Liverpool Banter Archive February 12 2012

 

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12 Feb 2012 23:34:14
Congratulations Zambia - Drogba must have been watching John Terry's penalty kicks

cozinoz


 

 

12 Feb 2012 23:33:00
If Liverpool want to get rid of Suarez in a hurry perhaps they can sell him to a Russian club. I think that is a great shame that we are going to lose an immense talent. He is sometimes the architect of his problems but there are plenty of people who get in on the act with their own agendas. The biting incident apart he is no different to a lot of players whose actions are somehow accepted. What we also forget is that he a very different person off the field. We cannot say this for all the idols with their penchant for Dutch treats, grandmothers, and sister-in-law. We expect players to set an example on the field but all too often glorify their (mis)behaviour off it. I think that Suarez will go at the end of the season and I wish him all the luck in a country where his talent is accepted far away from blinkered England.Dutchmal


 

 

12 Feb 2012 23:28:08
i think suarez was forced to apologise to manchester united over the handshake , as the night before he said , everything is not as it seems . If you look at the correct angle you will see suarez hand is there for shaking and evra's hand is is by his waist , absolute joke


Should of gone to specsavers!!


While I thought this first, Suarez does move on very quickly to De Gea.


Suarez put out his hand to De Gea........ but De Gea fumbled it

cozinoz


 

 

12 Feb 2012 23:22:35
edd i dont think we will get champions league football so what type of player do you think we will go for , i hope not more of the same , as downing {Ed001's Note - we will go for players who improve the team, striker and right winger still being the priority.}


Last thing we need is more players like downing, who is by far our most disappointing signing this season
the rev


 

 

12 Feb 2012 23:09:41
Jonson, I apologise for calling you an idiot, earlier mate. It was childish and immature. I have let you, fellow reds, The Eds, Kenny, FSG, my Mum and family down, for posting such profanities. I would like to draw a line under this whole dispute. And defuse the situation, so I can start posting about football again.

Blair Mayne's press secretary YNWA JFT96


 

 

12 Feb 2012 23:02:05
nah cant agree with suarez being sold. the whole club has made mistakes over the year. and thats also with the news just making stories up and throwing it around. i expect suarez to be here in the end. our club just needs to cope with everything at them moment and take it in and look at it what it is at the moment. worse has happened then not shaking a mans hand.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 22:54:25
Suarez....have to say very disappointed. He was given second chance and blew it in my view...no matter how good he is he is deffo gone come summer... Madrid and Barca lining up 30 mill bids
If Kenny is shrewd he would swap for alonso...

I think we need the skillfull and chance creating players on the wings we need poachers upfront to play off Carroll..players like Fowler Inzagi Defoe..where we get them from I dont know but I dont trust Kenny with the money any more after Downing and Hendo...fair enough every manager make a few mistakes in the transfer market but 2 worth 40 million in the same window not good...LFC need to do damage control now..


Putting Fowler in the same group of players as Defoe nulifies your whole arguement.

KennyD JFT96


Players like Fowler Defoe i.e good 6 yard box players not comparing their ability only some of their traits... we all know about god's ability but he was also a poacher that is what we need...the question is are there any out there?


Fowler was more than a poacher. Watch his first 100 goals for the club. Scored from everywhere with both feet and his head. Particulalrly liked the one against the spuds where he dropped off at the corner and bangs it in!
Iggypop


 

 

12 Feb 2012 22:46:40
Liverpool has a very promising fixture schedule for the remainder of the season.....enough to claim the Carling Cup and do very well in the FA (if not win)....also, top four is very realistic! All the talk of Suarez leaving is soon to be forgotten if he starts bagging goals and we get the magical 4th spot. Fans are quick to forget..too quick most of the time.
I see bright things coming Red fans...mark my words...maybe I should take a punt?


Errrrrr...maybe should give your head a shake and keep your money in your pocket...CL is no way possible: 3 teams to overcome and your premise is based on us suddenly, mysteriously and without any apparent reason, winning consistently and frequently. What has happened that will make the second half of the season any different than the first half?

Love the team but, let's face facts: poor decision making with the money spent in the summer. Can only hope we get another wad of cash this summer and we can some better decisions for next year.


CL in no way possible how stupid is that lad, 4 points i will repeat 4 points is all it is from 4th spot and you say in no way possible, I think its you who needs to shake his head lad.


4 points and we play Chelsea Newcastle and Arsenal still. Not to mention they each play one another. 4th is still possible, but it could go anywhere


What has happened is that we now have a pretty much fully fit squad for the first time and they are just beginning to play together. Get a grip!
Iggypop


Stop focusing on the fact that we are only 4 points behind...that's not nearly as important as the fact that there are THREE teams we have to overcome for that spot.

It's like the opportunities we are presented with whenever Chelsea and Aresnal lose...yes, they are fantastic opportunities for us to gain ground but, they are only meaningful if we do our part and win...ain't been doing that so well lately if you haven't noticed.

Why will our second half suddenly see us winning all of our games (and taking advantage of the opportunities that will inevitably come up) when there has not been a catalyst for change??

You can't just discard the facts from the first half...rarely do teams have performances that are significantly different than what they did in the first half unless there is a compelling reason...last time I checked, we have the same squad and did not add a marquee striker and/or winger...the peformance on Saturday was no different than what we've seen for most of this season.

If you want to believe or hope that we will get that 4th spot...fine...just saying the odds don't favour it. Don't like that reality anymore than anyone else but, we just aren't good enough.

As the kids say these days, just keepin' it real yo! :(


Just to put this in perspective, assuming 4th spot requires the very same 68 points that Arsenal got last year. From where we are today (39 points), LFC will need 29 points. To get these 29 points, LFC has to post a SPARKLING 74% win percentage...what is their win percentage for the 25 games to date??...40%...sure it could happen but, things don't just happen...there has to be a reason for your win percentage to double...so, unless that donkey Carroll is going to step it up big time, I maintain LFC winding up in 4th spot is not a realistic outcome...don't be deluded by the fact that we are only 4 points off that final spot...unless something changes, we may as well be a million points away. The pace we are on over 25 games will net us 58 - 59 points at the end of the season. Not good enough.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 22:05:02
hey eds, read that you think isla may be the person to replace glen johnson. wud just like to know whether u think he is better at defending then johnson is as well as being as good if not better going forward? thanks {Ed001's Note - he is better defensively in my opinion, also better on the ball and going forward. I think he is being tracked for the wing though myself and to provide cover at right back.}


That would work, then play Kelly regularly and also Flannagan if Kelly develops as a centre half.

De Jong seems the likely other to potentially replace Kuyt.

Ed01 what's your opinion on Downing, could be a cut your losses player in the summer? He'd probably do well for Sunderland or someone similar.

Papa G {Ed001's Note - I think he would be better with someone on the other wing spreading out the defences and giving him some space to attack. Right now defenders can get tight and stop him before he gets going, I would give him another year myself.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 22:12:33
Every time I watch us play I hope Spearing gets a red card at the end of the match so I can enjoy watching the following game.


Thats funny cos i hope for the same bout jordan henderson but that will never happen cos he cant tackle.

ACHILLES.


Why don't you just watch your own team instead of Liverpool then?

cozinoz


Support your team you fickle idiots.

BthekingB


You people are deluded if you think hendeson is a good player watch the next match.

ACHILLES.


I do support the team, but only reason speariing gets to play is because he is from liverpool and dagleish thinks it is cool because it makes local kids feeling they may one day make the team. It is in reality way cooler to win games and play real soccer players out there instead of a poorly skillled boy that isn't big enough to be an enforcer.id rather see conner coady at this point


The original poster cant be a liverpool fan. Even i dont rate spearing, but that was way off mark. How can u want ur own player to get sent off?
Indian Buzzer


 

 

12 Feb 2012 21:59:48
When I saw suarezs apology today I was so glad. Finally it would be the end to this whole circus and it would finally make the mancs and the media pipe down for a minute.
How wrong I was.

It seems nobody wants to listen to the apology (that theyve been asking for for months) and just seem to hate him even more. People wonder why nobody put a line under this. They claim were in the wrong for not ending it but they are the ones who continually bring it up and try to attack suarez.

Speaking of which I just looked on twitter at the abuse suarez has been taking (I think it was mentioned on an earlier post) and its absolutely disgraceful. Convicted murderers dont get that much public abuse.

Well thats my views, just wanted to get them out there.

WillLFC


Whilst i know where you are coming from surely you know if you dont give an apology in due course and stretch it out for far longer than it should have been it wont be accepted,


What is wrong with you?

Suarez was wrong in the first place - according to a QC and an independent panel. LFC management were wrong in the aftermath of this. Suarez was then so staggeringly wrong by refusing a handshake that the whole turgid affair has been given even more legs.

I despair at LFC fans one-eyed vision on this matter.

King Tubby


A QC? Did it go to court?


King Tubby, theres nothing 'wrong' with me. I think the whole handling of this situation was badly thought through by the management and suarez was utterly stupid and niave for not shaking evras hand. All I was getting at was the fact that the media are the ones continually badgering LFC and suarez instead of the club and the FA sorting it out in a civil manner.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 21:54:26
Ahoy - huge amount of restraint shown over the past day and thankfully the whole thing is now fully completed and put to bed

Lets be brutally up front and honest about the whole situation, and the biggest fact is WE ARE ALL GUESSING because we weren't on the pitch at Anfield.

So here is my view.

Luis Suarez - bites people, cheats in a World Cup quarter final - obviously not a nice chap

Patrice Evra - 3 x accusing people from ground staff to fellow players of racism plus heads renegade group French players in World Cup revolt - obviousoy not a nice chap.

Sir Alex Ferguson - rubbish footballer and sold his son for £1 million pounds - didn't speak to the BBC for 15 years and now the licence takers let him preach his biased tripe un-edited because he lets them roll the camera. - obviously not a nice chap

FINALLY - and with a heavy heart I say my opinion which is mine and mine only.

Mr Kenneth D - an awesome footballer and fantastic manager with great records which define a lifetime of acheivements - however the Suarez fiasco has shown a man trapped in the past with little understanding of the modern way and how the media and game has moved on and has shown that maybe we need a new figure head.

Still a nice Chap though.

BOILED ONIONS


If you think being a media darling wins football matches ? You are mistaken .

Qwerty


Everything is spot on up until u get to mr daglish but part from that ur bang on mate.

ACHILLES.


No but reputation and image is as important as winning matches. Especially now that media rights and merchandising sales is increasingly where revenue comes from.

That's why clubs invest enormous energy in community level activities, have things like UNICEF on their shirts, and it's why it is important to have a manager who is good with the media.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 21:28:24
anyone else think were playing worse football since gerrard came back


Its actually since we lost Lucas.

King Tubby


Totally agree!

PJRED


Our tactics do not play to his strengths. We are playing defensive, counter-attacking, Chelsea-style football (Steve Clarke).


Stevie shouldve played just behind Carroll other day.Instead hes picking up ball off Reina


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:48:49
Every dark cloud has a silver lining. Look at Carroll. This time last year he was a bad boy heading to Liverpool. Next to Suarez he looks like Mother Theresa with a pony tail. Too bad he forgot how to play footie. Ditto Downing.

So what's the silver lining?

LazyRed


The silver lining is that we are in the league cup final,still in the fa cup and only three points off a champions league place,im pretty sure most people would have taken that when hodgson was in charge,while a few of kennys signings havnt lived up to expectations yet,please give them time,carroll is showing signs of improvement and was a bit unlucky not to start against the mancs,and just remember what many thought about lucas,myself included,but he proved me wrong,give all the new boys a full season and your full support,i cant be easy going onto a pitch to perform when people are giving you stick before you have even started,support your team or stay silent,rob bushby


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:47:55
Handshakes should be made after a match if the players want to shake hands that is. Handshake before the game is a stupid formality for the cameras.End of!
Well one more things fergie doesn't think very much of the mancs if he thinks that by not shaking hands will start a riot.


ChinUp


If boxers can touch gloves footballers can shake hands!


So why did Fergie refuse to shake Wenger's hand - is it because he was justified and held the moral high ground (click agree) or because he is the most hypocritical and unsportsmanlike figure in the Premier League (click disagree)


Ref to boxers touching gloves,doesn't the ref say "if you want to touch gloves" that's giving them an option not telling them to do it so surely footballers should have the option,either that or just scrap til after the match.
paul d


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:44:43
Anyone heard Alan Green on tonight's 606? The man is a legend, he provided the balance completely lacking in the British media. He talked so much sense about the hysterical reaction to the handshake and called for Ferguson to apologise for his comments about Suarez. Brilliant.


His up there with the greats in my eyes with that performance, only positive of the weekend.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:44:40
Everybody bummed out about the Suarez thing. I feel I am the one who is most aggrieved with Liverpool over past year. I got two Torres jerseys, a Merieles and two Suarez jerseys and soon won't be able to wear any of them. Should of stuck with Gerrards (got a few of them too) or perhaps resurrect my Alonso from 2006?


Can you buy a downing jersey quick ha ha


Mate, that is nothing. I have a Benayoun, 3 Owens, 2 Torres, 1 Meireles and 2 "presents" from friends who are Chelsea fans - 1 that was given in 2005 with Gerrard 10 on the back and 1 in 2010 with Torres 9 on the back.

BthekingB


I must be 'old school' then, I have Dalglish on the back of mine. I wear it with great pride, he is and always be my 'hero', and the man/player/manager and fantastic human being that epitomises LFC.
Suppose, I am just a romantic at heart, LOL!.
Shankly's Red. Army.


Still think my Dietmar Hamman top is the best!


You can give them all to charities who work with footballers in the third world- I am sure those guys would appreciate them


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:36:48
I dont believe Luis is even slightly sorry but knows he has to say it publicly for the good of the club. Time to move on. But he's not sorry, I am sure.

cozinoz


Who cares whether he's sorry? He is an employee of LFC, represents them to the entire world, and must act in LFC's interests.

He should have offered an apology months ago.

Total amateurism all around.


He is sorry for the handshake, not what happened months ago. Evra, on the other hand, should apologise for his part on Saturday......but, as we know by his celebration, he has the humility and integrity of Stalin


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:36:19
Feel for Dalglish, he has been put under so much pressure by the Media hounds... his response was emotional but he didn't need to apologise bless him... I like the guy, he's 100% genuine and loves the club and wants the best for the club and fans! When Dalglish was told during the interview that Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand, that was the first he knew about it - bearing in mind that Suarez said he would shake his hand to the manager/club before the game!

I think that shocked Dalglish and he clearly went in a spin...

I would have gone ballistic with Suarez if I was the manager... I don't care how good a footballer you are, if he never intended to shake hands, be honest and say I cannot do it!! Then just put him on the bench as a sub and get on with the whole thing... but to say I'll do it and then not, knowing the eyes of the world are watching... poor, poor, poor...

I understand why Suarez would struggle to shake his hand, so he should have just said to the manager, listen boss, I can't do it and then fair enough.

He should have apologize to everyone including Liverpool FC and I'm glad he has!


Hmmm. I'm gonna hate myself for typing this, but in the interest of honesty & all that. Do you actually beleive in the 2 hours between the non handshake & Kenny's interview that no one had told him that Suarez didn't shake hands, considering how big a deal it was? Personally? I find that very hard to beleive.

The Irish Rover


See your point, maybe I'm naive on Dalglish claiming he did not know at the end for the game, but, my point still stands. According to Ian Ayre, Suarez stated that he would shake hands with Evra and he should have stuck by that... this was way to high profile globally and will damage the club reputation simply because of the way the media play things out...

If he did not think he could go through with it then simply say, I'm not prepared to do it... he can then take part as a sub which means he would not have to shake hands and the whole thing is diffused!

Maybe now all we'd be talking about is Evra's inflammatory celebrations in front of Suarez at the end of the game!


The interview with dalglish in question was in the old trafford tunnel straight after the game with him still in his tracksuit and football boots.
irish rover = specsavers


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:31:46
I thought yesterday was a low day for my beloved club,losing to Utd without even a whimper just no fight (well at least during the football part).
Now Luis has been forced into making an apology for not shaking the hand of a "man"(I use the term lightly and would really like to say what I think of the disgusting thing) who he feels has wronged him and caused him so much distress.Why would anybody want to shake the hand of anyone they despise.
Then Kenny starts apologising about his own behaviour,again I assume as ordered from above,I am so pissed off Whiskey Nose spouts off everybody jumps to his tune and starts to grovel what aload of b****cks.
At least Rafa had the balls to stand up to the old fool,how can Utd try to take the moral high ground with the long history of misbehaviour from their players,obviously assaulting fans,missing drug tests,adultery with your brothers wife and being permanently pissed amongst many other indiscretions are more acceptable in Manchester then refusing to shake a hand.

Get a life since when did we want to be best mates with those clowns from Old Trafford.

Derek


I don't think his apology was to Evra for not shaking his hand, but to Dalglish for not keeping his word. He made a fool of the king and his apology was to Liverpool fans to acknowledge him not wanting to disrespect Kenny.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:29:45
Eds . i just want clarify some rules. Please do help me. What will happen if a player gets a direct red card in english premier league. ? . And i am getting to something , remember that 1-6 battering of Manchester United by Manchester City on 23rd October 2011, there was a straight red card to Evans in that match. So i want to know if the red card was appealed or not and if the ban was lifted or not because the following weekend he was in the starting line up against Everton which was played on 29th October 2011. So i just want to know if that is allowed because if not then to field an illegible player should punished . Please do reply . Thank You .

AJI {Ed002's Note - Clutching at straws - he would have missed a Carling Cup tie is my guess. I am not even going to look it up.}


So are there different rules for a direct red card ? I mean he did miss a carling cup tie . But if you use your hands its a 1 match ban with straight red card and if use your legs its 3 match ban . I am confused. Please help me without being sarcastic .

AJI {Ed002's Note - The length of ban depends on the offence.}


I bet u did look it up ed


A professional foul is a straight red but only a one game ban. A Professional foul is when a player is the last man and denies a clear goal scoring opportunity. Evans against City..
You get a 3 game ban if you are sent off for violent contact or a dangerous tackle. It is a four game ban if it is your second red for that offense during one season. Hence Kompany getting four games for his red against United and thats why he missed both CC legs. It was his second red of the season.
You must be desperate if you are looking at things like that. Thats just pathetic!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:25:30
Eds,

If we look at the game Ignoring the handshake incident, our defense was not up to its standards. sadly, our CB didn't received good support by either Enrique or Johnson

Johnson was caught napping by rooney on both the ocassions . He'll go in summer, won't he?

Apart from Reina , Agger, Skrtel and our 2nd half subs. everyone else were not prepared to face man utd at old trafford and including Stevie G to be honest.

I'm really glad we got a goal back and that too by Luis.

Now, about things apart from football, what really pissed me off is that Luis said one thing to kenny before the match and did something else during the match. I believe he did this to my beloved club. Because when he assured to my manager that he'll shake hands, he assured my club that he'll put his personal grudge no matter how bad, behind him and move on with the game. but went back on his words :(

I'm the same Indian Red who sung laurels of Luis's commitment and love to the club and I feel really ashamed of what he did.

I really don't care whether that hand was Evra's or any tom dick and harry's . If he had no intention of shaking hands, he should've told sternly and I would've still respected that.

Now that he has apologized, how should I or Liverpool believe it?

If he is really sorry and has respect for us then he should get up and get on with the game when he is brought down and should not look towards ref for any sympathy. coz to be 'real' he won't get any from any referee :(

Also, I think if FSG wants good deal on him in summer they should atleast pretend in media that they are happy with him else other clubs will negotiate real hard knowing our owners doesn't want him in the club.

Personally, I hope he put his personal grudge behind and play for his country, for his club, score goals and win titles for us and 'earn' respect in football.

Indian Red.


Worst iv seen Enrique all year


To be fair to Enrique he had to deal with Valencia who has been ManU's best player lately with little or no support frm Downing

Redpath


Had to deal with Valencia and Rafael.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:15:12
Our players are not consistent. One match they perform OK and the next below average. It is time to introduce some of our academy talents into first team. Young players passionate for a win and moving the ball. I can not think of any player that performs consistently on the pitch. We were all waiting for Gerard to come back and save the club. Personally I think we are worse of now than before. Everybody give poor performances. I am not sure whether this relies on the players or on the management and coaching staff. The fact is our performances are rubbish. The teams above us are loosing points and we should get advantage of that. Instead we have silly draws at home with small teams and defeats from teams like Man U. Out of pride they should put all the effort in to beat Man U. Our ball passing was terrible. Our attack not existence.


Said this since early season and got abuse for being honest.It just takes others longer to see or admit.Didnt like saying,but its true


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:07:06
There is supposed to be a fine line between genius and madness. Whether there is or whether its just a good cliche I don't know but we have probably seen our Luis step either side of that line of late.

He is an iconic player for a number of reasons, not least because he is a superb footballer, brilliantly unpredictable, genius like at times. We love players like that, our best teams have always had someone capable of doing something that no one else could do. That's why such players are held by us in such high esteem and when they play with a passion and desire to do their best for the team, the shirt, the badge and for us they become legends. Luis has assumed that role almost from the day he arrived and as a result has become a favourite of supporters young and old. There is though another side to him that leaves us somewhat baffled or even concerned at times.

We know of his history before joining us and until recently he has largely avoided confrontation with match officals and the authorities and people who control the game both on and off the pitch. He has a reputation for diving which makes him very unpopular with many and his' latin styled' arm waving towards referees accompanied with inaudible mutterings are clear evidence of the emotion he puts into every game as he plays with his heart on his sleeve. That though leaves him vulnerable to events as he pushes every boundary in a desire to win. The last 3-4 months and in particular the last 24-48 hours provide ample evidence of that. Even last Monday when he came on against Spurs he immediately changed the game and then risked even being sent off (on another day) with a bizarre kick on Scott Parker for no apparent reason. Yesterday's events bordered at times on getting out of control too and when he booted the ball in the direction of the bench/crowd on the stroke of half time his personal frustrations and what had gone on before quite probably contributed to the reported bust-up in the tunnel and all that followed. His self restraint at the final whistle though is to be applauded.

Personally I have backed him to the hilt and still do and I have many 'conversations' with people, reasonable people and even other Reds over the last month following his ban and the publishing of the report. People who feel he was in the wrong and let the club down. I've read the 115 page report but its easy in my view to see how the Commission reached the decision that they did but that doesnt mean I agree with it. I am both pleased and dissapointed by his apology today and feel that the events of the last 24 hours should have been avoided. Pleased because it probably had to be said but dissapointed for the club and in particular Kenny for the position it has put him in. I am though now wondering how does Luis Suarez feel right now?

Embarrassed? Angry? Isolated? Wondering if playing football in this country is worth it?... and if he does will he be able to put it all behind him or will he take it onto the pitch with him?

It is though time to draw a line and move on but there is now another part of me that is left wondering how long until the next time his emotions get the better of him and when they do will the powers that be, be ready and waiting for him? He seems to be that sort of player, one who sails (and plays) close to the wind, kicks and heads every ball with his emotions and will probably always run with his feet either side of the line. Try to curb it and we risk him loosing that spark that makes him great and different and unique. Fail to curb it in some way and we might risk loosing him perhaps for good.


Good post do you remember when fergy wouldn't shake wengers hand ,should banned for life him


I think he we be gone end of the season


Only read the first lines of your post and got bored. would like to know do you believe andy carroll is a genius??
darsco


2 games against the mancs = trouble for Suarez? Wonder why? those lovely mancs wouldn't do anything dastardly would they?
kidmillions


Great post. Post of the week.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa


High level sports performance is about concentration, a state of relaxation, and mental strength. It's the mental part that separates champions from contenders.

Suarez is gifted, but I suspect he lacks the mental apparatus to turn talent into accomplishments. He reminds me of Gascoigne.


Its nonsense to suggest that a player might lose his 'spark' if he is disciplined. Sick of hearing it regarding rooney mourinho etc. Bulls**ts . the real greats carry themselves with dignity.


Said a while back needs a sports psychiatrist


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:05:35
why cant leo's and capricorns be together? Because they make lepricorns!! sorry guys i know its a poor attempt at humour but i thought id attempt to cheer some of you up , page is needless to say rather negative today .

scouse simon

---------------------------------------
What do you get when Evra and Ferdinand collide together?

A big heap of manc s**te on the old trafford pitch.


What's Round and growls?
A vicious Circle.

Woodi lietoyeh


Whats green and brown got 8 legs and if it falls out of tree it will kill you?

a snooker table,lol,jimmybosun


What's brown and runs round your garden

The fence


What do u call a hindu with pink hair
gandi floss =p

big red john


 

 

12 Feb 2012 20:01:27
Wats going on ed(s)? how come ur page aint updating? {Ed019's Note - There is nothing much to update}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:57:30
Couldnt agree more mate, but to be fair ... the FA Cup tie against the mancs the other week, their fans for half the game sung about Heysel and Hillsborough, and as i was sat in the Kop i didnt hear a single Munich chants (i have to be honest i am suprised at that, pleasantly suprised, but unfortunatly at EVERY football club there are them few prats who do sing them songs) and again yesterday all you could hear for parts of the game was their fans singing about Heysel and Hillsborough, and i for one think its disgusting, personally i think it is JUST AS BAD as what Suarez supposedly said to Evra, yet it NEVER gets mentioned by the media! Its disgusting!!

Also i think all these people having a pop at the owners over all this is just laughable, what are the owners really going to do? As far as they, kenny, ayre and the other players where aware, Suarez was going to shake hands, and thats all they wanted, but he didnt, so i dont think people can blame the owners and moan about them over all of this, they have been very good owners so far in my opinion, the Glazers havnt came out moaning about it, and no one has moaned about that, so i think bringing them into it is just causing more trouble where its not needed.

