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12 Aug 2015 23:43:24
What happened to the 2 young South Americans who came for a trial?thank you!
13 Aug 2015 06:27:10
Trails are offered all the time for young players. I don't know what happened to them, but it is likely that they will be still on trial and maybe signed up or may come back for a further trial to be signed up when they turn 18.
12 Aug 2015 23:34:01
There seems to be a trend associated with Lucas, Borini and Enrique and that's none of them want to leave the club.
I for one think this reflects nicely on the club, but in contrast is also a hinderence to the ideas of management.
I've always rated Lucas, and I want him to stay, and I defended Borini when everyone suggested he should have never of turned down the offer from Sunderland, as he was perfectly entitled to do so as he was contracted.
But.
. loyalty can only go so far, and although we as fans should be flattered by the willingness of players to stay at the club and the City, we must (regardless of opinion) respect the wishes of the hierarchy, albeit in a stomach churning way.
I can't defend the club 100% on their actions, but I suppose it's a case of being cruel to be kind, and I hope the players see it that way.
13 Aug 2015 06:22:32
I once faced a similar thing at work.
We needed to cut costs but there was no natural turnover as we were paying way above market rates. People just couldn't make it he same salary elsewhere.
I've no idea whether that's the case at the club. But I do suppose that going elsewhere would mean a pay cut for some of those on your list.
13 Aug 2015 06:35:28
I think if the management made it very clear that they don't have any future at LFC, the players will have little choice but to leave. But under Rodgers, I have no idea if this has been the case, but in the past he has been accused of screwing with players this way: telling them he wants them to stay and then not giving a shabbite about them.
In Borini and Enrique's case, they should be intelligent enough, or at least their agents should be, to know they have no chance of playing for LFC. I remember Waro saying Borini demanded obscene wages from one of QPR or Sunderland last summer, and then turned down the moves, and it is commendable if he wants to stay on fight for his place, but by now, he surely knows he is not needed? If he still wants to stay, then he is misusing his career IMO.
Enrique's is even worse. He had injuries in the past two years, but has been fit for more time than not. It has been very clear for a while that he has no future at LFC, but seemingly he is happy to just sit around and not play, while picking up wages and being active in social media. He has said in a recent interview that he ahd an option to go back to Spain this summer, but turned it down to "fight for his place at LFC", and that he considers moving to clubs like West Brom a step-down. He also mentioned that only Barcelona and Real Madrid can pay wages teams like Liverpool can pay in Spain and made it very clear he is staying for his wages; probably because he is not bright. I think he needs to wake up.
13 Aug 2015 06:41:20
Borini loved his 50k/week too much. Ha ha
{Ed001's Note - he got offered more by both Sunderland and QPR and rejected the moves.}
13 Aug 2015 06:48:02
Doubt it has anything to do with loyalty or niceness to be fair, more that they want to stay on the gravy train
13 Aug 2015 07:43:27
I can't imagine anyone would pay anything other than a nominal sum for Enrique- he's older, on decent wages, has hardly played, and is in the last year of his contract. He himself stated no one in Spain aside from Barcelona or Real could pay him what he's on now. Given that, why would he leave? Borini is similar, but younger and needs to keep more of an eye on his future earning potential.
The base problem as I see it is the wages are so overinflated in the PL, it's going to be very hard for all clubs to shift players that aren't wanted by the likes of PSG, Bayern, Real, or Barcelona back to the continent.
13 Aug 2015 08:44:02
RDL, exactly. But shouldn't these players be prioritizing their career over money? If Enrique took a wage cut, and got of his high horse, he could have moved to Spain or another club in England.
Wages in the PL are definitely making it difficult to move on players when they are not needed, and similarly, modest transfer fees are a concern for Italian clubs to buy players.
13 Aug 2015 09:13:31
Dzeko and Jovetic took a wage cut to join Italian clubs.
Its a straight case of Karma. How the club treated them, they are paying it back. Running down the contract. Borini is young and could find a club next year without any major issues. Enrique isn't interested in football and Balotelli Proves you shouldn't take gambles in life.
13 Aug 2015 10:35:19
"Balotelli Proves you shouldn't take gambles in life".
Wow that's a very sad statement. I hope you change your mind one day for your sake.
13 Aug 2015 13:44:10
I've got to disagree Wiwar.
12 Aug 2015 23:24:12
Been told by a wise old red that Ibe will be benched this coming Monday and Firmino will be starting. Could well be pure speculation, however he did speak in a "matter of fact" manner. Nothing too exciting but thought i would pop it on here as i rarely post at all.
Have a great evening all!
13 Aug 2015 06:36:55
I think it would be disappointing to drop Ibe so soon. He will get chances of course, but at home against Burnley, it could be an ideal platform for the young man to show what he is all about.
What did Lallana do that he is kept over Ibe for Firmino?
13 Aug 2015 07:48:55
We need to protect Ibe and not thrash him too much too soon.
He's got a long career ahead of him.
13 Aug 2015 08:58:06
The real ag, we have Bournemouth Monday not Burnley!
13 Aug 2015 09:16:11
The problem is Milner again. With him in the midfield you will have to drop Ibe and Milner wouldn't offer as much as Ibe for the team in general. Ibe will provide width and I wwould love pace on either flanks with Firmino and Ibe constantly taking on full backs with Our Full backs overlapping. Countinho would get acres of spaces in the middle to penetrate.
Milner will force one major player on to bench and unfortunately its Ibe.
13 Aug 2015 09:16:55
Burnley at home in the league? You're living in the past. A true red lol
I can say that as I'm one too :)
13 Aug 2015 10:11:09
If it is one in one out then surely it should be Lallana dropped as for me IBE was among our best performers. I don't believe IBE needs to be rested Ron when he hasn't played in over a week. Hopefully we will see can start in a 433 or a diamond as we were much more effective when he came on and players should ultimately be picked on performance.
13 Aug 2015 10:37:13
" Milner wouldn't offer as much as Ibe for the team in general."
Another beauty, lol. Can't agree with that.
13 Aug 2015 11:14:57
As I said a few weeks back I think it best at the moment yo have ibe on the bench as with 10 men behind the ball he struggles. Nothing against him he will learn to be more clever in tighter games over time. But the double upside is if you bring on ibe after an hour or so against tired legs he could have a field day doing what he does best with his direct attacking play. Realistically if he does start games he will most likely be taken off first just seems to be the thing to do with young players so I would rather him get 30-40 minutes making a proper impact than 60 odd minutes struggling to really get into the game.
Give him bit of time pick and choose his games carefully get him a few goals/assists off the bench. Personally this is how I would handle it anyway
13 Aug 2015 11:47:07
Apologies. My bad folks, we have Bournemouth on Monday.
