Liverpool Banter Archive September 11 2011
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11 Sep 2011 23:51:05
2 seasons ago Rio Ferdinand chipped the ball straight on to Bellamy's chest then failed to catch him as Bellamy scored. Had United been beaten that day, questions would have been asked about his age and quality. However, United took their chances and won the game. Had Henderson and Suarez scored against Stoke, Carra's mistake would have been forgotten. Bottom line is, defenders make mistakes, and when they do they can cost goals. But all players make mistakes, and giving away a penalty like Carra's is no worse than missing a chance like Suarez's. Instead of writing off one of the club's best servants after a contentious penalty decision, why not reflect on the fact that we restricted Stoke to just 2 shots on goal at a ground where we were outplayed last season. If we had taken our chances as we should have done, we would have won the game and no one would be talking about Carra. So stop making judgments on isolated incidents and have a little faith in the club you profess to support
Red Ollie
Excellent post..but probably fall on deaf ears !
Red Til Dead
Should of, would of, could of.....dont you just get fed up of saying the same thing season upon season? Good teams win full stop . Really hate these refs now. Yes we possibly could have had 2 penalties but the reality is Suarez and Hendo should've scored. Come on Liverpool lets sort it out before its too late again.
S
Yes S, I am annoyed about that, especially as we dominated the game, but I think it's unfair to blame Carragher for defeat
Red Ollie
Red Ollie I agree with you in that we cant blame Carragher as yes he gave away a penalty (old age getting to him now lol) but it would have made no difference had Hendo and Suarez scored their easy chances and if ......if we got the penalties that should have come our way.....too many should have would have lol
S
He didn't just give away the penalty, we had the ball Carra gave it to them! via a hoof downfield! They hoofed it back and got a penalty. If Carra didn't hoof it to them?
Then no penalty. So Carra actually started the whole move that lead to the penalty..I think Kenny will be thinking "You can't teach an old dog new tricks!"
kidmillions
It wasn't contentious. His arm was wrapped around his waste.
Carragher added: "Life is not just about money. There are other things, important things that have a different kind of value. Anyone from Liverpool could tell you that.".
Carra will come good. He is needed especially in big games.
st
YNWA
11 Sep 2011 23:23:57
the story is doing the rounds again about eriksen joining us , I have a question to the eds please, do these players first refuse and then sit back and see how liverpool fair out and then decide to join when it all seem s to be going well? thanks
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - that can happen, though often a player that turns down a club will not get a second chance to join.}
11 Sep 2011 22:38:14
got to take chances.and ruthlessly finish sides off!
We did take chances but the ball was not going in, the ref was no help I have seen the match over and over again
hibsylfc
At the end of the day don blame the ref come on we got our fair share towards the end of last season and we also got a penalty that season that never was so forget the whinging we werent good enough and im gonna tell u if we keep playing personnel the way we are (and dont get me wrong the team is ther if ther applied right) its gonna be a long season
The ref was no good and i am not blaming him for the match by any means I am just saying that the ref as well did not help us to get where we wanted. Howmany times have we seen a bad ref turn a game around even ed 001 thinks this ref is rubbish, and he knows more about football than me and KK does too. Football these days is unfair look at the west brom norwich game brom get a penalty and norwich don't when the guy had to get hospital treatment.
hibsylfc
11 Sep 2011 22:47:45
got to finish better.get bellamy up top with suarez
11 Sep 2011 22:01:02
Starting 11
Reina
Kelly. Coates. Agger. Enrique
Henderson. Gerrard. Adam
Bellamy. Suarez. Downing
Wheres lucas? n hendo shouldnt be in that starting lineup.
11 Sep 2011 21:59:14
Anybody like to share their fantasy football teams ? Or any tips from any of the Ed's or fellow supporters ? Would love your input guys !
My team now is :
Vorm
Ward Cahill Enrique
Silva Adam Whelan Young
Aguero Dzeko Suarez.
Any changes that people would make to that team ? Cheers everyone !
Cheers :)
IrishRed.
(New email Ed!)
De Gea
Rafael Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Nani Cleverley Anderson Young
Rooney Hernandez
an awesome fantasy team who would play beautiful football, oh wait, what that's a real team and they do play quality football. and they have great players in reserve such as:
Lindegaard
Fabio Smalling Jones Evans
Valencia Carrick Fletcher Park
Berbatov Welbeck
well wow that would have been my second fantasy team, hell that team must be amazing what are they called? Thats right 19 times league champions Manchester United. wow what a team.