Also with reference to the Booing of Evra at Anfield, our fans got slated by the media for doing that, yet the United fans booed Suarez all game and nothing has been said, it just seems one rule for them, another rule for everyone else! I personally dont think there is anything wrong in booing people, its all part of the show, panto like, you boo old players in SOME cases, you boo players who dive to gain an advantage etc etc, its all part of the show with football, for gods sake we even booed the cat against Spurs!!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:57:14
Just a little perspective on the performance yesterday , we competed in the first half and lost focus after the break ,conceded two quick daft goals ,lost the plot for a while and came back into it later .these things happen and yesterday was a poor day at the office , a few players hid and didn't want to know and they know who they are ,kenny knows who they are as well and it will all have been noted ,too much knee jerk reaction going on .He will sort it it does not happen overnight ,i think of all the amazing memories this club has given me over forty years supporting and i can't believe some of the doubters .On the suarez situation he has appologised lets put it to bed ,hypocrite ferguson saw his chance to stick the boot in and true to form made a tw#t of himself ,remember the word is supporter not celebrator so get behind all the players and staff ,its a storm and we have seen worse,solidarity brothers and sisters it will come . Simmo 71


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:52:32
Can't believe what scumbags their truly are in the world. Out of morbid curiosity I joined twitter (bare with me), some of the vile filth I have seen posted has actually offended me, does no one sensor it? I only went on to see if Suarez had posted anything of interest and the verbal personal insults people have sent him is shocking to say the least, he has messed up pretty bad and is clearly hot headed but no one deserves the s**te he has to endure, if the eds on here have to receive stuff like that from posters then u r seriously better men than me and have my utmost respect for even bothering to continue. I really do despair and the scum and hatred in society these days, red till I die, players managers will come and go, Liverpool FC will b outlive us all!!

Chiz


I look at Twitter last night!
Im not easily offended but it was Truely Shocking! Some people actually kiss their Mum with that mouth too!!


Don't understand why football players have Twitter accounts to be honest.

Do your talking on the pitch.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:51:08
The Suarez saga will get hyped up for sure but at the end of the day I think it's just the talking point at the moment and it will pass. Suarez isn't a bad guy, just passionate about the game and maybe a little misguided. Kenny realises that the team is much better with him and has backed him to the hilt, albeit a little misguided too. Both are very much committed to the club and football in general though which is more than you can say for some others at Anfield. The world of football is fickle and unfortunately tied up with the media. When the Terry, Giggs, Redknapp, Rooney, Superinjunction, drunk driving, wife beating, england manager, corrupt FIFA scandal hits the headlines it'll fade into the background. I don't think we need to be talking about him or Kenny needing to or wanting to leave the club. I say get behind em!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:46:48
at the moment were in a mess on the field and off it . kenny needs to crack the whip certain players performances are not acceptable . still think commolli should of had control over transfers last summer . full english left us with egg on our faces


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:46:04
Left it 24 hours to wait and see the reaction of yesterday's game the Luis non hand shake is there for everyone to see .But it has hid the real problem is apart from belamy and Enrique kennys buys have been bad !! Nearly 80mill on carol , downing , Henderson ! That's the reason why kenny will go! Sad but true ! Waiting to be slated !! Oh just in case anyone does I adore this mighty club ! But kenny has not bought well


Torres Meireles and Babbel out for around 70 million None of the above have performed so far.Only wasted 10 million then to be fair


All managers are judged by performances on the pitch and their success in the transfer market. Should we fail to make the Champions League, it will be due to the poor buys that KK made last summer,which, I'm afraid to say, apart from Enrique and Bellamy, are plain for all to see.


Couldnt agree more mate wasted money on supposed british talent that is so poor reminds me of when souness took over. Lots of money wasted. All the antics have overshadowed how poor our performance was.I have also heard from the states that our owners are very unhappy with kenny and commolli in pirticular and if we dont get CL football they could be gone.
DCG


For the guy who says we spent only a net of 10 mil
we sold our existing players because they were not good enough or happy to play for us
now when u buy players u try to buy someone who improves ur squad and takes them to the next level not keeping them where they were or perhaps even worse


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:14:22
hey liverpool fans lets get behind ure team to finish behind norwich. Arsenal fan here. You guys spent over 100 in 1 year and are so crap. Andy cant buy a goal carrol. Jordon worst player in prem henderson. And stuart downing omg. Least charlie was a good signing. Use can have denilson vela and bentner dnt need to worry bout u guys. Azda14


Haha wow. I bet it took all the power you had in your one brain cell to come up with that. You'll be pleased to know it almost qualifies as banter- keep trying- practice makes perfect!

DP


Thought you'd be on your own sight discussing Who Man City are buying off you next!!lol
Feeder Club!!!!!!
Lyndon.


I assume the 14 stands for your age little kid ! Arsenal finish above us you've no chance now henry has gone back KID !


See yer at Anfield.
kidmillions


I'd be more worried about your empty seats and losing your returning "hero" again, who couldn't wait to jump ship previously to Barca, wonder why that was........oh thats right to WIN something! - TMac


I don't mind Banter/Stick from Manu fans. But from Manchester City's Southern academy!! I'm not having it!LOL


Jesus, when you you grow up you will regret not going to school. I presume that is your workplace and IQ you signed off with and you can't even spell that right.


One man team gooners
k-h


U joker, if u didn't have RVP u would quite simply be f**ed, we'll all see that next season, what have u won recently? F**k off back on your own page u tit.


Oi Azda14! ...you're needed in aisle 12, there's been a spillage.

dd


I really can't believe the amount of crap so called "liverpool supporters" put on here.

We have got a good squad and are are four players away of having a great squad.

Lets not forget that we got rid off about 15 plus players last summer and will more than likely be getting rid of another 10 this summer.

It's gonna take another 2 years to build a team that will challenge for the title.

So stop slagging on the players...remember "if you cant support us when we are losing then dont support us when we are winning"

It will come.

PJRED


Gooner how sad are you relying on has been to get you outve s it.Cant fill your ground.Without RVP yould be 8th.clown


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:11:46
Hey guys! Lots of negativity around. Just read a joke. Thought it might bring a little smile to all my fellow proud yet sporting Reds :)

Santa Claus: I'm sick of this. Every year I have to wear this red outfit, do all work myself, and end up with nothing, looking like an idiot!
Man: Now you know how Steven Gerrard feels like :D

sama491


Unfortunately its so true


It is true actually. Gerrard wud have a couple of epl titles to his name had he moved to chelsea.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:11:04
"Evra got him suspended on false claims".. This is the tripe coming out of your once great clubs fans. The F.A banned him because he was an unreliabe witness and his story of events had conflicting statements. So blind loyalty kicks in and you say it was Evra that lied... So kick forward a few months, your own manager says "Suarez will shake the whole teams hands".. We all know what happened after that. So if he's willing to lie to his manager and clubs why is incapable of lying to the F.A.

I'd expect a better handling of the situation from the board at Harchester United!

Mumbles


Do you honestly hand on heart believe evra is an Honest and Reputable person who would not stoop to underhand antics.
It's you my friend who has the blinkers on.
kidmillions


Boy you sure do mumble on you muppet. Nothing to say about fergies comments or evra jumping up and down like a spoilt brat on christmas morning eh lad NO thought not your just another gobs**te gloating as if you know it all.


Did you read the report or the papers.
k-h


Moron.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:51:20
Hi, eds

If i remember right, weren't Villa in for Joe Cole before he went to Lille, do you know if there's still any interest, especially with the underwhelming N'Zogbia? I think Cole should be given a second chance, he's done well for Lille but I think that's unlikely. Cheers, RedAl {Ed002's Note - Villa had an interest in Cole and I guess they may have an interest in the summer when he moves on.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:50:02
Since it is day of apoligies I want to apologies to ed002 for imaginening her as hot angelina look alike blonde.just thought it should be out there.

Peace.

Red indian


I always thought of her as Megan Fox in a Chelsea FC kit. I am a Liverpool FC supporter and obviously don't like her wearing that shirt so ummm.... oh well, never mind. :)
Furqan.


I'm not really bothered what she looks like as long as it's not like the telephonist in Joseph Wambaugh's 'The Choirboys'. She writes a great deal of common sense. She also finds my big feet very attractive (unfortunately it's not true what they say).
Dutchmal


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:49:32
my season ticket at anfield finished after this season .its just not the same anymore.why iam i paying to subsidize carrolls downings hendersons massive wages among others.these guys dont know the passion needed.hardest job they do is check bank balance.I too dissapointed with kenny,bad buys bad tactics.on about arsenal having empty seats if we dont make europe this year we will not attract any decent player,then its only one way down .one very down in dumps sefton red


Tranmere Rovers are looking for supporters, I personally know Mr Johnston if you would like me to have a word.
kidmillions


I would take your season ticket off you, I'll always support them no matter who we got playing for us
G BOX


You just made The person at the Top of the waiting lists Day!! Sure he'll thank you for it..... Sure Mr Henry won't sleep tonight worrying about that??


Can I take then please matl


See ya soft lad, dont worry there's 30,000 fans ready to take your seat so no big loss


Aint giving up mine-hope in heart and all that.but can see his point


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:43:10
if suarez does move do u know for what region he would be for
Shanio1 {Ed002's Note - No idea.}


I'd imagine spain


Region? financially, as in he would cost in the region of x million or geographical region?


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:41:50
Macca any insight into all this Suarez carry on?

Thanks

Ian B


What do need to know that isnt there already.
k-h


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:39:15
after yesterdays disaster king kenny gotta go so to suarez.made us all look fools.we got tactics wrong to negative ,our pre season buys are disaster only bellamy showing any heart.i honestly thought we would be challanging for title,lucky to even make europe now ,we need quality tacticial manager in now.if we played 3 up top sat we would have won instead hand advantage to them firstly suarezs petty gesture to get them fired up then kennys line up going for nil nil. a very dissapointed red signing off.


We will win at least one Cup possibly 2; 4th place still up for grabs, Citeh will win the Premier the mancs will be potless " So don't be so Glum"
kidmillions


Clearly you are a glass is half full kinda guy who doesn't let his rose coloured glasses get in the way of probability and reality huh??

When you return to earth, you may want to consider...

Yes, we COULD win two cups but, the FA Cup is a long way from being a slam dunk for LFC as your post implies--there will be plenty of input from 15 other good and eager teams before you award us the cup. Also, be wary of taking Cariff too lightly...do so and it will be to our peril. Have you not seen our performances against the so called lesser clubs?? With our non-existent strike force...trust me...it will be closer than you think and even if we win, Cardiff will put up a gallant effort (something we are not capable off consistently).

As for 4th place...dream on. It's not just the 4 points we are short...it's the fact we have 3 teams ahead of us. Add to that, a sustained run will require us to dramatically improve our win percentage from the first half of the season...with no new players, too many lazy, overpaid, unenthusiastic players and too many distractins, where is your catalyst for such a change?

Even if we do miraculously go on an extended run of wins, it still means we need three other teams to completely collapse. Perhaps Chelsea could do so but, is it likely Arsenal and Newcastle (who have improved since the transfer window--they have a catalyst) will?

Sorry to splash cold water on your optimism but, a dose of reality is needed. What you saw in the first half of the season is pretty much what you'll get the rest of the way...unless you can show me the catalyst that will change things.


Yes sure newcastle improved alot against spurs didn't they 5 - 0 wasn't it


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:03:22
we know have two cup games next . dont play a prem game till 3 march arsenal at home . if teams below us pick up points as they are we could be nearer to twelth than fourth . we have to go with luis and bellers as our front two carroll with luis no signs of working . everton are coming on like a train would want to avoid them in the cup . they look in a better shape than us at the moment i fear we could implode.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 19:02:46
It might not be a popular opinion on here today but I'm glad Suarez has apologised for not shaking Evra's hand. Yesterday was about drawing a line under the whole incident and concentrating on football. By refusing the handshake Suarez incited the media and fans and possibly gave their team a shot in the arm to go and win the game. When your manager asks you to do something and you say you'll do it then pull a stunt like that you should apologise, no matter how talented a footballer you are. Suarez's apology is not an admission of guilt but an admission that he let the team down yesterday.

Red Ollie


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:58:16
Ummmmmm...back to football for a second...I said it after we failed to address our deficiencies during the transfer window and this last week confirmed it: we are a 7th place club...so, get used to it because a CL spot is pure fantasy.

Shame really...this year was such a great opportunity to get back on track given the marked decline of Chelsea and Aresnal. If anything Newcastle's new strike force makes them a serious threat for 4th (nothwithstanding yesterday's result)...and what do we have?....that useless donkey Carroll?? Pathetic and just not good enough.

Management's decision to sign him first off and then their failure to bring in a real striker when he was truly exposed sealed our 7th place spot.

We are absolutely abysmal...no passion, no heart, no creativity. Week in and week out so many lesser clubs are able to put in a heroic effort...win, lose or draw...that is the absolute mininmum we should expect and yet, we log in so many lacklustre performances. I could live with knowing we don't have the talent to consistently compete with the bigger clubs but, not putting in a solid effort EVERY game is inexcusable.

For those of you who believe we should just blindly support the club no matter what or else you are not a true fan...your blind, unquestioning loyalty is exactly what leads to complacency and middling performances. Being a supporter means backing your team but, it also, means you owe it to them to be realistic and to call it as it is and to voice your displeasure when they do not live up to their obligations or mangement makes poor decisions.
We have had plenty of both over the past few years sadly.


Do have something against the Blind -)
Just cos you can't see doesn't mean you've got no feelings.
kidmillions


We all have feelings and the club know that and thats why they do not care about what we want , its an investment the owners thought they could keep carroll for a couple of seasons and then sell him at a profit they want us to be like arsenal all think about this they know we have blind faith and they rely on this, the fans who go the games do not matter the main money comes from different things at the moment but that will not continue if we carry on with the rubbish we have.red mick tag


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:35:46
Just to get away from the whole Suarez saga, has anyone seen an ex Aston Villa winger we apparently bought in the summer for a fee in the region of 20 million?

Apparently he's played in 25 premiership games this season, he's scored no goals and has had no assists. Apparently he's rarely seen in the oppositions half but is often seen either running backwards or giving the ball away. Apparently he doesn't like to be substituted and shows his frustration with expletives.

The wizards sleeve...


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:29:32
Sad to say but suarez will be gone in the summer! He's bein pushed out and unsettled at liverpool football club by the media and by that f@cking T£at from down the east lancs and i cant blame him.

And ed(s) why did you not put my post on the wall yesterday bit to outspoken for ye?

ACHILLES. {Ed002's Note - A lot of posts are not making it through now. Anything abuse, racist, plus a bunch more.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:29:17
Our owners pushed this apology through. IMHO I am disgusted at them for having no backbone. The club back Suarez all the way, do why now apologise for not shaking hands, total BS.

Weak owners that are puppets are not needed at this club and not wanted by me. I back Suarez unconditionally as I really do believe he never intended to racially abuse Evra and therefore how can he be guilty. Why should he apologise, I would not.

FSG, we are Liverpool Football Club and we do not cow down to the media, Man UTD and PFA BS. You today have alienated a lot of supporters, especially for making the King look like a fool.


Suarez made Dalglish look a fool he should have told him before the game that he wasnt going to shake his hand.


What does 'cow down' mean?


You Absolute fool! Do you have an IQ of 11. The only person who has made KK look silly is Suarez!! An Ostrich buries his head in the sand for a reason you don't need to!!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:15:42
This whole Suarez ****storm has been handled dreadfully by LFC. Through shear incompetence and pig-headedness they have let Manchester United grab and retain the moral high ground. They have even managed to ensure Evra is seen as principled and victimised. And given that odious buffoon Rio an excuse to be outraged and morally superior.

How could LFC possibly let this incident get this far. At the end of the media reporting it is LFC who look damaged, sorrowful and ridden with incompetence and bitterness. I'm still exasperated at this whole affair.

The damage has been done. And it will stick for years. Utd and their fans will now be able to use this to bash the club in the future.

A whole sorry, pathetic affair which I am still convinced must be a bad dream.

And before all you blinkered dimwits race to slate me and defend the club. Grow up. I'm an LFC fan who is not happy at my club's management and who have succeeded in trashing our reputation.

Ok, open the floodgates for a pile of bile coming my way.

King Tubby.


Go and support Everton or West Brom


Go and support West Brom!
What a deeply Thought provoking intellectual extremely well thought out response!! Who said Brother and Sister should never have Children together!!!


That's exactly the kind of response I was expecting.

You really are embarrassing. Now put some trousers on and go and read a good book instead.


I agree..
Craig


Let's hope the apologies allow this incident to fade away. Luis ahd agreed to shake Evra's and and this must have been the subject of a good deal of discussion within the club and he let the club down by going back on that agreement. LFC handled the issues ineptly from the outset and need to examine the club's stance on important social issues and review their PR machinery.


LFC expected him to shake hands,
but he did'nt. You can't hold the management responsible for that. {Ed002's Note - You can hold the management responsible for making the dumb ass decision to include him in the squad.}


I really hate the way people respond with this "go support Everton or West Brom" bull$h1t, as if their opinion is in someway superior and everyone else who doesn't agree with it is not worth of the club, being able to come up with your own views and being able to debate them with other intelligent football fans is one of the things that make the same great, imagine how boring this site would be if everyone had exactly the same opinions!

Gman82


So long as they have the same opinions as me; I don't care ;)
kidmillions


Go support West Brom, there can't be a bigger insult on the planet. I think I'm going to go buy Evra a West Brom season ticket, just so he really know's how much he's hated.


Good response Gman82. The 'go and support Everton...' brigade are as damaging to the clubs reputation as the management and PR crew at Anfield. Journalists read this site too and gather evidence from clubs' fans as to how the incidents are perceived at supporter level.

It doesn't help that some fans seem to have a blindly loyal and unquestioning sense of righteousness that is, quite frankly wrong.

Support for the football club is good, but it is also your responsibility to raise questions when things are not so rosy. Like when Little and Large were in charge. Or Hodgson was manager.

Let's have less of the playground immaturity and more decency please. I thought that was The Liverpool Way that's been so keenly trumpeted on here.

King Tubby


King Tubby, you are spot on.

The blinkered, blind "we can do no wrong" or "go support Tranmere" types are contributing to the damage being done to our club.


Totally agree ive been blasted by Kb Cozinoz Mikey" i dont criticise im a bigger fan"nonsense for ages.we all have vested interest in LFCs fortunes.They can only improve if club knows punters arent happy.Ala we werent happy with H and g,or Hodgson.We all have right to view.Its arrogance like kid millions comment above,that gets us all at each others throats.Respect fellow Reds views! and ild agree with ed 2 above-dumb to have included Suarez at weekend


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:15:25
Now they are all complaining that suarez did not apologise to Evra specifically, can we pin the great train robbery on Suarez as well.
The apology was to the club, mgr,and fans of LFC and the footy world in general in England. Suarez will never ever apologise
to Evra and should not either.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:15:10
Nice to see so many apologies today.

When will Downing come out and apologise for being rubbish yesterday and Johnson for impersonating a defender?!

Both need to do a LOT better.............if they're able?!

As for Spearing, he's just not good enough either I'm afraid and kuyt needs to go also.

The events of yesterday have overshadowed a very average performance by the team which needs to improve a LOT for us to get 4th and push on again in the Summer

5uarezTimes


Leave jay out of this he had a ok game and your saying he's not good enough because he mis-placed 1 pass.Harsh

King luis


He did it a lot in the tottenham game aswell

GuvTOB


You have the nerve to critise jay spearing but yet nothing said about jordan henderson? Jay put the challenges in yesterday ye he made a cock up for uniteds second goal. But name me one good thing jordan henderson did yesterday?

ACHILLES.


Jay is a true little warrior,but I also think he just falls below the level we require.I feel when he's turned ,he's out of the game,and a lot of his forward passes are rushed.I don't think that it's fair to crucify the lad, because he will always give 110% for the team.

Jiminy Cricket


Jay's a local lad who's a great squad player and ultra reliable but regular place in the team? No; not for me.
kidmillions


Why can't some of you people see that spearing is rubbish


I'll make it simple: Spearing, Downing and Henderson are not good enough for LFC.

They are decent EPL-level players but it takes a certain mentality to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world and in matches like yesterday.


Hendersen does f all-trots about like show pony.Downing merely hides


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:12:25
This all goes to show how far behind the game our club is. We are still dwelling in the late 80's early 90's when it comes to footballing matters off the field.
In the last 20 years old whiskeynose has managed to manipulate the British press to the point where he has them doing his dirty work. They hang on his every word and can't wait to do his bidding. He has done this not by being popular and nice, but by winning trophies and never taking his eye of the ball. His disgusting reign has been built on the premise that his team are all he cares about and nothing will get in the way both on or off the pitch. If his players get in trouble he will, publicly, back them to the hilt. He will accept fines, whatever it takes.
This has got that horrible man to the point he is today. He has no fear of the authorities and has in turn made them fear him. This is what happens when you are the most successful manager in the last 25 years.
We need to stop being nice. We need to stop blaming other people for our lack of success. We need to start playing the game we stopped playing years ago when we were last league winners. This should start with the CC.
Our players need to start giving 100% every game. We need to start winning, consistently. We need to fight, bully, scrap for every point, goal from the first whistle til the 10th min of whiskeynose time.
We need to be feared, no quarter asked or given. Show the passion this club is famous for. We need to be winners again. Once we start winning, slur alexs empire will crumble and the press and media will fall back in line.
It won't take much to get level with the scum once we get our act together and once we're there we can begin to crush them.
We're too nice. Time to show some heart and start beating old whiskeynose at his own game and that has to start with us beating teams on the pitch.
It's the only way.

LJ


Fact that seems to get lost with all on here,when we vget two good vresults were brilliant.SAD REALITY IS WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH! IF WE WERE WE'D BE MORE CONSISTANT BY GETTING RESULTS WHEN PLAYING POORLY.Like all good sides


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:09:23
That's it, draw a line now, it's over, win as many games as possible and worry about players in & out in summer. We all know what happened and who the real guilty party is, leave it that.
Next game , need a win, and the one after that an so on....
Let some other club get involved in the shenanigans that's called the world of media.
Red first and last


 

 

12 Feb 2012 18:06:42
Thank god that's over! There's lots of instances over the seasons of players refusing to shake hands, there's a little red headed fellah named scholes in manutd team who wouldn't shake hands with Patrick Viera, was that racism? No he just didn't like him. Apologies all round don't agree with it, where's are apology for their bad behaviour? but let's move on we've got some important games coming up.
kidmillions


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:53:15
YNWA Suarez. That is all.

YoungRed


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:45:02
I'm glad Luis has apologized as he did no one any favours by snubbing Evra's handshake yesterday. I think it is clear that Suarez GENUINELY feels aggrieved over the whole incident and does feel there has been a major miscarriage of justice. If he was guilty of the original offence I do not think he would hold the sort of grudge he clearly still holds. However, regardless of how hard done by he feels he should have put the interests of the club first yesterday and shaken Evra's hand.

I hope now Ferguson will be big enough to apologize for his over reaction in the post match interview. Can he really believe that snubbing a handshake is a worse offence that Keane trying to end Haaland's career? He must know that he was over reacting and thereby also risking inciting trouble.

I also think that the media need to stop trying to claim yesterday's snub was about racism. It was about one player feeling another player had lied about him and in so doing damaged his reputation and got him a hefty punishment. The original incident was about racism, yesterday was not.

I hope that Luis will stay at the club however I realise that he must be getting sick of the way he is being treated by the British media. I also feel that the owners must be worrying about the brand image and would be tempted to sell if a good offer comes in in summer. If Luis does leave the Premiership I think we can expect to hear the full story as I am sure there is a lot we are not being told.

Hopefully the incident can now dies down as apologies have been issued and accepted. There can no benefit from further involvement by the FA, PFA or LMA.

Bob


My God!! A major miscarriage of justice?? You numpty. Do you think maybe being imprisoned for years for a crime you didn't commit or say hillsborough. They you go and use it in a sentence about suarez you Fool!!


The problem is that LS feels he did nothing wrong, but he admitted to saying the words he was accused of. He thinks that he did nothing wrong and this is why he thinks that he is the victim.


It will be interesting how the Ajax fans react to Evra on Thursday....Surez was loved and supported by the fans, more than a lot of you so called fans on here......Bobbinred


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:42:32
What a load of nonsense saying we are bowing to Man Utd with our apology.
Obviously the management had discussed what was going to happen regarding the handshake, Suarez for whatever reason decided he couldnt shake evera's hand and went against the decision of the club. The club have now come out and apologised and rightly so.
Suarez put the club in a very difficult situation and Man U Ferguson and Evera milked every second.
The Club, Manager, and player have now apologised and everybody especially the media and supporters should draw a line and leave it in the past.
Harsh lessons have been learned and both parties have to have to live with their guilt. Only two people really know what went on and they have to deal with it and move on for the best of both clubs.
It will be interesting to see whether the media leave the whole saga and move on as Liverpool FC have now made an official apology. Suarez will be on final warning and time will tell whether he stays or goes but one thing is for certain, if he steps out of line again he will, for the sake of the club be moved on. Lets hope he concentrates on his football and as Cantona did for UTD after his problems, become one of the clubs legends,

Evered


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:33:27
does anyone think player power has reared its ugly head again at lfc . luis downing johnson only play right back . bolton performance etc i hope not surely .

alan waddle


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:29:27
what happened to pass and move . did it go when sammy lee went. very concerned last 4 away games 3 point from 12. should of took nzogbia than downer . full english transfer failed . pass and move the two things carroll cant do .


With Downing it's surely NO player power!!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:27:23
Apparently Chelsea also want an apology for us selling them Torres


Liverpool must demand one off newcastle then too.


For both post thanks guys for make laugh :)

R-R


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:26:39
Today has proved that we have the weakest CEO (MD) in living memory. Even Purlsow would have handled these incidents better than Ayre. Some may say that it has stopped the everything, but we look like total idiots. How can you suddenly backdown and completely change what we said we believe in? Where was he at the start of this? Eds do you think the club will get new people in the club? John barnes would have handled it better than some of the people inside the club. Everything he has said has had more sense than the club have all the way through. If we sell Suarez i'd understand but it would anger me so much. The owners seem spinless and care what the media think of us. After the statements today, they have left Kenny and Suarez out to dry, while Ayre and the owners have been hiding this whole time.


