
strange.
I think it could be easily argued that bothhad done better than Rodgers.
The Irish Rover
When Dalglish took over the club was at its lowest point in many many years. We were alsmost finished as a club. In 2012 Dalglish took us to WEMBLEY 3 times, beat everton in the semi finals and ended up in TWO finals, of which we won one. He also qualified us for Europe and ended up 8th in the league. IN HIS FIRST SEASON. Beg to differ but he did one hell of a lot better than Rogers has done in his first season.
But we have what we have so let's just get behind the manager, and see where it takes us.
Tel 1949
12 Feb 2013 17:31:16
I have to admit last night was a terrible result, however, you could hear a pin drop - even in the first half!
If we want to see performance improvements we NEED to play our part as fans and get behind the team! Even more so when times are tougher!
DJ
I fully agree. The fans who attended last night didn't deserve any more than what they got. The atmosphere was dire, just like it is most home games, you can always hear more voice coming from the away supporters.
I know it's a bit of a vicious circle, fans respond to exciting football, and the players respond to great vocal support. I think all those who seem quite happy to have a good moan when results don't go our way should take a look in the mirror first ( I appreciate not everyone has the opportunity to attend ). I personally feel as though our performances away from home this season have been a lot lot better than home games. Why? Try listening to our away support, they out sing 40k at home.
BigBadD
I have seen more life in a morgue
Half they Kop was on its way out at 1 -0
12 Feb 2013 17:14:42
I think it's time for a reality check after last night. Top 4 now out of the question, next season not even in europe because we won't finish high enough in the league and we have no chance of winning europa cup this season. After Thursday our season could already be over, sad but true
fforestfach red
12 Feb 2013 17:05:37
Now that dust has settled from last night.
I think we need to learn to storm the box. A bunch of balls going in there and the only man inside was often Shelvey, who unfortunately possesess neither the skill or instinct to poach a goal. Suarez was everywhere, and no where. Sturridge would have really helped. Not sure what to make of Borini, though I am a supporter if for no other reason than I think Borini sounds like a successful footballing name.
I hope we put a strong team up against Zenit. Surely BR has accepted we are not challenging for top 4 in PL.
I asked earlier in the season if anyone thought we would top West Brom this season. The question still stands. And I will ask another: Does anyone think we'll get 50 points?
I am not being pessimistic as I never thought we would be a finished product this season, but I would REALLY APPRECIATE a run in the Europa league. Something (anything!) to smile about.
Coop
Finally. someone who talks sence!
i agree with everything your saying mate, can't see us beating Zenit though tbh.
Mati. d
12 Feb 2013 16:57:39
Too much negative banter going on. I don't understand it. The lads aren't so bad, just not particularly good and playing football.
Personally, I think Coutinho will make a difference. I have never seen him play, but I am biased towards players from Brazil, particularly if their name ends in an o. Anybody remember Ronaldinho?
Can't wait to see us dismember Zenit! Hopefully our new Brazilian doesn't mind the cold. or BR will have a new excuse on his hands!
Coutinho and sturridge cup tied
And Suarez really needs a game off. Uruguayan FA did us no favors there.
12 Feb 2013 16:50:11
i don't know why poeple are blaming players for yesterday. we were playing so well recently I was gutted with the last night result and I know ed 001 will disagree with me but BR really messed it up last night. if sturridge was out than his like to like replacement was borini (who I think was playing well last night he was getting into good position) but instead shelvey was played at front three. all our attack were coming from the right side where downing was playing.
at the end of first half when downing delivered a low cross (it was a great cross) from which steven reid almost scored an own goal shelvey and suarez were no where near the the six yard box that is where we needed another striker in the starting eleven who could have made the run at get to the end of it. that is why I feel borini should have started. I agree with ed 02 BR is good coach but he is not experienced. but I will still wait for the end of the season if we can get a good run in europe and finish at 6 or above than we can stick with BR otherwise we should look at alternatives.
Ayush
I agree with you mate! Boring or Suarez should have been the central striker last night with Henderson behind. We had nothing coming down the left hand side, sterling should have started this game. Poor poor tactics from BR. Also Glen Johnson was really poor I would have taken him off.
PJ
12 Feb 2013 16:26:46
I'd love if football went back to producing good players from the academy rather than buying players. I suspect we could be a lot further up the table if this was the case.
Apparently the under 21's got beat by a under strength spurs team as well yesterday!!
Perhaps it was just a bad day at the office for all then!. it happens - just got to suck it up and get on.
Terry Mac
12 Feb 2013 17:38:36
We take our youth players from other acdemies anyway. We would only have Robinson, Flanagan etc.
Plenty of bad days at the office this season Terry Mac!
The Irish Rover
12 Feb 2013 19:22:49
in the 70's and 80's we bought near enough all of our best players in, just a thought
kev from skem
12 Feb 2013 16:23:15
Ive just met Robbie Fowler in Tesco in Heswall!
Oh my God, LEGEND!!
FowlerisGod
I live in Heswall!
12 Feb 2013 16:09:08
Edd002, out of curiousity who would you thought to have been ideal to replace KK last summer?
Big Al {Ed002's Note - Didier Deschamps was available and I think would have been a sound choice.}
12 Feb 2013 16:11:55
Sorry to rub salt in the wounds but I don't think this Coutinho is what he is cracked up to be. He was bought by Inter because he had potential. That did not materialise and that is why he was loaned out last season to Espanyol. That did nothing for him and this season has not figured in Inters first team. The question is: Did Brendan actually go and watch him before spending £8m on him or did he think just because he was at Inter he must be half decent?
I doubt given our track record of recruiting over the past 12-24 months we would have assumed Coutinho was good due to the fact he played for Inter. Give the lad a chance - he's played 20 minutes so far.
Having said that, after he came on everthing fell to pieces!
DJ
I know last night was disappointing, but this post is simply insulting.
Red Owl
He had a very good season at espanyol and most inter fans were more worried about seeing coutinho go than sneijder
NO It is a fair question BR did not go and watch Borini again before buying him in the Summer but relied on what he had seen when he worked with him at Swansea. Look how he has turned out.
12 Feb 2013 19:19:09
Countinho is one for the future.
to the second poster.
we have been very much lenient enough to give player lots and lots of time.
I hope you said the same thing a while ago when borini or downing was performing.
dude its 53 games. and downig have scored 1 goal.
that could go down to the record book of being the worst winger in decades.
Coutunho looks like a great little player. but the "little" is the bit that bothers me these days, we have a glut of midgets at the mo. countinho probably shat himself when he saw chris brunt et al
kev from skem
12 Feb 2013 16:05:22
Hi guys - doubt it's your area but I notice a lot of 'Reina is probably leaving to try and push for that no. 1 Spain spot'. Is it a recent phenomenon that you really have to be in Spain to get in the Spanish first team, or is it something Spain have always done (I do accept that by and large it is true)
12 Feb 2013 15:50:52
10 minutes on the pitch for sturridge last night would have given us more of a chance than that shower last night a bit upset mick dublin
12 Feb 2013 15:25:58
I went to the game last night and got criticised by somebody for giving Glen Johnson some stick but my argument is if I pay my money I am allowed to criticize. I thought Johnsons performance was the worst by any Liverpool player this season. He couldn't even pass it five yards and for a pro that is simply not good enough.
I also thought Gerrard and Suarez was awful. We are simply consistently inconsistent.
Our mental attitude is just not good enough and we are an easy touch when things turn against us. Our delivery from wide positions is awful and this needs to be addressed. Johnson's final ball is shocking and he should be dropped.
Fairplay to Agger with what he as come out and admitted he was not good enough last night. Maybe if a few more had the guts then we can see the team move forward.
Very rare I criticize but last night was a disgrace.
Mighty reds
I'd disagree, not being one of those eternal optimist/you're not a real fan if you boo type person but you pay to go because you want to support the team.
surely you don't pay (a handsome fee) to give a player stick? All that does is contribute to the dirge atmosphere at anfield during games like those last night.
Think of it from a player's perspective:
You're playing poorly, things aren't going your way and you hear a fan confirm your insecurities "You're $#!^ you are!". What's that going to acheive, do you want himto march off home and rethink his life?
instead, what if he comes for a throwin and a fan (or more) shouted some encouragement? Told him to keep going? That's what's going to help, that's what will drive him on if he has any decency about him.
All this "I've paid to come so I'll say what I want" can get a bit out of hand, I'd say you were rightfully criticised for your comments.
misterdrumz
You have critisized Gerrard all season claiming he needed to be benched.
12 Feb 2013 15:18:01
Hi everyone just thought I would send a post the game was bad yesterday nearly all the team played bad. Top 4 is now out of our reach which is disappointing but you have to all ask yourself this, even if Liverpool made top 4 how far would we go? I think we wouldn't last two minutes because even if we qualified I bet the owners wouldn't splash the cash. This is from a Liverpool fan being realistic y. n. w. a
If we did get CL then that would be enough to attract top players to the club. And who knows with those new additions we could go far in the CL. However, this conversation is irrelevant as we will not be back in the CL for a very long time and we will keep opening the door to those average players to ensure that we succeed in reaching a top half finish season after season. Because apparently that is PROGRESS.
Red Lee
12 Feb 2013 14:49:07
Ed do you believe we are moving in the right direction as a team? Do you think Rodgers is the man for the job?
Answer Please. {Ed002's Note - I gave my opinion on Rodgers when he was appoint - it is perhaps a job too early for him. Nothing has changed in my view.}
I think Rodgers problem is that he refuses to play a different system other than his beloved 433, we should be playing Rafa's system of 4231, also we have no Plan B, but I think he will defiantly be given until the end of next season to change things around and hopefully he can as he seems a really nice bloke and speaks highly of the club.
BigD
LIverpool did play 4-2-3-1 last night then changed to 4-4-2 when Borini came on?
12 Feb 2013 14:34:40
Did anyone else notice last night that, when Rodgers was interviewed, the interviewer asked his thoughts on the penalty decision and pushed that Suarez made the most of it? It may be correct that he did but I rarely see that question being asked to a manager regarding any other player.
J-L
Sorry mate, it gets asked after every game. Every major decision is questioned irrespective of the player. And in my view that one was not a penalty. I am a bluenose though.
Degsypulford
12 Feb 2013 14:31:46
Its not the chances we created, or even the penalty gerrard missed. For me its down to rodgers signings not helping the team except sturridge. there would always be days when our key players would struggle that's where the subs are meant to come in. our bench is filled with non impact players who just go with the flow when we are struggling rather than change it.
What most fans forget is we said the same about hendo and downing last year, why not give borini and allen time before writing them off as flops.
Rodgers is a young manager with this being his second year in the league. its very easy to say its his fault. were this not the same players who played against city and arsenal?he has made some mistakes but the players let us down, even suarez gerrard and johnson was poor
The players should take responsibilty, nobody went into the box they stood outside the 18 yard box making it easy for westbrom to defend. nobody taking up good positions when suarez drifts wide, that's why borini and sterling should have started they make those runs that give suarez place to weave his magic
Blame the manager when a teams comes to anfield and dominates us, not when they have four shots and score two. like he was the one that told agger to loose his man for their first and let lukaku go past him easliy for their second. he even whispered to gerrard to miss the pk
KUNLE
12 Feb 2013 14:31:02
I like Lucus as a person but he reminds me of Ray Wilkins, to much side to side and backwards passing and not enough going forward. We are missing a young Didi Hamann in that position someone who not only breaks up play but scores an important goal or two.
Murton Red
I'm guessing you missed his through ball to suarez against norwich.
Lil Red
I agree and think Joe Allen is the same.
Degsypulford
I dident miss that pass at all just with he would do more of it. I am not saying I would get rid of him his is a good squad player I just don't think he should be a first team regular
Murton red
12 Feb 2013 14:25:45
Why oh why did rodgers revert back to the 4231 when it is prtty clear we produce better with the 433,. the recent form had me thinking we would walk over the brom but now top4 is looking an impossible task this season,, but let's look towards europa eh
Thought the same thing mate, the only thing I can think of is that he trusts shelvey behind suarez over borini and suarez. Also Very strange decision to play a monday night game with a thursday Europa game the same week. Thought we looked leggy last night, thursday night wel be lucky if some of the players aren't asleep by half time.
The formation was not the problem it was the fact he choose to play Shelvey in place of the injured Sturridge, he should of played either Borini or Sterling.
BigD
12 Feb 2013 14:15:26
To those anonymous posters who called me a 'clown' yesterday for saying we are moving in the right direction. When I said about those teams losing and moving on, they can do this because the fans see it as a once-off and move on. How on earth are we supposed to move on when our own fans are against our team? If you want our team to move forward, support them, just like the fans of the teams doing better than us at the moment, because they get behind their team - win, lose or draw. We will never progress as a team if our own fans are turning on us. And if your not happy go support United or Chelsea because they've got all the money they want to buy the Premier League title. Don't agree with me? I have no problem with that because I know with Rodgers as manager we are moving in the right direction.
Rant over.
LS7.
12 Feb 2013 14:48:15
i think you mean city or chelsea, also we have spent as much money as anyone so cut that lame excuse out, we just haven't spent wise, none of our recent managers have and that's why we are where we are.
With Rodgers as a manager we are moving in the right direction - don't make me laugh. We are in a worse position than last season, we haven't beaten ANY team above us in the league, we are out of both domestic cup competitions and his transfers have been a complete flop - you call that moving in the right direction?
Well said mate.
I squirmed with the boos last night, it made me sick to the pit of my stomach.
This is a message to the day tripper fan, right, put down your cameras, stop talking about Coronation Street and give us more than a little clap of the soft hands when something good happens.
Some of the lizards I see at the games now makes me sick.
Support is more than buying a Liverpool mug and keyring from the club shop.
Listen.
DaveyBootle
Again with buying the league. 60m spent vy rodgers? Not enough money for you? 3rd biggest spender since the bpl started, not. enough money to compete with the big boyd? Get a grip
How are we moving in the right direction exactly? We are 9th in the table and out of both domestic cups. We can't take last nights result as a one off because it isnt. We lose to clubs that historically we have been expected to beat on an increasingly regular basis.
The only one of Brendan Rodgers signings that has made any positive impression on the team so far is Sturridge. Allen, Borini, Assaidi and Sahin have failed to add anything and obviously the jury is out on Coutinho.
I think we need to significantly improve results over the remaining dozen fixtures and finish in the top six or FSG will have no alternative but to progress Rodgers out of the door.
Norfolk Red
12 Feb 2013 15:26:13
Did ye go last night lad?
Waro
Stuck as I am in the pit that is the midlands I am surrounded by BAggies fans - some were at the game and the rest watched the TV. They all agree that we battered them, Foster had a good game and it was a total smash and grab.
If one or two had gone in all the whingers would have nothing to say. We are going in the right direction - we needed an out and out goalscorer -we got one - it worked -he was out injured and the lack of threat was highlighted again.
We will get more in the summer - I suggest everyone calms down - Rome was not built in a day.
REDditch
Thank you DaveyBootle for the support but it looks like we are never going to win against this negative bunch! OK so we have bought 60m worth of players will you guys please give them a chance to prove themselves? Borini has been injured most of the season and is just lacking confidence. Assaidi hasn't been given a chance to prove himself. Allen single-handedly carried us at the beginning of the season. Sturridge has been brilliant. Coutinho hasn't even played a full game yet. And you say we wasted 60m? Out of them signings Assaidi is the oldest aged 24. They are ones for the future. I said 1000 times already that we are in a transition period so don't give me that cr*p that we have not done great this season so Rodgers should be sacked. As I said we are playing great football and have had a few bad results and performances, but what do you expect in a transition period? So get behind the team because I for one want the club to move forward, and that isn't going to happen if we sack a manager every time we have a bad game. I know what I'm talking about, I'm not living in a fantasy world like a lot of you where we have been challenging for the title every year because we're not. We will get there eventually but for now get behind the team while it moves forward.
LS7.
Here's a better question.
Would you rather stay mid table for the next 10 years by changing managers every year
OR
Would you rather have one season of transformation and then challenge for the top 4 by sticking with Rodgers?
Because from what I can see, most of you clearly want the first option.
LS7.
Thank you REDditch too. The difficult task now is trying to convince the rest of these posters!
LS7.
And from what I can see you are saying BR is a dead cert to get us into the top 4. I don't think he will.