13 Aug 2015 12:02:53
Ron
Care to explain what would Milner provide and Ibe wouldn't if your system wants natural width?
Over the next 5 games you would slowly understand Milner ain't doing anything significant other than pressing.
Apart from being called a hard worker, hasn't don't a lot at city. couldn't replace Yaya when he was hopeless in that midfield. Always a Substitude through out.
The best bet of our midfield trio should be Lucas/Can-Hendo/Milner-Countinho/Lallana, with two natural wide players wither side of a striker.
13 Aug 2015 16:00:13
There are a grand total of maybe 5 players in world football that could replace Yaya Toure. Don't get me wrong, I think Can should play almost every game in defensive midfield but Milner is a great player. Ibe shouldn't automatically start and there will be games he comes off the bench to change games. I actually like the thought of Milner on the right for certain games as we will need his defensive qualities to lock down good wide midfielders. Our best bet is the central 3 who finished the game at Stoke with Benteke, Ibe and Firmino from the start. Lallana I definitely rate but was just ok against Stoke. With the depth we have, you play who is in form.
13 Aug 2015 16:54:44
Amerigo
Ibe ll never reach his potential if he isn't given a full 90mts. He is ready for it and I can't see him due other players.
14 Aug 2015 04:38:13
Yaya, Silva, Aguero, are great players. Milner couldn't get a game ahead of any of these if he played in their positions so again Americo, how is he a great player? Only to the deluded is a back up player a great player just because said player plays for the deluded's club. Milner was never needed especially on the crazy wages who offers next to nothing in terms of skill, quality and goals. So Americo, how's Milner a great player?
12 Aug 2015 23:04:12
It seems Bikini's at it again with his wage demands.
13 Aug 2015 07:49:04
Bikini? who the hell is that?
13 Aug 2015 09:04:21
Ozone, how about you read what Ed001 has said over and over again that Borini rejected more money for a move to Sunderland and QPR? Or does that not fit with your delusional opinion of the lad?
13 Aug 2015 09:17:40
Bikini? Another Italian striker we want to demoralise?
13 Aug 2015 09:25:45
T.cotton why don't you do a search on what Waro has said about Bikini. He sums it up nicely.
13 Aug 2015 09:30:50
T.cotton
That was an year ago when he thought he would prove at Liverpool. The scenario is different now. He hasn't kicked a ball in an year and if anything else its only money. He will have to start it all over again.
Fiorentina, Lazio, West Ham, Sunderland all are pretty decent opportunities to play football.
He is delude if he thinks Real and Barca would be coming for him. He has every right to screw Liverpool management and he is doing it fine.
13 Aug 2015 09:34:58
Lols. Borini has always been a toy for Waro and Ozone.
13 Aug 2015 10:40:10
It's not his fault the club offered him that wage.
He always gives 100% on the pitch and I'd imagine the same is true in training.
I don't understand this constant abuse and undermining of the players and manager. Kids go round calling people names, is that the mental age on the forum now?
13 Aug 2015 10:45:38
It's unbelievable ozone isn't it? He's seeing out his contract so he can milk as much money out of his next move as possible and most posters on here commend his attitude, just goes to show, " you can fool most of the people most of the time ", gullible isn't in it😕.
I said it at the time of the Sunderland bid, he should have been told he's not got a future at the club, and that if he doesn't move he will train with the kids, similar to what's happening with balotelli, but Rodgers is that arrogant, he welcomed him on the tour of America were he got injured, Rodgers wanting to be proved right about Borini hoping he would play his way into the first team shows how egotistical and arrogant he is and has ultimately cost us upwards of £20 million to satisfy his ego, yet one more reason to add to the looonnnggggg list of reasons why he should have been sacked in the summer. Which also shows the same quality's of these owners in an identical scenario regarding the manager, they bought his BS and continue to back him so they can hope to be proved right, when they should have said, we've been had off by this shyster, sack him and let's learn from this mistake, but NO, just like the manager there ARROGANCE and wanting to be right at ALL times is limitless.
13 Aug 2015 13:49:06
I would sooner see Borini seeing out his contract compared to never ever playing to his contract like his Italian team mate.
Anyway, Borini is getting slated for being a far better player than Mario and actually trying to play the game.
Blinkered some people.
12 Aug 2015 20:10:45
Question for Ed001 if you have time mate.
The end of season review aimed at addressing some of the problems within the club must have had some focus on the management. I for one did not think rogers could keep his job. However, it's not my money and I don't make decisions but surely FSG must have identified his short comings. I understand he is young and will make mistakes and that he was their choice long term. What I really would like to know is has he been given a minimum performance remit or face the welly?
{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told the minimum is top 4 at the end of the season.}
12 Aug 2015 20:52:48
Wasn't that the minimum last year too Ed and a trophy?
12 Aug 2015 22:34:27
Yes, but this time they mean it Goatherder.
12 Aug 2015 22:41:19
Actually the minimum last year was a real title challenge with the money spent
12 Aug 2015 23:07:22
So the expectations are getting less and less with more money spent hahaha
13 Aug 2015 09:23:10
If it's a target at by the end of the season (of course it would be) that suggests he is in the job for the full campaign. We could do poorly in the first three months which many suggest is the cut off point for Rodgers. But if we pick up points which could still keep us in reach and those tough away games are gone, well then that would be enough to stay on.
Maybe if by April we are well out of it then Rodgers will be sacked with O'Drisscoll caretaker until the end of May.
Crystal ball cloudy after that, but looks like a great run of results and O'Drisscoll stays as cheap option or its a press campaign for Klopp.
13 Aug 2015 11:18:39
He did say the minimum I'm sure if we only scraped 4th and were knocked out early in cups especially europa then they would have to take a hard look at the situation.
I would say the only way he guarantees his job is top 3 staying in touch with the title race getting to at least the quarters in the europa and maybe doing well in one of the domestic cups possibly a win.
Just because its the minimum they expect doesn't mean achieving it he is automatically safe
13 Aug 2015 11:44:14
If top 4 is our owners aim, presumably for Champions League qualification, then our second priority (arguably the first, given our efforts last year) should be the Europa League, for several reasons.
Winning gives access to the Champions League. Another English team winning it would mean top three place would be needed. If an English team won the Champions league then failed to qualify for top four place, you're down to two places. Unlikely I know, but not impossible.
If you add it's less than half the games of the Premier, then it becomes more of a possibility. We should use the other two cups to 'blood' players and rotate, not the Europa League.
12 Aug 2015 18:03:29
Any truth we have interest in Lazio's Diao?