It was handled wrong from day one. We've drawn a line now and apologised. Which we should have as soon as Suarez was found guilty. We're all good at remembering previous success but lets try and forget this awful situation


Liverpool Managing Director Ian Ayre is not a CEO. We don't have a CEO in the club that what we missing a Pure English man who have better knowledge about football and football management. Ian is a marketing related man, very weak in football management and very weak to move in F.A Owner is not in UK don't have a smart CEO all that suffer us so much.


z.r


Rafa would be nice, He loves the club and deserve some position within the club

AJ


You Muppet a CEO is a chief executive in America and nearly always are From marketing Back Grounds. Think the missing link who posted that means a Director of football!! You idiot........


Hey! Alan Sugar?? Get a grip with ya CEO crap. We have chief executives CEO's are in American business and is the same role in England! Most chief executives are from the back ground that Ayre is! Oh! and he's been a Liverpool fan alot longer than you and me remember! Wind your neck in and I'll have fries with mine. Just a reminder for when you get to work tonight


Eds can you please explain what a chief executive is and what they do...... and after you have do you think Rafa would be a good one!!lol. My 5 yr old might know the answer!!


Above post; very funny! Best laugh today.
kidmillions


It just beggars belief that If they are all adults on here. That they Think a CEO lol. In English Chief Executive have any input in football related matters. Oh! and that Rafa would make a good one!! Looool. Ya I could imagine him dealing with the new shirt deal and raising money for a new stadium. Because he was SO good with spending The Clubs Mone Before!!!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:18:35
Give up with the get Suarez out nonsense!
Lets stop banging on about it and move on.
I knew the handshake thing would blow up but some of you are making more of it than whiskey nose himself.
Get your head up Luis and we'll move on together.
Bring on the next game and lets go out to get 3 points.


Best post on here today.


Excellent post mate there are more important things in the world than that of a handshake between two men who clearly do not like each other let's move on and let's look forward to the Brighton game where suarez will probley score a hatrick and we will all love him again

Mickleburg.


Agree!!!


ChinUp


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:11:03
i just cant believe this is a liverpool supporters page ......calling for suarez to be sold ....im dumb struck ...the boy been done up like a kipper and if you cant see that ...you know nothing about football ...im stunned by you all ...honestly ...screw evra and whiskey nose for crying out loud mun ....you've all been duped again


I agree with everything you said, mate.

Canadian Fan


One word...Deluded.


You level headed deep thinking mature youngman!!!! That's irony very much doubt you know the meaning of it with That IQ of a cucumber'of yours


^^^^^^^^^^^^^
is it a slang word for pressing your clothes?....2 words and the second one is off ...r u a manc fan?


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:05:49
This is the difference between champions and the rest. Had Man U been on the other side, they would have never apologized and would have stood behind their man. We on the other hand have caved in due to media pressure. The fact is that Suarez does not believe that he did anything racist and Evra got him suspended on false claims. Suarez had every right to snub Evra, someone who has tried to defame him (and other before Suarez). Suarez is a champion and so is KK, however the club refused to back them because of potential commercial impact. Until we change this mentality, we will never be anywhere near the top of EPL.


I don't think man utd would cock this up so badly...sorry


The apology is the best thing the club has done for about 4 months, only deluded morons like yourself think otherwise.

GDS


United would have apologised first time not mishandled it so badly.

You call Evra a liar but LS lied to his own manager about the handshake.


Firstly I never called Evra a liar. I just said that Suarez believes that Evra accused him falsly.

@GDS. If you believe that Suarez is a racist and racially abused Evra then apology is the best thing but then you should not support a club which is supporting a racist player. Use your brain before calling names.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:03:16
i cant believe liverpool have issued an apology to scum utd ...im sorry but theres nothing to apologise for ...thb i am fuming ....fergie gets his way again .....as long as this continues lfc will never win any league title again ....suarez will be gone in the summer now and lfc will be back to square one ....nice one kenny ....what a laughing stock we've become


It's not about fergie at all. It's about lfc getting this wrong. Lfc fan


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:03:09
Manu statement, we thank LFC for their apology and we all want to move forward.So where in this statement does it say we ACCEPT the apology.

Also waiting for Ferdinand and Welbecks apology for NOT shaking Suarez's hand and Evra's for trying to cause trouble in the tunnel at half time AND doing his best to incite a riot after the game,and lastly Fergie himself for ALL his comments relating to Suarez and LFC in his interview after the game

Alan50


Welbeck did shake Suarez's hand. I don't know why people are saying he did not. He was the last United player in line and he clearly did shake his hand.

Canadian Fan


Hear Hear alan50. I am dissapointed with how this has turned out and its given extra hatred between our clubs and those of you who says i wont your seriously deluded !


Banters all well and good its great leading upto a game and at in the pub. But Hating someone because they support another team. Not for me!!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 17:02:47
well done luis and kenny for making your appoliages.and putting the club before all the inncodents.it takes a bigger man to do what you,ve both done.as for evra,ferdinand and fergie well they wont be made to appolagies for there reactions because they and there club never do no wrong.walk on with your heads held high


Always the victim, never your fault...


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:53:15
So there you go, 3 apologies from the club concerning the farce at the swamp yesterday. I am amazed at just how many fans want to leave Suarez to hang on this site and want the guy to be sold.

The guy has done punishment for the "crime" (which again I will repeat he was found PROBABLY guilty of the offence - Read the report people). In hindsight maybe the club should have apologised from the off, or maybe they should have requested a crimminal investigation from the off becuase I doubt the CPS will have taken this case to court based on hearsay and one mans word against another. However, that's my opinion. Back to those fans wanting rid of Luis or for that matter rid of Kenny, are you mad??

If this was the case for every club, then the scum would be down to about 8 players, city would have to lose Mario, chelski, well there's a few there as well. Things like this go on every day in life, people have different beliefs, religions, politics etc but one thing supporting my club has taught me is to back them while they wear that red shirt and perform for us. I commented yesterday that if well sell Luis because of this then I forecast the beginning of the end. Could you imagine any player wanting to sign for us knowing that if they slip up or are accused of something they didn't believe to be wrong that the club won't back them, would you?....no don't think so......TMac


No matter what way you want sugar coat it, Tmac mate Luis was wrong. He has admitted in being wrong and apologised, what more do you want? Sometimes it is hard to defend the indefensible. He has let us all down big-style, i'm f*cking angry with him.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Blair next time your at anfield call suarez to one side and tell him how f*cking angry you are pal, Calm down lad its a day late but its finished with now and apology made.


Fair enough Blair mate you have your opinions (mostly enjoyable to read I might add) but I do believe you have the right to defend yourself and your family and if LS feels evra offended Luis familiy then I for one back his right to do so.....TMac


I think you've got it very wrong to say Suarez has let everyone down. Why has it taken apologies for you to take such a robust stance,if yot felt so strongly about a none handshake you'd of thought that you would've been banging on aboot soon as it happened,but no,wait till it looks like he's done before sticking the boot in. You like putting ynwa after your name but you pick and choose very carefully who it applies to. Read the posts Blair and you'll see everyone ain't let down by Suarez so why say the opposite. From what i've read quite a lot are let down by what the club has said and bowing down to Utd.
Jonson


TMac

I understand your points mate and really enjoy, what you write. We stood by him in the past few months, then goes and makes nobheads out of all of us? Like I said mate, just angry atm. I'll take a couple of valium and calm down mate.

Jonson

The reason I didn't say nothing yesterday is because Kenny said all week that there will be a handshake, then nothing? I wanted to know who was telling lies, Luis or Kenny . And today we got our answer. Luis has said that he is sorry for letting the manager and club down for not shaking Evras hand (just like he said he would). But still some people are blaming Evra, Slur Alex, The media etc for yesterdays incident. When the real culprit was our own Luis. If he had done what he promised he would do, we wouldn't have to make 3 apologys today.

Take your f*cking rose tinted glasses off mate. Luis was wrong yesterday and let everyone at the club down. He told our club and manager blatant f*cking lies and done what Luis Suarez wanted to do f*ck the club and manager.

You and others need to get your f*cking loyalties and priorities, in shape. By backing Luis even after he had admitted he was wrong and LIED to us all. You are siding with Luis against Kenny, The owners, us sensible fans and common sense.

Think about it and get back to me, you tunnel visioned idiot, thanks.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:47:14
You lot are still defending Suarez even though he, the club and Dalglish have all come out an apologised for it? Fickle.

G.A.G.U.S


Stop being a fool by generalising Liverpool fans over individual comments. Everyone's got their own opinion, right or wrong.

It's done with.

Stu.


I think you'll find that the apology has come about from the disgraceful way the media have made such a big issue out of this from day one.
The apology is an attempt to try a draw a line under the matter as it is very clear the media and ManUtd have the same agenda.
I won't say what it is as it is quite clear.


That's Mr. Fickle to you.


Listen G.A.G.U.S Its utd fans like you who wind liverpool fans up and dont allow this to go away ! The apology has been made so get back to your hole and let it be ok PRAT !


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:41:57
There's alot of people on here thatb think saurez will be sold or want to leave but I think the club will work with him and this will all blow over.
Players over the years have done alot worse and the football clubs generaly tent to stick by them , exspecially when they are a good as Saurez is. When we signed Saurez the club new he had a firery side to him , like alot of the best players have, he's still young and has much to learn. I'm sure all the LFC fans will back him all the way and be singing his name when he runs out at Anfiels next.

Bilverstone YNWA


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:35:25
Read Mark Lawrenson's article about handshakes from the Mirror ( tinyurl.com/89pf56o ). That's about the top and bottom of it. RED LENIN


Rooneys response. Wayne Rooney also played down the handshake snub, insisting: "I haven't seen it. A few of the lads were talking about it but we've got to just focus on the game. It's between the two of them, it's nothing to do with us. We had to just focus 100% on the game and make sure we got three points."
Rooney was looking straight down the line as Surez came along he must have seen it, perhaps he was just protecting a team mate


Well rooney is a liar when they played chelsea he said he did not see the penaty assitant he looked at it an appeled


Rooneys part of the england set up with Gerrard and Johnson. If we didn't have any england players? rooney's a bluenose, manc badge kisser looking after his own interest.
kidmillions


You can Bully Rooney but his point is right who care about a handshake the match is there focus on it win will give you 3 point. and why handshake big issue, when after a minute u will kick the man and also u try to acting and do everything that your opposition player get sent off. handshake end of the match is more impotent is start of the match.

R-R


Surely Rooney desreves a little credit for *not* talking about the incident? Even if he did see it!

His manager would have done well to follow his example rather than adding yet more fuel to the fire with his hypocritical outburst.

Matt S - YNWA


His manager doesn't have to meet up with liverpool players in the england squad. Enough said.
kidmillions


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:34:14
Just wondering if any of the EDS or anyone else can help me, im looking to get tickets for the Brighton game on Sunday to take my little lad to his first game what are the chances of me being able to get them if I go the ticket office tomorrow my uncle is coming with us and he's a member your help would be appreciated thanks.

Mat lfc


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:33:48
Only pass and move I have seen in a while is backwards...

Chuck Norris


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:31:41
ed you think suarez will go, but can you think of any striker that may be able to replace him because he is one of our most creative players and thats what we really lack creativity. we need a silva type player {Ed001's Note - we need a player to put the ball in the back of the net more than anything.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:30:14
Sad to say it but. Very Fair Statement just come out from Manchester utd!


It's good of United to accept our apologies.

I went onto their website to see if I could read Evra's apology for attempting to incite a reaction from a clearly upset player at the end of the game. I was also hoping to see an apology from the Knight of the Realm for telling another club what do do with one of their players when it has got nothing to do with him. Maybe it will be on later, he's probably busy telling the press sportswriters what to write in their columns tomorrow or sorting out the referee for their next league game. I'll check again later.

redmersey


They have shown class the whole way through this since suarez 1st made the comment to evra, Unlike us, shambles.


They have shown class all the way through this lol here's a mancs statement defo lads


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:27:52
Wow just wow. Well done mr ayre for bending before the spam and that h***ing piece of she*p that is old whiskey nose. All these statements for the sake of PR, I feel so sick. So now we have offiicialy joined the group of clubs who are bullied by that red nose taggart. You will never walk alone? Never felt so hollow since I started supporting the club. Don't think for a minute the media or those spam fans or that whiskey nose or fans across england will move on, oh no. Suarez for his last few months in england now would still recieve the same abuse.

VM YNWA {Ed002's Note - The apologies will be nothing to do with Sir Alex Ferguson.}


We need to start worrying about L.F.C not man u not what paper or tv channel its about L.F.C and us the supporters if we do the right things then it doesnt matter about anyone else. We can only control what we do


Is your life that empty that it makes you say the thing in above post. Rivalry "brilliant" but some of that is far above that. Grow up go find some friends who support another team and have a bit of friendly banter!! But sadly I bet any money that every aspect of you life revolves around such hating someone something.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:27:34
I think K.K needs to go,his interviews have been terrible and have done. He's just added fuel to the fire with every interview.Well done Suarez no favours with his attitude,is it any wonder that Suarez thought he could get away with what he wanted with his paranoid interviews. He also must.ve been the only Liverpool supporter who didn't see we needed to bring a body or two in during the window.
Amazing that he's a fan of players like Turan when he's upstairs,but hasn't got the nuts to sign him when he's manager. Instead he bought Stewart Downing,the worse 20mil signing in history. Kenny do the right thing and step down,your out of touch with the modern game. Get Hiddink in as coach.


Idiot. If we start appointing managers on the quality of the interviews they give why not try and get Jeremy Paxman? People seem to forget what we were like when Hodgson left last season. Kenny has done a good job since he took over. His interview yessterday was misjudged and he has been man enough to apologize for it. I think on the whole his support of Suarex over the past four months has been excellent.

Bob


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:27:12
I am not happy with anything that has happened but what I want to say is the Media really has escalated everything. Suarez was wrong not to shake Evra's hand after saying he will before the game. And we have to accept a considerable damage has been done to the Club's image because of these events. But Suarez leaving is the solution for clearing the good name than have to say that is ridiculous. Unless Suarez himself asks for a transfer.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:22:04
Ed 002; You keep repeating Suarez won't be at the Club next season, that's just your unqualified opinion.
Please stop repeating it, the normal response is usually see earlier posts but now you keep repeating but now you keep repeating it! Suarez is a fighter and will stay!
Suarez is fighter and will stay. Once a player falls in love with our great club they don't want to leave.
No more repeats please it's doin me head.
kidmillions {Ed002's Note - If people ask the same question over and over again they will get the same answer. Try not to bleat at me. I have put a considerable amount of effort in to the posts over the past 24 hours having to read extremes of vile filth and racist posts from Liverpool fans.}


Alonso, mascherano, Torres, Owen, Fowler etc all fell in love with out great club and left, Suarez is a gonner and good riddance to him, hes a disgrace.


Bleat!! Nice reply.
kidmillions


Ed 002 appreciate your time and effort in replying to the various posts. I do however take your view that suarez will leave at the end of the season with a pinch of salt, as I do with all your 'opinions'. This is in my 'opinion' based on the fact that having read some of your replies and ideas of who the club will sign in recent transfer windows. Have come to the conclusion that you are no more in the know than anyone else who posts on this site. {Ed002's Note - It is a pity you don't have the balls to sign your posts and instead choose to remain an anonymous retromingent vegetable. But hey, who cares. No doubt it was also you with all of the earlier racist comments I had to cut. How is it typing with sticky hands.}


It may only be opinion ed, but i think you will be proved right.

davethebtcher


Ed002 looks like your the one with 'no balls' then or haven't they dropped yet? Didn't want to post my reply because it'll show you out to be the child you are! Sad individual!! No name {Ed002's Note - Sorry? Why do you feel it necessary to abuse the editors? We put a lot of effort in for nothing to keep this site running and this is the thanks we get - anonymous abusive posts from trolls such as you. You truly, truly disgust me.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:20:08
Kenny and suarez both forced to make apolagies, yet again we are the laughing stock of the football world, im just glad Kenny's apolagy wasnt filmed and he wasnt wearing his suarez t-shirt this time, Get Suarez out of our club, NOW.


Suarez is going nowhere. He's even more important now that we know that his presence has Taggert spitting feathers. RED LENIN


Played right into the FA and Fergie's hand, Surez admitting he was wrong not to shake hands admits guilt. Fergie will be pressurizing the FA to bring a charge of bringing the game into dispute against Surez ending in a ban for the cup final, just what they both want....Bobbinred


Why would Ferguson care if you win the cup final? United don't care about how Liverpool do anymore, they are in a different league.

GDS


GDS if united didn't care about liverpool no more then why all this fuss you FOOL !


And GDS why are youse always posting on our site?Contradiction in terms me thinks


You all still think the racism thing is to do with united v Liverpool, if he was racist to someone from say, fulham, would the guy from fulham be a liar?

I came on here as it is a banter site and reading some of the deluded comments makes me laugh a lot. Can't wait to go to work tomorrow with Liverpool fans and see what conspiracy theory they have next.

GDS


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:19:03
The most important apology is yet to come, which disappoints me. In recent months he's embarrassed Liverpool football club and Liverpool supporters. His actions have brought a proud establishment into disrepute. In the summer he told Liverpool that he could cross a ball, and for this blatant lie he must now suffer the consequences. Stewart Downing you are a fraud!

Matthew...


It's about time you posted somthing funny Matthew mate , very good. lol

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Brilliant post, he doesn't even look championship standard in an lfc shirt


More like pub team standard. Stewart useless downing.
Indian Buzzer


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:14:00
Bet some of you people want Roy Hodgson to have been in charge. With him there wouldn't be this kind of situation. Bet you guys want Konchesky and Poulsen over suarez too. Maybe stay in relegation zone too..you never know.

Tekneek.


Your a weirdo


Yeah get roy back hope he brings polsoun with him really miss his pres-since in midfield


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:13:42
I have spoken at length with the Manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong.

I've not only let him down, but also the Club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened.

I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions.

I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football.


This is from Luis Suarez's Twitter...

KingMiz


And do you think it's what Suarez is saying? Or what he is being told to say? I think the latter. RED LENIN


It doesn't matter who drafted it. If something this had been said months ago the club's reputation would not have been damaged.

Now the damage is such that several people will probably leave at the end of the season.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:06:41
I'm now waiting on Downing's apology for his performance yesterday


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:06:10
Have you guys watched the movie "Snatch"? Suarez plays the role of Mickey the gypsy boxer. "Mickey, for the love of god do NOT knock him out!". 1 second later he knocks the guy out. I am sure Kenny co. feel like they have no control over the player, which is probably why Kenny was so frustrated in his post match interview.

No matter what anyone on here says, English football is always a media circus, and Luis has changed the focus from LFC's revival to his own drama. It never ends with this guy:

World cup handball
Biting a player in Dutch league
Obscenities at Fulham fans
Racism drama
How about losing his mind every time a call doesn't go his way? Kicking the ball out of play in anger? Sulking like a baby every time he is subbed? Running into locker room after every game we lose or tie?

The bottom line for me is that we all love watching him play and we all had high hopes of building a team around him, but he is simply a maniac. He is clearly intelligent, as you can see in interviews. There are simply people out there that have a firecracker ready to go off all the time. Most are in jail. Suarez is a footballer.

ps. I love all the drama, just doubt that the owners do.


You must lead a sheltered life. Ooooh!
Handball! Biting! Obscenities! Racism!
Obviously never been the Grafton then.
kidmillions


Should watch the clip from Boys From The Black Stuff where they are in the Green Man pub and 'Shakey' shake-hands comes in.


Lmao @ kid millions. Never been the Grafton. Priceless. Nick.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:03:02
i think KK's days may be numbered, i don't think Fenway wanted him particularly but had to bow to fan pressure, they are a modern organisation who's work with the red sox was based upon modern ideas breaking the status quo. the 'suarez' issue has only emphasised that dalglish is not the man to do that. the apology is a start but the interview with sky was an embarassment, i actually feel sorry for him he looked like a confused old man out of his depth, ferguson would never be caught out like that. whether you like him or loath him he has been the master of evolution and has transformed united with the times into a modern superpower, liverpool and unfortunately KK look stuck in the past. in the short term i think it would be a good start to see suarez disciplined internally, no player should be able to bring a club of liverpool's stature into disrepute. in the long term liverpool need a clean break from the past, they need to break the mould and establish themselves as a european superpower again. a new liverpool with new ideas is the best way to honour the legacy of shankley and paisley and the players that made lfc great (like dalglish himself)


Worst post of the Day! Spelt Shankly Wrong! Any one is allowed to make a spelling mistake but Shankly? sorry Red Card suspended indefinitely! :(
kidmillions


Nice try manc, unfortunately gave yourself away spelt Shankly wrong.


Grow up. You are not a "manc" just because you speak out when the club is clearly being harmed by actions it is taking.

In fact, it is the blinkered "we can do now wrong" posters like you that are more likely opposition fans.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 16:01:24
why cant leo's and capricorns be together? Because they make lepricorns!!! sorry guys i know its a poor attempt at humour but i thought id attempt to cheer some of you up , page is needless to say rather negative today .

scouse simon


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:59:54
im am going to tell you why we are going to cl. its simple, arsenal and chelsea and newcastle have a tougher fixture list, they all face eachother and points will be dropped.
i do not see why suarez will be sold, he has apolegized for his actions, but IF we sell him i would take no less than 55 million, because if torres is worth 50 then suarez must be more expensive.


Don't compare an in form Torres to an in form Suarez. Leagues apart. Torres was and still will be worth that amount if he gets back to that form he had under Liverpool, he was the best striker around. Suarez would be worth £35mil tops on his best form, and thats before all the baggage. £55mil, your having a laugh.

OsgoodIsKing


How would you know what an in form Torres looks like?

JRG


Osgoodisking I think you are having a laugh if you if you think Torres will get near anything like he was at liverpool or will ever be worth 50m. Suarez is worth twice as much as Torres right now


Mickey Drot,John bumstead give Osgood respect chaps he knew all about quality before Romans millions noooooooooooooooot


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:51:35
Suarez, Kenny, Ian Ayre have all come out and made public statements and apologies

I am 100% certain that Fergie, Evra, Ferdinand and United will make no official statement for their part in this saga

Cantona and Fergie did not even apologise for the Kung Fu kick incident, cantona just went on about seagulls trawlers and sardines !!

Leam Red


100%? There has been one, maybe you were only 99.9%?

GDS


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:51:28
Will Alex Ferguson be forced to apologise over the comments he made on live TV? Or are the FA, The Press and all other governing bodies still too scared of him? {Ed002's Note - If Liverpool make a complaint I am sure that the FA will act. Do you think the club will want to see this dragged out further - or do you think that they may jsut wish to drop the matter?}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:50:34
I am sad to be a Liverpool fan today. Instead of backing our player we stab him in the back. If I was Suarez I wouldn't have shook Evra's hand. Suarez is a top player and almost half of the fans I talk to wanting him sold.

I may also add that Rio and Welback did not shake Suares hand. And nothing said about that. As for Evra's Behaviour- what can we say, He was a total disgrace. First tackle of the game he tried to take Suarez out of the game and hit Rio. Then his behaviour at half time and full time has made the situation worse.

To be honest its typical Manchester United and whisky nose. Are people forgetting that there was no incidents on the FA cup game at Anfield but at Old Trafford it kicked of.

I may also add that Ferguson has no right to comment on the state of Liverpool or Suarez. He backed Cantona for kicking a fan and didn't sell him. Which is much worse than Suarez not shaking hands. Did he sell Roy Keane for ending a players career? No? What about Rooney using bad language at the camera and what about the whole Beckham and boot incident. Ferguson have a look at your self before commenting on an other club.


The club did not stab the player, in the back. Did you not read the apologies? If anything Luis stabbed us in the back. He told the manager and club he would shake Evras hand, then he dosn't? He's made a complete fool out his teammates, his club, us fans and manager.

We stick by him and this is how he repays us? I feel let down by him, not the club.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Its a shame for Liverpool that there are still a minority of "supporters" who continue their attempts to drag this whole saga out.

TK-Red


Well said Blair, couldn't agree more.

JRG


The club is bigger than any individual. Your support should be for Liverpool, not Suarez. He has let the club down and damaged our image. He lied to the manager about his intention to shake evras hand (which makes me wonder what else he has lied about), placing his own ego above the interests of the club. Yet the Suarez fan boys continue to show him loyalty in preference to LFC.


'I feel let down by him, not the club'

here here.

davethebutcher


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:47:38
Hello Ed002,
thanks for making everything easy to follow and understand. Thanks for inside news and rumours. I think, as you said, there will be some talks between the manager, the owners, the players and others involved with this great club. The future is still unkown. If Mr Dalglish was to win FA and Curling Cups, maybe...maybe get the 4th spot in the league, then his and the club's future may be bright. If Mr Dalglish fails to get any trophy and CL spot, then he won't probably continue to work as a manager next year. Apart from than, everyone, including people at the club, sees that LFC is way behind City, United in the EPL. Again. And is probably frustrating for them too. I'm positive that everything seems to be going in the right direction after a few poor seasons and I'm not sure that the difference between Liverpool and Manchester clubs is only the matter of money. There is something more to it, and I don't know if everybody at the club support KK. I hope they do. There is still a lot to play for this season. {Ed002's Note - I don't see the owners are going to look to replace Dalglish for failing to qualify for the Champions League, but there will undoubtedly have to be discussions about the direction the club are going, the issues that have surrounded the club over recent months and the on field performances - which from a team perspective have been encouraging but not, say, great. I would expect that after two years in charge they would have been thinking about the team having been settled and improvements being made here and there on a year-on-year basis. However, it looks like there is probably still more work to do than that on field and the off field issues need to be laid to rest completely. I think the summer will be a telling time for the club.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:47:24
I expect Patrice Evra to leave Manchester United in the summer. With his antics at the end of the game, trying to incite voilence, he has dragged united down the gutter. It is too late for Evra now. Ferguson might resign too. Ohh wait...they are saints.