Adam
LS7 why are you confident that we will be challenging for top 4 next year? Is it the 9 games that we have won out of 26 so far in the PL? Have you seen that we are 29 points behind Utd at the top but only 13 ahead of QPR at the bottom and only 9 points from the relegation zone? I would love to see signs of improvement under BR. I long to see the team I have supported for over 40 years back at the top and I do believe that the right man to take us back will need time and the backing of the Club and fans alike. However the longer BR is in charge the less confidence I have in him. He is undoubtedly a good man who is giving his all but i'm starting to think this was just a job too soon for him.
Yes I agree with the last poster that I t may be too soon for him but he will eventually grow into the job and when he does we will move forward. What part of 'transition period' do you not understand though? We are obviously going to be shaky for the first season but once the players are used to the way Brendan wants us to play, things will be looking up for us. The signs of improvement are there and I am confident we will be challenging for the top 4 next season. I'm basing this on the season as a whole not just the bad games.
LS7.
12 Feb 2013 17:07:51
LS7 are you kid or new to football your trying to defend Rodgers without any facts here are some questions for you
1) Why Rodgers continues to play last year team which finished 8th
2) After spending 60M why only sturridge is in first xi
3) If we are in transition as you say then why all the time Rodgers says we will finish in top4
4) After last year when we finished 8th we needed players to improve us and move us foward where are the players who were bought for 60M to improve us and move us foward
5) As you say it will take time as players are young or not ready then why spend more then 60M and wait instead of giving chances to our own youngsters
6) Where is the proof we are progressing we are worst then last year we have spent 60M and still gone backwards if this same happens next year are you still going to defend Rodgers or his signings
7) There is nothing to do with age here are some young players for you
Hazard
Oscar
Chicarito
Jackwilshere
Sturridge I can go on and on
8) What has Rodgers done in his career we fans should trust him because till now he looks out of his depth
9) Last year finishing 8th and winning trophy after 5-6 years was not good enough then why should we expect aything below that
10)Would any top team hire Rodgers who has only 1 year of experience in premier league or you want we should blindly trust him
First of all I want to say none of this would have come about had we of won yesterday so don't all of a sudden say I don't know what I'm talking about because I'm sure most of you would have heaped praise on Rodgers rather than hate.
Ok to the last poster.
All of a sudden I'm new to football just because I believe in our manager and I'm trying to support the club? No its because I want us all to believe in Rodgers because the last thing he needs right now is people getting on his back he needs our support. I'll answer some of the questions I feel are worth answering for you.
1)Not worth answering, new manager new tactics, Players improving.
2)Borini only back, Allen out of form, Coutinho only arrived, Assaidi not sure really, Yesil u21's.
3)He believes in his players, wants to give them confidence, etc.
4)Same as no. 2
5)He obviously feels these are the players who will improve the squad, otherwise he wouldn't have bought them.
6)Shouldn't even have to explain this, we played half a season without an out-and-out striker.
7)What sort of wages are they on? Ok maybe Oscar is only on 40k a week but so is Coutinho, similar players.
8)Give him a chance for god sake he hasn't even completed a full season yet! When he was appointed he and the owners said he was brought in for the long-term which is the reason for him not being an instant success!
9)Transition Period
10) We are a top team for one. How would I know if other teams would take him? Ferguson was not exactly the best manager in the world when he took over at United. United took a risk in appointing him, just like we took a risk on Rodgers. Not trying to compare the two, just saying given time, Rodgers could very well turn out to be a success. If we sack him he could end up being the one that got away.
Now you lot may think I'm talking a load of bull but this is my opinion, all I'm asking is that you support the team and manager. Sacking another manager isn't going to help. And there is no guarantees that a new manager would do any better than Rodgers. Finally, don't refer to me as a kid or someone new to football because I have played for Shamrock Rovers who have been in Europe and have been involved in football my whole life. I have supported Liverpool from a very young age, growing up in a house full of United supporters. So there's my opinion. Rant Over.
LS7.
LS7, just 2 points as an outsider (United fan)
1) Liverpool are the 3rd top spenders in EPL history (above United!) and have spent as much if not more than most clubs (excluding Chelsea/City) in recent times. So if it was as easy as 'buying the league' Liverpool would have won quite a few EPL titles with the fortunes they've spent.
2) You talk about a '1 year transition' but did you not follow L'pool for the last 3 to 4 years? Perhaps you are talking dog years I'm not sure.
Gav
Fair play ls7. but don't expect much reason from the haters. but hey ho, i thought i'd pass comment on the last reply:
1) why rodgers continues to play last year team which finished 8th
mmm, maybe because they are lfc players, and short of changing an entire squad, surely you would expect to see some familiar faces. (some of whom he seems to have playing better than last year. )
2) after spending 60m why only sturridge is in first xi
injury. future investment. rest. out of form. squad rotation. which particular game are you refering to?
3) if we are in transition as you say then why all the time rodgers says we will finish in top4
optimism?aiming high? setting goals? or would you prefer that all our opponents are told by our own manager that we are 'in transition'?
4) after last year when we finished 8th we needed players to improve us and move us foward where are the players who were bought for 60m to improve us and move us foward
a bunch of 30 somethings on 90k+ a week replaced by a bunch of hungry youngsters? step back?
5) as you say it will take time as players are young or not ready then why spend more then 60m and wait instead of giving chances to our own youngsters
perhaps some of the players we have bought are more ready than the likes of of ibe and teixeira, by a year or so. perhaps lfc are constantly looking to the future?.
6) where is the proof we are progressing we are worst then last year we have spent 60m and still gone backwards if this same happens next year are you still going to defend rodgers or his signings
struggling with the backwards bit. presumably kk spending around 100m and finishing lower than the previous season means we went backwards last season as well. and before waro jumps in, check my posts, i have never knocked kenny, i just dislike the sugar daddy culture of 'i want it all. now. '
7) there is nothing to do with age here are some young players for you
hazard
oscar
chicarito
jackwilshere
sturridge i can go on and on
i don't need to comment on this one, it sounds like youve argued against yourself.
8) what has rodgers done in his career we fans should trust him because till now he looks out of his depth
admittedly, if he was in the deep end of the swimming baths, he would look out of his depth, but in the meantime, he is our manager. dislike him all you want, but not sure why you distrust him?
9) last year finishing 8th and winning trophy after 5-6 years was not good enough then why should we expect aything below that
who says you have to? you're bitching about how dire everything is, but considering our manager is out of his depth, we shouldn't trust him, we've wasted money, tiki taki is sheep, no plan b, stars like joe cole have left, and yet i suspect (and i'll hold my hands up if i'm wrong), i think we might manage a bit better than 8th.
10)would any top team hire rodgers who has only 1 year of experience in premier league or you want we should blindly trust him
nobody is blindly trusting him. the problem may be with blind hate.
he may ultimately fail at lfc, but i suggest you do a little research on current top mangers in europe, and former lfc managers.
some of them seemed to have fairly modest backgounds prior to becoming successful.
probably wasted my time there, but let's keep the faith ;)
bigbadben
I'll admit I was wrong when I said it was 'buying' the title Gav I was just caught up in the moment. What I really meant was if fans want instant success and want all the glory then go support United so I'm sorry if the wrong message got across. I respect your views as an outsider and they are welcome. On your second point I know we haven't been up in the top 4 for 3/4 years but we have been changing managers every year which is the reason we are not progressing. With Rodgers in charge we should give him a '1 year transition period'. I don't know whether you didn't understand what I said or whether you read it wrong or something but just clearing that up for you.
Again thank you for your input and your views Gav and I hope that shows you where I'm coming from. Also Gav I think you'll agree with me that the reason Fergie was so successful was because he was given time. Just out of curiosity would you agree Gav? Cheers mate just to get a United's supporter's view on where I'm coming from.
LS7.
Haha cheers bigbadben! All I know is we are right! Sacking Rodgers will get us nowhere and we are clearly improving. Who's to say we won't win our next 10 games? It's not likely but who knows?! We will never convince the haters but I'd rather argue my point than just let it slide and let the haters rule the page. I'm sure a lot will agree that we will never move forward with people who constantly criticise the manager. I don't care what the circumstances are I will always support the manager, the players and whoever is at the club as long as they are here. I'm sure you will agree bigbadben! ;)
Cheers,
LS7.
12 Feb 2013 22:11:11
LS7 yeah and ok don't win you matches neither win you titles you haven't properly answered any question there. Your trying to force people to back Rodgers without any facts I repeat without any facts.
Comparing Fergie to Rodgers is rediculous you need to find some information mate
Fergie was already prooven manager he had won lost of titles with Aberdeen including european trophy beating the likes of real madrid.
You failed to answer even after spending more then 60M we are worst then last year and why his signings are warming the bench instead of helping the team what makes you think giving him more money will buy right players considering only sturridge is in our first xi
Why continues playing Dalglish team instead of his players who were deemed better than Dalglish signings
What manager will play shelvey as striker instead of Borini.
Why play suarez left when he is 2nd top scorer in the league and play shelvey out and out striker when sturridge is injured
Nope not because we lost yesterday that's why we are questioning Rodgers, a lot of fans have been questioning his signings and his appointment, maybe your new to the site.
If manager like Dalglish and Roy got sake who have done better then Rodgers then why Rodgers should be different
The days of transition are over in modern footy you just need to see tom werner interview he made it clear that champions league is very, very important in order to move Liverpool foward anything less is falure, they have given enough money to Rodgers to achieve top4 we have spent more then spurs, arsenal, everton, united etc and still we are sitting 9th in the table.
Rodgers is very, very weak manager his game is base on style then tactics.
LS7
As a United fan I am a big believer in stability and consistency, for obvious reasons. So I do agree (although I wouldn't have necessarily given BR the job) he surely deserves a bit of time to prove his worth. Anyways, it's not like there will be a queue of top managers looking to take the job currently (no offence meant) and it would mean starting from scratch yet again.
I see what you mean about '1 year transistion' sorry if I pounced on it, lol, it's just 'transition' is a word that seems to have been used over and over in recent times at Pool. When you see certain clubs like Spurs, Swansea and West Brom do so well with new managers it does sometimes makes the whole 'transition' theory seem a bit of a myth.
Rogers deserves another season IMO but he would have to prove himself (at least push for 4th and do well in one cup) otherwise face the inevitable sack by sumer 2014.
Gav
1. Ok first of all how exactly can I 'force' people to back Rodgers? How many times do I have to say it, that is my opinion I said support the club and to do that you have to support the manager.
2. I thought I made it clear by saying the exact words 'I'm not trying to compare the two'? But I suppose by looking for any form of negativity in my post you obviously ignored that.
3. You say I don't present any facts. where are your facts to say Rodgers is a bad manager?
4. Fair point about Ferguson but before he went to United he wasn't exactly in the top criteria of managers. United could have went for a far bigger name in European Football at the time but believed that Fergie was the right man for the job. Just as we did with Rodgers only he hasn't had the chance to prove himself on the bigger stage just yet. Give him time is all I'm saying he's only 40 and is still learning.
5. I never said a thing about giving him more money. Even if we did he couldn't buy the 'top class' players we all crave or we would be on the verge of administration again!
6. Have you seen Jordan Henderson playing this season? Basically what your saying is just because he was a Dalglish signing we should leave him out. Sorry buddy that's not the way it works. There are many reasons why Rodgers' signings haven't played so often e. g. injury, form, confidence etc.
7. Shelvey played as a striker because of Borini lacking confidence and fitness to last a full 90 minutes.
8. Suarez played most of his career on the right of a front 3. Plus the front 3 changed as the match progressed, Suarez did play down the middle for some of the game.
9. Yes as I said, fan'S' (with a capital S!) are on Rodgers back. They may have questioned his appointment/signings from the beginning, but if everything had turned out a success would they still be calling for his head? Nope.
10. Hodgson done better than Rodgers? Are we on about the same Hodgson who almost got us relegated?! Dalglish was brought in to steady the ship, Rodgers was brought in for a 'long-term project' as the owners put it.
11. Yes and as the owners said from the start it is very important which is the reason they appointed Rodgers. They didn't expect to make it in his first season but brought him in so that he could bring us back to the level of football so that we can bring the glory days back for good not just for one season.
12. So just because he likes his team playing a nice passing game with relentless attacking football, he's a very weak manager?! If he knew nothing about tactics he wouldn't have become a manager and more importantly wouldn't be the manager of LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.
Lastly, can you put a name on your post please, not because I'm p*ssed of with you (I'm actually quite enjoying the banter!), but just so I can address your questions with a name please. I hope this answers your questions for you if not well I suppose there's always going to be one person who doesn't like a manager (not you in particular just in general)!
Cheers mate,
LS7.
Cheers Gav.
That's exactly what I'm trying to say!
To be honest before Rodgers was appointed all I knew was he done brilliantly with Swansea and if I'm being totally honest, Didier Deschamps was my first choice. However Rodgers is in charge now and we must support him (even though a United fan I'm sure you agree). And as you say stability and consistency are key which will only be achieved by actually sticking with a manager.
I see what you mean and I totally agree that not many top managers would come to the club to replace Rodgers. It's a shame I know but it is the harsh reality. And as you say starting all over again doesn't help.
Haha it's grand mate maybe I did bring the 1 year transition thing into it a bit much. Maybe I should just refer to it as a stability period if that makes it better haha. The only reason I bring this into it though is because ever since Benitez was sacked (which was wrong in my opinion) we haven't actually stuck with a manager. From 1998 to 2010 we had 2 managers. From 2010 to 2012 we've had 3. Says it all really which is why I bring the stability period thing into it, just to settle us down and build from here.
Yes I agree that next season he will definitely have to be there or thereabouts to stay on as manager, unless he has an extremely good reason for not achieving it. Otherwise as you say he could unfortunately get the sack.
Cheers Gav, its been great getting an outsiders view on it. The one thing I didn't like about your post though was the way you're more willing to give Rodgers a chance than some of our fans haha!
Cheers mate its been good getting your views!
Cheers,
LS7.
12 Feb 2013 13:29:22
look we can all blame the manager and owners all day long but we have to start asking the question about our players and their mentalities, we have to be ruthless and not give teams a chance to grab a result, yes we play nice football but nice gets you no-where, and let's not fool ourselves into thinking the keeper played a blinder because he didn't apart from the pen most were routine saves and if pep never made them you would all be slating him, now for far to long we have only seemed to get up for the big games I know we haven't beaten the top teams but our best performances have all come against them, we battered spurs dominated man city and first game against utd but we have played poorly against stoke, villa and so called lesser sides and we have done for years, I agree with most that we should have played with two up front but that doesn't hide the fact that some players seem to switch off and that is not down to a manager its down to the players, its just mistake after mistake and no manager can plan for that, we need more leaders on the pitch, players who push themselves and the team to be better and to play for every second, only the players themselves can change that, by this I don't mean shouting at each other I mean by performance, I've played football for years and I know how if 2 or 3 of your team mates are giving everything it drags people along and makes them give a bit more, we just need more leaders out on the pitch as at the minute we have to many who seem a bit weak mentally, when things are going well its all back flick and step overs but when it isn't they lose confidence, this is individual traits, a manager can try and give confidence but that won't last when the going gets tough, I know people might disagree but I believe this is our biggest weakness if a player needs to have fans licking his backside to perform then I my opinion he is weak as he should want to do it for himself, the club and his team mates
It's the Managers well paid job to set up a system of playing and then select the right players to play within the framework of that system.
Then if it becomes obvious early on in the game you've made a tactical blunder.
Change it as soon as possible.
Rodgers was guilty of setting the team up wrong and then made bad decisions on substitutions and shape of the side.
Example of what I'm on about is?
Look how quickly a successful Manager like Mourinho will change things for the better if he initially gets it wrong.
kidmillions
12 Feb 2013 14:24:06
Mate still you haven't understand our problems now let me help you!
We need players to come and help us
We needp players to come and improve our team
We need players to come and drive us foward
We need players to come and fight for us instead we buy young average players who come but don't improve our team neither drive us foward and neither help us. Just look at Rodgers signings all of them are bench warmers except sturridge now how can we move foward when we are still playing last years team who finished 8th. Where are Rodgers signings who were deemed to improve us and move us foward. We can defend Rodgers as much as we want but for how long, his time is running he has spent 60m+ and only sturridge is in first xi so how can you expect to improve or move foward when you continue playing last years team who finished 8th.
12 Feb 2013 14:37:29
Its simple mate we needed players to come in and support our players and move us foward but the players who came in are warming our banch instead of helping our team except sturridge.