12 Aug 2015 19:40:30
I've still not recovered from the last Diao
12 Aug 2015 14:48:11
Hi all, long time reader first time poster. Big thanks to the Eds for all their hard work and great sense of humour. Just thought I'd ask a question to get you thinking about the positives.
Which Liverpool player at this moment in time deserves a song from the Kop?
If you already have one you have made yourself throw it up as well :)
Cheers
12 Aug 2015 15:40:53
Coutinho
12 Aug 2015 15:58:12
Countinho deserves and probably our next main Man.
12 Aug 2015 16:35:12
Countinho already has a song
it was sung at full voice after his goal on Sunday, until after full time
12 Aug 2015 17:53:42
None of them there all shite.
Rodgers out!!!
12 Aug 2015 18:08:07
Coutinho already has a great song! he's had it since 2013/14 season too!
12 Aug 2015 19:52:59
Henderson!
12 Aug 2015 20:39:58
I thought Benteke should have a song to the tune of Run DMC's "It's tricky"
We bought him from the villains
Thirty-two and a half millions
But then we realized his talent does not have a ceiling
He jumps over defenders
and scores a fair few winners
He orders Belgian waffles
but he eats your team for dinner!
He kicks it every time
Over (the line), Big Ben (on time) BENTEKE
BENTEKE
(Benteke) teke (Teke) teke (repeat)
He's taken a few knocks
But don't ask how much he costs
'Cause when he's free inside the box
He scores, like it or not
We brought him down the Mersey
and gave him the red jersey
Now he plays for us, and you can trust the opposition's cursing!
He kicks it every time
Over (the line), Big Ben (on time) BENTEKE
BENTEKE
(Benteke) teke (Teke) teke (repeat)
12 Aug 2015 22:40:42
Henderson already has a song as well
13 Aug 2015 01:10:50
Hardly hear the hendo song at anfield though. What happened to singing to the Gk? Mignolet ole ole.
13 Aug 2015 10:09:38
I love that benteke song haha it's brilliant!!!
I thought about emre can. To the tune of the candy man can.
Who can make the mancs cry?
And the arsenal fans too.
Who can boss midfield and score a goal for you?
Emre Can, Emre Can can.
The second team can change for preference too :D
13 Aug 2015 10:28:01
Yeah I hope it gets sung more now he's captain, I think it's a beast of a song!
13 Aug 2015 11:40:38
Maybe something for Ibe based off good vibrations. Something like:
I loooove that red shirt you wear, and the way you skin defenders with your flair.
He's putting down the good Ibe-brations, banging goals and starting celebrations.
Could expand on it if wanted?
13 Aug 2015 18:47:20
Thanks ScouseBard!
Of course, I'm waiting for Dejan to score a winner so I can hear Anfield erupt with "you've got that Lovren feeling"
12 Aug 2015 14:40:53
I just heard that we are close to signing Cavani? Apparently he was seen in ablack suv with Ian Ayre and a man that closely resembled Suarez leading the way. But more importantly also in the back of the car were Eva Carneiro and Jurgen Klopp.Also Ibheard when one fan tried to click a photo he was gag tied by Ayre and delivered to Skrtels house. Skrtel is said to be practicing his wrestling on him. Any truth eds? Cavani Reus Lacazette Muller what a forward line.
12 Aug 2015 15:34:56
Your either in work bored or sun bathing bored. Either way you seem to be bored
12 Aug 2015 15:59:00
Reet
On another note konoplayanka scored yesterday and looked very good.
12 Aug 2015 16:02:18
Jordan Ibe - 'we've got that Ibe' to 'you've got that vibe'
12 Aug 2015 16:11:53
Abo
No I am stuck in Laws of motion numericals bored
12 Aug 2015 16:27:03
Reet
I have no idea what that is but it sounds boring
12 Aug 2015 19:17:04
I'll vouch for Reet. It is beyond boring.
13 Aug 2015 11:47:29
Can't wait to hear the Kop harmonies on 'we've got that Ibe'.
12 Aug 2015 14:31:46
Hello to all the EDS and fellow REDS
rumours and more rumours, can't wait for the window to close and football to start. Exhausted reading nonsense rumours, while wishful thinking about players.
One interesting item for me was a hint of a silly rumour involving Bolasie. Now, IMO, he would be an obvious replacement for Sterling. He's faster and more aggressive. I think he would be scary lining up alongside Benteke and Sturridge, as he is the ideal player for breaking out of defence. Only an opinion anyway. Comment would be welcome. We don't have real pace anymore, now Sterling's gone. why is it teams have too many players nowadays?
P.S. Haven't Stoke city done well. Shaquiri, Affelay and Bojan. Well done whoever's responsible for transfers.
12 Aug 2015 15:12:43
Pace isn't the best attribute of Sterling. There is a misconception among people regarding Sterling. He is not an Aaron Lennon. Firmino / Markovic are the ideal players to Sterling in the way they play.
What we miss would be the pace of a striker.
12 Aug 2015 15:30:13
Bolasie is a nice player but we don't need him as we have enough people to be rid of in Markovic (waste of money), Balotelii (Still scratching my head) and lots more dead wood etc. Plus we bought Firmino and we already have Ibe and Lallana plus Origi and Ings so it wound not be wise to blow more money and I've always said its better to use up the academy talents which we have instead of pointless squandering. BR needs a transfer whiz to help him as he is out of his depth we it comes to that aspect.
12 Aug 2015 15:37:30
What's the chance of getting a weekly post from you called 'The best of Harry' Ed001?
Could be just what this site needs to hit the mainstream!
{Ed001's Note - not sure 'the best' would apply as a term for his posts....}
12 Aug 2015 16:00:03
Melbourne
😄😄😄
12 Aug 2015 16:08:56
I dunno, I think he is an untapped gold mine. I only come on this page to scroll through looking for a reply from Ed002 or yourself, or posts from Harry.
I'm not sure how you'll take that.
{Ed001's Note - I think Harry just appeals to you as he is on your level. We already know you stalk me.....}
12 Aug 2015 16:11:14
Also, if you have a second Ed001, could you let me know how Van Ginkel looked against your lot. Didn't get a chance to see the game.
Cheers
{Ed001's Note - no one played well for either team mate. He showed some neat touches but it was not a game to judge anyone's performance to be honest. One of their better players though.}
12 Aug 2015 16:25:25
He is well above my level mate. My simple eyes tricked me into believing Sterlings great asset was his pace! And I only stalk you because Bond has taken the love of my first choice Editor
Cheers for that buddy
12 Aug 2015 17:50:29
Melbourne
Well that's what a lot believe. But that's just his one of his attributes and something all winger possess. He is a different player to Ibe and completely different player to an out and out winger. Pretty close to what Markovic played at Benfica.