Shappy
How would your fantasy team do against barca?
Better than yours i would imagin but we'll never know as by the time you next get a chance to play Barca Messi and co will have long retired. Does it make you feel good when the only insult you can throw at us is "your not as good as Barca"? cus you know what your not even as good as spurs:-P lol
Shappy
Given,begovic
cahill,jones,shawcross,kompany,bosingwa
anderson,silva,jarvis,whelan,henderson
rooney,suarez,sturridge
It's not the only insult Shappy we can also say your not as good as City, we know that one hurts and in your heart you know its true.
Well if your talking about personel then you proberly have a point but it's the best team that wins things and i'm sure a team with Balotelli Tevez and the Toure bothers will be lacking in team spirit plus if the chief excecutive is belittling the cancer stricken mum of a player then you can see the kind of leadership they have there. So better squad of players? possibly, better TEAM not a chance. besides we'll see who's the best at the end of the season.
Shappy
Shappy. Your ignorance is mind blowing. Didn't Chelsea have a great start last season? Scored quite a few, then what? They slipped up and lost their form. If you and your little scum brain think you won't then you are in for a massive shock. Liverpool may have lost against Stoke but we are still waiting on our captain to return, one of the best players to have ever played in the EPL.
Shappy last time we played Barca we beat them in the Nou Camp.
How long ago was that when you played barca? Stevie g only ever looked good cause he played in such a terrible team, big fish small pond and all that.
JWalk
11 Sep 2011 21:33:51
Hooch, you was included in the proper posters, and i agree Carra should be dropped on form like any player should re of age. Carra has to be benched defo, think his form isn't upto scratch whatsoever so i'd throw Coates in straight away. Sit Carra out to try and get some confidence back. If he cant get back in the team because other players are playing well so be it. But only criteria a player should be dropped on like Carroll, is form which at the min Carra's is not upto scratch,got wrong side,guy went down easy,just same as Suarez's against Newcastle last season off Mike Williamson.not havin a go Hooch what so ever,if its age thats causing that form fair do's, if its confidence also should be dropped, think its a bit of both to he quite honest but he'll still put a few more top games together before he's done, sorry Carra but we cant have a De Gea cost you a goal or golden chance a game player in the team at anytime as Utd will find out this season. Watch Fergie before they play Stoke,defo after cleverly's injury be on the Refs to protect De gea because their gonna light him up . Jonson6
Agree wid johnson6. carra should b nothing more than a backup. But i wud take agger n skrtel as first choice cb. Coates shud fill in when aggers injured(which will happen quite often). Btw mancs can afford to play de gea week in week out simply bcoz their strikers make up for his mistakes by scoring for fun. We dont have that luxury.
Indian Buzzer
11 Sep 2011 21:18:03
Used to but doesn't surprise me anymore. After Henderson's 2 goals, he was back in the good books worthy of his place in the starting 11. Now he's not good enough,drop him.Well i bet he wont be dropped for Bellamy, and 2 just glory hunters. Is this is what its like when we batter a team, will play a lot worse and win, i really think most have never been to Anfield never mind a live footy game. Just sat on your asses watching Sky. Thought Liverpool fans were known for their backing of their players,not a game by game judgement. Bar about 10 to 15 posters, seems rest are arm chair glory hunters who always look at the negative and weak points in players like every player including Suarez has got. Glory hunters, makes me sick reading the utter s**te after 1 loss. Give me all the s**t you want but, game by game, or you kidding me, maybe month by month even 6 months but when i checked Saturdays posts after the game to see what was being posted by the internet streamer's, minute by minute now. People quote the Great Bill Shankly in one sentence, then go to rip on a player or 2 in the same post, full of s**te. Jonson6
11 Sep 2011 20:31:26
Chants you hear at different 2 stadiums:
ANFIELD- "clap clap clap...dalglish!","glory...anfield road","you'll never walk alone","ta ta ta..luis suarez!","we all dream of a team of carraghers","stevie gerrard gerrard...",etc etc.
OLD TRAFFORD- i dont know,but all i ever hear is "LIVERPOOL".
To all you mancs,your team's name is man yernited! But we appreciate the attention you give us. Just shows who the best team in the world is that even the fans of the english champions cheer about us more than they do their own team.