How can people say that the side was set up wrong, when West Brom didn't have a shot on goal until the 80th minute? At one point ESPN commented that the shots were 18-0. If we had Ferguson, Guardiola or Mourinho what could they have done differently? Made the shots 20-0? At the end of the day it comes down to players executing, and they didn't simple as that. Sure the goal at the end is a crushing one, but if our players had executed correctly it never would have come to that.
Lee in Philly
Lee in Philly.
I do not buy into this support BR's system nonsense. Yes, we have created chances, and scored a number of goals (mainly thanks to Luis) and also had a lot of possession. however, the key point is that we have leaked goals all season. We can criticise our goalkeeper and defenders, but these are same players that were defensively very strong under Rafa and KK. Before we lost Lucas last season, we had the best defensive record in the premiership. either this BR 'system' is exposing our back 4 too much, or BR is a very poor defensive coach. We will win nothing long-term without a decent defence. you can have great idea about a system and style of play, but you have to get results and even at swansea, BR had a team that was defensively frail.
G
12 Feb 2013 16:05:04
Lee in Philly if Guardiola or mourinho would be our manager player like borin, Allen, assaidi etc etc wouldn't be near anfield. Your trying to defend a manager who has spent 60m and none of them are in starting xi except sturridge.
I don't think the original post was trying to defend Rogers but he has a point because I guess what he was saying is all our players have talent but they seem to lack mental toughness and to be honest that is not just br fault as its not all his players, kenny rafa they are all to blame aswell I suppose also the scouts it's not just about spotting talent it's about finding out if a player has the mental strength to stand up and be counted and I don't think we have players that do that, having said that borini and Allen don't look that they have it either so I'm at a loss as to where the club is heading right now, I thought maybe Rogers was the wrong choice from day one but I hope I'm wrong, I'm just really despondent at the min with how our great club has come to this
12 Feb 2013 13:28:44
Firstly before the season started our target wasn't
even Top 4 with a new young manager and
experienced players leaving in Maxi, Kuyt, Bellamy
with a young and thin squad.
However that result was embarassing! Over the 2
games we have lost 5-0 to WBA! 5-0!
From sitting in 7th looking to close in on Everton to
6th we now have fallen to 9TH!
I'm not the type to bash the players and manager
infact I support Rodgers BUT we're does the problem
lie.
One point is- The players have not been good
enough!
Some of these players are just average and most of
them don't play with the heart or purpose with a
strong mentatlity!
Also Rodgers could be looked at as performances do
go back to the manager.
Look at Skrtel and Agger from being TOP defenders
Skrtel being Last season Player of the year with the
team even though finishing in 8th having one of the
best defence records in the lge.
Now to some of the worst players of our season?
Yh Skrtel and Agger have been shaky BUT how has
our defence all of a sudden become rubbish!
Could be down to maybe Rodgers tactics?
When teams have attacked us wether it be Arsenal or
'weak' Villa we have been caught out. Teams seem to
be able to get through easily and we look weak
against counter attacks.
We lacked speed and tempo in the passing and
movement in the players.
How can you expect to score past a defence when
your passing slowly and attackers aren't moving
around.
Liverpool have really frustrated me for soo long!
I back Rodgers but 1 thing is I have to question his
signings. I actually was exited signing Allen.
BUT 25M for allen and borini! C'mon
We could of got Diame Free. Go for likes of Strootman
and Mertens for same price maybe cheaper!
Coutinho is a talent! He is young with great
potential! BUT that's the thing 'young' and just
'potential' we need someone PROVEN!
Likes of Mertens etc.
Seems like we need a GK, CB, CM and maybe a
Attacker
Practicaly a new player for every position.
GK- ther a soo many options. A Host of GKs in
Germany.
CB-Hope we get someone fairly young BUT with a
good amount of exp. Playing.
Likes of Alderweild, De Vrij, Howdes etc.
CM- Obv choice Diame, Capoue, Fer etc. powerhouse
players. If not then a Alonso-esque type like Benat!
Who is quality!
But I reckon Kevin Strootman would be good. With
the combo of having a physical and combative side
with also playmaking passing abilty!
ATT-? Erickson has been mentioned? Mertens?
Look at Spurs and Everton.
How have they overtaken us?
I don't remember them spending BIG £ss.
They took it in steps
Look at Spurs under Redknapp they played great
footy and built a team with clever signings.
Shrewd signings.
From likes of Gomes they upgraded to Friedel now
Lloris.
Woodgate to Gallas now Vertongen.
Palacious to Parker to Holtby
From st like keane to pav. Now Adebayour and now
targeting likes of Damao!
They built a good foundation of players and
understanding under arry' and are continuing with
AVB by slowing building and now look good faves for
4th!
Everton
I have seen so many jokes about their money etc.
And the fact is without spending much they have
gotten a better 'TEAM' then Lfc.
Individually Lfc may have some better players than
them But they have a better unit!
They gave Moyes TIME and he built a understanding
and a strong mentality with his team!
With time his players are now emboddied in to his
system sharing a strong mentality!
Liverpool NEED to give Rodgers TIME and Support!
They don't need Big money signings But EFFECTIVE
signings.
Yes if a big money signing is ther go get him!
But they should buy clever, Look into LaLiga or the
Dutch league with great talents like Mertens,
Strootman, Windalum, Narsingh, Bony, Lens, Maher
etc.
I'm sure most LFC fans would agree with me
And the ones that don't let's see a reply with your
ideas and thoughts
F5
12 Feb 2013 14:52:28
I was pleading for honda. all 12 months.
he is miles better than countinho. yes he might cost. but he is defo the quality.
mertens is an excellent winger.
pace skill and can beat person. something 20 mill downing haven't done entire two season.
i haven't even seen downing past one defender whole Liverpool career.
people says. his form is improving.
50 games. 1 goals. what improvment are they bluffing is beyond me.
y did we purchased him?.
henderson is improving after 2 years.
if we start to give every player an year to improve.
we can forget CL for atleast 5 years.
untill everyone starts improving
12 Feb 2013 15:05:07
F5 mate love Brock lesnar anyways there is nothing to do with everton or spurs neither of them are good but teams above them including us have fallen down that's the reason why they are looking good if we could maintain our standards they would be where they belong but teams like Arsenal and Liverpool have collapsed even chelsea are struggling in return everton and spurs have grab the opportunity. If you look last year when we finished 8th we needed some players to come and improve our team and league position but Rodgers signings have been disappointing none of them have improve us or move us foward except sturridge infact they are not even in our starting xi. Rodgers has spent 60m+ and only sturridge is in our first xi says it everything mate
12 Feb 2013 18:36:30
Hey everybody look its the hindsight police.
So tell me the summer transfers since your all seeing and all knowing?
WelshBoyDave
12 Feb 2013 13:16:54
I have to agree with the Eds - the players let us down and they have more or less said as much. I also thought we looked a little lost without Sturridge (no sting to our attack). Shelvey try as he might is simply not suited to the role he was asked to play. Apart from Carragher the defence was creaky at best. We struggle to mark from set pieces. And the quality of the passing from back to front was clear to see. Enrique being a prime culprit. The team is a work in progress and I wish all the fans were on board. I expect to see a much improved LFC next season once several players have been shipped out and several bought in. I remain positive, BR is slowly (slowly) shaping a side which will compete with the top four but it will not happen over a couple of transfer windows! We lack a playmaker in the middle and a quality centre back or two. YNWA
Thought Carra was brought back for that very reason to keep us organised at dead ball situations against us?
Doesn't seem to be working? Does it.
kidmillions
Kidmillions, I didn't realise it was carraghers fault agger got blocked off marking, or perhaps its carraghers fault that lukaku walked around agger.
12 Feb 2013 13:14:18
bring back ronnie moran he wouldn't have had these ( superstars) pissing about on the pitch he'd have had them too scared to make a mistake and playing for the pride that is the red shirt of lfc
12 Feb 2013 13:09:09
I love to see some stats on Corners for and against LFC because I think we have scored maybe 2 goals from Corners this season but every game we seem to have a vast amount of corners.
Id also like to see how many goals we have conceded from corners because it seems to me to be a high percentage. Its the only time along with free kicks that we look really vulnerable at the back.
It strikes me that corners and set plays are not really focussed on by Rodgers I could be wrong! what's peoples thoughts - it could also be that we have a small team now especially in our attacking players.
Anyone have this season stats on corners?
YNWA JFT96 jns
I posted the other day that very same thing? I got loads of disagrees.
"We have been poor at defending free kicks and corners for a long time"
Rafa used to get criticised for playing zonal marking.
Whoever plays in our back 4 it's always the same scenario.
It will only get better when Reina leaves.
He does not and never has dominated his penalty area from free kicks and corners.
kidmillions
Mate this has been a problem for years. Agger and skrtel are terrible at corners. If I was playing against us I'd hit everything out for a corner safe in the knowledge that Liverpool will very very rarely score. Guaranteed draw at least.
Jason
Jason, Agger and Skrtel scored a fair few goals from corners through out the years. its just not happening this year. so what changed since last year I wonder. let's think!?
As for defending corners. I don't know the exact stats, but for the past few years we were always up there with the number of clean sheets and lowest number of goals conceded. In case many have forgotten Reina won golden gloves award 3 successive years
Roy
Who cares how many corners we have had?
The only stats that matter are goals and points.
12 Feb 2013 13:06:53
Very disheartened by last night. Just when we start looking dangerous we loose the drive.
Several players had a bad game yesterday (johnson, enrique, lucas). The manager unfortunately was to blame but that doesn't mean he should get the sack. We were back to playing the team we struggled with at the start of the season and I the subs introduced didn't make any impact. Would have probably done better with 1 sub rather that 3 as I think it changed our attack too much and WBA exploited our defence which were not too bright.
Oh well, Sturridge back next game, hopefully we will get back to scoring which would have helped a lot last night. We may not make top 4 but any improvement on 7th is still good. Its a tough league this year and expecting 4th from a new manager in his 1st season is unreasonable even if I myself was hoping for it too.
If we at least finish high, looking like we will challenge next season there is a good chance the star players we have will give it 1 more season before they look to move on.
This season ain't over for us yet, last night hurt a lot but chin up and let's move on. Still a lot of points to be had and a much easier run of games than our rivals.
Noshbag
12 Feb 2013 13:05:23
With Reina looking to be on his way out, the only good thing from last night was the form of Ben Foster. He should be on BR's radar. !
12 Feb 2013 13:03:50
Disgraceful, disrespectful, ignorant, fickle, fantasist, myopic, pathetic.
Best fans in football? Don't think so!
No wonder Anfield sounds like a morgue!
Eds- you really should call in sick after a defeat!
Mrpjd {Ed002's Note -
Fans react to players what did they do to deserve respect, all fans do it remember old trafford when we won 4nil.
To the old trafford comment, that was then, this is now
12 Feb 2013 14:53:52
it was 4-1. ronaldo scored
12 Feb 2013 14:55:49
fans means. people who support a club on the way its build, played, and won medals.
not sitting in a pub. drinking beer and defend nonsense happening on the pitch.
we have the right to be concerned about our club.
It was 4-1 that great day. Tommy Irish red
12 Feb 2013 12:53:06
Hey Eds, I am not here to moan or complain about FSG but after John Henry's quotes yesterday I am simply curious to have your opinion on a couple of matters relating to them since arriving at the club.
1). Do you see the issue of not having a proper chief executive as a major issue? To me it seems as if the club are lacking leadership and someone to see the day to day running of the club?
2). Are FSG in any way struggling with the financial demands that a football club brings? Again I am not moaning but it just seems to me like they may have underestimated the challenge of sorting out the club after the mess it was left in (I am aware they are trying to sort it out at present).
3). Ed 002, mentioned that there may be news when the new financial year comes around. Is that still the case?
Appreciate your efforts
Amz {Ed002's Note - (1) I don't know what you see as missing or what difference you think would be made on the field by the addition of another senior administrator. I don't see this as being the reason for poor performances. (2) No, FSG has invested very, very heavily in the players and seen much of the money pissed up the wall by the likes of Dalglish, and if the fans are to be believed, Rodgers - this has been done to death already. (3) There is news all of the time.}
I don't recall saying anything about a chief executive having an effect on on-field performances? I am simply stating that having such a figure would help Ian Ayre. {Ed002's Note - How would that be?}
He's out of his depth in his current position. Bringing in someone with experience or a chief executive would allow Ayre to move back into his position of commerical director - a position at which he excelled in. {Ed002's Note - And how would you know he is out of his depth? It is no more than a blame culture that you are getting in to - and as far as I am concerned it is pretty pitiful. It is the footballing side of the club that is suffering right now.}
I stated previously I am not moaning about the clubs situation or looking to blame the results on the board.
My query's had nothing to do with our results. People have shared similar thoughts on Ayre for a for a while now - it is by no means purely a coincidence. I was simply asking on an opinion because of your vast knowledge.
I actually appreciate your efforts on this page and I understand there are a number of fans on this page who enjoy giving you abuse but I am not one of them so in the future do not put us all in the same bracket. Branding my argument as pitiful was unnecessary. {Ed002's Note - Your words about Ian Ayre were "He's out of his depth in his current position." Substantiating those words by saying others have said the same really does not help.}
By others, I did not mean simply random fans on Twitter or Facebook. Fans who know the club well and are well informed have shared the opinion that a chief executive or a similar position would help. I don't get why you're going on the offensive? Is it not possible to have a sensible debate without trying to describe my opinion as pitiful? {Ed002's Note - Would I be right in guessing that these informed athers are the "Spirit of Shankly" group? They have certainly obsessed over things thay are either not of their concern or are beyond their understanding. I know we have a couple of members on this forum as they get all upset if the "Sprit of Shankly" get called flakes or other such descriptives.
I find the obsession with constantly looking for blame and using words about Ian Ayre like "He's out of his depth in his current position" pitiful - hence I used the appropriate adjective - and it is hardly an abusive term.
You have still yet to say what is expected to improve by the club adding another senior administator to the payroll. You have said said that, in your view, "it seems as if the club are lacking leadership and someone to see the day to day running of the club" - I cannot see how that is manifesting itself to you. The primary owner and his family stopped attending games for reasons that we all know of, but the club has a Chairman that is willing to give interviews but has learned the lesson to be careful of what he says as there are fans who see every statement as literal and will subsequently use it against him. Commercially all is in pretty nifty shape, so aside from the on field performances I am struggling to see this issue.}
12 Feb 2013 18:56:40
Mate their is nothing to do anything with Ayre he is exactly doing what the owners tell him or want him to do at the sametime if you see our bussiness side it has really improved massively.
The big problem at the moment is on pitch which Ayre can't be blamed at all. Rodgers is the man who is manager and managing playing side he has to take responsibility for wins, drwas or loses his paid for that mate.
There is nothing wrong with Ayre at all just stop blaming him without actual fact!
Spirit of Shankly group? No thanks. To the anonymous poster, how about reading what I've written? Where have I blamed Ayre for our results and performances? So give it a break. I came on here because I was curious to see if another admin would help the club - not to moan.
12 Feb 2013 12:38:58
Feel let down after travelling 300 mile round trip last night.
I am a big fan of BR and the team are playing pretty football but without the penetration (same as last season by the way).
This has now been addressed (Sturridge) but apart from that BR's transfer business so far as been poor.
Joe Allen - inconsistent bordering poor
Borini - doenst look like he wants to be here already (think BR would have known about our last italian acqusitions)
Sahin - didn't work out
Assiadi - (a bit like wheres wally. I know he's been away in the african nations but prior to that?)
Countinho - time will tell
Youth - bags of POTENTIAL but needstime
Sterling
SUSO
Some people including BR bemoan the lack of depth and quality but so far this season his signings cannot even force their way into the side when we have a fully fit squad.
Other than adding depth his signings (Sturridge apart) they offer very little.
Hopefully its just first season syndrome (time will tell) but his transfer business as been poor. Just looking a the bench there was not one match winner sat on it. Top 4 is a long way away.
Red dean
I felt let down, and I only had to travel to my sofa. Can't imagine how I'd have felt getting home at midnight with 2 hours to reflect on the match. Fair play.
Nick
12 Feb 2013 12:37:39
It's all been said before. the results and table tell the truth. the inconsistent performances are clear to see. we are out of both domestic cups (in a shoddy way). ect ect
For those who think that we have progressed. quantify it. explain it. how have we improved since last season? Steve Clarke knew exactly what he and his team had to do last night. infact he said as much in his pre match interview. He has taken a smaller team and taken them above LFC in the table. That's how transparent and uni dimensional BRs management is.