Tekneek


Yer, that - and because he's a sh1t defender, we have to thank him for getting us into the 5th round of the FA cup.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:46:37
Ed's is it possible to see if the computers been used by the People still sticking up for Suarez Now even against the club. Are made By The Early Learning Centre!! It's unbelievable!!!


Great use of English there.

Did you say Early Learning Centre?

Adam


Your use of english is very good too Adam
k-h


Thank you ;)

Adam


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:30:05
Suarez has apologised which shows how much he wants to stay at the club. I think if lfc were to sell him in the summer, this whole racism issue would be brought back to forefront again, it being the reason he has been sold.

Does it mean that the club are gona get rid of KK cos he has stuck up for Suarez?? People make mistakes and should be given the chance to prove how much they want to make up for it.

The clubs reputation has been damaged but it is salvageable, and I'd suarez shows yet focuses on his football, then there is no reason why he shouldn't stay!


I think they will get rid of KK because he hasn't produced. The aim was 4th. He can still salvage this, but if not, they have several reasons now to move him along. Knowing how FSG operate, they would not offend the fans but instead promote Kenny to some ambassador role or such.


Prob best soloution all around,poster above


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:18:54
do the ED's think united should repremand their players publicly for singing the song during the interview with rooney after yesterdays game?
do you think the fa will take any action re this incitement?
do you consider fergies "he shouldn't have done that" will count as a repremand to evra for his obvious attempt to get a reaction from suarez .
i feel if the boot was on the other foot LFC would be in the dock again will united face any charges or public vilification..... i dont think so.

bigg {Ed002's Note - IF there is any reprimand I doubt it will be public. I am not sure "incitement" is the best term but unless there is a complaint made to the FA I doubt they will seek to take any specific action - perhaps a letter warning both clubs about the actions of their employees will be sent. Ferguson clearly said things he should not have yesterday - perhaps everyone has learned a lesson and can move on.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:43:47
football is boring me...


You a Man United Supporter?
Not surprised then.
Tappy left,
tappy right,
tappy back,
tappy left,
tappy forward
tappy right
tappy back
Boring Boring Man United....


What football? All that people are talking about is Suarez this and Suarez that. I have loved Suarez since we bought him and I will continue to and I will support him. But all this negativity needs to quit about it. We are in the last run of the season and can still get in the top 4. Lets support the team and get behind them for this last part of the season. You'll Never Walk Alone.

Red Rat


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:27:45
Should liverpool FC sell Luis Suarez in this summer?

YES - agree
NO - disagree


I believe getting rid of Stewart Downing should be a higher priority. He makes the signing of Harry Kewell look like a good bit of business.


No we should not sell him. Suarez should have shaken hands, for the media circus and for the good of the club. He made a mistake but its no big deal.


I think Downing will be gone for 10m if were lucky.


10 million? 10 pence actually.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:27:10
Even with the apology i think that it might be too late to save suarez from being sold. He has made kenny look a complete fool by his actions and dragged the clubs name into the gutter. Now is the time to cut our losses and sell on at a decent profit. Invest in a forward and right midfielder and hope that we can start talking about football again.

Brian


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:07:22
All the talk of Suarez leaving is a joke. Are decisions about players made for PR reasons instead of footballing reasons these days. So what he didnt shake someones hand, people are dying all over the world and people losing their jobs everyday and people are having a field day cos of a handshake, get a grip! Clubs dont sell their best players because something they did makes bad PR. Ferguson has a cheek, did he get rid of Cantona kicking a fan? Much worse than what Suarez did. Did he get rid of Roy Keane for ending a players career? Have Chelsea tried to get rid of John Terry. In my opinion it would be a huge mistake to get rid of Suarez, without him over the last year we would be mid table. {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with shaking hands and seeking comparisons in others who have erred will not detract from the damage being done to the club by including Suarez in the squad yesterday, and then starting him. I fear that any last hopes he had for staying a Liverpool player may well, rightly or wrongly, slipped away now. To have the Managing Director have to come out and make a statement as he has today shows, or should show, the fans how serious a situation this is.}


I think it is a shame that the managing director didn't get involved right at the start and manage the situation a lot better.
No way should Suarez leave or be made to leave.
He has paid his dues for the 'his word against mine' 3 panel FA hearing decision.
So what if he didn't shake hands with Evra.
It's been said before that Evra clearly changed the position of his hand as it came to Suarez turn. In a split secod Suarez could read that the handshake wasn't going to happen. Not once did Suarez withdraw his hand. It stayed out at the same extended reach and moved onto the next player.
Anyway, what I'm saying is I would be very disappointed if Suarez left. Almost as if Slur Alex has got his way. I mean how dare Liverpool have such a good player in their team again especially after he thought it was safe when Torres dropped form and then moved clubs.
When Suarez announced himself to Purple nose by creating the hat-trick for Kuyt, you could sense the panic it had created.
If, and I mean IF Suarez is forced out and or KK resigns, then it will be very very wrong.
He has apologised and that should be the line drawn under the matter.
Any further questions from the press/tv reporters about the situation should be answered with "no comment" or next question.
It won't take too long for the situation to die down.


I agree with you 300% mate


Lets remind ourselves Terry did something else to one of his team mates regarding the wife/girlfriend and his mate didn't shake his hand.


I said weeks ago that Kenny would have been best keeping Suarez out of the limelight by dropping in from the squad for the Utd game. That way the situation would have been defused and we might have even come away with a point or even three. It's no coincidence that we lost two goals within 4 minutes of the ructions at half time. Utd were fired up we looked distracted. Kenny has to accept some of the responsibility for a poor decision.


I'm backing Suarez all the way. Liverpool FC need to grow a pair. This Rat called Patrice Evra should have been banned from the game years ago. I for one think LFC have bottled on the entire affair. If Suarez goes, then LFC will show the entire world that they are weak. I am totally against any form of Racism, but I think Evra is a trouble causer. LFC need to take a stance instead of bottling all the time. Who runs LFC anyway? Sky or Utd.


Put yourself in the owners' shoes. What do they have to gain by selling Suarez? First of all, probably 40 million. Second, they are making a statement that no player is bigger than the club. He has caused more trouble than not. I love the guy's ability but he has missed more games than he has scored goals.

What do they have to lose? A good footballer. Fortunately, he is replaceable, hopefully with a player who is just as good, and who has respect on the playing field.


Businessman run LFC. Ones who want the club to compete for titles and be respected around the world in order to bring in more revenue. If you'd like LFC to be relegated to the Championship or lower and have no fans outside of a 10 mile radius of Anfield, then feel free to think this is the way forward.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:04:26
Ed002 do you think the club's patience with Suarez is running out and do you think he'll still be a Liverpool player next season? Think Evra is just as bad if not worse,well I don't think I know he is,what he did was pre meditated by clearly moving his game down and his antics at the end.
Don't what he was going to achieve at half time by seeking,or trying to seek Suarez out to ask him why he didn't shake hands. Or his antics at full time which were disgraceful in my opinion. Whisky nose says Suarez could've started a riot,think he needs to look at his number 3 for someone who couldn't done that.

Jonson {Ed002's Note - I don't expect Suarez will be a Liverpool player next season and I rather think there will still be a few issues with fans at certain away games for him to face. The club and the image of the club is what needs to be protected now and the owners are yet again looking to limit the damage. They will certainly be looking for some good PR and closure on these recent issues.}


I know you mightn't want to comment on it because its speculation,but do you think the manager's job is safe for next season,niceone.
Jonson


Arsenal fans!! Looking at all this going on at Liverpool at the min. If your management think about it. It's a Great way to stop Man city pinching all your players. They at least have to go Abroad!!


Complying with Ferguson's demands is most definately not good PR for the club. Sticking two fingers up to him is.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:04:04
As both Luis and the club have now issued statements on the matter and in Luis case an apology, let's hope this can now be put to bed. Luis has served his time and now apologised and as I see it will now learn a lesson from this. I cannot see what more he/the club can do. Obviously the media will still keep this story running for a few more days before they move on to the next issue. However, it will be interesting to see how the spam react. If they refuse to accept the apology or the statement from the club then will the FA/Graham "I need to be in the news" Taylor and the press in general condemn them for it? or will they as usual back down to whiskey nose and agree on his views and allow it to rumble on? should be an interesting week......TMac


It's not backing down to anyone Moron! Image is everything in business. It sends sponsors running to the hills. Why do you think Terrys losing sponsors. Only need a small % of people to believe what they read to affect your turnover potential. Oh especially when your in the middle of FINDING SOMEONE TO SPONSOR A NEW STADIUM for 150m over ten years. Come on use a little bit of common sense.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:02:38
Who says that a modern day footballer has to shake the hand of an opponent who he dislikes?

Football is supposed to be about passion aggression honour teamwork and playing for your team mates, not going around shaking hands with the opposition before kick off. We should go back to the days when both teams run out of the tunnel and go straight into there respective positions, with the captains of each teams shaking hands at the toss of the coin only.

I believe by doing this it takes away any potential flash points, most players nowadays shake hands and have banter with there fellow friends and opposition in the tunnel before they take to the field all in full view of the TV cameras, so why is it necessary on the pitch?

Just to appease Sky and the FA the shaking of hands is seen as the way of bringing unity to our beloved game and putting the FA in a morally higher ground on the world stage. I have always felt strongly against the shaking of hands ceremony, they never did this when I played in the old Division 1 league.

The FA has become a joke over the last 20yrs and is gradually becoming a laughing stock amongst Europe and the rest of the world. The FA stands back and cares to do nothing when players surround the referee swearing directly in front of him and easily lip read by kids of our generation who in turn copy this all over the British isles on a Saturday and Sundays. The brandishing of imaginary cards, the rolling around on the pitch by players once tackled, the aftermatch goading and relentless bias questioning by the media, the constant blaming of referees performance by managers and players, all accepted by the FA and swept under the carpet and nothing done, and yet mention the word Racist then the FA decides to take the higher ground?

Our once beloved game is fast becoming a joke without leadership it's time for a change, before it's too late.

The wizards sleeve...


The game died 20 years ago my friend, with the introduction of the Sky Sports Run Premier League and their long time assistant SAF. The media witch hunt has been growing legs for years. Incidents at other clubs pass by unreported all the time or are dealt with in house, but if someone farts at Anfield, the press are like wolves.


Odd that you believe the game died 20 years ago. I wonder, had Liverpool won a league title in that time, would your opinion be different?

TK-Red


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:17:18
Any inside info from Macca about the Suarez situation?


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:16:29
tbh, you're all blowing this way out of proportion. I've seen worse incidents happen, but LFC did not handle the Suarez situation properly. But we wont play United again this season, so I do think the topic wont come up for a while. Suarez should be fine.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:15:59
I would like to think that maybe Suarez could stay, but I doubt it. Maybe something like this could happen in the Summer:

OUT:

Glen Johnson - £10million - ??
Luis Suarez - £40million - Madrid/Milan/Barcelona
Stewart Downing - £4million + McClean - Sunderland
Joe Cole - £3million - Lille
Fabio Aurelio - Free
Alberto Aquilani - £8million - Milan
Maxi Rodríguez - Free - ??
Dirk Kuyt - £8million - ??
Doni - £1million - ??

IN:

Xabi Alonso - £10million - Real Madrid
Eden Hazard - £30million - Lille
Adam Johnson - £15million - Man City
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar - £15million - Schalke 04


Reina
Kelly - Skrtel - Agger - Enrique
Lucas - Alonso
Gerrard
Hazard - Huntelaar - A Johnson

Jones
Flanagan - Carragher - Coates - Robinson
Spearing - Adam
Bellamy - Henderson - McClean
Carroll

-Shane.


Who'd pay 8m for Kuyt and Doni would most probably leave on free and I don't think any of ins u've quoted would be brought in. And I hope, Suarez would be staying. YNWA


Saurez has been hung out to dry by the club ynwa you do if it potentially hurts sponsorship deals ian ayre had no reason to come out and make louis look like a naughty boy stood in front of the class taking his punishment saurez should have apologised and the rest been dealt with behind closed doors not pandering to the press and fergie what next yes we,l sell him because slur alex said so maybe he will have some ideas on who we sell him too and how much and any other input on how our club should be run from him dissapointed red


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:14:22
am starting to feel ashamed to be a liverpool supporter, we have a long tradition of backing our players and managers yet most of you are not backing suarez, tell me did whisky nose not back cantona after his major incident,yes he did and you should be backing suarez. So what if he didnt shake hands nor did rio and is anyone going on about him NO. stop listening to talks**te and sky and the scum paper and back your team. the most important thing to come from yesterday was how poorly we played, that should be the focus of your attention.

AND WELL DONE SUAREZ FOR NOT REACING TO MR EVRA CELEBRATING IN YOUR FACE AT END OF THE GAME CUS I FOR ONE WOULD HAVE DECKED HIM.


Well said that man above. If Fenway don't like it, then bugger off back to yankee land. In my opinion they are just brown nosing so it doesn't cost them too much loss as a global brand. LFC is a Football Club first and foremost. If they want to remain, they should back their employees.


Talking about The Same people who stopped us from Going into administration less than 2 years ago. Short F";/&:g memory or what. You lack of respect and short sightedness is astounding!!! Are you 8 yrs old?!!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:14:08
Roy is working hard for the England job


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:12:51
lets forget about the handshake and remember the important things like jamie bulger would of been 19 today. happy birthday jamie gbnf and ur family will never walk alone
thanks
big red john


Amen to that


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:11:49
Still 7th, kenny still the man for the job or has anyone woke up yet? Probly be the usual reply, work in progress, go support someone else blah blah blah


Things would come good, I believe. Rome was not built in a day. Its tragic where we are sitting now, but I believe it'd get better for us, in the coming weeks. YNWA


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:11:17
Nice to see we finally got the PR thing right. If only we had done this months ago after the whole thing blew up...

Oh well- onward to the next game and let the media find some other controversy to stir up.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:11:00
I can not believe people are saying suarez has been set up and evra did not want to shake hands.

He has released a statement saying sorry.

I Went and watched the youtube videos and although Evra does lower his hand Suarez makes no attempt to shake it or acknowledge him.

I Have man utd fans as close friends and over the years wind me up with the things they come out saying.

But reading the posts on here alot of fans are even more blinkered than they are.

It's about time we stopped blaming other teams and looked at our own behavior.

Suarez was out of order yesterday, no handshake, crying when Ferdinand clearly tackled him, kicked the ball at the utd bench.

I know people will say "evra did this and evra shouldn't have done that" but i do not care he does not represent us, he can act like a pr**k all day for utd.

I think the management really needs to sort him out because i want him to stay, he has got the passion, he just needs to learn to control his anger and emotion.

Also wouldn't it just be amazing if 3 months ago when Carroll, Henderson, ETC were struggling we could have showed them the same type of support we are showing Suarez now...

G BOX


Suarez (and the club) will now say what they are told to say. You are about to see corporate image & brand protection swing into action big time. Reality plays no part.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:00:56
I think it is now safe to say that Suarez will be gone at the end of the season.

Ash


Possibly. Think much depends on his behavior on and off the pitch over the next few months as well as the overall team performance. If he can keep his nose clean, he might be alright. Anything else happens, even so much as a parking ticket, and I'd agree...


I agree Ash mate, he could be off.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96


Like the eds say tho, "the summer is a long way off yet!"
huddz red


Yeah, sadly I just can't see how he can stay Blair.

Ash


Things change people change
k-h


 

 

12 Feb 2012 15:00:20
hello fellow kopites
The handshake incident aside we didn't have a good game & even in the last 10 min. when we just got a goal back I fail to understand why we didnt attack the utd goal.
That said I still am optimistic that we could very will finish 4th if we dont repeat such performances.just hope the supporters lay back the players a bit , calling for their heads after losses/draws and making them demi-gods after wins.
No matter where we finish , atleast I would still be supporting liverpool next season and be hoping for a better performance than the last one.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:56:37
Onwards and upwards...


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:56:19
After suarez apologise they both should meet up & shake hands and draw aline under it. bigon be bigon

agree if you think they should



disagree if you think they shouldn't

alec


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:55:53
Finally a proper statement from Suarez and Liverpool. I don't care that Suarez hates Evra, but I do care that when Kenny needed to be repaid for sticking by him, Suarez only thought about himself. Kenny was then made to look a fool when trying to firefight the issue with Sky Sports yesterday. Suarez had the chance to finish the issue and continue his career at Liverpool....now I doubt that will happen.

-Shane.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:55:16
Can we stop talkin bou the lack of a stupid handshake and go back to meltin the eds about summer transfer targets? Messi,ronaldo and hazard been spotted at melwood all 3 signed a pre contract.my source grooms kk,s jack russell called fergie! {Ed002's Note - Much better. Thanks.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:54:49
I am gutted suarez has came out and said sorry alls am saying he must have been pushed into it ian ayre is a rat coming out an not backing suarez to the hilt sack him now don't need weak people like him running the club suarez is a liverpool player and should never walk alone there was no concrete evidence that he called evra anythink yet was banned for 8 games if someone accused me of being racist an tainted my name I wouldn't wana shake his hand ever again shows me suarez isnt lying when he rufused to shake his hand liverpool have lost my respect from the owners down if that was a man u player ferguson would not wilt to media pressure I stick with suarez always will not like ian ayre the rat {Ed002's Note - You need to get an "Ian Ayre Out" banner at the next game - it'll be the first I recall. We then find some sort of concerted anti-Ayre campaign on Twitter and Facebook can really add the pressure.}


I seriously can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or just deluded? PR battles have nothing to do with the truth as the truth is irrelevant. This was precisely the right thing to say and do. Now the media has no story to talk about.


Ed I hope your not mocking my post am serious ian ayre is a joke


F"@k/:g unbelievable Ed! I've seen less Blinkers at Aintree!!!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:37:28
The guy said sorry. End of story. Lets stop stir thinks up.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:37:23
Bit embarrassing for all those who Blindly stuck up for Suarez! Looks like the club were told by him he was going to shake hands. By Ian Ayres statement they don't sound very happy with him at all! Bet a few may start to have a go at the club now for having a go at him??? The Suarez fans Not The Liverpool Fans of course.


It is a turbulent issue . Supporting the Club is the most important thing , everyone seems to be on the same page now - so we can move forward & pick up a couple of Trophies this season .

Qwerty


Liverpool are a disgrace and spineless and so are so called supporters like you! Some things trancend football, like principles and morality! Suarez took his stance as a wronged man and did exactly what I would have done personally! He will now leave in the summer and I for one don't blame him! Apologies for some so called Liverpool fans and some of the people who run are club for clearly letting you WALK ALONE! Good luck in Spain Luis lad.

Waro


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:37:18
Yesterday shows that suarez plays for himself and not the club

Suarez had to put his own grievance against evra away and could not do it


He's not fit for the shirt, seek retribution on your own time


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:37:16
Well Luis has apologised for yesterday, clearly the club have had a word. The club have also issued a statement on this so effectively this should now be put to bed - unless of course, SKY, Talk s**te, the press and of course Whiskey Nose don't want it to! Lets wait and see.......TMac


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:36:20
Now that Liverpool and Saurez have apologised for the hand shake incident will all the fans who backed him on this forum back him for apologising?


Suarez may have apologized but i bet he was told to apologies by kenny. the mancs such as evra and fergie should apologies for acting like morons and talking crap about us. suarez still hates evra and i don't blame him. when is man utd next champions league game?. oh wait i forgot, they are in the europa league lol . YNWA liverpool


Hang on a minute, Liverpool aren't in Europe at all!


He has obviously been made to apologise as part of a face-saving exercise. He doesn't even speak English well enough to have made that statement himself.


Its good that we are not in europa league because we hate it.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:34:33
Via LFC website:

Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has today issued the following apology:

"I have spoken with the Manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong.

"I've not only let him down, but also the Club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened.

"I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions.

"I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football."


Glad he's apologised.

Aje


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:34:26
suarez apology issued,evra should accept it ,all should move on mistakes happen lets get back to winning and scoring now prove how big we really are ...........how it should be ynwa allfc


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:33:39
Luis Suarez has put the issue to bed now .

Let's move on to the F.A Cup now .

Another Big Game , phew !

Qwerty


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:30:11
To all those saying that Suarez was wrong to not shake Evra's hand, I ask, would you shake the hand of a guy who falsly accused you of racism and made you do time? {Ed002's Note - Clearly Suarez thinks he was wrong as he has now apologised. So we can now end that discussion.}


No way Ed. It was clearly a statement from a grassy knoll by Lee Harvey Oswald!!!
Lyndon {Ed002's Note - There I was on a grassy knoll in Dallas innocently cleaning my rifle ...}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:29:08
It really is very disappointing the lack of support that our club gets from our own fans.

Our fans would rather believe the trash that the media and Man Utd spread on a daily basis.

You then get the ones complaining the way our image is being tarnished by what Luis did....

According to the FA and media and Man Utd he is guilty.

According to OUR CLUB he is not and they will offer him their full support. They have issued very strong statements to everyone and stand by Luis. Kenny still defends Luis at post match interview and then Luis also tweets that all is not what it seems and we still get all this weak supporters on here slagging the team really.

Liverpool FC and their players are by no means weak. We are strong and we built our reputation by being strong and standing by what we believe in. WE ARE NOT AFRAID AND NEVER BACK DOWN. We have a manager with a back bone and a team with great spirit and promise.
Our manager has class and does not entertain the media or rely on the media to cause an effect.

We may not be setting the league a light now but we will soon. We have a brand new team and we creating so many chances already. All the other top teams have had their teams playing together for about 3-4 years together. We have ours for only this season.

I will only believe what our team issues in form of statements. We have a strong foundation and nothing including the media and any other team in the world is going to break that.

Let our management and owners worry about our image and let our players worry about the job they do on the field and let OUR SUPPORTERS do what we do best and that's SUPPORT.

Stephen South African Red.


Since you only believe club statements, since the publishing of the apologies do you now believe that Saurez and king kenny were out of order?


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:49:59

Luis Suarez

I have spoken at length with the Manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong.

I've not only let him down, but also the Club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened.

I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions.

I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football.

Chris1977 YNWA


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:49:09
looking forward to Evra apology later for celebrating like that and trying to incite hatred but bet i will be waiting a long time


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:48:34
Loyalty is always a good thing. But come on we surely can't stick up for him! Oh ya It's a Conspiracy between Liverpool Board and FA now "probably" he's let us down sadly.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:48:31
What was it you were all saying about Evra refusing to shake Suarez' hand, by moving his hand out of the way?

Have a look at what Suarez has said, and then remove your tongue from his ar*e.

"It's never your fault;
It's never your fault,
Always the victim;
It's never your fault."

MPez


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:42:55
will suarez be leaving? :(


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:40:36
So can we now expect an apology from evra for being a complete dick to Suarez yesterday?
Will the club take any action over the Suarez apology and Ian ayre statement?, by that I mean will he be fines or suspended in house
Bean


Not only Evra's apology, but Ferdinand's and Fergie's apology as well.
LFC1954


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:39:01
Liverpool Managing Director Ian Ayre has today released the following statement.

I had to blow my own trumpet but I should be in HR, or at least ED002's assistant.

"We are extremely disappointed Luis Suarez did not shake hands with Patrice Evra before yesterday's game. The player had told us beforehand that he would, but then chose not to do so.

"He was wrong to mislead us and wrong not to offer his hand to Patrice Evra. He has not only let himself down, but also Kenny Dalglish, his teammates and the Club. It has been made absolutely clear to Luis Suarez that his behaviour was not acceptable.

"Luis Suarez has now apologised for his actions which was the right thing to do. However, all of us have a duty to behave in a responsible manner and we hope that he now understands what is expected of anyone representing Liverpool Football Club."

The Booter


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:27:11
(From the LFC website) Liverpool striker Luis Suarez has today issued the following apology:

"I have spoken with the Manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong.

"I've not only let him down, but also the Club and what it stands for and I'm sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened.

"I should have shaken Patrice Evra's hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions.

"I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football."


Bit late now!


Does that mean you lot will remove the blinkers now ?

Much Love


Just waiting on Rio's statement for not shaking hands & Evra's for his Ht & Ft antics! Don't be holding your breath tho.

The Irish Rover


BIT LATE NOW ! Hang on tit its never to late to apologise have you not heard of that lad ! Dont start that crap here lad when your club have done plenty things wrong you person !


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:26:12
Suarez just released a statement saying he should have shook Evras hand and that he was sorry and regretted it. So clearly it was him who didnt want to shake hands and not Evra.


Obviously the club told him to apologise to defuse the situation, even though we know evra was the one moving his hand away, the club have obviously said apologise or we will be forced to consider your position.RedTurk


Redturk. Surely your Brain had long enough in the time it took for the Signal to get from Brain to fingers to let you realise how in denial you are and Stop you typing it!!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:25:05
Suarez has just issued an apology. W.T.F. Stick to your guns for h***s sake, forced apology from the top no doubt! Liverpool pissed me off when they didn't appeal and Know were cow-towing to the media and sir corn beef nose! For the sencond time this season I am DISGUSTED with Liverpool.

Waro {Ed002's Note - If Liverpool are "cow-towing" you can expect a charge of cruelty to animals to follow.}


Your welcome to go and support him at his next club. Your obviously a Suarez not a Liverpool fan!! As Mr T would say "crazy Fool"


Ha ha ed. you know what i ment though. And as a chelsea fan i don't think you are in a position to crack jokes. Because that's what Celsea are at the minute.

Waro


Oh! Ed2 I feel so let down. A Chelsea fan. That's where all the sticking up for Terry and saying it's nothing like Suarez incident. I'm wounded!!! It's like finding out you hero's a Manu fan!!
Lyndon


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:22:43
Suarez has issued an apology


Suarez is doing what he is told.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:21:36
A bold honest statement from Suarez on the LFC website. An apology to Dalglish and Suarez says he got it totally wrong yesterday.
But I don't think he will be a Liverpool player at the start of next season.