Capetownred
Season over already, and Dogleash has his excuses primed and ready to go. He'll run it past the owners first of course.
You certainly have no manners calling dalglish names it just mirrors your weak personality.
hibsylfc
No need to get abusive on Dalglish - the man deserves respect from all the football community regardless of which club you support.
cozinoz
So does Fergie but we have quite a few names for him
11 Sep 2011 20:24:21
Hello again one and all.
I'm going to get straight to the point. Stokes penalty was in my opinion, a definite pen.
Jamie Carragher in my opinion did such a stupid foul which was totally unnecessary and damn right clumsy. Since pre-season I've worried about Carragher, and so far I can safely say he's not the player he once was. In my opinion, skrtel and agger should be paired at the back against spurs, because Carra really isn't peforming. His hoofs are something I think belongs at a relegation battle club, not a top club like Liverpool.
Carra in my eyes was one of the best defenders in the league at one point, but now I genuinely feel that other options need to be considered, and better yet applied.
And to finish off my blunt post, I'd like to add that I'm not a completely negative supporter, I just wanted to put my opinion straight.
Thanks all,
Hooch.
Lets wait and see we have to get the new lad in at some point but carra marshall's the back four he is a leader!
JJ blackpool
Have to agree re Carra not the player he used to be but with regards to the pen you must be joking !Walters clearly barged into Carra and was backing into him with no attempt to play the ball him. Definitely no pen.The clear hand ball at the other end though, now that should have been a pen (not the second hand ball though)
I totally agree hooch i watched the game and i agree it was a pen he should of let him have a shot.carra lost us possesion by hoofing it made me angry.he had time and no pressure but hoofed it up.i love carragher hes been a great defender but i hope by xmas coates or skrtel has taken his place.i can just tell against spurs adebayor will have a field day against him.DORSET RED
By the letter of the law I guess it was a pen but as Lineker said on MOTD, you rarely see them given. The only reason Carra was falling over in the first place was Walters barged into him. We've conceded twice before today, the one against Sunderland was Flanagan's fault, the one against Bolton was a Carra mistake but we were 3-0 up at the time. Stoke had one other shot in the entire match, I'd say the defence dealt with them pretty well. It's not Carra's fault that Henderson and Suarez missed 2 of the easiest chances we'll get all season
Red Ollie
Fact of the matter is..that's two consecutive weeks of mistakes by Carra..one for the clean sheet against Bolton and this one against Stoke..we can't have this.
Cease
11 Sep 2011 20:09:58
Just looked at my rankings on the fantasy premier league thing a lot of us joined up for. Don't think i'm doing too badly, only ranked number 835. lol. If any of you eds joined, where are you at momonet? thanx.
huddz red
{Ed001's Note - I didn't join, but I think most of the rest did.}
11 Sep 2011 19:53:41
carra this carra that we know give it a rest we are 5th four games in lets see what happen's and not judge anybody to much until the season really starts which is about xmas time,if we are in the top four or there about we have got to be happy.Just wait until the champions league kicks in for some teams and europa league that's when we can catch up any missed points or take advantage.Have some faith this is not the 70's and 80's we are rebuilding.
JJ blackpool
11 Sep 2011 19:32:49
Hello ed.... totally out of left field question..... you used to have a advert selling retro t shirts.... what was the name of the site? thanks
jonnybarnes89-90 {Ed001's Note - I am sorry mate I have no idea, the ad wasn't through us, it was through Adsense and I don't see the adverts on this end.}
11 Sep 2011 19:24:09
So, there I was in my local shop & fellow walks in with an onion. no big deal I hear you say.... when the shop keeper weighed it... it was 4.2kg...4.2kg!! 9.2 lbs in real money.... and the best thing is.. he told me the biggest he had weighed was 8kg!! f*** me!
Matty P
WAS IT A RED ONION??
JJ blackpool
So wierded out I was looking through a glass onion when i read that!
WHO KNEW?
Mate got to say i love this post, made me lol
billynwa
11 Sep 2011 19:12:15
Is the Utd forum offline eds? Shappy has written a hell of a lot on here today? I don't know how he has enough hours in the day to write all that and I thought I was bad!
Ash
Nah just bored mate. lol
Shappy
11 Sep 2011 18:50:35
We had possession of the ball, all Carra had to do was play it to a red shirt! He was under no pressure? But once again chose to hoof it down the pitch straight to a Stoke player, who hoofed it back immediately as the Liverpool defence was moving out. The ball was helped on over the top of Carra, who then struggled to get goalside! Result needless penalty.