If BR was a proven manager who had achieved proper success and was building a team then more time is warranted (as it would have been for Dalgliesh) but BR is not proven and he is learning the trade himself.
Here's the thing. look at what's happening this season. It's a very likely scenario that Suarez will leave in the summer, Carra is going and there will be more departures and arrivals.
Again, we will be told it takes more than a season. but again we will be at square one with a manager who is tactically naive, one dimensional and does not have the standing in the wider football world to bring in players of the required quality. He has performed in front of the camera with PR talk but now there is wider acknowledgement that this is flakey talk which is designed to keep the fans on side. The walk has not been walked.
A rebuilding process in the hands of an experienced manager or BR under the guidance of an experienced director of football.
IMO have settled for mediocrity. BR and his back room staff look clueless and if this current regimen continues then we will continue to spiral down. For those echo say it's the players fault. yes it is to a certain extent but if they give their all, as BR said, then they are not good enough or he managers tactics and motivational skills are questionable.
RedDoc
Excellent post RedDoc.
12 Feb 2013 12:33:34
Hey fellow fans had to stop reading the post on here after the game last night, so, so many fans react like woman and loss the plot. This year I always felt 4th might be just out or reach but I thought we could do it but after last nights defeat that's gone know along way my £100 bet I put on for us to finish top 4 haha
So to last night I thought we played some good stuff as the stats to the game suggest we controlled the game from the start and should have one it easy. That seems to be the story of the season and i'm not and here to blame that on BR, FSG, or the players. i'm going blame it on the pathetic fans that go to the games.
I may get abused here from all you season ticket holders but the atmosphere in the ground is the worse in the country, the fans in there seem to expect to much. Maybe over the years and the success we have had we have became fans that can't adjust to being where we are. But the truth is we are there and the only way to the top I by getting behind the team and not waiting till were up a few goals till we start the signing. We used to have the loudest, most jumping stadium in the land, it was electric! That transends to the pitch, and last night you could see the players sensing the fans getting pissed of cause we weren 4 goals to the good.
Any way rant over I think a good lot of fans need to take a good long hard look in the mirror and get our famous voice back. I think BR is doing a grand job, he's going make mistake he's only human. FSG brilliant owners who we owe a lot to. So hears to the future lads couple of good signings in the summer and were nearly there. YNWA
Scottybhoy1888
12 Feb 2013 12:03:46
All I hear is 90% possesion, 186 shots at goal, 54 on target stats etc etc etc bla bla bla, yea yea yea the footy is pleasing to the eye on occasions and all that, but i'd sooner have Villas stats when the came to us, 4 shots on target, 3 goals and 3 points. Nuff said?
3 points most weeks, top four in the table minimum are the only stats that count in my book as a supporter.
Scouse Red (again)
Villas stats are you mad 4th from bottom sounds good.
RB
12 Feb 2013 12:03:21
Hy Eds.
I have 2 questions for you.
1. As you said you expect skrtel carrol reina coates downing and suarez to leave at the end of season. My question is that will lfc replace these players by sign new players or you expect some youngster to step up and replace them. I hope lfc will replace them by sign new players.
2. My 2nd question is that.
I might be silly to ask this. Bt do you expect managerial change at the end of the season as rslt nt improving. Fsg might think about to bring new man.
Thanx.
Plz do response. {Ed002's Note - (1) I don't think any Ed has said he expects all of those players to leave. For players that leave either replacements will arrive or youngsters given a chance. (2) Right now I am not expecting a change of manager.}
On the leaving list please add Johnson, Agger, Lucas, Henderson, Shelvey and Borini because they were c**p last night. Oh, and by the way add the name Rodgers to that list.
12 Feb 2013 11:55:10
I am a Rodgers fan but one would be stupid to ignore
the fact that his signings are making no impact or sitting on the bench. Allen, Sahin, Borini and Assaidi
are looking likely to be a waste of money.
He played Henderson on the left last night which left Enrique stranded and one up top which meant nobody in the box. His decision making and tactics are poor thus far. If his signings were a success Assaidi should start on the left last night and Borini up top supporting Suarez.
12 Feb 2013 11:48:54
Brendon Rodgers is proposng to build a new Liverpool stadium in the shape of an envelope.
Anon
12 Feb 2013 11:48:39
I'm glad Gerrard missed the penalty, blatant dive from suarez
You complete tool.
Reusch.
12 Feb 2013 12:25:07
now the worst will be. suarez admitting this dive. after 2 months.
OMG. where is my club going?
forward?. seems our way is totally different from other clubs moving forward.
12 Feb 2013 11:43:30
why do PPL keep going on about under Hicks/Gillette we nearly lost the club etc, who gives a flying f--k, this is here and now and quite frankly a good number of those players on past performances should be ashamed end of.
And whos the nameless mupper who made a comment on Agger and the zonal marking? Fact is he can't defend set pieces zonal or man to man, most of the time his head is down and he's wresting the attacker, no good running around falling on your arse doing diddly squat now is it no name?
the stark facts are here and now, that's "The Present" for those of you who dwell in the past, we simply are not good enough as a unit, individually or collectively in my opinion.
From back to front in most games we look like headless chickens, you can go on about the Arsenal, Man city and Everton, and United second half display but everyteam has golden moments, didn't Oldham, Villa and West Brom have those moments against us recently?
Time has come to face up to reality chaps, squad ain't good enough end of, some promising moments and players I agree, but right now the balance, most performances and commitment isn't as it should be.
Who to point the finger at? God knows but someone needs to get a grip and sooner rather than later, or as some have said, those few class players we have will no longer be here next year, and yea yea I've heard the" no player is bigger than the club comments". Tosh in my book, if I was a top class pro i'd want success, look at RVP, enough said.
But you know what, we ain't doing so well now so imagine if these players do decide to leave and we get more mediocre players in to replace them, will you still be yacking on about that then when we fall deeper into the abyss?
I for one thought that the team would improve and hopefully gel after the initial transition, I even support the manager to a degree, but we can all see things ain't working for whatever reason.
I see it, and i'm sure most educated footballing persons will also see it, so why the f--k don't BR and that Mike Marsh fellow? All I see him do is hold his jaw, maybe to stop it dropping.
Money ain't the immediate answer, yes I think we need 4 to 5 real quality players adding, my opinion, but now the man management, motivational side of the game comes to the fore to try and rescue this poor season.
These players need bollacking, monies deducted and dropped if allowed as they are woeful and should be ashamed of the responces on here as most critism is worthy.
So I will await the usual I don't know what i'm talking about etc etc from the blinded faithful, but facts are facts and results, position in the table are there for all to see. Someone needs to wake up and smell the coffee as far as LFC are concerned.
Scouse Red
Agree with a lot of what you say, our problem is we don't have enough players with an eye for goal.
Suarez, Gerrard and Sturridge are the only players that you would be confident about taking a goalscoring chance.
It's definitely a massive negative when you look at the rest of the squad.
The Baggies had a couple of goalscorers on the bench last night, ready to bring on if needed.
kidmillions
12 Feb 2013 11:42:38
Before you all slate me off for being a Toffee, I offer this as advice for your once great club: It seems to me that your squad is getting bigger and bigger each season. The only problem being that you seem to be adding mediocre players to it. Suarez and Gerrard aside, you seem to be adding players who can pass, tackle and run. However there are not too many goalscorers. Look how many attacking midfielders you have or forwards who average less than one goal in ten games. There is quite a few. Your possession stats are impressive but the ball seems to go across the pitch up and down with little penetration. I would suggest you get rid of a few fringe players, reduce the wage bill and then look at adding some quality. Considering the money spent over the last years, you should be up at the top of the league. This is offered as an honest assessment, not to wind people up.
Degsypulford
No Degsy, that's hit the nail bang on the head, and a decent piece from a rival (so thank you for that).
We shipped out a lot of goal scorers, whether they were getting on a bit or weren't getting the game time they deserved. Players like Maxi - who had some serious hot streaks in his final 2 years. Kuyt who was guaranteed to bag those goal line scrambles/score in big games and Bellamy who was a revelation and one of our better signings for years.
The trouble's been that the replacements just aren't prolific goal scorers. It's all tied to this new system we're seeing occasional benefits of.
misterdrumz
Although that was a very unbitter assessment of our squad it also wasn't too correct. For the past 2/3 seasons we have made huge strides to remove the big wage earners, so much so infact that our problem now is a complete lack of depth. the squad you saw last night, plus Sturridge and Kelly is pretty much it to be honest.
SideShowBob
We take too many punts on unproven players and managers.
Another thing I noticed is we never seen to float the ball into the ball, never cross it, we always try to run it and look for a killer pass. We need to mix it up and be more dynamic.
Adam
Degsypulford here again. Thanks for the positive response. I remember we had a player years ago. Martin Dobson. We used to defend and then break. I used to pray that no-one would give the ball to Dobson because he would slow things up, spin a couple of times (presumably to allow other players to catch up?) problem was that this gives the opposition time to get back and re-organise. I see Dobson in Joe Allen and also in your managers tactics overall. that's great if you have Van Persie and Rooney up front, or even Gareth Bale. It means you are totally reliant on Suarez. Maybe Sturridge will prove a good long term buy. not sure myself. To be honest I think there is not much to choose between our teams and I think it will go close as to who gets in Europe. Your current Europa campain may take it out of you guys. I
*ball into the box, not into the ball, haha!
Adam
I like Sturridge, I think he's one of the best signings we've made since Suarez.
My problem is what we did in the summer. United added to their already great team with Van Persie. Arsenal added Cazorla, Podolski and Giroud. Chelsea signed Hazard and Oscar. Tottenham bought Vertonghen, Lloris, Dempsey, Dembele, Sigurdsson. All the while we signed the 'Welsh Xavi' and Borini, as well as a couple of youth players. Obviously we are not in the Champions league, so money and attracting players is an issue. But we were already off the pace and now we are even more. Spurs weren't in the top 4 either. I just think we could have had a much better summer and we are paying for it now.
Adam
12 Feb 2013 11:30:08
WOW borini wouldn't get into my local team holyhead hotspurs! AND I've seen a pen hit the corner flag, In this town. ha
BIL
Nah, he ain't that good!!
Red Spaceman
12 Feb 2013 11:21:26
Can understand everyone being frustrated and p***ed off with the resul, t but posters saying we were shocking and played awful last night and are simply not good enough,,,, what game were you guys watching?
We dominated the match and created 20 attempt's, at one point, we had 18 whole they had 0. Surely common sense tells you that we just need to be more clinical in front of goal (not that the whole team is awful)
It wasn't Rodgers fault that Gerrard missed a penalty or that Sturridge was injured
Kelly Red
Nor was it his fault that the players missed their 20+ chances and made the mistakes they did. The manager can only do so much. Had we converted 2 of those chances, would people still be criticizing Rodgers even though we'd have played exactly the same?
ChrisMiz
My problem with Rodgers is that when teams suss us out, like WBA last night and stoke, we struggle to break through and it shows in the players work - they seem resigned to he fact they aren't going to win today.
Earlier in the season a lot of teams who'd done their homework on us got results/draws and it tends to be the ones that timewaste/stall like WBA/STO etc. Then they wait for us to tire or make mistakes and get a goal against the run of play.
Therein lies the problem, more teams will learn how to handle us because we aren't dynamic enough. Almost every offence last night just skirted around the 18yd box, from left to right and no forward attack. Sturridge had offered that recently but his presence was sorely missed.
sorry for the rant, had a torrid time at the game, so many moaners behind me in the 106 of the kop. Between one posh woman moaning about how we weren't singing nothing but songs for carragher to the manc voice swearing his head off at the players I was just fuming away.
misterdrumz
12 Feb 2013 12:27:04
it was his biggest blunder to start with just one striker upfront.
y on earth did we bought borini?
and why did we changed the formation which played against city?
We were watching the game where we gave the ball away continuously with poor passing. When we did keep possession we did not create enough chances in front of goal as we lacked penetration and bodies in the box for most of the game. The chances we had, we spurned through poor finishing. So with poor passing, poor movement, poor penetration, poor creativity, poor finishing oh yes and let's not forget poor set-piece marking together with a one dimensional style of play, I'd say our performance was, well. poor! Yes we had more shots but big deal, the most important stat is the final score. 0-2 is NOT good enough, so no wonder we are frustrated and p***** off.
GoLadz
12 Feb 2013 12:51:23
Last year was the same story we hit the post like 29-35 times and missed 16 penalties so what's your point, and why after spending 60+m no one is starter except sturridge, when a manager tries to play shelvey as a false no. 9 instead of borini and plays suarez on left side then he has some bigger problems in his head mate
12 Feb 2013 11:19:41
Eds. another disapointing result yesterday do you know how many points we was off 4 th place this time last yr surely this will tell of we've improve under rogers ynwa
12 Feb 2013 11:16:15
The fans yesterday-awful, atmosphere-awful, substitutions-awful, shelvey, enrique, glen, agger-awful. downing and hendo were good but one wonders why they were substituted. why can't we give suso a chance? he does his job pretty well every game yet he's behind shelvey (who I personally think was just all mouth and no show). the players looked like they had no will to play. very lethargic. probably under-estimated west brom badly (!)
Wow you mentioned everything except the missed penalty, surely that was the MOST awful thing, we score that, we win the game, simple as that
I'd agree the crowd quickly soured when it was clear we weren't likely to break through. plenty of fair-weather fans coming out of the woodwork after a few decent games lately.
Johnson had a poor game, blasting it into defenders, unable to get past.
shelvey simply couldn't turn, he'd get the ball with his back to goal and couldn't go on a run even when the crowd were screaming for him to go.
we have slipped back into the passing it around the box, not getting bodies inside.
It sounded like the ground was in good spirits initially but like I said, seemed to be a lot of fair-weather fans as they just didn't get behind the team when they needed it, just slagged them off.
misterdrumz
Anfield has been like a library for quite a few years now, to label the fans as "fair weather" is disrespectfull. like it or not, they are the Liverpool fans of today, nothing more nothing less
anon
There have been a few other games this season where when the crowd seem genuinely surprised/buzzing off us winning/scoring, when the feeling beforehand was a bit doom and gloom.
Last night, people around me were full of optimism and expecting a win (almost arrogantly)/scoring a plenty. But as soon as it looked like it wasn't going to happen it was purely hatred around me. that's what I meant by fair-weather fans.
I go there with the equal measure of optimism and closeted skepticism ;)
misterdrumz
12 Feb 2013 11:15:09
Most defiantly a mid table side Liverpool, you just look at the table and were left behind. You look at Liverpools name and it doesn't fit in at mid table but after last night and how key that game was has woke me up about 4th place. Yes we are improving and yes it's a youth build up which is good but all those silly games we throw away! Slow progress for Liverpool sad really. Good times ahead next season hopefully!
12 Feb 2013 11:14:19
{Ed001's Note - we created 20 chances, that shows he got it right but the players failed us. }
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Just like last year then, chances wasted, hit the post the bar; opposition Keepers have the best games of their lives blah blah blah, and just like I said to you last year the buck stops with the manager.
I don't want an argument, but for me the system was wrong yesterday, we went back to 5/6 of our players lining up on the edge of the 18 with no penetration, no one threatening a run, which allowed their defenders to push up, we kept looking for the wings and crosses which they dealt with very easily. Jonjo good player, but striker he is not.
Roy
I believe one of the most important things about measuring a manager's ability should be his signings. Whilst tactics do play a big role in a managers job, there's no doubting that better players make it easier.
Imagine if we had attacking talent the likes of rvp hazard and mata on the field last night. We would have won that game no doubt.
Basically Brendans signings (apart from sturridge) have been poor and that's why we're underperforming.
Another quality striker I think is needed to create space for players, make clever runs and most importantly SCORE GOALS.
Man you have played worse than we did last night yet come away with a win all down to a clinical striker. We need to win games even when we play badly- that is the mark of a good side and to do that we need some more attacking talent.
Apart from sturridge and suarez, where are the goals gunna come from?
Don't think Rodgers got it right at all? I support Rodgers and want him to do well but he's starting to rack up the Managerial gaffs.
Shelvey was on the LFC site saying how he would work his socks off in training to impress the Manager and force his way back into the side?
But anyone that knows anything; knows that training is one thing, playing is another?
Shelvey should not be in any Liverpool side, he's seriously "One Paced" You don't have to be a speed merchant to be great player but you need to be exceptional in another aspect of your game? Shelvey isn't.