12 Aug 2015 17:55:40
Bolasie is too hit and miss.
We don't need anymore players enough is enough.
12 Aug 2015 18:25:18
I'm having enough trouble keeping antibot in line Harry, so I'll just thank you for passing on your knowledge mate. Long may it continue
12 Aug 2015 23:32:06
Bolasie would be a great option. If only so he doesn't play against us!!! Rips us apart every time!!
12 Aug 2015 14:05:07
Lads (and ladies)
Can we please just get behind the team, i'm sick of people moaning after one game
Lets see how they perform before righting the team off before the season has properly got underway
10 games in if we are way off the pace i'd understand it, but not after one game when the team is still finding there feet and haven't got there sharpness yet
There is a lot to look forward to this season, coutinho and Firmino, better backroom staff that might get the defense organizing better etc.
Lets be optimistic. this season could turn out to be a surprise
12 Aug 2015 17:59:43
Jay
Until we beat so called top 4 team 10 - 0 majority won't be happy.
Away at stoke first game 1 - 0 is a good result to me. It's first game so performance is not something to go by.
If I remember correctly 2 seasons ago we beat stoke 1 - 0 played rubbish and begovic made a hash of sturridges long range shot , then mignolet saved a penalty at the death.
I think we nearly won the league that season. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
12 Aug 2015 19:52:41
We actually played well for 70 mins and should have been 3 up then last 20 mins were hanging on
12 Aug 2015 14:02:29
Virgil Van Djkk for £10m. Seems a good but to me especially given the fact Sakho will almost certainly go. What's your view ed?
{Ed001's Note - what for? How is he any better than Ilori? Why not just give him a chance?}
12 Aug 2015 15:14:12
I don't think llori would feature again. Just like Markovic I expect both to be off this summer or next.
12 Aug 2015 16:53:57
I agree with Ed on this.
And European glory has Ilori ever featured for us yet?
12 Aug 2015 17:51:49
Haych
No, Is that relevant?
12 Aug 2015 22:33:03
Yes it is, EG. How can you know if he's good enuff for us if he doesn't play for US?
12 Aug 2015 13:37:33
is there a reason why all of the LFC fans are turning on eachother? thought Liverpool Football Club is a family from owners to the fans we are all one? So come on boys and girls let's stay as the family.
I think we can be the surprise package this season, but Rodgers has to get it right and always pick the strongest 11 week in week out. personally think milner is not suited to partner hendo and push him into the right attacking mid with firmino and coutinho and benteke in front. what is everyones preffered formation and with who were?
12 Aug 2015 15:15:25
Milner joined Liverpool from city to play in the center of the midfield and as much as we are aware, he has been assured a role over there by our manager.
12 Aug 2015 22:33:55
To the detriment of lying to others. Great man management skills!
12 Aug 2015 22:35:32
If everyone gets a role that has been "guaranteed" a role we will have to field 15 players lol
12 Aug 2015 11:59:55
This is the brutally honest truth.
The problem with our club and its fans is we are very much the club of yesterday and not the club of tomorrow. Instead of talking about the titles we are going to win we talk about the titles we won all them years ago. Liverpool will always be in a 'transitional period' with this kind of mentality.
12 Aug 2015 12:47:22
What? Really. what?
12 Aug 2015 12:55:34
The problem with the club is they don't buy the best players. We had a gem in suarez and should of built on it then. He left us and we replaced him with balotelli and lambert. Now sterling has left us too. We are a buy to sell club under fsg. We atleast need to try at get the players. Atleast we went for sanchez. We need to sign winners. Not always prospects.
12 Aug 2015 13:04:40
Too much of a sweeping generalisation.
We're not all like that.
12 Aug 2015 13:07:19
Yeah but it's not the fans holding the club back. All the fans can do is take pride in the history of the club because recently we have slowly drifted away from the top. This doesn't mean that we can't get there, if any club outside of the top 4 is capable of winning the league it's us, in most cases just as much as the top 4, as we have just a good a chance of winning it than Utd and arsenal. Gary Nevilles article really pinpointed the obvious and put it in context, so if the club finally takes notice and we get lucky with the right set up, we will be successful again. The days of dynasties and long term success like the ones LFC and UTD have been able to enjoy are probably long gone in the EPL, with all the money and competition, but we will be up there. Do not blame the mentality of fans for why the club has been starved. It is the people within the club, and it always has.
12 Aug 2015 13:25:08
how can you say that.
The club is investing in the future with stadium expansion but it respects its past and just about everyone is glad that we are staying at Angield.
Every season we talk about winning the league and other silverware. That is after all the reason the club exists.
We are rightly proud of our history and any future successes will be enjoyed in the context of our history as the most successful club side this country has produced.
Our supporters are by and large the most knowledgeable and appreciative in the game though sometimes we do not show that here.
We are different to other clubs but our history is not some problem for us which stops us being successful. Our history is our strength because we can look to Shankly Paisley Dalglish Gerrard Fowler Rush and the rest and look for our next greats to come along.
One thing that we will never ever need at our club is plastic flags or media luvvies to whip up an atmosphere.
We are the best club in the country because of who we are and also where we are going. We have suffered dark days with Gillett and Hicks and we are still on the road to recovery but we will get there no matter how long it takes.
YNWA
12 Aug 2015 14:17:45
I agree with your views as Majority of the fans compare the situations with the 70's and 80's everytime. Our attitude is wrong. We are just used to this midtable and 4th place ever rolling trophy. 5 years ago we abused other clubs of buying the league. we have spend well above 300 mill in 3 years.
There is a generation coming up. slowly but suerly they would defenatly ask this question and we would have no answer to them.
12 Aug 2015 14:50:28
I respect our rich history and traditions as a great football club however, I don’t think we should use our history as a weapon or even a excuse for future & current failings. This isn’t aimed at all Liverpool fans just a large majority. We were the best club in the country, currently we are not the best club in the country by any means. I base this down to success, it’s the only barometer you can use to judge the best from the rest. For sure, in my mind we are the most special club in world football because in my heart I love Liverpool but we can't honestly sit here and say currently we are still the best club in England? Unfortunately people are over taking us, people are winning more than us and it seems, from the owners to the fans to the players who sign for the club all we talk about is the past. It gets my back up, its living in the real world of today and dreaming of tomorrow not dwelling in the past. Just because we are Liverpool we don't have the god given right to behave like idiots, I personally think there is too much pressure from the bitching whinning fans, fans that slated Milner and Co before they kicked a ball. Honestly, you can say it happens at every club but its increasingly worse with LFC fans and the bashing is doing nothing to help. i'm positive, i'm looking forward to our future and I believe we can return to the top one day but for now, I will continue to enjoy the season as I hope the rest of you do.