I dont want him there. Let Madrid and Mourinho deal with him. 40 million


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:20:44
I think the guy was a disgrace and shouldn't play for the club again - (Stuart Downing I mean)


Stewart Downing was dreadful yesterday.


Haha absolute gold!


Hilarious , spot on jibe .

Qwerty


Too funny


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:19:28
Suarez Has Just Apologized

GuvTOB


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:12:12
hey guys

im not going to be boring like most fans here and talk about the handshake rubbish


my concern is...........how does stuart downing have the audacity to look annoyed and look to the floor after being substituted..when he didnt do anything with the ball, no crosses, no attempts to beat the full backs!!

seriously i cant stand that

and another thing...if liverpool dont invest heavily on attacking players then this team cant go much further than where we are now


Maybe he was feeling regretful and ashamed of his performance? Don't accuse him of being that kind of player just because he had a bad game.


Yea i take your point in that....i think its more frustrating to see cos i really think hes a very good player..he is quick can cross a great ball..i just think he needs to atleast try to do that more


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:18:00
Suarez releases statement claiming he was wrong and that HE should have shook Evra's hand and that he is sorry to the fans and club

Ian B {Ed002's Note - So perhaps we can move on from this and discuss something else.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:14:36
utd and fergie have been scared of luis from day one so they want to drive him out and ruin our team at any cost! they set that up yesterday big time evera is a rat of a player a snake! refs dont help suarez he gets fouled all the time look at what the utd players have done down the years cantona, giggs and rooney they have brought shame on there club on a far higher level we should be backing suarez or fergie will win and drive a great player out of our club! roger {Ed002's Note - So why would Suarez admit responsibility in his statement today.}


He has prob been forced to do it to let it blow over! roger


Ed2, Suarez did not admit anything. Club did it for him, if you know what I mean.
LFC1954


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:13:11
Right guys got some very interesting info to share. I work at ESPN in the studio in Chiswick and Kelly Cates (Dalglish's daughter) is one of our presenters. I've got a fairly good rapport with her so thought I'd ask her what was actually going on, as I was very upset with what happened yesterday. Suarez DID try and shake Evra's hand, Evra refuted at first and then made a big deal out of it to the camera. Suarez, according to Kelly, will not be sold. He doesn't want to leave either. Just thought I'd pass this on, very concrete she said she had spoken to Kenny this morning. A statement from the club will be released today to apologise over the whole affair. Many thanks,

Dylan {Ed002's Note - Seems she lied to you as Suarez has issued a statement saying he was wrong not to shake Evra's hand and apologising.}


No, she didn't lie to me. She said he's saying that to finally put it to bed, given how badly this has already developed. Suarez explained what happened, the management team as a whole decided it would be better to simply apologise. Everyone at Liverpool firmly believes what Suarez is saying in that Evra pulled his hand away ever so slightly just before to put him off, and then went off on one into the camera to make a scene. The apology is simply the Liverpool PR team finally getting something right. PS I sent that message before the release of the statement, if you don't believe me. Dylan.


Kelly would not be stupid enough to talk about provate conversations with her father.


What an untimely Lie!!!lol. Well and truly shafted!!!


Stop making up lies Dylan. Suarez apology has made a fool of you


Sorry ed just because he apologies doesnt mean it was entirely suarez fault, obviously lfc have told suarez to apologise to defuse the situation, ed maybe you need to watch the videos back and see evra putting his arm down.RedTurk


Ed 002 if even you can't see that this is a forced apology just to keep the peace then you're a bigger fool than I imagined. {Ed002's Note - That is exactly the attitude that will see both Suarez and Dalglish gone in the summer - the fan who won't let it drop, the fan who is going to bleat on about it being a "forced apology". I am absolutely certain the media and fans of the other clubs will love you as you strive to inflict more and more damage on Liverpool. I am obviously a much bigger fool than you imagined - I got the whole thing wrong from weeks ago; sure. What an idiot I was to say that Dalglish would be stupid to play Suarez in this fixture and it would all end in tears.}


Why all these apologies ed? {Ed002's Note - {Ed002's Note - Much of it will be to do with the board being forced yet again in to a major damage limitation activity.}


Dylan
I agree with everything you say
Just as with the decision not to appeal the 8 match ban, the Club just want to put an end to the saga. The official apology was the only logical solution to end the media hype. The club do not wish to drag this out any further in the media by making a big deal about Evra's actions
I don't mind the PR statements as long as the club do continue to back Suarez behind the closed doors

Leam Red


Thanks Leam. It's really not a lie, I promise that is what she said. How else can I prove it? She was wearing a red coat and boots. I really don't get kicks out of making up intricate stories, so believe what you like. Off to do Bundesliga now, please don't just knock off what I say for the sake of it. Dylan


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:07:44
how can ferguson say get rid of suarez!!!!!!!!! did that f*** get rid of cantona when he nearly chopped that guys head off with his kung fu kick, which was 2 seats away from a child and his mother , secondly i cant beleive dalglish n his team selection yesterday, bloody awful. game is way too big for henderson . bellamy n adam should have started as they can keep possession , he could have rested bellamy in the next game . alot of his decisions in the lge are very questionable . downing should have been hawled off after 45min he was a disgrace .this waiting an hour or till we go behind is rubbish . we need to get our noses in front cos we aint been good at chassing games this season

5 gold stars


Someone should tell Ferguson that the Transfer Window has ended!
DM


Someone needs to tell ferguson to mind his own business, since when did he have the right to dictate to us who to buy or sell! he is a control freak, just because he controls a few refs, along with sky sports news, he needs to keep his mouth shut.RedTurk


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:05:07
i think several factors have culminated in a sorry mess

luis is a rascal
evra is a trouble maker
kenny hates the press
fergie hates liverpool
media loves a drama

mix them up and we're in this state!


Just about sums it all up.


Yes you right

But if Kenny was smarter

& If luis was smarter

Then suarez would not have started yesterday and this mess would have been avoided.

Footballers are very often thick he's a prime example.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 14:03:14
forget all the handshake stuff....have we all forgot that we lost and we diddnt look any good? we are only a few points ahead of norwich a team that has just come up...lets think about our great club and worry about our team we aint that good anymore...you can go on and on about the carling cup final still in the fa cup etc but in the league we are poor very poor

paisleys slippers


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:59:16
Look lads why dont we all just forget what happend, its done now an theres nothing any of us can say or do to change that, regardless of our individual views on the matter. I for one am more looking forward to the rest of this month, I mean come on, weve got a great chance of progressing in the F.A cup next week, and weve actually got a final to look forward to for the first time in a few years with a real chance of some silverware, were still only a few points behind 4th place and i genuinely believe that we have a possibillity of come june looking back and sayin what a great season. good times are just around the corner reds. Lets concentrate on them and not the nonsense in the media.

scouse simon


I agree with what you're saying but do you really think the media will let us all get on with it?

All they continually do is make mountains out of mole hills.

Tommy Tank {Ed002's Note - I certainly hope so. Tomorrow will see discussion of his apology and the acid test will likely come with the next away game Suarez starts.}


@ tommy tank, you would like to hope they would, but yer we all know its a slim possibilty, for the MD of the football club to come out and publicly criticise a player shows how much the club are worried but i genuinely believe that we should let it be handled by the powers that be and that as fans we do have things to look forward to and should concentrate on that.

scouse simon


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:57:25
Afternoon Eds fellow reds . just a thought ,with all this hate towards our club by the press and media ,i think that ian arye should push forward with selling the tv rights to a private company like barca and real .then the likes of sky and s**tty newspapers who love alex ferguason can focking stay away and when they need us tough s**t . cheers psv any thoughts {Ed002's Note - He is not able to do that. A contract is already in place for TV rights to be negotiated and contracted centrally.}


Ya let's take Sky on???? With their 3 billion turnover and 24hr sports news channel to put only their side of a story through! Ya that soul be advisable NOT


Nesn is bigger than sky .oh and its own by john henry and co.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:52:47
US PRESS GET INVOLVED - The Luis Suarez controversy has attracted criticism in the United States where the press have called for Liverpool's American owners to intervene.

Suarez has again found himself in the spotlight after ignoring United captain Evra's outstretched hand prior to kick-off at Saturday's encounter at Old Trafford. The match was Suarez's first start since completing his eight-match ban for racially abusing French international Evra in the reverse fixture at Anfield in October.

After the game incensed United manager Sir Alex Ferguson branded the striker a "disgrace to Liverpool Football Club" adding that he should never play for them again. In the United States, the New York Times believes Liverpool's Boston-based owners, Fenway Sports Group, need to act in order to 'repair the club's global image'.

Leading with the headline "Another Ugly Incident Mars Liverpool's Good Name", the Times wrote: "If the Fenway Sports Group is to be the responsible team owner in soccer that it has proved to be in baseball, it needs to get hold of Liverpool, its club in England's Premier League, and repair its global image fast.

"On Saturday, Liverpool lost at Manchester United, 2-1, allowing United to temporarily move into first place in the Premier League. There is no disgrace in such a loss; United, the defending English champion, is vying to keep that title this season, and it very rarely loses at home.

"But there was disgrace, witnessed by television viewers around the world, in the refusal of Liverpool's Luis Suarez to shake the hand of United's Patrice Evra before kick-off." The article concluded by saying: "It is time for John Henry and Tom Werner, leaders of the Fenway Group that controls Liverpool, to state clearly the direction the team will take on this issue."

The Associated Press said the incident had overshadowed United's triumph. AP wrote: "Luis Suarez's refusal to shake hands with Patrice Evra overshadowed Manchester United's 2-1 win over rival Liverpool that lifted the defending champions to first place in the Premier League on Saturday."

Describing the incident, Uruguayan newspaper El Pais wrote: "Suarez was among the final players in the team. And the awaited moment arrived and created tension for several seconds. Without hesitation, Suarez avoided the hand of Evra and did not greet him.

"And as the Uruguayan striker went to greet the following player, the Frenchman, angered, grabbed his arm. But Suarez freed himself and continued to the remaining players. After the handshakes, both Suarez and Evra received the support of their team-mates."

It added: "After the final whistle, Evra celebrated the win next to Suarez, rousing the fans. The Uruguayan did not respond to the provocation and continued walking towards the tunnel. The referee and other Liverpool players intervened in this latest episode, separating the players, to keep things from escalating."


I would expect our US owners to fully back up Suarez and the management; condemn the disgraceful behavior of 2 MU players, and demand public apology from Fergie for interfering into LFC's club policy by manipulating TV and press media. {Ed002's Note - Suarez has issued a statement saying he was wrong not to shake Evra's hand and has apologised.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:45:32
Would like to say having watched the TV footage AGAIN AND AGAIN, if it meant so much to Evra that Suarez did NOT shake his hand,then why the F--K was he LAUGHING with Phil Dowd seconds later.

Tend to agree that the whole thing WAS a set up

Alan50


Those that say i feel ashamed to be a liverpool supporter should go support man U and carrying beliveing what the media says instaed of looking at the wider picture. man Utd showed there true colours and im sick of it. fergies ship is sinking and he wants to take liverpool with him.


He was probably laughing at Suarez acting like a little baby.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:42:18
im a united fan an just want to say yesterday was absolutle nonsense on suarezs part if he just shook hands it was done over forgotten about but his tru coulors showed an he refused i have no doubt he will be serverly punished again but that is useless cause he will play again an what kind of example is it settin, like united, liverpool have a rich history which i belive was tarnished as a rival supporter i should be giving some banter but cant cause all i can see now is one of the worlds most respected teams being brought down to a very low point and any sort of banter will result in both players being brought into all decusions which is wrong both clubs are bigger than these players kenny dalgleish needs to pull his finger out cause before you know it this will be all out of hand im deeply sorry for the disrespect caused to your club by one player an hope you can sort it out really and truly best of luck

young irish


Evra refused Suarez's hand and not the other way around, fool. What transpired between the two players was captured on video.

Evra has shot himself in the foot this time around. He has played his hand with this attempt at setting Suarez up and he will pay.

BooDaBooze


Why should he shake his hand in my personal opinion he had every right to refuse to shake his hand the way hes tarnished his reputation and evra is no angel he went in like an person when he took rio out he had every intention of breaking his legs yet again the media blows it out of proportion yet again no1 said boo about tht tackle im really annoyed there was a bust up in the tunnel with more than one player yet its suarez fault how? he refused to shake his hand so what wayne bridge done it with terry not tht much hype about tht get over it and focus on your players and well do the same

jayblair89


I must say 'young irish' that you have just written a longer sentence than Suarez received!
Dutchmal


If i dont like someone and feel strongly wrong done by that person i would not shake their hand. it would be hypocritical to. sick to death of slur alex telling us what to do at our club


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:37:52
Phill Dowd had a good game...

KNEE JERK


The look on Dowd's face when handshake-gate happened was priceless


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:35:26
Just heard that Kenny Dalgleish will be forced to issue a public apology and announce that Suarez will be moved on in the summer. If Kenny refuses he will be sacked with little known American Thom Robb taking over until the end of the season.

This is John Henry's reaction to the attention being given to LFC and the whole situation in the states. the population of Boston is 53% black and Henry is getting bad publicity.

Don't shoot the messenger!


53% black? are you high? have you seen The Departed?
irrespective anyway, it couls be 0% or 100% that should have no affect over Henrys reaction


If you are going to quote figures at least quote provable ones. US 2010 census - the racial composition of Boston was as follows:
White: 53.9% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 47.0%)
Black or African American: 22.4%
Native American: 0.2%
Asian: 8.9%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.0%
Some other race: 1.6%
Two or more races: 2.4%
Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 17.5%

Consider yourself shot


I really hope not. Because (a) it shows that the 'free' press has got way too much power, (b) that the football club which I love and support either isn't strong enough to stand up to them, or believe the bile that is written by them, and (c) I personally think Suarez is the victim in most of this, not the villain, and (d) I love watching him play for Liverpool. I hope we keep hold of him, all this will blow over soon. Nick


You lot are thick, you are being trolled, try reading a paper that isn't the Star, Thom Robb is the leader of the Ku Klux Klan!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:30:15
I'm genuinely ashamed to be a Liverpool fan right now.
Not because of Suarez or Kenny, but because of half the crack I've read on here. To see the same people who, but a few months ago supported through out, turn on the player as well as the manager try supported is a ******* disgrace.
The FA found Suarez guilty, too something he openly admitted was a jibe not a racial slur. Kenny has backed the player. What would you have done? Would you have shaken the hand or still held some bitterness? Would you of backed the player you manage or fed him to the wolves?
Ferguson chose the captain. First handshake? This doesn't matter though does it?
Those that have turned your backs continue to do so.
Darren


Here i total agree with yea mate, too many "fans" willing to just on the back on own players and manager, we are LIVERPOOL and too suarez and kenny you'll will NEVER walk alone,
JD BRooks


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:18:39
i dont see what the big deal is with the hand shake thing tv and ferguson have blown it right up 1st thing ferguson said he should never play again for liverpool while keane and scholes didnt shake vieras hand b4 a match nothing really said oh and cantona kicks someone in the crowed they all played for utd again. 2nd john terry and wayne bridge dont shake hands live on tv nothing really said. 3rd terry and ferdinand dont need to shake b4 game but liverpool and utd made to lol...... is this all going one way its a joke ya maybe he should of shaken hands but thats his chioce in my opinion leave the guy alone for god sake he and liverpool took the 8 match ban even tho they feel it was taken the wrong way. in my opinion in his country its fine here its not so he took it on the chin thats it. if evra had slept with his wife and he didnt shake hands that would be ok i think ever one is jumping on the rasim card.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:15:53
liverpool football club has and always will conduct itself honestly and respectifully toward others there is a lot going on here at the moment that the club is against, lies the truth being twisted big time im not going to name the culprits but its obvious i back my club and suarez 150 percent the truth will out i wouldnt shake the hand of a twisted dishonest sad little man either good on you suarez at least you have balls and principles.

gee man


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:15:29
Who where all those people wearing green and gold scarves at old trafford? Norwich City fans who got lost in the snow on the way to Swansea? :)


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:14:30
ed 2 have u seen the videos of the handshake looks like evra drops his hand? what u thunk suarez meant when he said things is not all as it seems? tanx {Ed002's Note - I have no interest in the handshaking at all. It is not and never was the point. The issue was always going to be controversy if Suarez was included in the squad – the circumstances are totally irrelevant. It is the club and the name of the club that is suffering, but everyone is getting so wrapped up in the player no one seems to care much about the problems that the club are facing.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:00:44
One part of all this I can't understand is. If the evidence against Suazez at the hearing Was so compelling Why have the Police asked for the transcripts of the hearing and Charged him. I know Ed2 will have an opinion on this. Because if the evidence is their they can charge even with out a complaint from a victim. Not a conspiracy theory just wondering. We must have a Lawyer or Police officer on the site somewhere to answer this
Cheers
Lyndon {Ed002's Note - There has been no complaint to the police and they are happy to let the FA handle on field affairs as far as is possible.}


Ed2 as much as I respect you opinion. That's a Crock of. If you commit a criminal offence "and last time I looked racism is" your work couldn't deal with the offence and the police say that's ok we won't bother. Your a clever enough man to know that. I'd the Evidence was there a Crime is a crime. The police would of jumped on it! But as you know Probability is not going to the CPS to take a case to court. {Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the matter of work. The police, as I say, are happy to let the FA handle such matters. It is not a "crock" or anything else. Your supposition about the CPS etc. is simply wrong.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:58:09
I think handshakes should be made at the end of sports contests. Rugby, cricket, boxing etc a mutual respect is shown win, lose or draw. You never hear coaches or players being critical of referees or umpires in these sports either nor opposition fans abusing each other.
Football needs leadership from the very top of the sport to ensure respect is the norm. We make the excuse that is a problem with society but I don't agree as the other sports don't have football's problems.
Use technology to reduce referee errors thus improving respect for officials and then get all clubs to pay 5% of their income towards a coordinated programme that educated, players, managers and spectators in the standards that are expected of everyone in the game.
At work I have to train myself in online diversity and equality standards and if I breach those standards I will be disciplined or even dismissed. Football should make everyone involved pass similar courses and not allow participation unless those courses are passed.
I manage an U7 team and at the end of each game we tell our 6 year olds to shake hands and give three cheers for the opposition, regardless of the game itself. If we promote such standards for children why should adults set a different example when they play?
I don't think either club or player have come out of this with any credit and indeed comments such as Suarez should never play for Liverpool again are most unwise. What if Liverpool had suggested after Cantona had served his ban that Man Utd should never play him again? I don't think the person trying to take the moral high ground would have appreciated Liverpool telling him how to run his club.
I think both clubs should now refuse all interviews on the subject and move on for the good of the game.
ALB.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:57:09
This whole Suarez and Evra affair stinks of what, for me, is and has been the problem with our game since the Premier League began. Sky and Man Utd (in particular Ferguson) have too much influence in the game. Together they have bred over analysis and created a 'win at all cost' mentality which will eventually turn people away and as a result, within time, the game will implode.

I am beginning myself to get very tired and annoyed with the state of the game and those that control it. We seem to have lost what was once an honest, tough and hard fought contact sport and have now got what can only be called 'cheatball'.

FT


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:53:06
Can somebody please tell me what luis did yesterday that was actually wrong, i am reading fellow reds comments and they are even saying he did something wrong what because he refused to shake a lying mans hand when did that become wrong?
What about ferdinand refusing to shake his hand aint that the same its became a joke.
Fergie has came out and said what luis did could of caused a riot that was nothing what evra did was a hell of a lot worse going to the liverpool fans and celebrating right infront of luis trying to get a reaction, what it shows to me is how much of a bigger man luis is by not taking him on, we should be congratulating him not giving him abuse

please feel free to comment .

Davy


Totally agree Davy, were is the rule that states you have to like someone/shake their hand. The whole issue about rasicim is it's against the law of this country.......last time I heard having the right of freedom to speach and choose your actions that don't en-danger other people is still in existance and if Luis does not like evra then where does it say in the fa rule book or this country's laws he has to shake his hand? TMac


Hi Davy,

This issue as i see it is not about what has happened before, i do believe that the 8 match ban awarded to Suarez was unfair and i do believe that Evra has lied, the problem that i have with yesterdays events is that the club & Dalglish personally have taken alot of flak in the media for their support of Suarez in the past and he had the opportunity to ease some of that by shaking Evra's hand. His refusal to do that has only served to reignite the whole issue in the press and now the club is suffering as i direct result. He needs to stop acting so selfishly and remember that is actions can have a massive effect on the club.

Nye


Really, " What did Luis do that was actually wrong?" Cmon mate, Im a liverpool fan, but he admitted using a term which whilst culturally acceptable in his nation is totally unacceptable in ours. Evra didn't lie, stop being so blind. Suarez might be a racist, he might not be, only he knows, but his behaviour is totally inappropriate.
Yesterdays display was embarrassing and immature, the man doesn't have the sense of moss on a rock. He is either wilfully trying to antagonise the situation or lacks the brains to act in a way to resolve it, either way the boy is out of order and needs to be sold.
Stop sticking your heads in the sand and think what would happen in your place of work if you behaved like he did.
In short the mans a disgrace, talented footballer certainly, but as a man, seriously flawed,

Andy


The issue is that of the club, not Suarez. He had a chance to put it all to bed, but by not shaking Evra 's hand he has tarnished oue beloved club and left the owners with little choice. Mark my words: Kenny and Luis will be done by summer


Davy, what I think Luis did yesterday that was wrong was a failure to see the bigger picture. He acted inappropriately to the detriment of himself, his club and the wider community in general.

Whilst I totally agree with the sentiment of your post; just because Evra is more than likely a liar and not worthy of a pre game handshake and just because Beetroothead is somehow allowed to make the comments he makes, and just because it DOES REALLY appear to be a very well orchestrated for Sky TV pre game ceremony, and just because somehow it is OK for Evra to carry on the way he did at the end of the match, and no matter that Luis didn't react in any manner to Evra's carry on.......None of that matters. Why?
Because the media will continue to tell us all that Luis is a very, very naughty boy and we shall all beleive it to be gospel. LFC should have known that and should never have allowed Luis to start this game. LFC have now brought unneccessary scrutiny onto themselves.

Luis should have grabbed Evras hand and squeezed the living crap out of it, putting an end to this whole thing, but he did not.

It may seem completely unfair but Luis' failure to bend over and allow himself to be royally rogered is what he did wrong.

RedOz


Andy your doing pretty similar as to what Suarez did you disagree with what Suarez did so your making your point by sending your post so in short you refuse to except Louis Suarez's disagreement with Patrick Evra and the only way he could show his distane was not to shake this persons hand because of Evra Louis has got to carry around with him the name racist with him all his life were ever he goes the name will be brought up all because he used a word which in his own country is exceptable but not here and as for Liverpool FC our club has prided its self on signing ethnic footballers starting with Howard Gale so Kenny is right in protecting our clubs name and its players because if he does not stand up for our club then our club is finished and we all may as well pack up football watching, playing, and running one last thing when Paul Davis of Arsenal broke Glen Cockerels jaw in an extreme act of violence was this a racist attack was it at the time reported as a racist attack No but one word is racist I do believe priorities have been lost you can break a mans jaw but if you call a person a name your a racist.Andy I like many many more Liverpool supporters love our club and to hear a so called reds fan make comments like yours makes me sick to my stomach I would rather people like you go and support another football club and leave Liverpool FC to the real supporters .


Andy your doing pretty similar as to what Suarez did you disagree with what Suarez did so your making your point by sending your post so in short you refuse to except Louis Suarez's disagreement with Patrick Evra and the only way he could show his distane was not to shake this persons hand because of Evra Louis has got to carry around with him the name racist with him all his life were ever he goes the name will be brought up all because he used a word which in his own country is exceptable but not here and as for Liverpool FC our club has prided its self on signing ethnic footballers starting with Howard Gale so Kenny is right in protecting our clubs name and its players because if he does not stand up for our club then our club is finished and we all may as well pack up football watching, playing, and running one last thing when Paul Davis of Arsenal broke Glen Cockerels jaw in an extreme act of violence was this a racist attack was it at the time reported as a racist attack No but one word is racist I do believe priorities have been lost you can break a mans jaw but if you call a person a name your a racist.Andy I like many many more Liverpool supporters love our club and to hear a so called reds fan make comments like yours makes me sick to my stomach I would rather people like you go and support another football club and leave Liverpool FC to the real supporters .


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:51:31
To be honest, I really do think it is Evra who has refused Suarez' hand. Evra lowers his hand as if to say "you make the effort" and Suarez simply doesn't go out of his way to shake his hand. I have changed my mind about it today.

https://p.twimg.com/AlYzEMbCIAE6vQc.jpg

Ash


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:42:57
Maybe Suarez shouldn't have played yesterday, just maybe tho. My point is that I noticed that ed002 had stated early on in his ban that he had doubts if Suarez should play, then why oh why not let him play in the Man City game & the game after thus missing his 30 min cameo against Spurs & the Utd game. Surely the Liverpool board/management must have evaluated this & concluded that he was always going to play some part against Utd or effectively make him serve a 9 match ban.

Saying that, Suarez cannot be held responsible for other peoples reactions. These footballers are all adults ( I use the term loosely). Although Suarez was stupid not to shake Evra's hand, that is all he done! He is not responsible for not shaking Rio's hand, the confrontation at Ht or Evra's over reaction/ goading at full time. Every player has to take responsibility for their own actions. If I stick my head in the fire doesn't mean someone else has to.

Ps Ed002 what is a Glifnard? Spill the beans, it seems your fav word at the moment.