I certainly did not want him in the side because he'd done well in training! wtf
Seems like Brendan Rodgers is totally unaware of assessing his players or maybe he just likes players that talk the talk.
kidmillions
12 Feb 2013 11:10:00
I've said for months that BR needs time. but I need to point something out, against Man City and Arsenal the team started well were leading in both games at some stage so effectively all BR had to do was close the game out. didn't happen. last night when things weren't going our way he needed to make changes and correct changes. he didn't do it. he got it wrong. bottom line is his decision making when it is required is suspect. what will decide what makes him the manager I hope he turns out to be is dependent ( not 100% ) on his decision making. at the moment I'm sorry to say it is suspect. Alan
12 Feb 2013 11:09:06
two things from last night is agger cannot defend setpieces. lost his man yet again. no physical presence in the middle of the park or at the back. we need a strong midfielder e.g diame mulumbu sissoko. a strong pacey cb. DORSET RED
12 Feb 2013 12:29:17
dude. have you heard about zonal marking?.
If no. please have a look.
12 Feb 2013 10:53:14
There is no doubt that Suarez will leave in the summer, Liverpool are going to be stuck in mid table for years, city would be a good move for him, chance to play for a big team
SteveMCFC
As an Everton fan, City aren't a "big" team. Financially rich yes but by no means big. Liverpool will always be the bigger team. City 2 trophies in the last what. 50 years? Look at what Liverpool have achieved in that time. You can offer him mega bucks but team spirit and loyalty are one thing City can never offer. Respect from a toffee lads.
MikeyBlueNose.
12 Feb 2013 15:01:10
dont be stuppid. city will win atleast 5 titles in next 7 years.
we would be still in top 8.
we won our last title 8 years back CL and Pl 23 years back.
one fine day. chelsea and city will win atleast 10 PL title.
A big team that got battered by southhampton. All the stars you have and the money you have spent and you still blew the title. There are better teams suarez could go to.
12 Feb 2013 10:51:28
Cant recall a game when on here individual performances analysed so differently. Personally I thought Lucas was poor but read other things saying he was excellent. Mad
fowlerisGod
12 Feb 2013 10:30:35
I do not care who we sign in the summer but we need a clear out, especially in defence. way to many passengers. Shelvey needs a loan away for a season and I hate to knock downing after a good game but I am still nowhere near convinced by him. 1 goal in 53 league games is abysmal for an attacking player.
Only problem is, who is going to want to sign these players? and who do you get to replace them with no champions league, or even Europa league football? unfortunately based on the clubs record over the past 3 seasons, I'm not convinced they can bring in the types of player we need.
so disappointed in the team last night, but the sad reality is the league table doesn't lie, we just are not that good, and I cannot see that changing anytime soon.
trying to keep the faith but it's becoming harder and harder to remain positive.
next game is away at Zenit. not confident at all.
Razor
12 Feb 2013 10:50:42
some fans here have already sold suarez for 40 mill and started rebuilding yet again.
he is the only recognised world class player we have got. and some wanted to sell him.
and then. 50 mill yes. what's next.
higuain?, benzema?, cavani?, falcoa?,
which europes top striker would want to play for team who is finishing as high as 8th 7th.
keep suaresz. and buy someone like aguero.
but you need to pay the wages,,,
simple as that.
leave the loyalty, history and tradition back in our home. and bring someone who can push into CL next season.
12 Feb 2013 10:52:56
some were pleased with downing yesterday.
can anyone shows one footage him beating a man yesterday.
yes he won 10 odd corners. not wipped even one cross.
we should have had 2 strikers in the begining and should have scored atleast 2-3 goals in the first half.
WBA played without their main striker Lukaku.
so the tactics were simple. sit and defend.
Jono shelvey will not score 2-3 goals.
12 Feb 2013 12:33:30
ed. you are wrong. we have got some pretty good Liverpool fans here. who has just disagreed my post. which is actually beyond me.
they will just not agree even if its true or false.
and you keep saying we don't have loyal Liverpool fans. {Ed002's Note - I don't think anyone has suggested that Liverpool does not have loyal fans.}
12 Feb 2013 10:26:22
can hardly believe BR comments on tv last night, what game was he watching? "cant blame the players, they gave their all"? it was nothing less than shocking. Where has the passion gone, the determination etc. Yes, blame the players, our owners would be better spending the summer transfer kitty on a new manager! BR just ain't doing it for me.
Maybe he does his bollocking behind the scenes, or maybe he even feels partly responsible, due to his bad substitutions again! I'm not for wanting BR out yet, but the whole side (manager included) need to improve, although as I keep saying, we are getting there, just slower than what most of us would want.
Chelsea aren't doing brilliantly right now, as their team has gone through changes, but then they have the money to do what we can't and that's the difference.
Keith
12 Feb 2013 10:24:27
hi eds
why does keepers in the premiership save their best performance for us at anfield. ahwell we can put that top 4 to bed now and just go and play without any pressure and see were we end up hopefully above everton, we have to go all out for the europa now no messing with the line up best possible team on the pitch please. Tommy Irish Red
12 Feb 2013 10:15:07
If Liverpool decided to sack brenden Rodgers for some reason anytime soon then ill be sacking them as the team I support! He's a great manager who needs abit of time and the backing of all supporters! Plus Why has the anfield atmosphere disappeared? It's getting worse and worse every season! Sort it out and back your team by singing our hearts out every game!
Ack17
12 Feb 2013 10:00:10
Been a red supporter since 1964 but live in swansea. On the occasions that I watched the swans the one thing I noticed was all the balls played forward always went out wide. Even when the main striker was central on the edge of the box his first instinct was to knock it out wide to Sinclair or Dwyer. Last night I thought the same happened, everything seemed to come down from the wings. I do'nt recall many times when Suarez and Borini interpassed between them, it was mainly poor balls coming in from out wide. At swansea this system never changed during a game and I beleived then and I still do that BR does'nt have a plan B
fforestfach red
12 Feb 2013 09:58:33
Due to shift work and living in another city I don't get to many home games. The last two have been Stoke and last night. I can certainly pick them eh?!
I couldn't believe how quiet and flat the atmosphere was last night. It was like the crowd was waiting for something to inspire them into singing.
It used to be that part of the away managers team talk was "keep it tight for the first part of a match to quiet the crowd". Not needed at Anfield these days!
Gordy
I was in the kop, section 106 last night (sharing my seat with a larger lady *rolls eyes*) and it sounded the loudest I've heard in a long whilst at the beginning but it's clear that a large slice (out of towner accents mainly) were clearly fair-weather fans.
Once we hadn't scored our first few chances they just poured scorn on the team, moaning and shouting abuse throughout.
There was some posh older bloke who kept chipping in with unhelpful, sarky comments. Just before Gerrard's penalty he instantly says in a sarky tone "Watch, he'll miss this now. see, told you" - Bog off you twazzock!
misterdrumz
This is why everton have a better atmosphere at goodison, because they have a majority of scousers making up the crowd, whereas we have irish, southerners and scandanavians. there's a waiting list for season tickets, and priority should be given to people from the city
Nope no name, I'm not having that about Everton, proper urban myth that they're mostly locals.
For every Norweigan/Irish fan we have they have Welsh and Scottish. It's a silly myth around this city, one perpetuated by themselves mostly.
Out of all the silly tribal nonsense the local fans make for better atmosphere is rubbish. despite the OOT moaners behind me there was also a group of obviously local season ticketers in front of me that didn't open their mouths all game, except when greeting and chunnering away when they arrive late during YNWA.
the quality of fan doesn't come from where you come from, it's how passionate you are, seen Dutch lads at the game that sing more than locals when I've been in the centenary.
misterdrumz
12 Feb 2013 09:54:51
THE FAMOUS KOP. You're having a laugh.
I've been a LFC fan all my life standing in the KOP at many of the great games. The KOP created and set the atmosphere for the whole game, they were an inspiration to the team with flags, banners, singing, quick-witted banter. The Kop was feared by opposition teams when Liverpool won the toss and played into the KOP goal in the second half.
For last night's game I was in the Centenary Stand and the opening team ovation was a disgrace to the the KOP name. During the 'YNWA' anthem, there were a handful of scalfs. Fans more interested in texting than singing. There were more scalfs and noise in the small section of the Anfield Road behind the goal than the whole KOP combined.
During the game there's no singing, no atmosphere in the Kop. The Albion fans (all 20 of them) made more noise than the famous KOP.
Posts on this site continually quote history and how great we once were. Well that also goes for the KOP - it once was a great LFC institution.
Let's start by getting the basics right - the right environment helps deliver the right result.
12 Feb 2013 09:40:51
And our fans still think top 4 is possible? No passion, conceding again and again. A decent manager with the current squad would be doing a lot better {Ed052's Note - why are you having a dig at Rodgers? Give me a list of everything he has done wrong, and I'll rubbish it for you... he's a great coach and manager; not his fault Gerrard missed a pen to win us the match}
Your joking ed that was a great penalty, bottom left hand corner, low and fast. It was a great save nothing to do with SG.
Eam {Ed001's Note - yeah right, a great penalty is one that finishes in the back of the net.}
What has BR done to be a great coach. Kept swansea up, well owen coyle did that with bolton. Laudrup is doing a better job and if you haven't realised they are ahead of us in the league. People just buy all the crap rodgers says so that when we lose everyone says well rodgers said it was a tough game. Of course he will try and cover his own back as he knows this is his one chance to manage a top club. Sadly the results are shocking
12 Feb 2013 10:16:42
but was it his fault. not opt for a single striker at home against a team currently sitting below us.
get a grip ed.
the penalty was in the second half.
and this wasnt game we should be winning by 1-0.
simple as that.
we had borini as a striker. this was the game he should have played. {Ed001's Note - we created 20 chances, that shows he got it right but the players failed us.}
Well said Eds, I posted something similar last night. The amount of criticism and abuse Rodgers received on here last night was ridiculous. The team he picked dominated the game and created 20 attempts and saw our captain miss a penalty which would of won the game.
Blame has to go towards the players sometimes and not just be aimed at the manager.
Not a single post last night about Gerrards miss, yet everyone went crazy at Borini
Kelly Red
To say that Rodgers is a GREAT manager is absurd in the extreme. It is a comment that smacks of desperation.
Managers are talked of as being GREAT, when they have achieved great things.
Rodgers is an average manager and coach.
To use the expression GREAT is a gross misperception and is unacceptable.
The management
12 Feb 2013 11:05:32
ed if that is the case than we also created lots of chances last season and we dominated majority of games than why did king kenny got the sack. it was BR fault he got the team and substitution wrong.
Ayush {Ed001's Note - and I never thought Kenny should have got the sack, so what exactly is your point? The players let us down, they had chance after chance, but failed miserably. How you can blame Rodgers, when his tactics stopped the opposing team even having a shot at goal for 80min and created numerous chances for us, well it is beyond me. The players should have scored, end of, but none of them performed well, yet we still completely dominated the game. Hardly the fault of the tactics. I fail to see how anyone can look anywhere else but at the players last night, it is insanity.}
12 Feb 2013 12:34:41
i agree with eds cometley on this one. if we would of converted let's say 2 oof those chances up untill 80mins 2 -0 up and bossing the game WBA not even having a shot. the people on here would be saying great performamce etc etc. but because the Players haven't scored there chances it completely turned and now its Rodgers fault for putting a team out that just couldt score but did everything else proffessionally? Ridiculous on here Really is. this is why the atmosphere is dead cus its prob full of you windgers who don't care what happens they want people and the manager to fail
wolvo_Jake
It's insanity to think that possession fooball is enough. Rodgers will have to modify his beliefs and install some players in the side with some cut and thrust and not just pass, pass, pass.
kidmillions
AM SORRY ED BUT DEFENDING CORNERS IS TACTICS!
All of his signings have failed to make an impacted, bar DS!
and when has it been good enouh to play well for 80mins when the game is 90, who many games are won in the last 10min? {Ed001's Note - you mean the tactics everyone was screaming out they wanted, man marking? Now you see why so many managers don't like man marking. What is the point of your post? Agger failed to do his job, no one else, when marking. That was the issue not the tactics. No need to shout anyway, makes you look stupid as you can't argue your point, just try and scream louder.}
Hello ed01 yes we created 20 chances but if you give those to players who do not normally score the balance of probabilities is that they will not score but if you make 20 chances for proper strikers then the likelyhood is they score more than they miss. br got his team selection wrong you do not play one striker at home fact and you do not play a defence like he did at oldham common denominator br not the fans or the players the buck stops with br I hope he gets what woy got but I respect woy as he never had the cash to spend that br and kk had
Ed your going on like we played fantastic football, we did not. We had 20 or so shots on target but they were not clean cut chances. They got 2 and scored, and really to say if SG had put away the penalty would of made it a different game it would of made us cheaters because it was not a penalty in the first place.
Last night was so sad to watch, never minded losing but we always played good football that is not the case anymore.
Eam
11 Feb 2013 16:28:47
Hi Eds, we have seen several youngsters come through this season. Which are the others we should look out for? {Ed052's Note - Ibe and Sinclair at the minute}
11 Feb 2013 10:41:24
Hii ed. a question I have been wanting to ask. can you name a few players (affordable) in the xabi alonso-esque mould i. e. deep lying with great ball distributions.
Shayan {Ed052's Note - thats a hard one. Whittingham, Britton, Faurlin. None are good enough though}
10 Feb 2013 23:14:08
Eds do you think ngoo will make it he looks a top prospect to
Me better than morgan. Certianly made a impression out on loan but has he made a good impression On rodgers?
Basy {Ed052's Note - he needs to keep scoring, then keep doing it next year for a Prem or Championship side}
12 Feb 2013 09:34:29
Last night was terrible, both full backs had there worst games in a red shirt, everyone else was poor. Bringing Borini on in a game as tight as that was stupid. Should of taken Lucas off and put Allen on at half time and told him to play his 5 yard passes. Might of strung a few passes together from that. Disapointing
FowlerisGod
12 Feb 2013 10:19:54
i am sure. you did not watch the match.
allen for lucas.
go home mate. you are drunk.
lucas and gerrard were superb in the first half.
not even an ant passed through them.
Lucas was dreadful lad, yeah he wins the ball the odd time but the game hardly flows through him. couldn't keep the ball and Allen would at least do that
FowlerisGod
12 Feb 2013 09:26:25
im not here to moan at the team
i think we all dissappointed because of the way we play against arsenal and man city. but then lose that intensity as soon as the game started. (thats something which has plagued us but will only be solved if a manager instills that nature in the players that every game is a top gam)
i have 1 problem about Liverpool and the manager. brendan doesn't have a plan b. he just has 1 formation. 1 way of playing. and that's it
so its easy for managers to come to Liverpool or play us away. I just wish he would change it up a bit. our tactics are always the same and that won't do over a season.
anyway. ups and downs I guess
red lobster
Did you not see him trying to change it up by bringing on Borini to play along Suarez? He had already changed it up because of Sturridge's injury. Yes Borini was dissapointing but the performance of henderson and downing is promising and hopefully when we get Sturridge back we can start finishing our chances.
12 Feb 2013 09:23:40
had to copy and past this please read you so called Liverpool fans
I would like to tell you a story if I may? Its a factual one and I have thrown away my rose coloured glasses, I threw them last night in such frustration, they broke. Forgive me for using a rather controversial subject (for a Liverpool fan), but this is why : history" tells the facts of what it takes to become great.
Once upon a time.
There was a team stuck in the bottom four of the Division One table, A Scottish man immediately set about attempting to stave off the very real threat of relegation. He guided Man United up the table to an eleventh place finish in his 1st season. (Yes you read it correct) United.
(Please read a bit further, I am not accustomed to talking about them, but I feel I need to to make my point. )
By now it was clear to Ferguson that he faced a major job in turning the club around. United were an entertaining side but one that seemed unable to cope with the more physical aspects of League football. (DOES THE LAST SENTENCE SOUND FAMILIAR?) In his second season United fared better finishing second behind Liverpool, but the position painted a false picture. The turning point came in the 1989/90 season. 4---YES FSG O you R!! iI said FOUR years after he took over.
United picked up their first silverware of the Ferguson era. against Crystal Palace in the FA Cup.
This first trophy opened the flood gates. The European Cup Winners’ Cup was won the following season in Rotterdam, Barcelona defeated 2-1. Then in 1991/02 the League Cup was added to United’s list of honours.