So to sum up! Carra was responsible for giving away possession to Stoke and then getting on the wrong side of a Stoke player to concede the penalty! All in the one movement.
Hate to have a go! but that passage of play leading to the penalty just sums up Carrra.
kidmillions
Extra time , ataturk stadium, 2005 champions league final sums him up. Behave kidmillions!
While i will agree that, that performance was immense it was six long years ago and i fear carra is nearing the end of his fabulous career with us and although its early in the season but he aint gonna get any quicker and has been doing the same silly fouls hyppia was doing at the end with us and maybe he should be used as hyppia was at that stage of his career.
stuart
Football is a today and tomorrow game. Our club has a fabulous history and we are all rightly proud of it but history and sentiment will not win us and matches.
Istanbul after HT was Carra's finest hour. But that was 6 years ago, and he is not the same player he was then. Whilst he has been a fine servant to the club, he should be selected based on his current form not past glories. His form recently hasn't been to his usual standards and as with any other player if there are others in the squad performing better, they should come in. Carragher will be as unhappy as anyone for his last 2 mistakes costing us goals, and will be determined to come back stronger than ever.
RedSG
Going on about 2005? mate that was then his performances are away downhill he knows himself not long left, coates is long term successor
I think carras losing it now thats 2 consecutive mistakes that have led to goals .....lets see coates against spurs ...to see how good he is
Carra was a tremendous defender alongside the magnificent Sammi Hyppia but since them days. Carra's lack of heading ability and distribution keeps getting highlighted.
Whatever system we play! Remember us conceding from corners and free kicks all the time and everyone blaming zonal marking and never Carra's heading ability.
There's never been any point in him giong up for free kicks and corners because he can't head a ball properly. He didn't need to alongside Sammi but now?
kidmillions
11 Sep 2011 18:45:04
Eds,
How about we approach LFC and ask Carra if he can be a guest ed for the wrestling site ?
Think he'd be good at it..
The Real KB {Ed009's Note - I assume you believe it was penalty then? I have to say I think Carra was a little too clumsy.}
He's not gonna get any 50/50s anymore ed is he?
He might as well wear one of them mexican wrestling masks. Lol.
The Real KB
11 Sep 2011 18:26:16
Shappy Laddy you are obviously bored as your obsession with LFC is very apparent. I am sure it is prawn sandwich time. Love your obsession maybe you need 2 put that effort into following your team.
Mighty reds.
Urgh i hate prawns? it's the eyes, i don't like anything that looks at we while i'm eating it. lol. i put much more effort into supporting my own team then i do to winding up scousers, it's just that today i've got the time to do both. lol
Shappy
You are very good when it comes to winning pl. but it kills you about europe, never dominating it. you have a chip on your shoulder about it. thats why you come on to this site not any other to boast about being on top of pl. so sad. you do know that the only team that will be remembered from this period is barca. do you brag on their site.
5 times
C'est la vie, personally i wouldn't be bringing up europe if my team wasn't good enough to quailfy for it. all you have is history and memories of past glories. were creating history, and europe is the next step for us, we've done much better of late but have been unfortunate to come up against what will proberly be remembered as one of the best barca sides ever, but we are improving and working towards becoming a team who will dominate europe. I would be willing that we win a "big ears" before you infact i'm quite sure we'll win it before you get another chance to play in the champions league.
Shappy
I bet u dont u have failed in ur last to finals badly, barca tought u how to play they spanked ur ass, and they will again
11 Sep 2011 18:02:47
@Matthew & Shappy
There is a man who in order happy with himself, bigs HIMSELF up, HIS talents. Everything's about... HIM.
Think Pretty Floyd.
Then there is one who, in the same attempt to feel good about himself, tries to put OTHERS down, plays down THEIR abilities, disparages THEM, mocks THEM..
Obsesses over THEM.
Think Broken Toe.
United fans fall in the 2nd category.
Any and everything they do centres round OTHERS.
Only way they can feel good about themselves is by mocking OTHERS; expressing their bile and vitriol for OTHERS as oppossed to showing love to their team.
Every game, all you hear are songs about... wait for it... Liverpool, Leeds, Manchester City... OTHERS... bugger all about their club.
They win the Championship, a record-breaking 19 title... first thing they do, hurl insults and abuse at Robbie and Liverpool fans.