The Irish Rover
{Ed002's Note - Leo is the personification of a glifnard.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 13:08:13
kenny should of made luis captain for the day . with evra also being captain it would of shown that liverpool had an idea that dirty tricks were behind hand shake . dont the captains shake hands twice before kick off.

alan waddle


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:28:05
edd 2 i have posted a few things to you but you have never posted before, i have never insulted you but disagreed with you strongly on a few points,now my inpression about your surez stance is he should go because he would not shake a hand of a man who got him banned and labled him a racist? a handshake?this is not a racial story, never has been, this is a poison relationship between two of the biggest clubs in the world,i can speek for real scousers and say its tribal liverpool manchester, always has been always will be,say for instance this happend to jermain defoe it would have not gone this far,not my main point is to you, by your reaction that surez staying here is unlikely ,then john terry should be off from chelsea?i very much doubt you will say that, why is that? may be because he is english?homophobia media driven press the same press that thought it was a good idea not for jt or chelsea to shake hands with qpr a few weeks ago, swept under the carpet,now i would like to know your stance on my post, if you print it i mean.
frankyscouse {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what sort of idiot you are, but I have not said anything of the sort about Suarez, or handshakes or racism. I have no idea why you raise John Terry and then mention homophobia and him being English - you obviously don't know that I am not English. I have little or no stance on your post - what little I could decipher was palpable nonsense.}


Why insult the poster ed.
k-h {Ed002's Note - I find it wholly unacceptable when someone comes along and puts words in to my mouth. I have never mentioned any of that and then to second guess something else and start asking me questions "because he is english". The post was the work of a complete jerk.}


Lol ed plenty of fire in your belly i was only trying to rise you,i think you should go into politics and let the fools at the top have a bit of your lets call it your good side.
k-h


So Ed does this mean you wont shake franky scouses hand then ?


Homophobia media driven press?


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:42:56
OK I'm not sure what the arguement is, if the agreement before the game from both clubs was that the handshake takes place, and everyone tries to move on, then Suarez is solely to blaim, whatever you think about the right or wrong of what happened with the ban etc.

He has shown disrespect to Kenny and the club, when we have frankly gone above an beyond for him. Kenny clearly didn't know in the interview after, so Suarez has done this all himself.

If this was any other club than Man U, and Fergie then I think we (all lfc fans) would be in agreement, naturally our backs are up because its the Mancs, but as KK keeps saying the club is more important than anyone player. AND it is.

He needs to be sold before the legacy of a great man become sullened. £30 million to Real Madrid, Defoe in for 8 million, and the rest to spend on another striker and right sided midfielder.

A LFC fan.


Are you blind or what!
kidmillions


Does any body believe that lfc would do any thing that slur alex suggests i.e . sell luis cos kenny certainly wont


A LFC fan ? that has to be questioned so we would get 30 million from madrid for a player now castigated as a racist and bring in defoe a black player to apease sir corn beef nose down the east lancs and all the black people from around the world you WALLY


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:39:29
Everyone just relax.


That's what Frankie goes to Hollywood said


But did holly relax or did paul


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:39:06
Why do you believe Luis will be sold after the club have backed him throughout the whole period, it needs to be over and done with now nd move on


Tell KK and Suarez that, to move on.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:24:59
Hi Eds

Did you get the impression that neither man wanted to shake hands yesterday.If that was the case then whats the problem or was it just the delayed reaction from Evra that caused the issue. The reaction of Ferguson after the match was more of a disgrace.He obviously has a very short memory,It has got nothing at all to do with him.Im certain if we were commenting on his players he would certainly not like it .

Lets move on we have a cup final to look forward to.A fifth round fa cup and we are still in the running for a champs league spot.

As for the Summer we will see what transpires.

REDFORLIFE {Ed001's Note - I just don't really care, it is a handshake, if they shake great, if not it's just irrelevant. Just a pointless and meaningless debate about nothing to me.}


Ed001 if you think it is irrelevant then do you disagree with Ed002 when they say Suarez will be sold. {Ed001's Note - no, I think it is very likely he will be.}


I agree with the ed, i couldn't care less...unfortunately the media don't agree and have fully rounded against suarez and the club as if not shaking his hand was a crime. Understandably the lfc fans are taking offence to this and that is why there are so many posts on the subject.


Should'nt ferguson be done for bringing the game in to disrepute with his remarks about another club and its players ? I am sure if other managers had said them uncalled for remarks they would be on a charge also just like to say that the referee yesterday was outstanding in every way {Ed002's Note - I suspect he could face a reprimand for it, and I am sure he certainly would if Liverpool made a complaint. However, I think it may be playing in to his hands to drag this matter out any further.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:24:15
I for one think dalglish should be sacked. i said at the beginning if he dosent do well his stature at the club will be overlooked & be branded a failure. I have mixed views on the handshake Evra put his hand further down so suarez might of thought if your not going to bother why should i. then Evra pulled him back so it would make him look the good guy! Evra tried his best to hurt suarez with one of the first takles but took Rio out & could of possibly ended his career if he landed any worse! Cheering like he won the prem or champs league was totally out of order suarez walked away half time Evra went gunning for suarez no need for that add it up & Evra is a tool. Dalglish has gave us some good wins & a final but with the money he has spent & the people he sold dosent make sense! We need a new manager who dosent take crap lightly. What u think eds

alec


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:18:41
Ed you say Isla will replace Johnson but what would that mean for Kelly? The lad is extremely talented and we can't expect him to sit on the bench next season feeding off scraps like he did this one. Do you think Isla would be played in a more attacking role to accommodate Kelly? {Ed001's Note - Isla is wanted to cover both roles on the right, so possibly.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:11:11
Watch the match again. Watch how the players interact with each other throughout. One thing that is very obvious is Evra is not particulalrly popular with most of his own teammates. To further highlight this, Suarez was having a laugh and joke with most of the United team during the game helping them up and them helping him up. I reckon if anyone is moved on in the summer over this affair it will be Evra and possibly Ferdinand. RED LENIN


Lol. also man utd's ball boys didnt look very energetic - i think they're made to stitch footballs in factories in the week, and also the seats at old trafford aren't as red as the ones at anfield, and the grass isnt as green, and suarez's boots are a lot better than evra's.


I saw Suarez hugging Valencia.

Square tomato


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:03:43
Suarez will remain at Liverpool in the summer but he won't survive if another scandal hits.

Suarez actions before the game were immature, nothing more. Evra and Ferdinand meanwhile are still culpable. Ferguson has wound up the whole thing with his comments. Dalglish has a responsibility to defend his players.

Much of this is being driven by the media. Part of that narrative is that Suarez is guilty of racial abuse which he clearly feels he isn't.

Time is a great healer. LFC won't play Man Utd for at least 6 months. By midweek the press will have the Champions league and England job to talk about.
Everyone can still move on.

Through the Storm


He's engineering a way out - he knows he's your best player and would like to play with players of a similar ilk


Suarez did nothing wrong today. He clearly held out his hand to shake. Evra and Ferdinand stitched him up.

But the damage has been done. Suarez is now cast as the villain of the EPL.

LFC now need to think about what is best for the club given that we live in a world of media spin and media-created perceptions. We cannot continue being cast as the villain of the EPL - rightly or wrongly. That is not an option.

I think there will be big changes in the summer.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 12:00:07
thank you for watching the Old trafford circus with Luis Suarez walking the tightrope Evra the clown , Rio Ferdinand performing acrobats (that was my favourite part) and Phil Dowd the lion Tamer


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:42:24
And they say love is blind.....

Before I start I'd like to say that I'm a Liverpool fan of 36 years and have seen many controversies come and go.

On first viewing my intitial reaction to the 'handshake' was 'Oh dear, Suarez refused to shake hands with Evra'. Nothing I have seen and nothing I have heard has changed that. Dalglish himself said this week 'We have spoken to him. I know he will shake the hand of Patrice Evra and the other Manchester United players before the game.' If he has deliberately gone against Kenny's wishes then maybe his situation has become, as ED002 is suggesting untenable?

Those of you suggesting that it is the media against Liverpool really need to wake up. The vast majority of neutrals and indeed one of our very own, Alan Hansen have condemned Suarez' actions.

On the flip side and as I stated earlier, I've lost count of the amount of controversies over the years that have meant that a player 'should' never play for the club again'. Cantona's kung-fu kick, Rio's failed drug test and even Schmeichel's racist abuse of Ian Wright (no hidden agenda here I swear!).

Players and Managers come and go, but the integrity of the club and, increasingly it's fans, is being questioned and I honestly believe the club should condemn the actions of Suarez. As a player I'm one of his biggest fans and he's still young enough to learn from his mistakes, but he has previous and needs to be told in private (and in this case, in public) that behaviour like this will not be tolerated at this football club.

The Booter


12 Feb 2012 16:34:06
Try watching this video of Suarez / Evra handshake before you blame anyone....evra clearly pulls his hand away despite Luis offering his.....

t.co/T3xrsVBT

Tel 1949


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:33:16
A man chose not to shake another man's hand. SO WHAT!

News reporters are saying surely it's time to draw a line under it, yet they are making it there top story.

We hate united and they hate us.

Marc {Ed001's Note - speak for yourself, I am not so childish as to hate over a game.}


Means more to us ed, so yes we hate them. {Ed001's Note - then you need to grow up.}


The media say get over it one minute and then twist the words again and now they are saying that they all agree with the outrageous comments that saf am which were totally out of order and unnecessary


It's not over a game, I hated them when they got relegated to the old 2nd Division.
Those were the days :) scousers hate mancs and mancs hate scousers and if your not a scouser or a manc no matter who you support you won't understand.
kidmillions {Ed001's Note - I understand it, but I am not childish enough to hate someone because of where they are from or who they support.}


Well said Ed


If the press think a line should be drawn under it they would stop commenting on it and stop asking questions about it. The fact that they continue to do both shows that they are going to milk this for as long as they can. RED LENIN


Pull your head out of the sand. LFC are in a mess and showing a clear lack of class. Appears that leadership is a problem with owners and Ian Ayre unable or scared to front up Kenny.

As a fan I have always been proud on how are club is seen by other clubs home and abroad and importantly how the fans are seen. We are losing all respect.

Having great owners is not just about spending millions on players its about strong leaders. Remember Peter Robinson after Hillsborough.

I would hope today that Kenny and Suarez issue an apology. If nothing is sorted I will guarantee neither will be here in the summer.


The time to get over it was when suarez SHOULD have shook hands with evra can anyone believe kenny didnt have a word with Suarez and agree that a handshake should happen (because if kenny thought it was going to turn out the way it did he may not have played him) suarez has brought more trouble to the door of Kenny which he could do without.But for kenny to say he wasnt aware the handshake had not took place is unbelievable .This club I love greatly and men I have spent most of my life worshipping has been dragged through the mud by one mans childish action in not shaking hands so please lets not blame the media or Manchester United the buck stops at Anfield and it is time for the club to step up to the plate and show some class by either issuing an appology or suspending suarez .Once we were hated because we won everything and I loved it now we are branded as Racist ,churlish,liars


Why should anyone at Liverpool Football Club apologise, whats the reasons?? Sky Sports had god knows how many cameras round that ground yesterday and STILL know one can see that Evra pulled his hand away!! Look what Evra done at the world cup and everyone thinks he's an angel.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:31:35
I'm sorry but am i the only one that seen Evra pull his hand away? watch the videos, Suarez clearly dosen't move his hand, after shaking the linesmans hand it stays out to meet Evra's' he then pulls away. Evra knew what he was doing, he was at Old Trafford, if it hada been at Anfield it would never have happened.


As I see it, Suarez has been suckered and is now in an untenable position.
His ban has left him a pariah and this latest event, which I belive was engineered by Evra, has effectively crucified him.
The only thing that could possible allow him to come back from this, is if Dowd writes a "special" report stating that Evra withdrew his hand (Looking at the video, I suspect Dowd saw it happen) and the FA charge Evra with bringing the game into disrepute, stating the reasons, and vindicates Suarez by saying he acted with dignity and without malice through the whole incident.


Yes, your the only one


I thought exactley the same thing, why put your hand down by your side if you know your going to shake numerous hands. suarez didn't move his hand. evra played it up to the camera on purpose and as for fergie saying he is a disgrace, does he not rememer one of his own players scissor kicking the public
huddz red


Yes mate , i saw it he kind of lowered it for a second


The footage is on YouTbue. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but if you play it slow it does appear that Evra dropped his hand whereas Suarez kept his out then pulled away after, and that Ferdinand knew it was going to happen. In slow-motion it does look like a put-up job, but we fell for it if it was so that's that. RED LENIN


Sunday mirror page seven , picture one shows above comment to be 100% correct .
evra keeps his hand at waist level. suarez not yet give his version.


Ha ha ha! in slo-mo? if you slow anything down it looks different. if you slow a baloon filled with water being popped it looks like the water is defying gravity - and he didnt put his hand by his side, he lowered it to each player and gave them each a proper handshake - he did the same for Suarez who ignored it.
stop clutching at straws you sound absolutely pathetic


I agree with the original poster, at no point did Luis withdraw his hand in any way whatsoever. He passed Evra then Evra raised his hand, too late. I think Evra has stitched us all up. Let's wait for LFC statement, and Suarez one too. However i fear the LFC one will political and Suarez will have the true version of events. I never want to see Evra on a footy pitch again, the man is coward


Some of the press are now remarking on what Evra appeared to have possibly done. But that aside, maybe Suarez just doesn't like him. It would be pure hypocrisy to shake the hand of someone you haven't got the time of day for.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:31:25
got to say john barnes was fantastic on sky sports news this morning totally spoke very eloquently and the truth he should be given a ambassadors role at the club he has made the most sense out of any 1 iv seen interviewed
giblet


Does anyone have link for this, or maybe quotes?

The Booter


He was talking on five live today also, very impressed with what he says. Top man


12 Feb 2012 16:36:33
John Barnes: We are not the custodians of moral value in the world

www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_Im6kq7uY


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:30:35
Louis Suarez tweeted after the game "Things are not what they seem" Watch the handshake footage and note the clear image of the referee's outstretched arm in the background at the point Suarez is line with evra;compare the position of evra's arm/hand to the referee. evra's body language as usual was confrontational.
It's perfectly obvious he evra is not offering his hand also note the expression on evra's face he had no intention of shaking Suarez's hand.It's only when Suarez shakes De gea's hand, evra then decides to move his hand forward and is openly confrontational therefore deflecting the blame to Suarez: Suarez in the moment probably thought fine not that keen to shake your hand any way. I personally think the whole episode has been premeditated from day one. Think we've fell for a dirty manc trick boys.
kidmillions


Chip and shoulder(s) springs to mind


We've fell for nothing mate we can all see what haapened by a sly thing


The game were the incident first happened at Anfield Evra refused to shake Suarez's hand nothing was said of this was it because he was black ?


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:25:25
i'm not going to come on here and slag off induviduals as it's a team game,there's 1 thing that really sticks out from the last 2 games is our poor passing,the amount of times we give the ball away is shocking,back when kk was playing training consisted of 5 a side games,maybe it's time to reintroduce this as it would improve our passing and maybe speed up our build up play aswell,just a thought.
paul d


Think you'll find they already do. Also some players are a great in training and s**t on the pitch. It will take Kenny a while to truly get to know his players.
kidmillions


I think it's spearing who looks out of depth when it comes to passing... Thats why Gerard was having a go at him


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:22:38
I must be the only black lfc supporter who sees nothing wrong with what happened yesterday. Evra clearly engineered the situation by trying to force suarez to reach for him by retracting his hand at the last minute. If i was in suarez position i probably would have walked on too, Suarez at no point retracts his hand. I do not think his position is untenable but i see i am in the majority of one on that. Having to suffer from indirect and often direct racism all my life i may be immune to the petty squabbles with two overpaid and childish footballers. The world would not suddenly stop being racist had they shook hands yesterday and as usual the media and certain idiots are jumping on the bandwagon to sell papers or promote websites. We all have opinions and i will listen to any viewpoint on this matter but for me i'm done, this is just bulls**t media trying to stir and im sick of it.
Slimboy


Mate I totally agree, im black and dont blame suarez for one second. evra never offered his hand.


Well said that man. Totally agree
Cmon then


Well said m8. Take my hat of to you

Redcam


Post of the day for me

cozinoz


Honest and forthright Post, well said and well done.
kidmillions


Why are we the only ones to have seen this, could we have been watching a different channel than everyone else.
FatheadRed


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:13:34
On a lighter note when ls kicks the ball out at ht. Check out Phil dowds reaction when Rooney runs over and talks to him. Rooneys breath must stink!


Ha Ha! Made me laugh!
kidmillions


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:11:54
My opinion of the game: In the end, I think it could have gone either way, united were lucky with their second goal with a mistake from Jay Spearing. You have to say united deserved to win and Liverpool got the team and tactics wrong. We let United played a lot of that tippy-tappy football, while we got behind the ball. This was a good tactic,
since that manc tippy-tappy crap is largely ineffective, we were
never undone by it once in our final third, we just had to play a patient game and break. But we ourselves were useless in possession, gave it away too easily or lacked a final pass in the final third of the pitch. Are problems this season have been scoring and are:

(1) Formation 4-5-1, with Suarez up front along is ineffective because he is too isolated. He needs someone to play-off. This formation is better with Carroll because he can hold it up and lay it off. 4-5-1 With Suarez and Gerrard in the hole behind, Bellamy left or right, would give a pacey, one touch quick passing attack. But I don't think we've seen this one yet? 5-4-1 with Bellamy upfront could give us a pacey attack, akin to when Torres played, running onto ball from Gerrard and Adam, but we've not seen this one either. Downing has to play when Carroll plays, Downing has to improve, he can play better than he does at the moment, (dunno what's happening there). I have also wondered about downing up-front 4-4-1-1 playing off Carroll and switching to both right and left wings? It looks to me that Kuyt has been played too much in midfield to ever be effective up top in 4-5-1.

(2) Formation 4-4-2. This is completely ineffective so far with Suares and Carroll, While Carroll is getting his game toether, the roles of both strikers in this formation is still a work in process. If we need to win games, we need to avoid this pairing. 4-4-2 with Carroll and Bellamy was working, but Bellamy cannot play many games. 4-4-2 with Suarez and Bellamy up front (the two bad asses) would be Suarez and Maxi left might be better.

Sometimes I think our problem scoring is we have too many attacking options! We have missed, Gerrard being out for so long, Lucas being injured has meant that Gerrard has had to focus on defensive duties (because Hendo and Adam can't do that yet) and also the Suarez ban, means we have not got this or these combinations sorted out yet.

Finally, we need to tell Fergie to P1ssoff and keep Suarez at the club for as long as possible.
RedAce.


Agree with that, we should play Suarez off Carroll, but not in a 4-4-2. Our defence has been perfect this season and we have been able to stoke city it at times whilst still being able to go up the other end. The only issue with that is when Downing and Kuyt play on the wings, we have no one who can actually run at a fast pace with the ball. Everytime them come across a defender, they turn back. That was what made Glen Johnson destroy them on that side, his ability to get past a player.

As for this whole handshake thing, it's not even about Suarez and Evra now, all the comments are more like LFC v MUFC. The handshake should never of happened and arguably neither player wanted to shake hands and they both seemed reluctant. Evra only reacted because he saw the opportunity to keep situation going, because it isn't affecting him. (He also needs something to divert the attention away from him as he has shown countless times what a shocking LB he is now)


You say you were never undone by United...what about the 2 goals, Scholes' header, Wellbeck when put thru' by Giggs, Rooney getting into the box and toe poking it wide, also Rooney smashing it into the top corner but the ref stopped play for no reason other than a great challenge (by Evans I think it was)...i could go on

3 or 4 nil would have been a fairer reflection if you ask me

Gav


Both goals Gav, came from a defensive error and a corner, not from the tappy passing game. All united's threat came on the break. The tippy tappy served to run down the clock and stop Liverpool from playing football. In the last two recent games, Liverpool's attitude was - you can have the ball there lads in deep midfield, go play with yourselves (as usual), whenever you engage the defense we get the ball back and break.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:08:38
Morning all, have never bet before so a bit of a beginner. i was wondering how i could check online the odds of suarez leaving liverpool in the summer or if anybody knows? just assuming as an ED is saying he will probably be sold..

Cheers

Chris1977 YNWA


Just go in to the bookies and ask them mate its the best way iv never made a bet online so im not right up on it but i know if you go in the store they,l help you why dont you try a treble on kuyt maxi and saurez leaving that will boost your odds a bit personally i hope saurez does,nt leave id be gutted to see him go but it has gone a bit far but im sure if enough hard work is put in he can be redeemed i just hope this is the case he is too good a player to be loosing but who would blame him if he wanted to leave he,s going to be under intense scrutiny for the rest of his time in england
giblet


Maybe John Henry can get apiece of that action. With the winnings he could find a couple of decent replacements.


Go online to betfred "evra to leave Man Utd before Suarez leaves Liverpool". I have made my fortune betting and would recommend that if they offer between 4/1 and 6/1 bite their hand off have £5.000 on to win between £20,000 and £30,000
kidmillions


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:05:48
After looking at the hand shake incident a few times it appears to me Suarez actually had his hand out and just skipped by Evra because Evra pulled back his hand when Suarez came up to him! Dubred


Spot on was even briefly mentioned on match of the day.
kidmillions


At long last someone was watching the same match as me, i totally agree. Evra knew what he was doing cause he was at OT. If it was at Anfield it would never had happened.


I thought that from one angle it looks like evra dropped his hand but from above it doesnt look so much that way it looks as if evra wasn,t sure then decided to do it but saurez felt like he,d been snubbed hence the reaction all in all it only means iv got too much time on my hands to be studying this sort of thing lol


Exactly - can't see why EVERYONE can't see this.
The disagree can only be from non-LFC supporters.
Fergie should be told to wind his neck in too.
Did anyone else notice how badly he was slurring words and how purple his nose now is.
Pre-match whiskey or 3 methinks :-)


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:04:52
Eds.. I feel that Suarez would need to make a big public apology for his actions to stay at the club or at least explain his reasons for actions!
If he were to leave soldado is the only man to replace him- he's small and dynamic and in my opinion a better finisher, but do you feel this will effect our chances getting players of different race due to the way the club handles it!

Liverpool need to win trophys now to respond to evras playground antics at the final whistle!

Paul Belfast kopite


Suarez at Ajax and Uraguay has a prolific scoring record. I don't think he's fully adjusted yet and soon he we be scoring for fun.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:59:14
Well done to Evra, Ferdinand and Fergie for pulling of such a masterful stunt.
Evra lowers his hand and looks away from Suarez giving the impression he does not want to shake hands then in milliseconds reacts in a pre-meditated fashion by grabbing suarez's arm and looks into the camera
Ferdinand is already backing away as Suarez is approaching, he knew what Evra was going to do
It was made public that Suarez would have no issue with shaking evra's hand but evra manipulated the situation
Straight after Suarez expressed his disbelief to reina as to say "did you see that, can you believe it"
Evra runs past the pair pointing at Suarez and then rubbing his hands in delight and grinning to himself as if to say I got you mate and done you up like a kipper
Kenny like Suarez was caught totally off guard by the whole situation while Fergie and co lapped it up
If anyone wants to comment on this please have the decency to actually watch what really happens in those few seconds and not get caught up in the media hype that follows

Leam Red

The real disgrace to LFC was Stewart Downing


Are you serious?

CT13


Everything you say i agree with, disgusting football club and disgusting play actors, congratulations to evra and co. your time will come. RedTurk


100% agree


Absolutely spot on, Suarez tweeted "things are not what they seem". A body language expert would have a field day with evra.
kidmillions


Of course he's serious CT 13 and i agree with Leam Red all the way. These footballers of today do the acting game spot on and evra knew being at old toilet would take the heat off him and it was a planned set up.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 11:00:47
I think people need to remember that evra played a big part yesterday.

That man is Fecking poison simple as that.

So what if a man refuses to shake your hand , you don't have to act like a little kid and make sure everyone knows about it.

LAVERS


So what if Evra played his part, we can not control him, but we can control Suarez,. Its simple really, the whole thing has been a PR nightmare from the moment it started.

What should have happened is an apology for a misunderstanding by LFC immediatley after the whole thing started. Everyone would have moved on and not much more would have been said. No 8 game ban, no missed hand shake, no kenny dalglish making us look worse in his interviews.

They seriously need to sort their PR team out!


I don't think you understand, no one at Liverpool likes the media. Why would you? Of course he will defend his players, he is responsible for them, Dalglish will speak what is on his mind and if a reporter asking him a question he doesn't like he will tell them to f*** off. The only thing he cares about is LFC and that is what you should care about too.


Or possibly Suarez should have lied from day one and said he never said anything. No case to answer no eveidence no ban.
Suarez would know he was lying but if he knew then what he knows now? Do you think he would of been better lying?
I think probably. He would definitely not be in all this s**t. Would get more respect! as we are a Nation of Liars see politicians and journalists we don't mind liars. Suarez on the other hand is from a different culture and told the Truth!!
kidmillions


How can you say so what if evra played his part, Thats a major contribution in all this lad. Open your eyes and see evra clearly doesn't have wings on his shoulders !


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:51:32
and the award for the best actor goes to >>>drum roll>>> Mr Patrice Evra


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:49:33
If suarez were to say 'thats it, ive had enough of this country im off!', who realistically could we buy or who realistically would want to join? Would one time potential players now see this as a imploding club rooted with racial ideals? Who would want to join? Instead of a class a player would it now be a class b or c player that liverpool would only be able to attract?


Sooooo many teams would want him.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:44:14
Nice to see Jamie Redknapp on Sky stick up for us shame the same couldn't be said for Alan Hansen on Match of the Day. If the report said Luis Suarez was not a racist then why do reporters keep referring to him as one.
KernowRed


Redknapp acted like a t*t as he always does. He's a terrible pundit!


Jamie Redknapp talks through his arse and hasn't a clue. We all know the reason he got that job.

Alan Hansen was spot on.

Look at yourselves, sort the problem and it will go away.

Stop thinking the world is against you.

Leadership is the key and it has been piss poor over this while incident.


Shame people don't sign their posts.
KernowRed


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:41:12
As a fan i use to cringe at Rafa's press conferences but Kenny's are embarrasing. The fact LFC TV have also run highlights of his numerous press conferences is appalling.

Hopefully Kenny has now seen the incident and will come out and make an apology.