The title remained elusive. It was the Holy Grail to United fans, the 26 championships free years being exacerbated by Liverpool’s dominance. Then in 1992/93 the long wait for the League championship came to an end.
THATS ABOUT SEVEN YEARS LATER. 7!!! YEARS!
And yes, the Stretford rubbish heads got sick of having no instant success" Just check out the photo I posted attached to my post, a banner waved on their terraces after just 3 yrs. and the chants of Fergy out!"
No, I have not lost my mind, giving you a United history lesson, let me get to a subject we care about. Liverpool Football club.
Bill Shankly to be precise. AND I AM NOT BANGING ON ABOUT HISTORY TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL OPTIMISTIC. No, enough of that, I am feeling as upset as most of you are.
The Liverpool Football Club of 1959 was not the one we know today - they were a sleeping giant. They had been relegated from Division One in 1954, and had been the nearly men of promotion ever since.
In the season of 61, (Approximately TWO years later), Shankly's signings inspired his existing players and the club were promoted scoring ninety-nine goals in the season, Roger Hunt getting forty-one and Ian St. John eighteen. Anfield was becoming a ground that visiting teams feared, only three teams managing a draw on their visits there. Bill now tasted success and he was hungry for more, but this time in the Big League, the First Division.
A few years later. as Easter 1964 approached Liverpool found themselves well placed to become champions but they had a difficult run in. They responded to the challenge reeling off seven straight wins to take the championships, sealing victory with a 5-0 thrashing of Arsenal in their final home game.
We won more trophies. but I will spare you the details. as I am sure you know them already. But then in the season 1965/66 we won the league again. that was to be the last time until season 1972/73. We suffered a 6 year trophy drought. Apart from a charity shield we won in 66/67 we saw nothing.
BUT THE FANS STAID LOYAL! AND THANK GOD WE DID! If we had not, if their had been social media, the mind boggles as to how many Facebook and Twitter comments their would have been to making the comments of Shankly Out. And we would not have seen the glory that came after this period.
My point to this post. Rodgers should be given no pressure. more time. lots of it if needed. And so should have Dalglish been given more time. But that really is in the past now, we now have Rodgers and I for one will stay hopeful and loyal to his ideas. Yes, defeat stings like hell, and I am still hurting like rubbish, but If he gets dropped any time soon, the season after he does/if he does, we will be back to square one. And I for one, want our glory days back. I just hope the owners have the insightful knowledge to know this. Patience and TIME makes clubs great.
I'll stop rambling on now.
Becca
I think your trying to compare Liverpool position to utds when Fergies took over.
The big difference is that utd where already languishing in low positions, a once great club that where already in decline who could only really go forward. this time next year we will be in this position under BR leadership. We are a top club going backwards not forwards
Fergies also had some tactical awareness. I am not able to say the same for BR who relies on one style. This division needs a combination of tactics
Fergies made some good signings, BR has definitely not done that, his signings have proved to be very poor so far
Oh Fergies had proved himself a winner by taking Aberdeen to European glory. I don't see BR medal
I don't see what we are going to gain by continually hoping that BR will eventually get things right, he has tried at Reading, Watford, Swansea and none of them showed any improvement. BR for me is probably at best an assistant manager he does not and will not be anything more.
We need a proven winner with good tactical awareness. at this present moment I'd even be prepared to let Carra have the reins he certainly can't do any worse than BR {Ed001's Note - United had finished 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th and 4th under Ron Atkinson, prior to Fergie's arrival as manager. United were far from languishing in low positions. It was Fergie who took them down to the low positions, initially.}
I'd push the agree button a few more times if it would let me mate. Nice post.
Thanks for the post, so what you're saying is, we should get Alex Ferguson as manager,,,, haha, only messin. Great post, I really enjoyed it and it's an excellent point.
let's all stop going nuts and calling for our manager's head. Simple fact is, if our captain had of scored a penalty last night we would of won and everything would seem perfectly fine today, so we're all being fairly dramatic, but it's understandable cause nothing hurts more than a defeat like last night.
We automatically look to blame someone or point our frustration at the individual in charge but sacking our manager is not the right way forward. We're Liverpool fans, not Roman Abromovich.
I would be upset if we were playing awful football and not creating anything and were completely flat every game, but that's just not the case. We dominated the match last night and created 20 attempts. We suffered at the hands of a blatant smash and grab and the whole football world knows the result didn't match the game.
Yes, results have been very poor but we all knew realistically this season wasn't really about winning anything or getting into the champions league, it was a transitional and rebuilding year and we all know there have been signs of progress and improvement, they've been obvious for all to see. (Look how much praise we were giving our team only 1 week ago)
Lets support our manager and give him time. Time in football isn't a few months either, its a couple of seasons
Liverpool will be back to the glory days, I know it. Keep the faith
Kelly Red
12 Feb 2013 09:21:59
How can a team like Liverpool not have beaten a team in top 10 yet this season? Gaz
Because Liverpool never learn from there mistakes. We spent the first half the season watching suarez get the ball in a wide posistion and look up to finnd every on of our attacking players stood outside the penalty area. We then signed sturridge and watched him score some tap-ins from charging into the box when the ball is played accross. Sturridge gets injured and we again watch our entire midfeild stand out side the box as suarez again crosses along an unchallaged back line. i'm a fan of rodgers but i'd love to know why he didint start Borini ahead of at least one midfielder in a home game against west brom. let's see if he can cut at this level he's not going to get better on the bench and we allready know shelvey behing suarez is not the awnser. Does anyone know if Assiadi has returned or why he has not been used more frequently, he looked allright on the two occasions we saw him.
12 Feb 2013 09:14:12
A lot of daft criticism being bandied about - we played ok and certainly did enough to win. Penalty miss changed the game and we got sucker punched - this is hardly the end of the world. Thought that fans last night, and throughout the season, have been poor at Anfield. How many times has it been more like a church than a colisseum this season? Fans need to make their voices heard, let the players know they support them 100%. The most animated I heard fans was when they were groaning at a misplaced pass or getting on a players back, it's sad and doesn't help. Add to that fans getting off with 8 minutes to go + injury time and it paints a sad picture of modern day Anfield. If they allow safe terracing to become a part of English football then that's the first thing we need to do to the Kop. We could also do with lowering ticket places a little so the hardcore bunch i. e. the ones who get rowdy an make a load of noise, find it easier to get to home games - last nights support, like so many games this season, was tepid and uninspiring.
SMc
12 Feb 2013 09:12:06
Top 4 - we are having a laugh, we are an average middle of the table team with some good players and some very bad players.
12 Feb 2013 09:07:54
Really dissappointed in the amount of so called fans ridiculing the club.
You cannot have it your own way that Liverpool fc will win every single match.
We need to always remember where we are in terms of rebuilding. Do you not know that we nearly lost the club recently under Hicks and Gillett?
In Brendan Rodgers we have a young, hungry manager. He is not a miracle worker. Rodgers, along with his back room staff and the owners have got the club moving in the right direction. We have got all the old high earners off the wage bill and replaced it with young talent on smaller wages.
The style of football we have produced at times this season has been a joy to watch. But remember it is the first season. We should not expect to win every match or play well every game. Every game in the premier league is a hard fixture.
How long did it take Fergie to win the league with United? A long time. so why are we expecting Rodgers to win it straight away?
We as a club need consistency, and that consistency comes from letting the same manager have several years in charge before his future is decided.
Our sole aim this year should be our league position. Last year we finished 8th so our target should be 7th. This would be progress. Anything higher would be great.
I would love more then anything for our club to be winning the league again, however I am a realist. It takes time.
RedRocket
12 Feb 2013 09:35:28
whats actually the meaning of hungry manager?
is carlo anchelotti or jurgan klopp. not hungry for success?
nonsense.
As per Steve Machmon once said. no top managers wanted to come to us last season.
and don't expect anyone of jose mourniho calibre to manage us.
12 Feb 2013 09:04:30
Lots of poor performances last night but how bad were Johnson, Agger, Lucas, Shelvey and Borini.
I just don't understand how you could leave out Enrique. Top of the list
The only thing I can disagree with is the fact that you left Jose Enrique off the list.
12 Feb 2013 09:03:05
In the tunnel it should now read 'WELCOME TO THE ANFIELD LIBRARY' because the atmosphere is non existent.
12 Feb 2013 08:53:45
Lets take a look at the money Rodgers has spent and the results.
Borini - Useless 10 million gone
Allen - Useless 15 million and 2 million signing fee
Assadi- Useless he is so rubbish 2 million gone
Sturridge- Only good buy
coutinho - who knows how good he will be the jury is out on him.
That's pretty poor if you ask me. Out both cups embarrassed by oldam well beaten by Swansea. 9th in the prem is not good enough he has done nothing good here we are worse than last season. We are closer to the bottom than the top.
I sense quite a bit of anger in your post and quite clearly not a rodgers fan, but that's fair enough. A couple of questions though who do you want to replace BR with and i'm not saying your wrong or right for that matter but how do you know how good Assadi is, has anyone seen enough of him to judge. He looked more than ok for the 10mins we've seen and begs the question what the f**K has he done to not get a look in before now, its not like we were the most competative squad, is there an injury, personal issue. I know he went to the nations but should of returned by now they got knocked out early on.
12 Feb 2013 11:26:13
i would like to replace him with pellergini if we finish at the mid table he was linked to us when rafa was sacked
i think he is a top manager.
Ayush
12 Feb 2013 08:50:16
Rogers saying about experience and organisation when he brought Carragher back (was he just listening to Gerrard who was trying to get his mate Carra back in the side).
It's funny how we haven't won a game since he has been back in. Last 4, lost 2 drawn 2, conceding 9 goals.
Out of the FA cup, Carling cup (or whatever they call it now), dropping DOWN the league, and the first team WBA have beaten this year.
It's so frustrating when teams above us lose, and we have a chance to make up some ground, but it NEVER happens. The management, and a lot of the players are talking themselves up as a top 4 side, and then they disappoint everyone with another defeat, and at home to boot!
Liverpool make it so hard for us supporters to stay positive & motivated.
I just wish I could REALLY see some signs of improvement.
Unfortunately, our next game is against a side who HAVE improved significantly, and a side who will probably beat us AGAIN on the home turf of FORTRESS ANFIELD.
I think BR is close to bringing his short lived LFC career to an end.
We cannot keep on spouting off about how well we performed, how many passes we had, and like last night, how many shots we had (25. but only 7 on target).
It's getting so boring.
KBL
12 Feb 2013 08:44:54
Didnt post last night was to angry and allways best to sleep on a bad result but I am starting to run out of excuses it was pathetic what on earth was BR doing reverting back to that system yes I know DS was out but JS FB could have still played that system we were at home and had to win if we stood anychance of top 4!im at anfield sunday for swansea game and was hoping to go there with a little bit of hope for top 4 it will be the last time this season I get to go there and will be last time I get to see carra and suarez play and anyone who thinks suarez will stick around next season is deluded he will be 27 and you couldn't blame him for moving on and I for one will be devastated! King kenny
12 Feb 2013 08:25:50
Well I've said it before in previous posts and ill stand by it more so after this game, we are poor defensively.
Ive said GJ is not a full back in my view, i'm sure some of you will say different but your living in cuckoo land i'm afraid.
If you can't see his deficiences defending after watching recent games, poor positioning and man to man etc your watching blinkered.
This brings me onto Agger, I think Belfast Pete, Mushroom and a few others were quick to slate me when I said he's not that great defending, good player ill admit but not a solid defender for me, hence 2 goals last night and errors in other games.
And if you look at 1 corner I think he falls over on his arse that's how good he is, and as for all your zonal marking and blaming Rogers, LFC have been zonal marking since the Frenchman I think, waste of time in my book.
Man to man for me and with decent defenders who are mobile across the ground, good headers of the ball re -set pieces and good ball skills, for me I only see some of these qualities in our defenders i'm afraid.
Enrique had a poor game I thought in defence as well, the only one to come through with any credit last night was JC in defence. Credit were credits due at least he challenges for headers etc.
This brings me onto Shelvey, again I've said he's not LFC quality, way to slow and 1 dimentional, need to get rid I think as he doesn't impress me at all when he plays, and offers little to the side.
Another thing I don't understand, the players get tens of thousands per week to use a ball in games and training, hours upon hours on end, but they can't trap a ball or pass a ball, doesn't that seem odd to you lot?
Something is seriously wrong when we dominate teams in this way when we give the oppisition the ball through poor passing, have over 20 attempts on goal I think, and they have 2 or 3 and score, didn't the same happen against Villa?
So as much as I love LFC and will always support the owners, players and manager, the time in coming for a big change as this my friends is simply nowhere near good enough.
Unless the weaker positions within the team get addressed ASAP, and the poorer players are moved on to pastures new and some quality is brought in, we will always and only be a top ten team, I don't care who said were improving, ill admit some games we are good to watch on an attacking scale, but defensively we are inept.
Im sure ill get the usual you don't know what your talking about, GJ and the are the worlds best etc etc, but I think its the people who defend the current defenders are the ones who are clueless in my book. i'm not asking for them to be hung for their crimes lol, but they simply are not good enough this season for whatever reason.
well enough said so ill bid you all a good day living the dream.
Scouse Red
If you have been watching Agger then you would know that BR hasn't been using Zonal marking. Agger was trying to follow his man and lost him. That is NOT zonal.
12 Feb 2013 11:32:35
it is very unfair to criticize shelvey he was played out of position. he played for eng u21 last week and was a brilliant. borini or sterling should have played instead of him.
Ayush
12 Feb 2013 08:21:21
just home from nightshift and thought I would get a quick read at the the banter wish I hadn't of bothered now, if you can't support us when we lose then don't support us at all.
gee man
This saying is getting boring mate think of something original or don't say nothing at all. All of Rodgers signings apart from DS have been average to poor.
If it doesn't hurt you that much you feel ill when we lose then YOU are not a true supporter, so don't give me this
If you don't support us when we lose sh*t. We care about what's happening and don't just follow blindly, god knows we pay enough money to the club to be able to voice an opinion.
Dav
To the no-name poster replying to gee man - if you 'don't say nothing' you have to say something! Have a moan at someone but at least talk sense
Puzzled
12 Feb 2013 07:39:14
ed. mng. good work. awful awful result.
Saw the game yesterday. ,. and dissapointed with the starting 11.
at home. you need to atatck and score goals in the first half. and then control the game in the second.
with only one striker. up front. we gave West brom a chance to be in the game.
the defended well. in 45 mts. and then they started believeing they could snatch atleast a draw.
pleased with gerrard and lucas. they were pretty good. gerrard had some neat and superd passes across the field.
lucas was good. never allowed any good open play by the West bron in first half.
But there duty ends there.
Then it was upto the frontmen to score and attack.
Why on earth did we signed Borini is beyond me?
yesterday was his day to show, play full 90 mts and gain match fitness.
dont know why are we protecting him?
shelvey should have never included in starting 11.
wish we bough turan or mertens instead of countinho.
would have stealed the match from the wings. {Ed013's Note - Morning, Liverpool need to be more Clinical in front of goal mate}
12 Feb 2013 09:08:59
billions of people across globe who watches soccer know Liverpool need an out and out striker.
y on earth are we keep buying players like countinho, ince etc.
one striker yesterday. would have sealed the day.
klas huntelar, miss him.
if wanted to have the skill and width.
y not mertens or turan.
I pleaded to buy honda instead of countinho.
we are quiet good at the back and also in midfield.
lucas and gerrard and experienced and excellent CM players. both compliment pretty well.
problem is our attacka nd full backs.
never inconsistent.
and what's this zonal marking?
Our biggest Transfer in summer will be keeping suarez.
if he leaves. we are again 4 season back.
yes we would get 50 mill. but who will join us?
no world class players will come to us in this condition.
Er. Sturridge?
FowlerisGod
12 Feb 2013 08:08:27
The players we bought - Coates, Allen and Borini - the players we could of bought for the same money or there abouts -Gary Cahill, Diame Michu! As for manager Harry Rednap!
thes mell
12 Feb 2013 08:06:50
If we don't beat Swansea the Club must take a serious look at Brendan Rodgers position. It really has been a shocking season compared with the same time last year. We have not improved at all.
12 Feb 2013 08:02:59
As a lifelong fan I always like to judge our team by saying to myself how many of our players would get into the Manchester United team at this present time. It pains me to say that I am afraid I would have to say none. Very sad, but it just shows you how far the mighty have fallen.
Well said, you are so so correct.