12 Aug 2015 14:56:29
The past serves as a legacy for the here and now and our future. They are not seperate things but also not linear either. For instance if we had handled sterling better in the past maybe he would have stayed and we could have brought in other talented players to support a title challenge etc. Legacy comes in various forms too, such as reputation or infrastructure etc the past and here and now are inseperable tbh.
Although like some i don't wallow in the past but i do lament decisions being made in the here and now which are quite frankly nonsensical. If decisions made in the recent past by insert name, organisation here were better we may have won the league since the inception of the premier league. So you can't blame some fans looking back to remember the good times considering the paucity of sucess we have had bar 10 years ago in istanbul.
12 Aug 2015 19:10:33
Anfield Apple makes a fair point. As a club we should be trying to win the next league title. Too often we use our history in debates. Its great to have off course but has no bearing on LFC in 2015. Maybe the pressure of all that history holds the club back a bit?
12 Aug 2015 20:36:48
I go back to two seasons ago when we nearly won the league.
That's nearly enough for me, but not quite historical.
Exciting though.
12 Aug 2015 11:58:43
A pretty disappointing night for our loanees last night in the league cup first round.
Lloyd Jones played the full 90 as Blackpool were comfortably beaten 3 nil by Northampton.
Swindon lost 2-1 as Williams, Stewart and Vigoroux all featured.
However ojo played the full 90 and provided an assist as wolves won 2-1 to advance to the next round
12 Aug 2015 11:56:51
I'm hoping for 2 strikers on the pitch on Monday. even a front 3. Ings, benteke and origi.
See how that goes for first half atleast.
Coutinho Henderson and ibe midfield.
12 Aug 2015 13:13:00
So no place for Can, who Most on here agree changed the game when he came on against Stoke.
12 Aug 2015 13:22:05
I agree with the 2 strikers bit. Benteke and Firmino up top. Coutinho at 10. Hendo and Milner in front of Can/Lucas. It won't happen but i think it is pretty balanced. You can then change up the front 3 with Sturidge when he gets back and Ibe and Markovic as options. Allen
and the 2 young lads whose names allude me, in for Milner and Hendo.
Maybe?
12 Aug 2015 22:35:45
Spot on, Andy K!
12 Aug 2015 11:45:39
Right, really looking forward to Monday. Looking to see a big improvement, dominate possession, have more of an attacking set up and get Benteke more involved in dangerous positions. Think this game will be a better barometer for where we are as a team than Stoke was.
I'd bring in Firmino for Ibe (love Ibe but I think he'd struggle to make an impact if Bournemouth sit back and stay compact), bring Moreno on for Gomez (lad needs a moral boost and should provide a better attacking threat down the left) and bring in Can for Lallana allowing Hendo and Milner to play further forward.
Lastly, although I'd be surprised if it happens, I'd give Sakho a start next to Lovren. Both left footed but I'm less and less convinced by Skrtel and this is, theoretically, one of the easier games of the season so no better time to experiment.
12 Aug 2015 11:58:35
I would agree to all of your changes other than Moreno. I like the look of Gomez and think he should be given a fair run.
Also, cannot see Sakho happening, I'd be tempted to go all out with experimentation and have Sakho and Ilori starting, with Skrtel on the bench if required.
Unfortunately, I don't think BR has that bravery and foresight.
12 Aug 2015 12:04:14
Pretty sure lovren is right footed
12 Aug 2015 12:11:29
Except Sakho rest would happen IMO.
12 Aug 2015 12:57:55
If he's right footed even better :)
12 Aug 2015 13:12:15
Why would you change the centreback partnership? We didn't concede over the weekend and on the whole we looked solid. Although Skrtel made one or two mistakes the partnership needs to be given further chances to gel. Sakho will have to earn his opportunity which I'm certain he will at some stage. The only change I would make is to bring in Can for Lallana. Can gives us a better balance in midfield.YNWA
{Ed001's Note - we did not look solid though, Stoke just looked appalling. They chipped through balls through that repeatedly left our centre halfs in a straight sprint, one on one for the ball, with Diouf. We are lucky it wasn't a decent striker, as he should have made a number of chances that way. We need to get more pace there to deal with that. Either that or get a sweeper keeper. The other solution is to play a deeper line and that forces the midfield to drop deeper, as we don't have a DM to plug the gap left.
Though I would not change a winning team either, and give them a chance to see if they can improve on the weaknesses shown at the weekend. All I am doing is explaining why I would personally understand if we changed the centre back partnership.}
12 Aug 2015 13:18:36
Lovren is right-footed, no way will he be dropped, or should he be dropped after what was one of his best performance for LFC. I wouldn't make too many changes to the team for Monday night, as disappointing as Lallana and Ibe were, I wouldn't drop them yet. Besides, Frimino will need more time to get used to the pace of the PL.
12 Aug 2015 13:42:49
Lovren is a definite leftie.
When he and Sakho played together it did look awkward. But I'd still prefer them as a combo than either of them with Skittles.
12 Aug 2015 14:18:58
Fencey
Lovren is left footed
12 Aug 2015 14:35:25
Ed001 if we need more pace at the back who do you suggest should play there out of what we have? Or do you mean we need to bring someone in?
{Ed001's Note - Sakho and Ilori both have pace.}
12 Aug 2015 16:01:09
Do you think Ilori will get a chance this season? Also do you think Gomez will be played at CB this season? He seems to have a bit of pace as well.
{Ed001's Note - no and no. Sadly.}
12 Aug 2015 16:42:58
Thanks Ed001 you make some very valid points. I guess I was happy we didn't concede and didn't really explore the bigger picture in depth. The centre backs were exposed on several occasions and on hindsight a better striker would probably beat our CB's, both of whom are quite slow. Ideally I would bring back Lucas to DM but it seems he's out of favour. Can could be a solution but it would take time to convert him into a DM, as he is more of a box to box midfielder (also still a little young and raw). A pacy centre back would help but it seems BR is set on our 4 centre backs for the season, none of whom are particularly pacey. Having said that Sakho should be in the team every week. Also worth pointing out that BR should have bought centre backs who can naturally play alongside one another other. Instead, what could be potentially our best partnership (Lovren/Sakho) cannot compliment one another in the eyes of BR. YNWA
{Ed001's Note - you are welcome mate. Let's hope you can continue to be happy throughout the season and the bigger picture never becomes an issue.}
12 Aug 2015 21:14:22
Lovren is right footed he just played on the left side.