Apology for what continually sticking up for the club, Do me a favour lad do one.


An apology for releasing a statement that Suarez will shake hands which turned out to be untrue. Either Suarez has made a mug of him or he has done so himself...


No I think he should appologise for lying about not seeing the handshake incident or for not paying attention seriously 70,000 peple saw it kenny did not all for sticking up for the boys but if kenny had substituted suarez straight after handshake he would have shown real class


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:37:58
The media have made this look so bad, the only bad thing on liverpools part was taking Suarez to the game, it just took the concentration away from the fixture.After that the handshake shouldn't have happend like it didn't at QPR it's like the media wanted there to be drama and controversy. To be honest I wouldn't shake someone's hand who I believed falsely accused me of something! Oh well we didn't deserve anything yesterday but not all bad still in the race for fourth.my opinion. YNWA

Square tomato


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:37:39
The FA Respect code of conduct
•Show respect to others involved in the game including match officials, opposition players, coaches, managers, officials and spectators
•Adhere to the laws and spirit of the game
•Promote Fair Play and high standards of behaviour
•Always respect the match official's decision
•Never enter the field of play without the referee's permission
•Never engage in public criticism of the match officials
•Never engage in, or tolerate, offensive, insulting or abusive language or behaviour

I'll bet you can highlight many instances were whiskey nose and his team have blatently ignored all the above and got away with it!! - don't believe any s**te that comes from that swamp people! -TMac


I'm an United fan and that made me smile.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:31:16
Suarez will not leave he did nothing wrong why spread lies eds? {Ed002's Note - What "lies" have I spread? Why don't you have the balls to sign your posts. Why do we even bother to put up with anonymous cretinous glifnards like you.}


Whoa...whats a gilfnard?

cozinoz


In denial about suarez leaving perhaps, i hope the situation can be resolved somehow as suarez is an amazing talent (and i also think he is innocent to an extent!) but i think the situation has gone too far now unfortunately! will be a shame to see him go but i reckon its gonna happen

scousedel


He did nothing wrong!!!

This is why people believe you are out of step with everybody else on this issue. Open your eyes, take away your Liverpool bias and you will see what has really happened.

Chip and shoulders spring to mind.


Got to agree wit you i think he,l go as much as i dont want him too i think its gone too far now and there,s a chance he could end up been the downfall of kenny as well i hope there is a way back as id hate to see saurez leave but im not sure how it could be done hopefullly we.l win 2 cups and finish fourth that would go a long way and a lot of good pr work although a lot is been made of this when wayne bridge didn't shake terry,s hand there wasn't alll this furore it would have been best if luis had just shook it i understand his reasons why but just for the sake it wouldn,t have hurt
jez


Agree with ^ post
Shanio1


Ed002 i have to say how dissapointed i am to read your posts on this site today.
How could you go on about suarez having to be sold .Why should he be sold because he didn`t want to shake the hand of the man who called him something that he is not?And kenny did not want to feed the sky media because he knows there at fault for this with the help of man utd run media .You and the other eds where the first ones to say everything should be kept in house.Did you see suarez celebrate after the fa cup win?That is the player you want at liverpool fc ,man utd where the disrespectful club there yesterday not us fighting in tunnel ,trying to rise liverpool players by jumping in front of them,making kk cut outs ,booing when suarez got the ball .He couldn`t even celebrate when he scored ?I for one will follow my team regardless of whatever or whoever runs them down because i know whos wrong and whos right .If any other team had carried on like man utd did yesterday they would be pulled for it ,It is them that should be hanging there head in shame not us .And to finish off i will sign my post for you.
Eam {Ed002's Note - I have not gone "on about Suarez having to be sold". Clearly you have not read the posts properly. And, as I explained, the situation the club finds itself in now is nothing to do with the actual events of yesterday but that events have led to the name of the club being dragged, rightly or wrongly, through the gutter again. That is the issue the owners are facing this morning and that is the situation they now need to recover from.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:25:02
When Chelsea were playing QPR the fa made it clear it would be no hand shakes because of the conflict between Terry and Ferdinand. Why didn't the FA do the same yesterday? They new is a conflict between Luis and Evra. Why didn't they stop it? To be fare if I was Luis I wouldn't shake Evra's hand after what happened.It was like he admitted that it was his fault. I do not think for one minute Luis is racist. Fergie and Man U are trying to destroy on of our best players.So Us LFC supporters should stay behind Luis and the team like Kenny does. {Ed002's Note - QPR requested the handshake be cancelled and Chelsea agreed - so the FA cancelled it. There was no such request from either club yesterday. It is nothing whatsoever to do with the FA.}


FA save Terry as he can play for England. but Suarez can't :) I saw few time end of the match Both manager don't shake hand. and few match that player didn't shake hand. but so far nothing been say about. what a big deal if one player not shake hand to other? if I personally don't like a person then I don't shake his hand.

Rock. {Ed002's Note - You really seem to be struggling to understand that the FA cancelled the process at the QPR game because they were asked to do so. No such request was made yesterday - it is nothing to do with John Terry and nothing to do with the FA.}


Fair answer edd but im interested in your opinion of whether terry should also quit playing in this country because he too is equally in the wrong with his racist remarks and he was caught on camera so he's not innocent {Ed002's Note - The charge against Terry is not about the actual words but the intent. To say is is guilty without having the evidence of defence is not democratic.}


Well said Ed002, it may not be a case of Suarez should be forced to quit playing in this country...more a case of Kenny, the Club, Suarez and his agent sorting out this mess that has dragged on way too long and deciding what is the best way forward for both club and player

Will be interesting to hear the sounds coming out of Anfield in the coming days/weeks...will they defend him yet again or at least show a little dignity this time

Gav


If he IS found guilty would his position at Chelsea become untenable or will it just be his England captaincy that comes under question.
Slimboy


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:22:03
If we win the League cup, I hope we just go all out attack for the rest of the season!

There are still plenty of points to play got and we still have Arsenal and Chelsea to play.

And as was seen yesterday, the teams around us will still drop points!

K.Bennett


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:21:38
Ed,

Don't you find it typically British (ie hypocritical) that a few months ago Blatter was villified and his resignation demanded in the media for suggesting that a simple handshake would make the racism ticket go away, yet here we are a day later after the OT game watching and listening to the vitriol because a player refused to shake another person's hand, based on the fact that he still believes himself to be innocent.

Here's the rub, and I'm afraid I'm going to upset a few (lots) of our support here, but Dalglish has to take the blame for this incident - why?

It's clear that Luis has 'taken one for the team' or the club, in not pursuing the appeal once the details came out. It's been abundantly clear since the decision that Dalglish has backed his player to the hilt ,by some of the comments he has come out with in the media. All very admirable and whatever your view of whether the decision was right or wrong, it doesn't really matter. Clearly KK has been fuming about the decision and lack of support to his player.

What did matter was how KK managed the situation. He must have know how Luis felt, must have known he wasn't going to shake hands with Evra and therefore has to take the repsonsibilities for what has happened.

He could and should have put him on the bench or left him out completely, thus diffusing any issue, whilst it was still this fresh in the mind and the circumstances, playing at OT etc. I just can't believe he left himself so wide open to the obvious situation as it was going to unfold.

Evra's behaviour at half time in the tunnel (according to SSN) and at the end is inexcusable, but guess what, pound to a pinch of, he gets away with that, whilst Luis and KK will be hauled over the coals for days and weeks to come.

If the owners were ever looking for a reason to move KK ( and I'm not suggesting they were) he's given them the golden egg. Luis's position in the PL is now untenable long term, so I can't see him staying beyond the summer and Liverpool's reputation as a caring sharing club is being dragged through the mud by hypocritcal media and football 'experts'.

All in all a pretty dark weekend for LFC

But still....YNWA


Well England is angry to Blatter . and his comment make F.A more angry. but I think F.A always been double standard. the apple Rooney's band get one match reduce. but when Balotelli want apple the warning is there that you can get an extra match band. I find it funny to accept. before a guy apple for the warning is there u may get an extra match band.

Rock.


I have to agree. Not that Suarez shouldn't have played, but that Dalglish should have known whether Suarez was going to shake Evras hand or not, and if he wasnt, to not start him. If Suarez misled Dalglish, then he should be out on his ear. Then again if Dalglish knew Suarez was going to snub Evra, and backed him to do so, then he should come out and say that.

neekcub


You never mentioned the result? we lost 2-1
Handshakes my arse! Grow a set a Balls!
If 2 players don't want to shake hands so What! Afraid there's a lot of people getting carried away by the media hype.
kidmillions


What a load of over reaction from you so called fans, as far as im concerned luis suarez done nothing wrong it was that big baby evra that needs sorting out. And you fans might aswell support slur alex, suarez is a great player and some people in this country just dont wsna see lfc with great players.RedTurk


I don't know what post kidmillions and RedTurk are responding to, but their replies suggest that they think that the post(s) before them

a) Do not consider Suarez to be a good player
b) Think Suarez should have shaken Evras hand.

I see no evidence for this.

neekcub


Rock I dont see what this debate has to do with apples? or any fruit for that matter

sorry, couldnt resist ; )

Gav


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:20:53
Lack of leadership at this club is reaching new levels of worry. On the field and off it this season, I have been very very disappointed.
What you need to be a good GENERAL is the ability to see ahead and judge the EFFECTS of your actions before they happen - better than anyone else.
This latest drama (Evra/Luis) need never have happened with sound leadership.
Many of our players would be achieving their real potential with sound leadership.
There would be clear signs of solid development in our play with sound leadership.
YOU KNOW WHERE I AM GOING WITH THIS.
This club I have supported for 50 years and always will.


Club need a English man who is a top class footballer or organizer in management. Man u have Gil in F.A so they are easy to deal with everything. Liverpool miss it so much.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:09:25
Micky Quinn on Talks**e this morning making himself look stupid.


He always does.

The man is a clown.


He is saying really stupid things, but he is been wound up by posh boy Chelsea supporter Mark Saggers, absolutely no lover of Liverpool FC.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:02:37
Absolutely shocking and disgraceful behaviour and should never be allowed to play for the club again.

Following the Chelsea game, Howard Webb has refused to make any comment only to say that he has had some great years at Man united and has always felt to be an integral member of the team, but if thats how Fergie now feels then maybe its time for him to move on.

He still believes his decision not to give United 4 penalties in one game was correct, but unfortunately is now feeling Fergies backlash

Tel 1949


 

 

12 Feb 2012 10:00:20
--------------------reina--------------------
johnson-----m.skrtel-----d.agger-----enrique
------------s.gerrard-lucas.leiva-------------
g.ramirez----------l.suarez----------l.podolski
------------------g.higuain------------------

jones-kelly-coates-adam-henderson-bellamy-carroll


Gerrard hasn't been great after injury except his wonderful performance against Newcastle and also I'd never want us to leave Shelvey in the reserves or sell him. he can be an asset and we've got tremendous youth prospects coming through. Kelly ahead of Johnson, any day for me. YNWA


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:59:55
EDs what your view on yesterday ? {Ed002's Note - The events themselves are completely irrelevant as far as I am concerned. The controversy occurred because of the stupidity of playing Suarez in this match. Liverpool’s one-time good name is again, rightly or wrongly, being dragged through the gutter. Suarez’ position remains pretty much untenable as far as I can see. Perhaps he is not the only one.}


I think Man utd have much better plan for the situation. and we miss it. you can put Suarez after 30 minute. as you know Suarez is unhappy with Evra and he may not shake hand with him.

Rock.


U see kenny still as manager next season ed? Or will he be leaving too? I have always supported suarez n will continue to do so, but its best for both parties if h moves on.
Indian Buzzer {Ed002's Note - He is making matters very difficult for the board and the owners. You can draw your own conclusions.}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:56:04
With respect to Lee's post earlier, I think what you are trying to get at there Lee is re-establishing the Liverpool way. I would fully endore your sentimet but where I differ - and no doubt I am going to get savaged for this - is in how we go about acheiving this. I made my determination about Suaraz the moment he was found guilty of racial abuse. I arguned long and hard with my fellow reds who said that this was only a storm in a tea cup, it would blow over etc. I believed then and I still believe that anybody found guilty of such an offence who offers no contrition what-so-ever is not only moraly wrong; but is staining the good name of LFC by extension. The way the club have handled this is nothing short of disasterous. One player has been aloowed to cause more damage to our club than a dozen United victories. I dont give a s**t who the player is, how good he is or how important he is to the team. He should be sold in the summer full stop - and in any case he has now made his position totally untenable, there is absolutely no going back for him; there is no hope of his image being rehabilitated. Every image of him in a Liverpool short endorses the idea that we are tollerant of racism. The 'Only racists walk alone' banner at anfied in the cup game is seen on television sets all over the world and after a while, you throw enough s**t around and it starts to stick. This is increasingly how we will be perceived. I now think the situation has become so bad that Dalglish should be quietly paid off in the summer. I will get slaughtered for saying that but I dont care becasue again, no one individual is bigger than the club, even a legend like the king. If we take the rose tinted glasses off, its clear that his judgement has been severly tested and he has been found wanting big time. I have sympathy for him because this situation was thrust at him and he has had to manage it and carry the entire reputation of the club on his shoulders while his superious remain bizzarely silent. So to sum up, I am saying the correct; and perhaps only way forward for Liverpool as a club to restablish its credibility is cut away the cancer and distance itself from Suraez and Kenny.


Totally disagree. I think the point is that if someone believes they are innocent and therefore wrongly found guilty of being racist, then they would have the hump and not shake the hand of the alleged 'victim'. What Liverpool perhaps should have done is not played suarez yesterday.

I think there is something bigger taking place in the background and this is being used as a smokescreen. An example is when the lfc fan was caught abusing that young crystal palace player, it was front page news for a week. However, when a Man Utd supporter was arrested for racial abuse to black players recently, there was only a tiny little column referring to it.

So before you start preaching, you need to start looking at the world in colour, not black and white!

Romeo Red


Im black, neither a liverpool or united fan and agree with romeo red.

I dont believe suarez is a racist, there's been no proof he was racist just one word against another....

The FA and media are so far up the backsides of United it was inevitable that they would both be backing united on this.

I have white friends who have been falsely accused of racisim in the past and have lost there jobs because of it, and are now struggling to find another job due to whats happened.

I dont blame him for not shaking evras hand, if he solitary believes he is innocent why shake hands with the person who has just wrecked your reputation.

Finally, during the handshake evra had his hand listed for EVERYBODY but as soon as suarez arrives its significantly lower.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:49:42
I have just seen the photo stills of the suarez, evra handshake that didnt happen in the sunday mirror. To me it looks like evra never wanted to shake because his hand is pulled low and to the left, which would make it impossible. He never even looked at suarez yet he had the balls to grab the arm, and twist it completely around by pointing and bitching to the waiting cameras. On evra celebrating in front of suarez, well what can you say, Stupid, idiotic, disgraceful. We all know he should get a fine or even a ban, giving the one game ban suarez got. But i can see the FA doing absolutely nothing against him and Man utd.
I nearly didn't watch my beloved liverpool because i just knew there would be controversey and a very poisnous attmosphere.
Last point pre game handshakes are absolutely pointless, there is no need. Players will always try to win and in some cases batter the opponents. But you shake hands after the game, we should go back to the days of leaving it all on the pitch.
Twitter is the worse idea for footballers ever, what should be left on the pitch, comes out in the public domain, and becomes an inflammatory situation.
Take rooney on last monday wrote about suarez should of been sent off for the accidental kick on dawson. Yes it was a yellow he was trying to score, rooney would of done the samething, the ball was dropping from height. You aren't going to see dawson if you are both looking up at the dropping ball.
Id love to know what you all think.
Cheers Si


It does look as if suarezs hand is there and evra doesn't make his hand available. But when evra does raise it Suarez blanks him. He's a great player but comes with too much baggage and he is just a liability. He should leave and take downing with him


Parker not Dawson


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:36:57
fregy say Liverpool should sale Suarez, and then he add Suarez should never play for Liverpool again. Why ? just he don't shake hand ? ask F. A to band him for 15 match then he will not play this year. if Hand Shake too important then why Hand Shake been drop from few match? Evra make a good trap at the match celebration on Suarez. But Suarez did well keep his calm .


R-R


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:33:17
Utd fan here,not here to wind you lot up but surely its not difficult to understand that if suarez,even if he didnt want to,should have shaken evras hand,all hes done now is let this drag on and on when a simple handshake would have finished it,even kenny said before the game he wanted to see a handshake to put an end to it and suarez went against it,the lad only has himself to blame for the carry on,surely you lot can see this

phil


If it was Ronney would you feel the same?


Phil, your wasting your time, they will never see it.

Give it up mate return to the united page and leave them with their Suarez love in.


Sorry Phil, watch the footage again, Evra lowered his hand when Suarez came to him, Suarez hand stayed the same level till the end. The big thing for me was that Evra looked to the bench and tv as if this was staged. Did AF sell Karate Kid Cantona or Rio Pill Popper Ferdinand or say they were a disgrace to their club and they shuldnt play them again? double standards!
theJazz


When rooney was rumoured to be wanting out of your club a year or so back utd fans were slagging him, waving banners calling him names and as soon as he declares love for your lot and he's infact staying he's the best thing since sliced bread and the hero once again !
Dont come on here having a pop and telling liverpool fans whats ' right and wrong ' when you lot have acted in pathetic ways many times in the past over your players you bunch of hypocrites ! One more thing as well united fan you lot might choose to conveniently forget any wrong doings of players or fans from your club but us liverpool fans and fans in general NEVER forget your past.


What if you had been falsely branded a racist at work phil? you would have your name publicly trashed all over the local media, fired from your job and more than likely lose your home and everything youve worked for...

if you saw the so called victim and your old boss in the street and they said 'hey no hard feelings' would you shake there hands?

thought not


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:15:17
I make no excuse for being fiercely loyal to Liverpool FC, Kenny Dalglish and our Players.
The media made an instant judgement on events prior to the kick-off yesterday and normally (actually every time) they will not retract statements, opinions or alter their initial their reporting of events.
If people have taken a long hard look at all the pre-match replays they will see that Luis Suarez's open hand is extended towards both officials and players as he moves along the line. The only deviation was when he reached down to shake the hand of the Man Utd mascot, his hand immediately returning to the level position, ready for anyone wishing to do so to shake.Patrice Evra's hand, by this time had dropped well below the level he had been holding it to shake the hands of other Liverpool team members. In effect, Evra was withdrawing his hand from the line taken by Suarez and once the players had missed the chance to connect he reacted by reaching up to grab Suarez's arm in a mock display of indignation, at the same time looking straight into the Sky camera and mouthing something. A deliberate and pre-meditated ploy to create tension at the start of the match and instigated by Evra - he knew exactly what he was doing. Ferdinand later stated that he saw what had happened and decided not to shake Suarez's hand - please do us a favour - he surely doesn't think that quickly!
Manchester United Players allegedly cause disruption in the tunnel both at half-time and full-time and need to be restrained by Police and Stewards.
Sir Alex Ferguson comes on International TV after the game and deliberately slanders Luis Suarez to the whole world and undermines our own Manager and Owners by making disgraceful comments. I have never heard of any other manager in the history of the game making such inflammatory comments about another team's player.
Does anyone expect any Manchester United players or management to receive any kind of sanction for their disgraceful behaviour or comments?
Neither do I.
Midsred


Top post i like you having watched it numerous times agree totally.Suarez's hand does not deviate but Evra drops his hand. i thought i was the only one that thought that. Evra is a disgrace as he immediately gestured to the cameras and has deliberately added fuel to a fire and his celebration at the end "could of caused a riot".i wont even comment on what fergie said only to say shut the h**k up and concentrate on your club.

bigg


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:14:56
Surez is a disgrace he should leave our club with immediate effect an Kenny should not defend him for not shaking hands he brought a lot of shame to our club


' OUR ' club haha dont make me laugh manc your not clever enough to work that one on us liverpool fans ok sucker !


Ops sorry

KK


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:06:36
Best moment of the match today.
Suarez tackle on Ferdinand and Evra

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkQ9TzgCHBI


 

 

12 Feb 2012 09:04:27
ok forget about weather they were experienced in the prem or internationals, forget price tags and potential lets just be honest about are summer deals.

DONI...has not and wont play this year and will be gone next summer.

COATES..looked nervous in games i have seen him in but maybe he might grow into a cb over next couple of years not the answer now.

ENRIQUE..has looked a good buy but im hopeing its not just for this season.

HENDERSON..sorry but looks completely out of his depth and shelvey i think is better option.

ADAM....i still like him he has a great pass on him but its either spot on or miles wide needs to be consistent

DOWNING..shows me nothing in games and most of the time like henderson might as well not be there

add to that carragher,kuyt and carroll none are performing this year and stevie g still trying to find top form and the biggest loss of all lucas to injury

adam morgan,jon jo shelvey conner coady ,martin kelly and raheem sterling all need to start getting in the squad

................................REINA............................
..............KELLY..........AGGER.......SKRTEL..........
.....JOHNSON........................................ENRIQUE
...................SHELVEY...GERRARD.....ADAM....................................................................................
.....................SUAREZ...........BELLAMY..........................


 

 

12 Feb 2012 08:49:45
The way the media have portrayed Suarez and Liverpool is quite embarrasing to there profession. Nobody knows who refused to shake each others hand and all it was evra and united playing to sky and the cameras, nobody will know other than them two and anyway there is no written rule to shake each others hand.

I think that sky really need to hang there heads in shame and the papers. I am sure if we are dancing around wembley with a cup that they will bring this up again as the media have it in for our football club.

Its because we are getting under peoples skin that they have a go at us. So lets just have a siege mentality and look after our great football club as i know king kenny will.

Mighty reds


Nice conspiracy theory, what a joke your are just like your clubs support of Suarez. It is indefensable, but keep on living in your fantasy world, we are used to it as every summer you lot dream of challeneging for the title! How are you getting under peoples skin, you are no threat in the league to anyone, and as for europe, only on your holidays.

Fans like you make Liverpool proud!


Great shout Mighty reds ignore the muppet and remember this you can always tell a manc but not much !


 

 

12 Feb 2012 08:42:08
Spearing, Kuuyt, Downing, Carroll and G.Johnson are repeatedly proving, game after game, that they are NOT good enough !!
SPEARING........if hard work alone was enough to win things he'd be a Barca target. But he lacks quality, can't pass the football and, as I've always said, is just "Danny Murphy Lite".
KUUYT.....Shocking level of footballing "quality".
Works hard but, admit it, how often do you just know that the attack will break down when he gets the ball?
DOWNING.........??
CARROLL.........His price-tag and style of football are doing nothing but hinder us at the moment.
GLEN JOHNSON.........Paid too much on the basis of a good season at Pompey and he's continued to under-perform ever since. If he was to be fined a week's wages for every defensive mistake to have cost us points he'd be out of pocket!
These are players Kenny is placing his faith in every week.
Every supporter knows, deep down, it's not working. The League is the acid-test, not the Carling Cup (easy run versus Exeter, Brighton and excellent v Chelsea and Citeh) or the FA Cup (outplayed first-half v Oldham and raised it v Man.u.)
Kenny's blind faith in certain players and his tactical naivety at times are costing us dearly. January was an opportunity to right some wrongs but wasn't taken.
I'm sick of forking out my hard-earned cash to watch us struggle to threaten the opposition keeper.......seriously, we are absolutely impotent up front. When Craig Bellamy (all due respect) is your most potent attacker then you are in trouble!
Yesterday we should have started with Bellamy and Suarez.....Suarez is NOT a lone striker!
Spearing should never have played. I've been banging on for ages on here about our need for a top-class defensive-midfielder as a priority. Jay Spearing is NOT Didi Hamann (FFS he's not even Lucas Leiva!)
Kenny Dalglish's hero-status is being eroded by a combination of a poisonous Manc-centric media egged on by the Taggart PR circus, his own mis-guided faith in sh!t players and the sulky, lazy attitude of too many of his playing staff.
Whisky-nose, Ratboy Neville, Gordon Knob-Jockey Taylor, Sly Sports and The Mirror are all feigning outrage but loving every second of our current plight. In fact, they're milking it for all it's worth.....forget global economic strife, natural disasters and un-justified warfare. Luis Suarez not shaking Evra's hand, predictable as it was, is being reported as the biggest outrage in sporting history.
Kenny's time is probably running out......just think about the impact on sponsorship and global-image from an American owner's viewpoint!......not to mention the dire home-form and wasted millions. Why didn't we spend a dime in January?...Simple, they didn't offer him any!
Goodbye Kenny.........and, believe me, as someone who's watched every minute of your time at Anfield, I hope you walk away with dignity, a couple more medals and a Champions League spot and b****cks to the lot of them.
ANFIELDPETE


 

 

12 Feb 2012 07:21:54
Spearing is utter crap


 

 

12 Feb 2012 06:55:14
Poor on two fronts from kenny, tactically and morally. Also poor from suarez, bigger picture needed on this occasion. I know how he feels. I wouldn't shake the hand of someone i disliked, and i reckon he really dislikes him. They have made our club look foolish, when were getting enough carp as it is.

Muzmacol YNWA


 

 

12 Feb 2012 06:35:16
Shocking, disgraceful, pathetic, spoiling the good name of Liverpool, sell him. (talking about Glen Johnsons failure to pick up Rooney for the opening goal)

Hugh Pugh.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 04:56:40
Why We play Gerrard so Withdrawn, Let him play in hole behind striker as Attacking Mid or RM

Spearing/ Adam/ Henderson 2 ofthese 3 can play Holding and Deep Playmaker role.

In most cases Bellamy shud start on left..Just play first 55-60 M , get replaced by Maxi / Downing..

if we have Gerrard as RM, get Suarez to play behind carrol / Kuyt..

If Gerrard in AM, get Suarez uptop with maybe Maxi/ Kuyt/Downing on RM ... ?

Surely we cant have our most creative player in our own half for 80 mins of games..


 

 

12 Feb 2012 03:45:45
Lots of interesting chatter - Yes we loss today and much will be made of the handshake - but whatever happened in the tunnel totally deflated the Liverpool players and they did not get going at the start of the 2nd half.