Well I don't know about that i'd take suarez, gerrard, johnson and agger
GK De Gea
LB Evra
CB Vidic
CB Agger
RB Johnson
CM Gerrard
LM giggs
RM Nani
RW Suarez
ST RVP
LW Rooney
You are 100 % correct. Manchester United studied Liverpool's brand of football and achieved success. we forgot what we taught them.
12 Feb 2013 08:02:24
We had more possession, we done this we done that blah blah blahWE LOST, This level of football from LFC is unacceptable and to all you Bredophiles, all I can say if it was anyone else you would be screaming for their head, and before all the munchkins jump in saying " If you don't like it go and support someone else" you obviously don't get it, I could support someone else as much as I could change the colour of my eyes. I really don't think Rodgers is up to the job. Personally I think that with Kenny or Rafa at least we had faith someone who we trusted to come good, but I really can't see it with Brendon. and as I type I can see all the" you shouldn't have an opinion nazis scratching at their keyboards, but I've paid my due's, so basically I don't care what you think, I've probably been to more Everton matches than you've been to Liverpool, (my best mate was a blue nose I used to go with him and him with me in the good old days) Peace.
Dav
Dav take a chill pill man, we all know its been an incredibly frustating well a few years supporting LFC. I personally hate fans just as much at those who keep attacking other LFC fans aswell as the person boo-boys.
I haven't got a clue what the problem is we seem to keep having one of those games. Is Rodgers up to the job? I don't know but I do know we be stupid to do anything about it untill the end of the season.
If we can bring in a few more quality players in the summer we should be in a position to take top 4. However I do disagree with your point saying there's no hope there was a lot of hope and confidence before the west brom match and a few wins down the line the same will happen again.
J.
sorry for the long post
12 Feb 2013 07:48:35
That was indicative of the team we have been over the last few seasons. We can never build on good performances. The atmosphere at Anfield last night was dead. Our Time will come again. Probably sometime in the future when we have a totally different set up. Hang in there v
12 Feb 2013 07:17:07
We missed a host of chances last night (some decent saves by Foster), Gerrard missed a penalty then West Brom went on to score. I could have written the script after the first 20mins.
As a team, we look more threatening and score more goals against sides that play open football, we capitalise on the space. BUT and I will say a big BUT, we always struggle against teams that come to Anfield and defend. We simply do not have the quality, determination nor ruthless mentality to break these teams down.
If you look at United, they wear teams down and stretch defences with their pace and use of the wide areas, we don't.
To me, the team lacked confidence knowing that Suarez was pushed further forward with not much support. We missed Surridge last night or A another striker. Borini looked very rusty much to the dismay and groans from pepole around me on the Kop. Listening to the phone in on the way back from the stadium, it seems most reds are of the same opinion with regards to Borini and one or two others
It was always going to be a season of up's and down's but really, 3 points against WBA, Sunderland and Stoke at home is a must. It's no good saying we had 60% possession, 20 shots on goal if we don't win. A 1-0 win and 3 points with dogged, gritty performances is what we sometimes need.
Fowler came on the pitch at half time last night, if only he was a few years younger.
Nicky D
12 Feb 2013 06:51:26
A number of players were below par last night, especially Enrique and Johnson, but Rodgers has to shoulder a lot of blame for his poor tactics and decision making.
Firstly why change the teams formation when we had been playing so well lately? Sturridge could not play so just replace him with Borini, Sterling or Coutinho. Play Luis up front and one of those three on the left. That would have left Lucas and Stevie playing as deep lying midfielders and Hendo in the more advanced position where he has excelled of late.
Shelvey was again anonomous in a role he is clearly not comfortable with, we had no width on the left as Hendo drifted in, Luis was totally isolated up front, and Lucas and Stevie struggled to dominate in the centre without Hendo's energy and work rate. Why change from our usual 4-3-3 only Brendan knows?
Then when Rodgers had the opportunity to get our shape back with his substitutions he takes off two midfielders and puts on two forwards. Shelvey I agreed with but why take off Henderson? I think there is a prize available for anyone who can guess what our formation was then 4-2-4? 4-2-3-1? Who knows, the players obviously didn't.
I'm not anti BR but can anyone really hand on heart say we have progressed under his management? 9th in the league, out of both domestic cups and likely to be out of Europe by the end of next week. Even Brendan doesn't rate his signings any more.
Norfolk Red
12 Feb 2013 06:01:01
Hi Eds, i'm not here to post anything about last night's match. Does anyone in here notice that usually whenever Rodgers or any of the players come out with the "we can make top 4" talk, we will play badly or lose the following match?
Cheers
ZA13 {Ed013's Note - Its called sods law mate}
BR needs to zip it but the Guru in him can't do that!
12 Feb 2013 05:33:08
I don't really post regularly but I have to make this point about Borini. He doesn't bring anything to the team. No speed, strength and movement. I just think we should sell him in the summer and even though he's young, I just cannot see his potential. I am a die hard Liverpool fan and support the players and the manager but in Borini's case I'm afraid Rodgers has got it wrong. He did score in the Europa League earlier this season and I think that will be it for him. Don't think he'll score again this season and can't even see him getting an assist he's that poor. Championship quality at best.
Red PG
12 Feb 2013 04:47:19
We need to get behind the team blah blah, and Rodgers saying we dominated the game blah blah. i'm getting very sick of hims lame excuse.
As I watched the game yesterday, one thing was vissible. We didn't have a link up man for Suarez, he hardly got the ball. We passed it down the back and into the wings where the full backs were, then we sent in back to the centre backs again, each and every game we've been doing that, can't BR SEE THAT WE NEED A NO. 10 LIKE SILVA, XAVI, BEN AFRA, TARAABT. For crying out loud in the first 45 min you could see that. We kept passing it sideways and back, no one is brave enough to take on players except Agger. And westbrom just sat and waited for us to shot ourselves in the foot, everyone knows that if you dominate a game and don't score ull conceed, its just how the game is.
I won't lie, I was very upset by yesterdays game. I really think shelvey should move aside for suso in that role or coutihno. But hey BR is the manager.
An Angry fan
Ciah
We don't need a no. 10 because we don't play with a number 10
Pity agger didn't take on the two players that scored
Agger is over rated he does not know how to say with an attacker
Watch him over the season see for yourself
Yes agger makes some timely interceptors that look good but overall he's a poor defender and more often than not flatters to deceive
Xavi not a number 10
FowlerisGod
12 Feb 2013 03:56:01
Hey eds. First time poster and I just had a few comments to say after reading all the criticism the team are getting over the loss. People need to stop blaming Rodgers for every single loss and especially this one! Our team is probably playin the most attractive football in the bpl with rodgers under the helm. You have to be blind to not see that we completely dominated that game. did we deserve to win? ya, probably, but we didn't. We all want champions league, but you should know that it was most likely not achievable this year. WBA did the 3 main things you need to win in defending, making most of your opportunities, and having your goalie making saves when needed. Foster was a beast tonight! Just cause we lose a game here or there doesn't mean we can cut every player you want or that BR has brought in. Allen carried us in the beginning of the season and now he has hit a little bit of a snag, but he will come to good use i'm sure. Borini is a full italian international and is only 21 who's been injured most of the year! Give a man a break. Liverpool will be great once again, but we have to be patient. YNWA
NDred {Ed013's Note - Hello and welcome, good to see a fan with faith}
Good Post Clearly we are doing something right dominating most of the games, were just not clinical enough in front of goal which will hopefully change with the new additions and too sloppy at the back which I think is a major problem.
Reina for me still has 'it' however its fair to say he's inconsistent he made a brilliant save agaisnt west brom but the second goal I think he should have easily saved. Personally I think if we sell him he wil rediscover his old form I think he just needs a new challenge especially with kuyt leaving.
With Coates not looking like he's not going to live up to his potential at least not without going on loan, carragher retiring and with skrtel making mistakes few would argue that a CB is required.
J.
12 Feb 2013 03:17:13
Now honestly what went wrong in that little margin of time after the game against the s. te. I can't put my finger on it. Although Sturridge might have to do a lot with it, he was our best player at that game and it seems we sorely missed him. Suarez looked spent, along with Stevie and the two full backs played horrible, they made so many mistakes I couldn't believe it. But something must be wrong with the team's attitude when so-called "easier" games come around (for example Aston Villa, Oldham etc. ). So whoever suggests or believes these games are just a walk in the park should be benched until he deserves to play for the LFC shirt. If it comes from the management then that would be really sad! Something has to change, this club is meant to compete with the best.
Wake up you're at LFC!
HK
12 Feb 2013 02:37:51
I won't be bothered in seeing the back of
Reina skrtel johnson enrique downing borini allen carra assaidi
+ competition for RB CB DM LB and Gerrard replacement
So we need about 14 new players in the summer
I won't get my hopes up and if i'm honest I don't think we'll get champions league next season either
Downing played really well last night and we don't need that many players
12 Feb 2013 02:34:37
Tonight's verdict.
Summary - WBA smash and grab!
We had 20 shots, they had 3-4.
They Sat back, worked hard and waited for their chance and took it.
Foster played a blinder, we had another of of those days (as under rafa and Kk)
played great for 60-65mins and should have been 3 up.
And that's with players playing out of position!
Good points - Hendo, downing, Lucas.
All three were excellent, Lucas is getting back to his level, broke play up many times and passed forward.
Why Hendo and downers were took off. beyond me. Momentum totally went after they went off. Downers best game, great wing play, just as we expected last season.
Poor - Johnson, Enrique, agger. even carra looked out of sorts. And therein lies the problem - the back 4. Far too fragile even though they're vastly experienced.
'Why? Moments' - jonjo, sterling, Borini.
All 3 for different reasons.
Jonjo in wrong position and looked lost.
Sterling. lightweight, seems to get the ball and hesitate for a split second. in that sec opportunity gone.
Borini. If he's a striker, then he should start for DS
AWOL - Stevie and Suarez. Both weren't at races today.
So what went wrong?
Bren had what I would call a 'Rafa moment'.
Teams been playing well, Suarez on inside left with Danny up top.
Danny out so he changed formation. Why?
Why not start with Borini up top instead of jonjo? afterall he's a striker.
Why take off best 2 players tonight?
Why start with jonjo when he's been out of team/off pace?
Why have the same back 4 ftom last year suddenly become so bad?
In short, much of tonight's problems were created by BR when clearly the massive changes weren't necessary.
Possession is good but only if its effective in the right areas and tonight it wasn't.
BR- I wouldn't say I'm a massive fan but I'm not a hater either.
i would like him to succeed But untimately he's the master of his own downfall.
Granted he's not on the pitch to miss the penalty or the chances, but it would have been so much better to stick with the same game plan as in last 2 games.
Of all his signings, only sturridge has shown any form.
But we've crying out for a striker before Bren came so no great master stroke there.
Allen was ok then had a confidence crisis, Borini was finding his feet the. Got injured. Sahin hardly played, assaidi same.
most interesting. not one of the starting 11 tonight was his signing.
And all those talking about a young side. ?
Jonjo 20-21, Hendo 22 but rest were 25 and over and all experienced PL players.
So that then points to one thing. BR.
For me, hard to to admit, but we're nowhere near top 4.
We're Far too inconsistent compared to others above us and until he gets his head around the fact that doing the simple things is actually easier, we won't become the team we all want.
Sinner21
Henderson, Clowning and Lucas were most certainly not excellent last night. Lucas was poor particularly
FowlerisGod
12 Feb 2013 02:12:24
Allen borini have so far been poor signings but still cost 10 million pounds less than Carroll
Dunno whether to laugh or cry
we sit below baggies and swans whilst utd have their 20th title in the bag and are still in for a shot at a treble this season
The players deserve more than a boo, the owners aren terrible but buck ends with them as they've hired all these clowns
12 Feb 2013 01:51:55
Thought Hendo and downing were solid when on. Would have liked to see just the one switch not Shelby and Hendo. Shelvy was bad. Johnson and gerrard even suarez looked tied. Enrique is inconsistent, agger had bad game but not going to knock him as he has been solid this year. Sterling and borini did nothing. Sterling still young, but the borini buy concerns me. He has had no run of form that can be considered close to good. At least Allen who is out of form now, started strong, he is only 22 and will come more consistent with age. I think while we should have got better result tonight, the double sub was the key, we lost some major momentum and control in midfield was gone without Hendo, I think a simple Shelvy for coutinho for have been the right move.
I don´t want to be giving Agger sh** but if you look at the last 3 matches he has made big mistakes that lead to goals. Borini just hasn´t done anything since he got here, just hope BR buys need a year to mold in like kenny´s did.
Mistake playing shelvey from the start it changed the tactics that we used the previous two games as shelvey does not bring any thing to the team he is in the same class as coates in my opinion and the manager his buys are worse than kk except sturridge as he will be great for us but on last nights performance we need another 8 players sorry but that's how I feel good try against arsenal and city but last night back to the form we had at the start of the season I also think br is not what we need.
12 Feb 2013 08:00:39
mate our starting eleven was not right we were playing with 4 midfielders shelvey was sometimes playing as a false nine. and borini was not that bad actually I thing he or sterling should have started today.
Ayush
12 Feb 2013 01:45:15
I know we do not play with wingers but I think now would be the best time to think about buying a couple of wingers who can hold up the ball and deliver the killer passes.
You only have to look at man united to see how they use the width to pull defences apart then get the ball into dangerous positions for the strikers to finish.
You need wingers to deal with these types of teams that defend with 10 men behind the ball.
That is how man united get three points week in week out, and that is why we don't.
Red Lee
Agree, however we have an amazing knack of never having knack in the box, when any cross is delivered so fear we my just spend money for the ball to be knocked into the centre half or keeper for practice.
RedLee
Is downing and sterling not classed as wingers nemore? good one
Downing and Sterling are wingers, but Sterling is only 18 and has a lot to learn. Downing is ok but we need someone with that bit more quality.
Red Lee
12 Feb 2013 01:18:27
what most Liverpool never admit is it doesn't matter how many chances we create, completed passes or how long we dominate games. what matters is the 3 points only one team went home smiling today and it wasnt Liverpool.
i don't care if we play like stoke as far as we win games nobody would give a damn. our players need to start grinding out results anyway they can, not rodgers coming out after we failed to win saying we dominated the match we were unlucky blah blah blah
rodgers has signed six players and only one is in the starting eleven says it all really
anybody slating agger and skrtel are hypocrites I have seen enough of them to say they are one of the best in the league. its rodgers philosophy you should question with his dumb zonal marking
What a load of rubbish you want to play like stoke? We wouldn't be moving forward if we did
We just need players who know how to score unfortunately for us he was injured today and suarez was left isolated
Shelvey borini downing are no juan matas antonio valencias and david silas are they?
Until we get that class i. e muniain, eriksen, and youngsters of that level we won't rise
Hooefully coutinho is that but dunno
You are absolutely right. How can we be pleased with our play when we can't score?
12 Feb 2013 01:03:24
Hang on, one defeat and all these fans who last week were saying we are amazing and can challenge for top 4 now say we are a mid table side? Nothing has changed since last week, we have been a mid table team all season and it was just the purchase or sturridge who maybe gave us some hope. Rodgers has signed six players so far: Borini 11m - incapable of making any kind of impact and is yet to score; Allen 15m - you all loved him claiming he was the welsh xavi, you guys are insane has he even made an assist yet? Over rated and over priced, we could have put in a bid for Joao Mountiho with that kinda money; Sahin - Barely given a chance, clearly has quality but wasn't utilised well by the manager; Assaidi 3m - Barely given a chance, will probably be off in summer; Sturridge 12m - can honestly say I have always liked him as a player but wasn't too keen on us spending over 10m on him, however so far he's been just what we need; Coutinho 8m-10m - only got a brief bit of game time today, liked him when he was a teen playing quite regular for Inter, but seems suspicious why Inter would sell a very young player with quality for so little when other young players are sold for much more, we'll have to see. So by the looks of that, only 1 player out of six (so far) has shown any sign of improving our team. Should we really be trusting this man with our clubs future? Clearly void of an eye for talent.
Carl
So it's better to be eternally pessimistic than to be occasionally optimistic?
You sound like a barrel of laughs.
Red7.
Wait till he goes for williams then he will be found out
12 Feb 2013 01:02:02
Not a rumour. just a statement. WBA game just not good enough. 1 step forward and 2 back.
12 Feb 2013 00:46:00
Has Rodgers got nuts to give them the be locking they deserve?
Yep!
To be fair, only a select few need a word.