12 Aug 2015 22:41:13
I've known Lovren since his days at Lyon and he is NOT left footed. He is a right footed CB who is very comfortable playing on the left because he is very comfortable using his left peg to the point that, it looks natural to him.
12 Aug 2015 10:31:00
Just a thought. If you were an ex top player now retired and sitting alone at night in front of the T.V. Would you be the more happier if you look back on your career and remember the many cups, titles that you had won or would the memory take you to one special occasion. One really big occasion, Istanbul maybe for those that were there playing. Myself, just as a supporter instantly remember Rome in 77 then Istanbul. I have seen us win a lot of trophies but there is always one that comes to mind first. Would a player look at it that way or would they simply look how much money they had left.
12 Aug 2015 11:10:33
I assume most players are the same as you, they'll remember those special days. If I was Aguero I'd be proud of my two league medals but I'd always remember 2012 over 2014 because of the way it was won. Similarly Gerrard will always come back to Istanbul as the defining moment of his career over his FA, League and UEFA Cup medals.
12 Aug 2015 11:12:14
Trophies and money. There is always hard work behind every trophy you win. It need not be Istanbul every time.
12 Aug 2015 12:02:43
I think you've missed Robbie's point, EG.
I would be amazed if every player didn't have that one special moment that stood out above the others, like muscat's point above.
I'm not sure there's many successful players (i.e. ones who have won trophies) who would look back especially at the money they've earned. I still think the majority (note, 'majority'!) of top players value trophies and titles over money, as long as they are not being ridiculously underpaid compared to their peers.
Same with most humans, you're going to remember the employee of the month award you picked up, or the big deal you closed, rather than the fact you earned £x that year. As long as you're not earning 50% less than your direct peers, of course!
12 Aug 2015 12:06:04
If you scored a goal that won it in the final game, like aguero, or won a cup final like gerrard versus West Ham, I'm sure they would be more special
12 Aug 2015 13:41:46
@ Muscat - good point. I remember Steven Gerard getting interviewed by a reporter after scoring a header last season. Yer man commented, "you're not renowned for scoring with your head. " To which Stevey replied, "did you not watch the champions league final mate!"
Another priceless one from the main man.
12 Aug 2015 14:23:19
It would defo guys, But every trohy won is the result of hard work unless you are not a regualr bench warmer.
Gerrard takes a lot of creidt for the istanbul. Hamann was the most important player in that final.
12 Aug 2015 15:33:11
No EG/Harry Gerrard was the most important person in that final, followed by Dudek, carragher then maybe Hamann.
I get what you're saying but instead of trying to be all cryptic and knowledgable how about just admit that Istanbul was Gerrards final!
And also you completely missed the point both times!!
12 Aug 2015 10:25:44
Im amazed by some of you who constantly have ago at the manager. No matter who we had in charge you would do the same. Get behind your team an manager.
12 Aug 2015 11:02:30
So we should have all got behind Hodgson, and stuck with him till the end of the season!?
12 Aug 2015 09:20:21
Bunch of drama queens . Moaning whining . Everyone fit there's actually a top match day squad . All you can ask for . Stick your pads back in . Could be top come mon night 😉
12 Aug 2015 10:17:57
Rogers needs tio win as this is a promoted side and if we are going 2 finish top 4 we need to stamp our authority
12 Aug 2015 11:14:55
Hope we don't struggle on Monday night last season our midfield got bossed by most teams in premier league, a good win will give us confidence against the arsenil if we struggle then arsenil will demolish us again
12 Aug 2015 13:28:09
Pommy, is your glass half full or half empty. Cheer up mate
12 Aug 2015 18:03:57
It's half full and half empty my friend,
12 Aug 2015 22:44:10
Prom my, it won't matter if we beat Bournmouth or not. If we don't play well in either games, we will struggle.
12 Aug 2015 08:10:03
Listen Eva, if Jose doesn't want you i'm sure Liverpool could make a place for you on our bench.
12 Aug 2015 08:33:18
Lol que the Rodgers out Eva in brigade
12 Aug 2015 09:41:24
Could be a ad thing. Nobody would want to leave the examimation room snd we'd have players feigning injuries on the pitch.
12 Aug 2015 10:12:48
reet with the money these players are earning, i'm sure they can get younger, and better looking girls. =P no disrespect to eva though
12 Aug 2015 10:18:52
i agree i would be visiting the medical room all the time with doctor like that
12 Aug 2015 11:35:23
To be honest, it's pretty pathetic from JM to make such statements. Was it actually that contributory to any of the issues the team had? What if one of his coaching team give the wrong info on the IPAD before a sub goes on? what if he makes a bad call on a substitution? will he send himself to the training ground?
If he carries on in this vein, he'll have no backroom staff left
Grow up Jose and accept that it wasn't deliberate. Otherwise you'll end up being hated more than you already are
12 Aug 2015 11:47:41
She is actually a very intelligent and effective sports doctor. I doubt mourinho is going to get rid of her.
12 Aug 2015 12:29:56
The demeaning way it has been carried out in the glare of the public though?
You don't see him treating his precious players in that way. Sure he may give them a blast behind closed doors, but he never berates them in public. and then demote them !
Wouldn't be surprised if she thinks her position untenable and moves to a club that treats all with respect, not just the multi million pound prima donnas.
I'd like to include our team there, but sadly we're worse than Chelsea.
12 Aug 2015 12:41:03
I do wonder what your wife's / girlfriend are like if you think Eva is worth mentioning. No disrespect to her as if give her one but I wouldn't be up shouting about it lol
12 Aug 2015 14:22:38
I remember him disrespecting an ambulance crew because they didn't get his player out of the ground quick enough.
You can't win with him, too slow, too quick, he should stick to being a manager and leave the professionals do their job.
12 Aug 2015 14:52:26
Thanks for that insight John Terry. oh, sorry OG.
Is the one in your trousers as big as the one on your head?
12 Aug 2015 18:34:31
Can't believe you called me John Terry, I'm in bits :/
12 Aug 2015 22:34:46
Post of the day surely for marshy there ;)
12 Aug 2015 06:35:49
The manager, coaches, transfer committee, player, players agents have all come under extereme scrutiny during the recent months. Words like charlatan, hoodwinker,
dissembler have been associated with the manager at every other post. Players have been branded as deadwoods, disloyal and greedy. Coaches have been labeled inept and
lackey. But it seems that the owners are exempt from this fiasco just because they bought the club at a difficult time.