A special moment where they should be giving love and praise to their team and sharing among themselves. But no, they've to spew their hate for LFC.
On such a great occassion the LAST thing on my mind would be Manchester United.
Obsession, obsession, obsession.
No perspective.
Your existence is validated by your bitterness for Liverpool, and more recently, jealousy for Manchester City.
United fans' happiness and pride, if any, stem from the failures of OTHERS instead of the successes of their own team.
Sad, sad, sad.
They call City "noisy", yet the only noise I've been hearing comes from them, as usual.
City have got the billions and went about minding their own business, caring no fook about anyone.
I'd say that, bar us and to an extent, Arsenal fans, I've found Manchester City and their fans to be a humble who, like us, mind their own business.
When they put up that "Welcome To Manchester" thing, they were simply going on about THEIR biz.
Yet, yet, some jealous gits up the road had to wade in; their manager labelling them "idiots". For what, exactly? Focusing on THEIR own business?
Obsession, obsession.
When we next win the PL or Big Ears no 6, whenever that will be, the LAST you'll me doing is sticking in Matthew, Shappy and the otheq tadpoles, giving Charlton abuse, NO.
United are, always have been, and always will be, an AFTERTHOUGT.
Their only value to me is only the 3 points we gonna beat t,em four.
We are Liverpool. It's own experiences and stories, amazing and worst, that define us. Our pride stems from our succeses, not our rivals' failures.
We don't say: "so and so are crap" and disparage them.
We say: "we are good" and give love and praise to our boys and share it among weselves.
But they say it's a country free, so Matthew, Shappy and and your fellow lieuts, if coming on here or, generally, spewing abuse and vitriol at Liverpool fans makes you happy boys, then be guest.
If it validates your vague existence, as seems to be the case, then carry on obsessing over us.
*rupertnorth'sxpertanalysis*
And when you should be doing your best to get back on level terms with us and compete you get all sulky and reduce our ticket allowance to prevent us from laughing at you. I think the term is people in glass houses.RAINFISHTROMBONE
Great post.
maka
Post of the year
Chris in Tamworth
An intelligent response, one of the few posts I've actually enjoyed to read lately.
kidmillions
Fair play a very well written and thoughtful reply, normally all we get is a f**k off or some jiberish crap. So it appears there is intelligent life on the mersey. lol. If you were to pop over to the united page you'll see that me and Matthew are regular poster and take great pride in our club and what we've achieved. We do chant about what we've achieved and sing of our successes but then we get called arrogant so then the nastiness starts, but our success brings those things least attractive in humans to the surface. To be honest with you i've been bored today and came on here with no purpose but to wind you guys up(with a certain amount of success i might add) as we've had such attempts from people from your end. I do have a great respect for liverpool and all they have achieved and take pride in one by one beating your records and surpassing your successes. I have said already and i'll say it again i hope you do return some what of your former glory as i feel the two best teams in english football history should be battling it out for supremacy, it's a shame that we weren't at our peakes at the same time as that would have been something to behold.
Shappy
And Rainfish has my back as we are united.
Shappy
Quite honestly i couldn't give a rats knacker of any utd opinion,it amazes me any of our fans bother to visit there site,whats the frigging point?
RED72
Shappy, you've only recently beaten our league record but you'll be waiting quite a while to beat our 5 big ears.......
It took Utd decades to beat our league record, but your reign will shortly be over as all periods of success come to an end at some point. Sir Alex has been a wonderful servant to Utd and has contributed to putting english football at the head of world football (as did the King, Wenger and many others) but his time is coming to an end and then lets see what happens. While he may be around for a year or two yet, the end is coming. Deep down, you can see it coming just like we could in 1990.
I can see the title race becoming closer each year as the competition across the league increases. Lets face it, no one will look forward to visiting Stoke this year and credit to them for holding on yesterday, they did what they are extremely good at and kept us at bay. We had large portions of play and several chances which we didn't convert, but we are in a learning curve and no one should expect us to win every game at this time.
LFC will continue to improve, we are 4 games into a new league season with 8 new players in the squad; a squad I might add which now has an increased level of strength in depth and quality across the park. A squad which is young and will only improve.
Carra has and continues to be a wonderful servant to LFC and I for one hope he continues to give his all for the club he loves. His attitude is second to none and the young players will only benefit for working alongside him every day.