Good all round performance, just a visit from the old demons that never let us put the ball in the net. i'd hoped we'd seen the last of that misfortune. Hopefully now, after some of the missed chances against WBA, that demon has finally left our club behind. PLEASE GOD, PLEASE!
12 Feb 2013 00:45:35
Before I ask this no I do not want Rodgers sacked, I will support him and I wish for nothing more than for him to succeed.
However I saw some post's earlier about Mourinho and am wondering if anybody knows why he said he'd never manage us? did he give a reason?
Plymouth Red.
Mourinho needs a ton of money we don't have
Because we turned him down before he went for chelsea.
Maybe still bitter from Luis Garcia's goal in the CL in 2005
Cuchulainn's Hounds
Lucky you left that paragraph gap in your post. Because there is quite a bit written between the lines here.
Translation.
"Don't want Rodgers to go. But, if Mourinho was available, i'd be happy to do a complete 180 in style of play and club ethics and see him come".
12 Feb 2013 08:11:28
i think he is inexperienced I do want him to do well but he really got the team wrong yesterday now BR don't have excuses of having less options upfront but I will still wait till the end of the season BR should atleast aim for 5th. I don't want mourinho one manager who I do want is manuel pellergini or else if we don't get him than I think we should stick with rodgers.
Ayush
12 Feb 2013 00:37:19
I can see why people are worrying, if we don't grab a champions league spot it looks like we have some good players leaving. If we have no champions league and no good players we won't attract other top players without bucket loads of cash (which we don't have)
The owners have set ideas about the kind of players they want, although it seems like they know very little about the game.
It seems like we take risks on going players just for the sake of them maybe making us a profit when they are sold.
I adore Liverpool and would follow them no matter wht league they play in no matter if they are relegated season after season but at the moment it does seen to be one step forward and 2 back, I understand fans need to get behind the players but fans need something to cheer about.
We can sign good players, but if those players are replacements for other good players then we are constantly rebuilding. How long can players be happy being told we are rebuilding. For example, we have some decent players and are doing well but constantly falling short of the top spot, so we strengthen the problem areas that we have and try to get the team to gel, during this time the decent players we have are getting sick of waiting to challenge and leave. So we sign someone else which takes time and everyone else wants to challenge so yet leave and the cycle starts over again. Rebuilding can only take 2-3 seasons tops or you are constantly replacing players who want to win.
It's a long time since we had our hands on the league, it's painful to watch other teams take the title year after year. I want to believe that we will take it again one year and we will have another golden era, as do all the fans, but how realistic is that? As I said I will support the team to the ends of the earth but I really can see why people complain and worry.
I hope everything turns out well, keep pushing on and pray we improve but the more we lose te harder it will be. obviously.
I'm probably due a lot of abuse now which I understand but I just needed to vent a bit as its so frustrating the situation we are in.
Words of solice are welcome as is criticism if it makes you feel better.
Ashy
Suarez is the ONLY GOOD player that may leave
Reina skrtel agger johnson enrique downing borini allen I wouldn't give a flying duck about seeing the back of
12 Feb 2013 04:01:27
Ashy mate forget golden era we might win league in 5/8 years but never going to repeat our past success of 70/80s it was a different era with different manager. Paisley was Genius, and manger like him don't come often. Their is nothing to do with quality or money just look at united these is the weakest united in years and have one of the weakest midfield in league but they are top of the table its because fergie is Genius as I said managers like him don't come often once he retires united are not going to be same or dominate epl like they have been doing for 25 years its impossible even if they bring Guardiola or Mourinho and spend buckets of money, it doesn't work like that or look at madrid they had dominated world football and are 9 times european champions but never have repeated their past glories despite haveing unlimited money to spend, world class players and always top manager managing them.
Money is not everything or else chelsea and Man city would be dominating domestic and european footy.
12 Feb 2013 00:18:39
Anybody still grabbing at the "4th spot" straws?ANYONE??
tobi3
thatcoolheadedboy
It will finish, UTD, City, Spurs and Chelsea. 4th? 6th would be lucky!
thes mell
12 Feb 2013 00:11:45
Firstly before the season started our target wasn't even Top 4 with a new young manager and experienced players leaving in Maxi, Kuyt, Bellamy with a young and thin squad.
However that result was embarassing! Over the 2 games we have lost 5-0 to WBA! 5-0!
From sitting in 7th looking to close in on Everton to 6th we now have fallen to 9TH!
I'm not the type to bash the players and manager infact I support Rodgers BUT we're does the problem lie.
One point is- The players have not been good enough!
Some of these players are just average and most of them don't play with the heart or purpose with a strong mentatlity!
Also Rodgers could be looked at as performances do go back to the manager.
Look at Skrtel and Agger from being TOP defenders Skrtel being Last season Player of the year with the team even though finishing in 8th having one of the best defence records in the lge.
Now to some of the worst players of our season?
Yh Skrtel and Agger have been shaky BUT how has our defence all of a sudden become rubbish!
Could be down to maybe Rodgers tactics?
When teams have attacked us wether it be Arsenal or 'weak' Villa we have been caught out. Teams seem to be able to get through easily and we look weak against counter attacks.
We lacked speed and tempo in the passing and movement in the players.
How can you expect to score past a defence when your passing slowly and attackers aren't moving around.
Liverpool have really frustrated me for soo long!
I back Rodgers but 1 thing is I have to question his signings. I actually was exited signing Allen.
BUT 25M for allen and borini! C'mon
We could of got Diame Free. Go for likes of Strootman and Mertens for same price maybe cheaper!
Coutinho is a talent! He is young with great potential! BUT that's the thing 'young' and just 'potential' we need someone PROVEN!
Likes of Mertens etc.
Seems like we need a GK, CB, CM and maybe a Attacker
Practicaly a new player for every position.
GK- ther a soo many options. A Host of GKs in Germany.
CB-Hope we get someone fairly young BUT with a good amount of exp. Playing.
Likes of Alderweild, De Vrij, Howdes etc.
CM- Obv choice Diame, Capoue, Fer etc. powerhouse players. If not then a Alonso-esque type like Benat! Who is quality!
But I reckon Kevin Strootman would be good. With the combo of having a physical and combative side with also playmaking passing abilty!
ATT-? Erickson has been mentioned? Mertens?
Look at Spurs and Everton.
How have they overtaken us?
I don't remember them spending BIG £ss.
They took it in steps
Look at Spurs under Redknapp they played great footy and built a team with clever signings.
Shrewd signings.
From likes of Gomes they upgraded to Friedel now Lloris.
Woodgate to Gallas now Vertongen.
Palacious to Parker to Holtby
From st like keane to pav. Now Adebayour and now targeting likes of Damao!
They built a good foundation of players and understanding under arry' and are continuing with AVB by slowing building and now look good faves for 4th!
Everton
I have seen so many jokes about their money etc.
And the fact is without spending much they have gotten a better 'TEAM' then Lfc.
Individually Lfc may have some better players than them But they have a better unit!
They gave Moyes TIME and he built a understanding and a strong mentality with his team!
With time his players are now emboddied in to his system sharing a strong mentality!
Liverpool NEED to give Rodgers TIME and Support!
They don't need Big money signings But EFFECTIVE signings.
Yes if a big money signing is ther go get him!
But they should buy clever, Look into LaLiga or the Dutch league with great talents like Mertens, Strootman, Windalum, Narsingh, Bony, Lens, Maher etc.
I'm sure most LFC fans would agree with me
And the ones that don't let's see a reply with your ideas and thoughts
F5
To suggest everton and tottenham haven't spent big is ridculous. They have spent substantial amounts when needed. Much like we have now
We just need to be more clinical and we'd win these games.
I agree that both Spurs and Everton have progressed slowly but surely over the past few seasons and both now have very good teams.
You do need stability to create the right environment for growth but at the same time you cannot keep going down a blind alley.
I sympathise with FSG as they will again have a tough decision to make in the summer and it should be based on whether they can see signs of progress under BR. At the moment our results have not improved as shown by our league position and our early exit from both cups. Is our squad stronger despite spending nearly £50M? The fact that even Rodgers doesn't start any of his signings bar Sturridge answers that one.
Unless we see real progress in the last dozen league games and finish in the top 6 I think FSG can only take one course of action in the summer.
Norfolk Red
12 Feb 2013 00:02:18
does anyone agree that saurez was disgracefull tonight. he was throwing himself to the ground at every opertunity, the pen was never a pen, its sad to see from such a great player. I bet a certain G. Bale is laughing tonight
He is always that way when he is frustrated. as for the pen we were lucky and we still failed to capitalize
i would rather have a diver like bale and suarez than the cultured borini and allen playing for Liverpool
Nope I thought it was a pen myself I just can't get enough
12 Feb 2013 00:01:01
Hendersons flick at the near post was close to being a classy goal.
Downings left footed piledriver had Foster struggling to keep it out.
Apart from these two excellent efforts at goal both players played as well as could be expected in a misfiring line up.
Then they were subbed? Why?
Brendan you need to sit in the stands, you will get a better vision of the game as it unfolds.
Or at least have one of your oppo's in the stands with an informed opinion.
How the hell you can see the game properly from the touchline is beyond me.
No wonder all Managers make strange decisions during the game. Think when they get it right it's just pure luck.
kidmillions
kidmillions
Mate they are never Liverpool quality players. or should I say the old Liverpool quality players. We are awful at the moment and these two unadventurous players are part of the cause. The reason why we were bad was simply down to mismanagement today. We still haven't addressed the teams need to get up for the little games at home. We were sent out with out any passion and lacked firepower again. Why are we playing with only Suarez up front at home? If BR rates Borini he should have started him. I personally do not think he is good but he might improve with age. Sterling should have played from the start or Borini. that's my opinion any way
Slowpoke
It was kind of shocking, because immediately he took off downing and hendo we lost our width on the right where majority of our attack came from and also westbrom had enough space in the middle to attack
12 Feb 2013 08:20:36
i actually agree with kid milloins hendreson was very good even shelvey looked great with u21 but yesterday poor lad was played out of position and than the substitution were icing on the cake BR removed 2 midfielders we were left with gerrard and lucas it was the same 442 formation which we played against oldham and than we we conceded I thought BR would have learned his lesson from the game oldham defeat but at that time he was busy criticizing youngsters.
Ayush
Slowpoke: I actually agree on Henderson and Downing, there just not good enough in an attacking sense ( can't score) but in last nights game they were 2 of the better players on the pitch.
kidmillions
11 Feb 2013 23:57:10
Had Gerrard done a ''Lampard' on that penalty, things would have been different. Anyway, Borini, Caroll or Lukaku? That beast came on for just a few minutes and the impact was obvious!
RedBeer.
Quick sign him he scored a goal against us!
11 Feb 2013 23:53:00
i don't think we can complain too much about tonight, we created a lot just couldn't make the break through, and the game Foster was having I can't understand why Gerrard didn't put his foot through the ball for the pen? very strange decision, but one of those nights.
What worries me is not Rodgers ability as a coach, its his signings, if he can spend the bulk of a limited budget so many million on Allen and the same for Borini and think they are going to improve us as a team, I would be reluctant to give him any money in the summer because god knows what he would do with it. usually you name any player and you can instantly think of a quality attribute that player has to his game, Allen and Borini I could not think of one strength either of those two have.
maybe Brendan needs some advice and help from a top scouting department to assist him in finding quality in the summer.
so far Sturridge has impressed hopefully he will go on to be a star and future signings are of the same ilk, but previous signings have me very worried.
cobra
I think he needs to start signing players that have shown real quality, shown that they can prove themselves at the top level instead of buying a player just because he has worked with him, like allen and borini.
Once again, if we had Foster in goal last night and they had Pepe?
Would we have got the 3 points? Yes!
Our defence is a shambles with a dodgy keeper
11 Feb 2013 23:51:23
I'm physically shocked by that game. Watched It on sky plus the whole time it was Liverpool. I'm not being funny but what other team does that? We have literally got to be the only team. So annoyed right now
Londonred
11 Feb 2013 23:49:07
No need to blame players who deep down we all know aren't up to the standard. No need to blame the manager, he came with no pedigree at the highest level. The owners don't understand football and so are bound to make mistakes.
It's just very sad to see how far we've fallen in a few short years.
I wonder if at the weekend the owners look at Swansea's dugout and start to thinking along the lines of learning by their mistakes?
I don't blame Buck he chanced his arm but it didn't work - assaidi, borini, allen are bargain basement and other managers have found real quality at knock down prices,
Michu, Benteke, Sissoko, Lukaku (ok loan), Mirallas, Fletcher.
They all sound average until you compare their records with,
Shelvey, Borini, Allen, Sahin, Downing, Assaidi,
Then look at the money wasted. woops should have bought 2 centre halves instead to replace Agger and Skrtel because guess what Jamie Carragher is sending everyone a message, he has no faith in what is going on at our club. he's just too loyal to come out and publicly slate the manager so he's walking instead.
I'd make Carra manager, he's got more of a football brain than people who try and make it more complicated than it actually is.
Time to realise the emperor is actually naked and not wearing a designer suit after all.
I've guessed who is in the envelopes, have you?
Night, Night.
ALB
11 Feb 2013 23:48:47
If suarez wants out in the summer let him go, he misses countless chances and sturridge has shown what a real striker can do.
Take the 40m and we should have 100m for the summer.
Give it to me and i'll buy us a good team
henderson allen downing carroll all over 10m and they're laughable.
100 mil would but any sane man a top 4 side. Arsenal and tottenham do not have that kind of money yet they are doing far better than us.
Seriously what is wrong with our management. There are so many good players out there. sissoko, m'vila, remy all going for dirt cheap compared to the sh*t we bought.
the management need to seriously open their eyes. literally give 100m to a 10 year old kid and he'd spend it more wisely.
You can blame rodgers all you want but the team is just not good enough. We have these delusions about how 'world class' some of our players are, but tell me which ones would honestly get into city or utd? Answer: none of them. and before you all moan about suarez getting in, tevez aguero rooney and rvp are all better.
face the facts guys
Someone clearly had a few too many for the game tonight!
12 Feb 2013 07:29:03
so 100 mill will bring higuain to Liverpool. who is in 8th position and will not even challenge for title in atleast 5 years?
get a grip mate.
unless we are not in CL. no worldclass stars will come to us or any club. or you will have to pay them the wages they wish (aguero, silva, yaya toure)
falcao, cavani, benzema, all will be moving to clubs like, milan, juventus, real, barca, chelsea, UTD.
11 Feb 2013 23:46:17
Blaming the manager for missing 20 odd chances and letting in 2 goals in 4 attempts, you've got to love some of these so called fans.
AsianRed
Who bought those players?
Sending the team out with no desire and passion and drive. come on that is the managers fault. He has one last chance before kick off to motivate the players after a whole weeks instruction of how to win and we all turn up. like a flat pancake.
We do need defenders as this season has proved that we can't defend for a clean sheet. Yes Stevie G missed a penalty but we could have still drawn 0-0
Slowpoke
Dalglish and Comolli?
He lost out twice to the albion manager who was only our assistant manager who we sacked br does not know enough to be lfc manager people in the stands can do what he does i. e buy people they know we need the right players not yes men, hope he goes as next year will be worse. the new manager will have a lot of money to spend as several players will go.
Dalglish bought most of them mate.
The ones BR boought can't even get in the team
11 Feb 2013 23:43:27
Eds, if I was you I'd take a break from reading or replying to any comments tonight, or the next couple of days for that matter
Kelly Red {Ed002's Note - We are taking the standard approach of deleting the extreme abuse, threats, banter from Gillingham supporters etc.. By the time everyone has vented and we get to morning no doubt it will all be my fault again.}
11 Feb 2013 23:43:03
thats right our key players now were the so called deadwood players last year
11 Feb 2013 23:41:33
hello I am an italian pl fan whose parents are from this greatcity. I am fromNaples, but Roma fans I know. They are very pleased because they signed (for less) Mattia Destro, who is far better than Borini. Silly signing, badly chosen I believe. nThere are also many other better young serie a strikers such as Lorenzo Insigne, El Shaarawy, Icardi or maybe Ciro Immobile. I wish Liverpool much luck, but my father is big Everton support so. Anyway, good fortune!
Alfonso, Naples (I am staying in London at the moment) {Ed002's Note - With Lasagne coming in over the summer I am sure you will feel better Alphonso.}
11 Feb 2013 23:39:53
Insipid performance played out in front of an insipid anfield.
Gordy