Interesting point.

It was two of our less experienced players (Henderson and Spearing) who made the mistakes that led to their goals, also.

The whole Suarez-Evra thing is becoming a massive distraction. We need to regroup quickly or our season will be over.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 02:57:14
Just a bit of fun here.

Just wanted to ask you guys where you think we would be if:

a) we still had Roy in charge [also, who you think he would have signed - be realistic]

b) had Lucas Leiva in the squad the whole season

c) Never sold Torres and never bought Carroll

d) Was in Europe

e) Got knocked out of both the FA Cup and League Cup in the first rounds

Also, who would you have back from all the legends - make sure you have seen them play too. For example, you can't say Kenny Dalglish if you haven't seen him play growing up.

Thanks lads

BTheKingB


We would be where west brom are now

As well as Lucas has been for us he is not a match winner, Our roblem is lack of goals!

Torres would still be moping around winging, Carroll would have scored against us from 30 yards

We would have been struggling in the European competitions this term.

I would have Barnes and Robbie Fowler back


Shut up about torres he didnt want to play for us and im glad hes gone and suffering


What is the point in this question?


If we never sold Torres and never bought Carroll we would have 6 less goals than we do now

cozinoz


 

 

12 Feb 2012 01:55:20
So much to say from today's game, sorry if boring readers! I've seen posts backing Enriques performance...I'm sorry he was awful! But he got slaughtered last time out by valencia and so after a week out and given Kellys form..it would have been astute to have played Johnson at left back? As for Downing... I love Kenny but 20mill...really or Juan Mata at 15... Sorry but you don't need hindsight to work that out. That said I do believe downing is Kennys only bad signing. Carroll will become the best number 9 around, Henderson will be brilliant in a year or two and I believe Charlie has a lot to offer and was the one player who showed real commitment when he came on today! Stevie has been amazing for our club but was being asked to perform a role that he can't do today... It goes against his natural instincts, which he should listen to...love him as I do he's no defensive midfielder and he's too good to do that job anyway.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 01:30:51
Firstly Id like to say what a fantastic site this is. Posted a few times but have yet to congratulate the eds on what a great job they do, I'm sure all LFC fans are agreed on that. Ok today's performance...first time in my life I've been really pissed off with Kenny (I love the bloke!) but 1. You have to play your form players... Carroll, Bellamy. 2 in a big game don't play the boys who have been struggling...Downing. 3 attack a teams weakness-midfield scholes & carrick, slow as a tractor so put them on the back foot; Evans (not good enough) Ferdinand (struggling to get back to what he was). Great going forward though... So hit them 2 up front, play Adam and try and control the midfield! But know leave all form players on the bench, sit back and let them do what their good at?! Am I on my own here? Eds would like to hear your thoughts? Cheers. Greaty


 

 

12 Feb 2012 01:21:51
This needs to be said now. As a Liverpool fan I am not racist, I don't believe my club is racist, I don't believe Suarez is racist and I don't believe Kenny is racist. However I am disgusted with the way football has developed an in built hatred in the current game. Songs being sung disrespecting the dead is the lowest of the low. Be it about Heysel, Hillsborough, Munich or any other team, we as fans need to stop it now or risk losing the beautiful game forever. As Liverpool fans we should take the moral high ground and stop it first. The best songs you hear sung on the Kop our about our own players and our own team, not what we sing about the Opposition. Let's be the first club that gets back to having a drink and a laugh the the opposition before and after a match and by doing that become the best supporters in the world once again. I don't give a damn what goes on at other grounds, let's just get it right at Anfield and get it right when we go to away games. It may be too late to change everyone's way of supporting their team, but let's not lower ourselves to their standards. We are LFC, we are the GREATEST FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE WORLD!! Let's start acting like it again. YNWA

Please post in rumours, I believe this needs to be said.

Lee


I agree completly. I believe in Suarez, I believe in Kenny, but more than this I believe in LFC and its fans. Together we can show the world what it is to be a true support not just of your team but of the game. We have to, before we lose it to those who have no regard for the game that I fell in love with.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:57:04
The next game is the most important one .

Get over it & look forward .

Qwerty


So u dont want the club to be in the champions league? Bit rich of us to laugh at arsenal n chelsea when we r sitting in 7th place after spending over 100 million, isnt it?
Indian Buzzer


Been having to do that a lot this season. How about the players pull finger out, Kenny takes the brakes off, decides on a std team/formation and tactics and we start having a go at teams. All this 'pass and move' talk and creating so many chances blah blah blah. We are not good to watch. Fact.


More negative tripe from Indian Buzzer - where were your posts when we beat the manc teams? Only whinge when we're losing.

cozinoz


I don't even understand what IndianBuzzer is saying !

Qwerty


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:50:42
Man United v.s Liverpool Review


Reina - Could do nothing about either goal. Made an intinctive stop from a Scholes header and held a Wellbeck shot - didn't have much more to do than that truth be told.

Johnson - His first foray into Uniteds half almost resulted in a goal but he was fairly limited after that in terms of his attacking. Defended stoutly.

Agger - Had a solid game, make a couple of vital interventions at times and didn't really do much wrong.

Skrtel - Similar to Agger, had a solid game, made some important interceptions/tackles and was also protective of Suarez.

Enrique - Had a difficult task today and his options going forward were very limited however defended very well against a menacing Valencia, big improvement on the last few games (defensively at least).

Spearing - Looked out of his depth, failed to boss the midfield or make his mark on the game and was clearly at fault for the second goal. Not sure if, long term, he is good enough for us. Works hard but offers little else.

Gerrard - Played deep for almost the entire game, tried to control midfield but was let down by his midfield partners. Very subdued game from him.

Henderson - Failed to seize control of the game and make an impact in midfield. For large parts of the game he was simply anonymous. His flicked header from the corner took the ball away from Gerrard's head and gave Rooney the most comfortable of finishes.

Downing - Diabolically bad. Did absolutely nothing through-out the game. If anyone can remember a cross or shot or significant impact he made on the game (besides being yellow carded) please let me know. Is getting worse and worse and, sadly, his heart just isn't in it. Even his work rate was an embarrassment today.

Kuyt - Worked tirelessly but again lacked the real quality we required. His inability to control the ball or play a one touch pass can be a killer sometimes.

Suarez - Showed glimpses of his quality today with some quick, quality 1 touch passes but ultimately was starved of possession for much of the game. Got a goal 10 minutes from time then headed over near the end (although he was offside). Might have dropped a clanger by not shaking Evra's hand as the press will make the most of it.

Bellamy - Ran around a lot an looked more threatening than Downing with the limited time he had. However, was playing far too deep when we adopted a 4-4-2 so his impact proved minimal.

Carroll - Did nothing special to be fair. Held the ball up a couple of times, tried to make play flow but was starved of service and support all the time he was on the pitch.

Adam - Got stuck in immediately and played in a useful free kick that lead to the goal. Didn't really have enough time to impact the game.

Dalglish - I thought playing Suarez as a lone striker was a mistake. We lacked ambition and idea's going forward and seemed to suffer badly for it when we were chasing the game. Apart from the goal, an early Glen Johnson chance and a late Suarez header over the bar I can think of no other clear cut opportunity we created. Our midfield was not strong enough to hold it's own (Henderson, Spearing) and ultimately the pair were responsible for the goals we conceded. Dalglish was far from happy during the post match interview and I suspect privately he will be seething at Suarez. Think our tactics were too conservative when at 0-0 and not ambitious enough when we were 2-1 down.

Summary - A weak performance and, as painful as it is to admit, United deservedly won the game. I'm sure the newspapers will talk of nothing but Suarez's handshake refusal so expect our club to be tarnished until the end of the season at the earliest. We're 4 points off 4th place at the minute and really need to put a run of results together. Have not been consistent at all this season, now would be a good time to address that problem. Downing gets a special mention here for being the most disappointing, lazy, uninterested player I have seen for a very long time - unbelievably in the biggest fixture in the calendar. If this continues we should sell him at the end of the season.


SMc


What happened to the pass and move. No one was making themselves available or giving any options or off the ball runs.. a very poor team performance esp by spearing (not good enough), downing (even worse) and Kuyt (too slow and no vision)... At this rate forget champions league, forget even 5th place. We'll do well to come 6th. Why why why did we not strengthen up front in Jan, just need a bit of pace....?


Cant help but noticed tat our tempo is super low。we passed and moved up too slowly and was pressed hard by the opponent easily. Not too sure is it a supposed tactics or juz plainly too many players are unfit or worse, uninterested.

San


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:31:11
Just thought i'd pipe up now i've let the result settle in and all the comotion that went along with today's match.
Firstly i'd like to start by saying Suarez maybe should of shaken Evra's hand but then you can understand why he didn't do it so let's leave that at that. What Evra did at the end is worse and that should really be given the publicity Suarez will no doubt suffer with the media.
Secondly, we didn't play very well today at all. Something was missing and at times it was hard to see us waste possession which we're normally so good at. But although we played bad, the commitment is there and we are doing better than before. We just need to start finishing the chances we usually create. But it was also great to see luis on the scoresheet!
Now we've got two big cup games coming up to look forward to, so lets cheer on the lads for these! We as fans will not let our great club's reputation be disgraced. WE ARE LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB!
and as for those calling for kenny's head, doesn't it just show the emotion he feels for the club and his players with his interviews? i'd rather have someone who loves the club than roy hodgson!
Dale B


Roy continues to be the fall guy. We had him for what, 6 months? If all a manager has to do is be better than Roy, than expectations are pretty limited.


"What Evra did at the end is worse"!! You really are deluded! Suarez is an unsportsmanlike muppet. You lot and your mid-table club are a laughing stock.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:30:45
All is not lost. Newcastle and chelsea both lost. We are still in for 4th. Downing really need to do wat he supposed to do i.e. put in a gd cross for carroll to score!

YNWA
San


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:27:32
Do not worry about the handshake incident, most people (not us) will be fooled by the media that it was all Suarez fault, but if they actually took time to watch the footage properly they will see Luis shake hands with the ref and 'linesmen', keep his hand up for Evra, who clearly lowers his, then shakes hands with all Utd players except Mr 'Squeaky Clean probably next England captain' who also refused. All this means is that 'they' obviously are better at PR.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:26:45
Come on boys, after a week in which we should have been thoroughly unsettled we came out with a performance of total football the likes of which you would love to see at Anfield, we are better than you the moment but thats no shame, when it comes to exciting , one touch football we are the top boys at the moment, or am I wrong? no shame in admitting you're not the best when its true. Spur67


Hello Spurwhatever your sign on is.

I know you've just came on for a reaction but I'll try and give a reasonably balanced view

On the whole, Yes you are playing good football but I wouldn't crow too loudly, you seem to imply that we saw that type of football at Anfield on Monday, and lets be honest we really didn't. You came and defended for 80 mins ( i'll give you guys 10min of attack). Now your defence was good but lets not beat around the bush, your attacking threat was practically nil.

You also have some very good players but some who are not as good as you think they are. Modric is good... indeed I'd say class but Bale. I believe there are two Bale's. One that when he turns up is nigh on unplayable, but (and I would say the more common )bale runs alot but offers little threat. Is it worth having a player who is at his best only 40% of the time.. maybe yes, maybe no (I'll admit I'd have him playing more than not as even during a bad game he can preoccupy the other teams players thus creating space for the others). Please don't mistake this as bitterness from me, as I don't believe any player in general has a better ratio of good to bad games of about 60:40% (even the very best).

Do you deserve to be where your are in the league? On the whole I'd say yes, do we deserve to be where we are? Kind of ( you can say this next bit is bias but...), our defensive record says no... we should be higher, our pocession and shots on target says no... we should be higher. Our finshing.. yes we're where we should be. Can we polish this up... yes, and incrediably so.

One final thing I'd say is... how long has the spurs project been in place? This isn't a dig but a general point... you've had a good couple of years investment from your owner (and fair play to you) we have just this season began the road from the most disacterous period of ownership for any 'big club'. Look at how long it took you guys to get to this place, look at how long it took Man City to get to where they are with even heavier investment. Did you really, or any logical football fan, believe that liverpool would be challenging for the title this year? I certainly didn't. I still hope we can get fourth (results today in gerneral went our way despite our loss). I think your too far ahead to be caught for third, but if we do (get 4th) thats not a bad achievement for a club who just over 16 months ago was invovled in a bitter struggle and threatened with possible adminstration.

So short answer.. yeah your playing good football right now, but its taken you years to get ahead and with the right ownership now for LFc (hopefully) I don't believe you'll be there too long.

Long answer .. as above!!

Question for you... Harry... is he gonna take the managers job or not? Personally I think he's on a hiding to nothing there. If he takes it, unless Engurland win at Brazil (or at least get to the final(i think even the press will admit euro too close to have a major impact)) he'll be lambasted about it and he'll just be another failed England manager, wheras if he refuses he'll be the man who let england down, and refused to answer his country's call. Just wanted your take on it? (i support N.ireland as I grew up there so it doesn't really matter to me at all). Also Just wanted to ask if he does take it who would you want as your next manager?

I know you where probabbly just trolling, but there, my 2 cents worth (actually more like my £2.57 worth). Wondering will you answer... i.e. do you wanna talk football or talk sh....?

Cheers
JJ

(PS if there any really weird spelling please forgive me as my computer keeps doing silly thing (cusor jumping all over the message( oh and I'm not the best speller anyways))


We will finish 6th as we are the 6th best team in the league.


Good answer jj, although the point about investment is a bit wide of the mark. Our biggest signing of the last 2 years has been VDV at 8m which is chickenfeed. As for Liverpools aspirations this season am afraid some of your fellow supporters have made a rod for your back. The way they were going on you'd think that now KD was back you werent only going to win the treble but the Eurovision song contest and the Nobel peace prize as well!


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:26:44
Did no one see evra pull his hand away first and the way he acted at the end


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:21:36
A question for the Eds...why is it that the QPR/Chelsea pre-match handshake did not happen yet the liverpool/utd handshake went ahead?

Very odd and very suspicious.

I have to say I cannot see how Suarez can be allowed to continue at this club especially if reports are true that he has gone against direct orders to shake Evras hand.

He has been a problem since he arrived and was a problem at Ajax too...he is the sort of person that cannot be controlled nor influenced and this makes me nervous.

He is a brilliant footballer, world class, but he is a walking PR disaster and similar to Ballotelli in that he requires extra special attention to keep him in check.

If Kenny doesnt achieve 4th this season and the performances of his signings dont improve i.e Downing, Henderson and Carroll, then he will be under severe pressure especially with managers like Benitez and Mourinho on the market.

People say Kenny needs time but what is gonna change so drastically next season with him in charge?

He has not demonstrated he can spend wisely, he has not demonstrated he can get the best out of his players, he has not demonstrated he is tactically adept on a consistent basis, he has not demonstrated he is able to deal with high pressure situations as shown in his recent press conferences and interviews and he has not demonstrated that he can handle or control his big time players i.e suarez.

Mourinho is the only man that could handle the media, handle the players and handle things on the pitch and handle them properly.

Despite what anybodys personal grievances are with the man he is by far the best manager on the planet ...the only manager to win league titles in what will probably be 4 countries, incredible.

Kenny cannot handle the pressure. He has shown this in all his previous managerial roles, he buckles when the going gets tough. He is cracking, you can see it in his recent interviews, he's slowly losing his grip on things.

Mourinho is the only way forward...with him in charge it will gurantee top 4 every single year.

Leo


{Ed002's Note - Leo a request was made to the FA by QPR that the handshake be cancelled and Chelsea said they had no objection. It is not odd or suspicious. No such request was made by either club yesterday. What seems surprising to me is that when I said earlier in the week that Suarez should not play as there would undoubtedly be repercussions, you said it was "the most stupid post you have ever read on this site". Still a glifnard and still an embarrassment.}


Ed why do you always have to be so argumentative? You always start throwing insults at me and then when I retaliate you dont like it and ban me from the site.

Im not going to get into endless squabbles with you anymore...okay i was wrong, im an "embarassment", all hail ed002.

In hindsight maybe suarez shouldnt have played but there was no chance of him ever not starting, i think that was more my initial point.

Listen you know what you get from me, I shoot from the mouth and sometimes what comes out is incredibly stupid and knee jerk or wonderfully insightful, theres no need to keep throwing insults.

I have stopped and apologised to you the other night so draw a line under things and move forward or just ask me not to post anymore and I'll retire from the site peacefully.

Leo



With our lack of firepower we cannot afford to drop our top striker at the most difficult ground in england. Kenny was never going to not play him and for you to think was my exact words. Stop trying to twist everything I say.

I believe Suarez should have played {Ed002's Note - I rather doubt that I would be so argumentative Leo if you were not so abusive to me earlier in the week. The past two weeks have seen one nonsense post after another from you on subjects you have little or no grasp of. You make rash generalisations but it seems the great thinker is also capable of jumping to conclusions without seeing any evidence. You then make accusations that I have written the most “stupid post ever” about Suarez. You are indeed a glifnard and an embarrassment - you would be astonished about the number of posts from your fellow fans that need to be deleted anytime any of your posts appear. I told you to take all of your drivel to the conspiracy pages where people may want to hear your ideas about the Princess of Wales, about Kennedy and about the FA colluding with John Terry – but the Liverpool “transfer” and “banter” pages are not the places to vent your “the world is against me, the end is nigh” garbage.}


And I dont know why people are disagreeing with my post.

Suarez was wrong, Kenny Dalglish is having a hard time and Mourinho is a world class manager who could turn things around...what is there to disagree with?

People need to start thinking with their head and not their heart.

Leo


Wow i've really hit a nerve with you havent I? I apologised and you would think that would be the end of it but you have got some deep seated issues with me dont you?

Darling it is okay. I am used to riling people up the wrong way...I am dramatic by nature and love nothing more that to affect the psyche of my fellow human beings.

I have gotten to you so bad and you hate me with an utter passion. Listen I have a degree, 4 A-levels, 12 GCSE's and spend many hours enriching my mind and acquiring knowledge so you can call me all the names under the sun but you and i both know that I am not an person nor a gliftard (sp) nor an embarassment.

I have challenged your thought processess and I believe deep down somewhwere in your subconscious you do actually make sense of a lot of what I say but just cannot bring yourself to open your narrow little mind enough to absorb and digest what I have to say.

If you truly believed I was full of s**t you wouldnt give me the time of day, its text book psychology babe.

It is sad that you are allowing yourself to be so endlessly consumed by me and need to resort to juvenile name calling to express yourself, its quite pathetic.

I am sorry I make you feel so inferior, I have that effect on people. I am bold and challenge and question absolutely everything, thats what makes me the success I am today. I can admit when I am wrong and I am allowed to change my mind, I am human and I am allowed to be flexible. I am not an alien and do make mistakes.

I have come across people like you many times in my life. You spend your whole life surrounded by people that are of less intelligence than you are and who are impressed by you. You start to believe you are more clever than anyone else until one day you meet your match who relentlessly belittles you and mocks you and it makes you furious inside.

I have proved you wrong on so many occassions and you do not like it. You never seem to post my comments when I disprove your modes of thought e.g "a legal team is a solicitor" ...funny how you never posted my comments blowing that ridiculus statement out the water.

You are a little child and need to learn how to manage your temperament. Calling me names might impress the idiots on this site but it only makes you look like a silly petulant little girl.

I always find it intriguing that actually, apart from my post last night, most of what I say is agreed upon by the masses on this site.

I am not a conspiracy theorist at all. I only deal with facts and ask questions when things do not make sense. The world is not against me and I am not a victim. Im sure you can tell by now that i am an arrogant, confident, self assured young man and do not need conspiracy theories to make me feel better about myself.

I am fearless and want to make change in the world. I have the ability to provoke feelings in other people whether its rage, hate or frustration and that is a novel skill I will use to my advantage one day and make a positive change on the planet.

Good luck in all your future endeavors child. If I could pass on some advice to you it would be this: try not to be so aggressive all the time. You will get more reaction and respect out of people if you take a deep breath, gather your thoughts and then say what you have to say in timely, adult fashion.


Leo xxx {Ed001's Note - if only you were half as smart as you think you are, then you wouldn't have bored me to tears with your nonsense drivel. I am embarrassed for you lad, nothing worse than someone who believes they are intelligent but clearly are of no more than average intelligence. They just end up making themselves look ridiculous.}


I disagree Leo: Suarez was not wrong, Kenny Dalglish is doing fine and Mourinho is a media wh*re who needs multi-millions to make a successful team.

cozinoz


Ed001 this aint got nothin to do with you...its for Ed002. She constantly abuses me and insults me on this site and its not on.

Leo {Ed001's Note - it has everything to do with me, go elsewhere. You have only got what you deserved for being a nasty and abusive little knob. If you treat people better at the start, you wouldn't get insulted back.}


Ed001 shut up. If you look through the posts and go right back to the beginning you will see that Ed002 has always instigated abuse. I am not the first person to complain about abuse from Ed002 so why dont you pull your finger out and do something about it.

Yes I am a mouthy piece of s**t but only due to Ed002's constant name calling and abuse.

With all the recent publicity regarding internet abuse if I was to make a formal complaint you guys would be shut down.

It is a serious matter and if you look at all my posts you will see a pattern of me asking ed002 not to be so abusive.

When I lose my rag and give a bit of it back you wanna ban me and tell me I am nasty little knob?

I will be making a formal complaint.

Leo {Ed002's (in collusion with The FA) Note - Oh Leo you really don't know when to stop do you - you can't just say "shut up" to Ed001 without hurting his or her feelings. Now you are threaten having the site "shut down", oh dear. You had promised you would never post again earlier in the week - and regardless of the protection I have offered you from your fellow fans ridiculing everything you have said, you still keep coming back for more. Please leave us all alone and take up my offer of posting your poppycock on the conspiracy pages. As an aside, am I the only friend you have?}


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:20:17
Not written on this blog for ages but have a series of thoughts I wanted to share with the editors and bloggers.

Putting aside all of the Suarez and Evra banter when I look at the league table and see that Norwich are 4 points behind us this is a significant point. 

Realistically its unlikely that Norwich will keep this up. But the table doesn't lie, despite spending £100 million on transfers and having two players in our side in Suarez and Gerrard who would rank in the top 50 players in the world.

It's hugely frustrating to see the team in this position. Sorry guys but despite some good cup runs the league is the bread and butter. How can we be happy with ours points total and league position currently. 

A lot of fans will argue that we are 4 points from 4th but unless we improve massively and start winning at home we will not finish 4th and could finish this season 30+points behind the top place team.  

I was looking at some stats and Liverpool have never finished top four with the volume of home draws we have achieved so far. Therefore we are looking at a miracle and breaking history to achieve this objective.

I sat down and watched the game with two neutrals (CFC fan and Gooner) and they both said that our team lacks pace and intensity in midfield and we look too predictable and slow. Unfortunately I agree with them. The other key point is that Gerrard is a good player but seems to have lost that yard of pace and spark.

Maybe time for some of us fans to realise that Gerrard may need to remodel his game and will not be the marauding attacking midfielder from 18 months ago he will need to become a more deep lying midfielder.

On a deeper level if we are some 30-35 points of first spot, I think that unless we put together a good league run like last season Kenny could be vulnerable. 

Americans are ruthless and want to be winners and I believe Kenny may have to win the FA cup to ensure he is 100% safe. 

I think this summer is going to be a very interesting one with possibly the biggest number of changes in managers across the top 6. I could see up-to 3 of the top six managers moving on this year.

Shepherds Bush Red


Our league form is indefensible. To be 4 points ahead of a team that just got promoted is shocking.

If things don't improve then changes are surely inevitable at the end of the season.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:08:00
we defo got stiched. Main headline suarez refuses to shake hands with evra. Am i missing something, weres the headline can someone tell me please. Oh i get it Murdoch empire diverting attention as usual. People should see who the real criminals are instead of smokesceens.


 

 

12 Feb 2012 00:04:46
Gerting tired of all this luiz stuff now. The whole build up was about them shakin hand and it was said in the media that they would shake and move on weather it was made up by the media or not I don't know but in the best interest of the club I beli e that he should of shook his hand and draw a line under it but that's football now we will fighting off all the flack all out for that supposed hand shake sir Alex clearly has the medias hand and does and says what he likes and gets what ever he want he really does make me so mad how he can say what ever he likes and come out smelling of roses at the end he in a small way fuelled this with his pre match comments did any one see rio refuse to shake his hand ?? Please can we move on now and look forward to the FA cup and carling cup final get back to what Liverpool do best ..... Do our talking on the pitch YNWA


Loz9064


The problem is we are not doing our talking on the pitch at all. Did you see the performance?

If things do not improve soon, a lot of people will need to be shipped out.


 

 

11 Feb 2012 23:55:30
Now I really hope no one calls me a fake LFC fan but you need to hear me out. I think at the end of this season Kenny has to resign! I love him and all the great stuff he's done for us but he is ruining his image for standing up for Suarez. Now I agree with Kenny for everything he's done including the Suarez t-shirts but we are fight a losing battle and it's ruining kenny's reputation. Just a little thought what do you think? And my god how brutal was downing today I can't even defend him anymore!


I would fight for justice over a million years rather than a year of success!

peter


It's becoming increasingly obvious Suarez is more of a distraction than an asset.

It may be best for all parties to part ways in May.


 

 

11 Feb 2012 23:45:50
Reading all the posts tonight about Suarez I have to say in my opinion Kenny should have kept him on the bench for the full game .Also the players must have been consulted before the game about the handshake and I can only assume Kenny thought there would have been a handshake by not doing so suarez only prolonged a saga that LFC would have liked seen put to bed and caused the name of Liverpool football club to be dragged into the headlines again for non footballing reasons, I know I will get a lot of stick for saying this but in the cold light of day please consider we have given the Mancs the moral high ground and done nothing for the name of LFC ,and as we have all said before no man is bigger than the club so Suarez has now got to start repaying the blind faith put in him or move on


 

 

 
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