The manager is denounced day in day out because he keeps on playing underperforming players, because he failed to sign top quality replacements when they were
available, because he alienates the players forcing them to leave the club but when the owners are doing the exact same thing as the manager no one bats an eye. Are
the owners not sticking with an underperforming manager? Did they not fail to replace rodgers when top pedigree managers like klopp or ancelotti were available. Are
they not alienating rodgers by sacking his assistant and coaches?
As Ed002 has suggested the club is losing massive amount of money and we will fail FFP if we keep spending recklessly but despite this the owners seem not bothered by
the way the manager keeps buying players and not playing them at all before shipping them out for penauts. There is news coming out every week that the club behaved
unprofessionally with a player, the club behaved unprofessionally with another club, other clubs are not willing to do deals with us any more etc. Why are these things
happening? Is this because the owners are sure to make a profit when they sell the club once the new tv deal comes in place next year and they don't care what happens
to the club after they leave? Why the manager gets blamed for everything while the owners have not done a single thing right (except may be expand the stadium) since
buying the club?
12 Aug 2015 06:43:38
Here we go again. The abuse parade on FSG comes back.
Y on earth would Carlo and Klopp join Liverpool FC?
Is it because the last successful appearance in CL were some 7 years back? Or the last league title happened some 25 years back?
12 Aug 2015 06:56:15
Most of the posters and his dog abused the manager for failing to sign top players like sachez and reus but hey only managers care about recent success right.
12 Aug 2015 14:55:34
I don't know what you've been reading, but the owners get plenty of stick here too.
12 Aug 2015 06:26:57
We are Liverpool tra la la la la - poetry in motion.
Liverpool fans love that. Love the fact that we are playing attacking, attractive football. Rogers is committed to that. We can't have it both ways. I genuinely like Lucas as a man and player, have supported him on here for years, but he SLOWS our attack down. On turnover possession the game stalls at his feet
He's simply a round peg in a square hole in Roger's style and system.
Good luck to him in the future. Wish him all the best.
{Ed001's Note - sorry Rodgers is committed to what? Have you watched us at all last season, or in this preseason or the first match? There is nothing attacking or attractive about us. Rodgers is committed to slow build ups and pass, pass, pass football. That is what he sees as the way to play the game, not all out attack.
As for Lucas slowing our attack down, that is just a lie. He has always taken the ball and played it quickly, forward if possible. There is nothing about him that slows the play down, so if he is holding on to the ball, then it is simply a lack of options as he likes to move it quick. That was what Rafa liked about him in the holding role, was the way he would get it and always look to move it on quickly and preferably forward to launch a counter. So for anyone to suggest he is slowing the game down himself is clueless. That is a tactical issue, not an issue of singular players that our play is slow.}
12 Aug 2015 07:00:28
I'm happy to disagree Ed.
I love the way everybody ignores the fact that last year was an abomination - Suarez out, Sturrige out - T Committee forcing Mario and others. Yet - Rogers is the sole blame carrier. Many on here placing all the credit on the previous year on Suarez and fluke.
Like I said - I and many see it differently. There seems a genuine dislike on here for Rogers - Yet - one of the Clubs Legends in Gerrard wishes he played longer under Rogers - I'll go with Gerrard on this one.
All player move on -no one likes being dropped by the coach - never have and never will - but to evertime read - 'treated badly by Rogers' is sounding petty and boring now. I too disagree with some of Roger's selections and preferences, but i'm a fan not a manager - I don't see 100% clearly BR's thinking and behind the scenes.
Excuse the mini-rant
{Ed001's Note - you do realise Rodgers agreed to the signing of Balotelli right? Or does that not suit your delusions? Anyway he is the manager, he has to learn to manage the players at his disposal and to say he is not guilty because he failed to do so is ludicrous and shows a complete lack of understanding of his role.
By the way, the issue all last season was the way we played, not who was missing. If you can't understand that then it is a waste of time having this discussion because you are childish enough to assume it is related to a personal dislike of Rodgers, rather than him being inept and judged as so. As for what Gerrard said, funny how he says other things in private and pretty much retracted those comments as soon as he left the club, but let's gloss over that because it wouldn't suit the deluded viewpoint. But yes, let's go with what Gerrard said about his boss while it could have made the difference between him getting games or sitting on the sidelines. I am sure he gave his true thoughts and not did as he was contracted to do and say the right things.
You clearly are not in the know, as you are whining on about the committee being at fault, when Rodgers had the final say. He is the manager, it is his job to take the blame because it is his job to make the final decisions.}
12 Aug 2015 07:15:20
I wouldn't be surprised if more passes were made to Mignolet than Benteke on the weekend - doesn't sound very attacking to me. Lucas is actually the right fit. Unfortunately Rodgers must have failed geometry as he is struggling with pegs and holes - and has been since he arrived.
12 Aug 2015 07:21:35
You're right I'm not ITK. I'm just a fan from SA. Trying to support a team I love.
I read that Rogers was given a choice of Mario and another, chosen by the TC. Like I said I'm not ITK.
I battle to see how one can ignore the loss of Suarez and Sturrge, effectively our strike force out. I saw a manager change systems numerous times to adapt.
No matter where we're on the log or who is managing LFC I'll be watching my first game at Anfield next year.
Cheers
Big A
{Ed001's Note - it is not a case of ignoring it, it is a case of a manager failing to create any kind of solution to a problem that he knew was coming. It is a complete lack of forward planning.
I hope you get to see a good win when you get there and have a great time.}
12 Aug 2015 07:34:18
Poetry in motion - 2013/2014 season - great attacking football over most of the 38 League Games - oh by the way Lucas played in 26 of those games.
12 Aug 2015 07:35:43
Gerrard wanted to play under Rodgers so much that he left! Bit of a theme that, players wanting to leave Liverpool while Rodgers is manager. They probably realise they have a cat in hells chance of winning the league or even playing in the Champions League while Rodgers is manager.
As for Big A saying we play attractive attacking football that is hilarious even at half 7 in the morning. We are one of the most boring teams to watch, the only time we were attractive was when Suarez was pulling the team along
12 Aug 2015 07:52:14
I think what Gerard meant to say was that if he met Rodgers 10 years ago he would have won more titles as he would have fed off to Chelsea as soon as he realised what a mess Rodgers was creating at Liverpool
12 Aug 2015 10:33:53
Oh no, Ed, you've got it all wrong. Rogers is the victim.Pascoe was the real culprit. He and his cohorts, we're secret Man Utd fans, manipulating Rogers with advanced mind control techniques. It's not as straightforward as it looks.
12 Aug 2015 22:54:51
Big A is just one in a long list of BR apologists who will do and say anything, including the most deluded and baseless comments, to the point of trashing players BR is freezing it of the team and treating disgracefully, in order to absorb him of blame for his many failures. Now, they have to reinvent facts like how the TC failed him whereas he is the head or how injuries and departures led to him being found out to be a poor manager, just to make their baseless points. Pathetic!
12 Aug 2015 23:44:18
Easier to attack the poster than make an objective coherent point.
11 Aug 2015 20:57:40
Ed 001 I see your point re Lucas. He deserves better I agree but in the final analysis Lucas has lost the speed necessary for the Premiership. That is evidenced by the number of fouls he conceded last season and the number of times he lost possession during pre season. In the modern game there's no room for sentiment especially with the high wages players like Lucas are paid.
{Ed001's Note - sorry but how is that evidence of Lucas being not good enough, rather than evidence that the tactics were so bad he was getting overrun by multiple opponents repeatedly, so having to foul? How is the number of times he lost possession any more than an indicator of how the midfield and forwards all turned their back on him or the centre backs, when they received possession in their own half? Sorry but until the tactics make sense, it is impossible to judge on stats, as they are utterly useless than to do any more than be twisted to make any point you wish to make. Simply put, those stats are crap and it is the way you are choosing to read them that has decided the meaning.}
12 Aug 2015 06:17:14
Prior to the injuries he was rock solid and was always there for all those 50-50 challenges and tackles.
He has lost pace and there is a fear in his mind to go for that tackle and he misses it leading to free kicks and with us having such a wonderful reputation on dead ball situation. It ends up in a goal.
But I saw a different Lucas in the Preseason. Pressing and disposing high up the pitch and chasing for all those balls, passing around nicely.
Keeping both Origi and Ings on the bench made no sense at all. One should have been Lucas and Can should have been on the pitch from the start.
It's just BR doesn't rate players like him, Markovic.
12 Aug 2015 07:57:25
Don't remember Lucas giving the ball away much in preseason and like it or not his tactical fouls as I call them saved our bacon on numerous occasions and I think he's one of the best in the business at it. In games where we've been completely dominated he's managed to give away possibly 10 bookable free kicks when we are looking like we're overwhelmed and still mangaged to stay on the pitch. I don't think Lucas is the be all and end all to our season like some suggest but our chances of success are definitely better with him at the club and probably with him in the team.
12 Aug 2015 12:10:29
Didn't lucas make the most interceptions out of everyone last season? Not bad for someone so slow!
12 Aug 2015 15:13:12
Here is a better stat. Our win percentage with Lucas on the pitch is significantly higher than it is without him. I hope he decides to stay and fight and I pray that Rodgers realises how good Lucas is and how valuable he is to the team.
12 Aug 2015 23:02:18
Von, you use stats to make your point. I will use one as well to debunk yours. Wins are the only stats that matter in any sport hence, when Lucas played last season, LFC only lost ONE game and that was vs Arsenal in a game NOBODY played well in. I'm not a stats guy because it means nothing. I suggest you use your eyes and brain to draw conclusions when you watch games instead relying on stats that in the end, proves nothing.
12 Aug 2015 04:47:04
HI eds, good morning.
Now i know this question has nothing to do with liverpool but i wanted to ask. i was just browsing football sites searching for strikers since almost every top team ( bar liverpool) is in need of one and i came across jonathan soriano. now i remember him as a barcelona B player who scored a lot of goals in one season. he has since moved to austria and is scoring for fun, some article said he had scored 52 goals last season! and he has been scoring 30+ goals every season. Now salzburg is not the biggest club nor is austrian bundesliga the big league. what i wonder is why has not one club registered any interest in him? he has a phenomenal scoring record. is he a good player according to you ed? 30+ goals a season in any league for three years straight is a mean feat.
{Ed001's Note - he is ok, lots of players score goals for fun in weaker leagues but fail miserably in the Prem, Afonso Alves for instance. For me Soriano is another one, he is a bit old to make the change over and lacks the pace to be able to frighten defenders or create himself space.}
12 Aug 2015 02:23:48
I suggest everyone check out our unused ex keeper of ours scoring a goal that any striker would be proud of in the dying seconds against psv Eindhoven . It was sheer class . got to love football sometimes
12 Aug 2015 02:01:54
The only time you can keep squad players happy is if you are winning things and or paying very very good wages. Our squad isn't well balanced for not being in champs league. Any manager in the prem would struggle to keep this squad happy, fergie was the master at it but he recognized that you had to have honest hard working pros like oshea, brown, solksjaer that wouldn't kick up a fuss if they were second choice.
That's why for all the haters Allen has, he's a pretty handy squad player in my eyes. Hopefully Rossiter fills Lucas's place!
12 Aug 2015 06:18:47
The only reason Allen getting a new contract, him being BR's favorite player. End of
12 Aug 2015 07:26:48
Joe Allen made 21 app last season, hardly BR favourite player.
12 Aug 2015 07:36:38
21 out of possible 40 with little to no contribution is a very handy stats mate.
12 Aug 2015 09:19:24
We played a good few more games than 40.
12 Aug 2015 01:20:27
Brenda obviously can't have very good man management skills he upsets most of the players treats them badly lucas has been an outstanding servant for lfc, is it only the fans who see this or do the fsg see it as well
12 Aug 2015 05:16:26
FSG sees BR as the long term manager.
12 Aug 2015 06:59:34
Brenda?(cringe)
12 Aug 2015 00:14:16
Lucas is leaving. Imo I think it's time he does. I rate him but if I'm honest, he doesn't get in my starting 11. Would I have Milner ahead of him, yes. Would I have Can ahead of him, yes.
So thank you for your service Lucas Leiva. It has been a pleasure. Wish you all the best.
12 Aug 2015 05:17:40
If you think Milner is ahead of Lucas then you should start watching footie a bit more closely mate.
A B2B midfielder replaces a DM?
12 Aug 2015 09:11:04
Depends what system you play really. But yes, taking everything into account. I would play Milner ahead of Lucas. Maybe the system and style Rodgers wants to play requires a b2b midfielder, maybe it doesn't.
My point is, Lucas does not make MY starting 11. Although he'd be a possibility to start against the stronger teams to protect the back 4 a bit better.
Other than that, Lucas is good, is he world class? No. If he wants to go, he goes.
12 Aug 2015 11:18:24
Common mate. What ever system you play you need someone to stop the opposition coming to you and it's not every mans tea. You need positional discipline and should be an excellent reader of the game.
Don't behave like BR picking names rather than correct players.
12 Aug 2015 13:24:23
So you're saying playing against a lesser team that will just sit back, we need a DM??? Nonsense.
A b2b midfielder is just that! One of those b's is our box, when they are defending!
Stop talking nonsense.