Stevie is on his way back (and hopefully fully fit for the rest of the season) and his involvement on the pitch with the rest of the squad will place us well for a positive and successful season. A season which will be a significant improvement over recent years.
I for one cannot wait and should we win a trophy and/or hopefully secure a place at the top table of European football once again, I will not be wasting time posting on any other page to this, celebrating with my fellow LFC followers.
Walk on.....
Connors LFC
I would like to see you return as a force......but just so we can beat you back down. The tables have turned and it's along way back for you now, you may have improved your squad but so has everyone else and with the exception of Suarez you haven't signed anyone who is world class and without champions league football you will struggle to sign anyone who is, that is why finishing 4th this year is a must for you, another year not completing with europes elite could be the final nail in th coffin. And as for Sir Alex riding off into the sunset he will leave us well prepared, although we may not be the force we have been with him we'll still be there fighting it out for titles on all fronts. Were as Kenny is no spring chicken and a few years of toil and he may give up and decide on a well earned place next to the fire with his slippers and a night cap, and who will you turn to then? a broken team with no european football and history with which the fans will club any manager with if he isn't successful. I assure you the future is never certain but i'd rather be were we are than were you are.
Shappy
To all manutd fans just don't forget that sir matt busby was lpool captain first and then went to you guys
hibsylfc
11 Sep 2011 17:49:42
Shappy get off the site and get a bloody job.
You do know every time you comment it only feeds the dirty habits of them so called mancs fan forget about them
Who works on a sunday? I have a job but were not open for business on sundays, but i guess it's been so long since jou had a job yourself that you've forgotten what day of the week it is.
Shappy
Actually mate I've got quite a high paid job in a law firm, I'm guessing you work on your stall in the East End seeing as you come across as an armchair supporter.
The not-so long lost brother of KK
Kk's brother? so how is Kevin "i'd love it" Keegan doing now? is he in work himself.
oh and Market stalls are open on a sunday if they weren't then everyone else would be at work and unable to buy anything. Duh.
Oh and it is very vulgar to talk about what one earns, do i have to teach you guy's manners as well as football knowledge and realism rather than that fantasy "it's are year" you believe in.
I work i get paid and i pay my taxes, infact since i left school i've not been unemployed once and have never claimed any benefits. So although i'm no Richard Branson i am doing just fine thank you very much.
Shappy
11 Sep 2011 17:37:11
We'll win more games than we lose this season playing like we did against Stoke.
Well theres a target to be proud of. lol
shappy
Our target is champions league qualification n maybe win one of the carling or FA cup, to clear up the doubts in ur mind. Now get back to ur site.
Indian Buzzer
11 Sep 2011 17:36:27
I am confident we can do well at Spurs. Under King Kenny we normally win when we have just had a loss. It will be interesting team choice. One game that i am looking forward to though.
Mighty Reds
11 Sep 2011 17:23:53
All in all - a very disappointing result vs Stoke. The first of many tests against mid-table teams like Wigan, Newcastle etc and we failed. We were over reliant on Judas, now we are over reliant on Suarez. God knows how we will cope if he is injured or fatigued.
And Kenny doesn't rate Maxi, does he? Why else is he not playing? He has a good understanding with Suarez as evidenced by the number of goals he scored with Suarez assists.
Nearly 20 shots on goal yet a big fat ZERO! Sure we rave about the performance, but at the end of the day, if we don't score, we don't win! I rather settle for an ugly 1-0 if that's what it takes to win.
And getting 4th in the league is no consolation. We have to finish in the top 3 for automatic qualification for the CL group stage. Do we need the Russian roulette of a qualifying round and get knocked out even before we get in? Plus, correct me if I am wrong, England is given 4 places in the CL on a yearly basis, right? It means if another country improves on its coefficient the EPL may lose the 4th spot, right? If so, we can finish 4th and still not qualify for the CL, yes?
SingRed
It's possible but aslong as united keep getting to finals thus keeping englands coefficient up then your still in with a chance. Which is quite delicious as a united fan knowing you guys are quietly wanting us to do well in europe just to give you guys a shot at qualifing. lol
Shappy
Shappy
Actually I'm more happy to see your team get creamed by Barca every time! SingRed
We do Shappy, love seeing you get schooled by Barca over and over again, entertainment at it's finest.
Shappy or scrappy or whoever you are... i'll bet you're looking forward to your first real test this weekend against Chelski SingRed
Hey Scrappy/Shaggy/Shappy
I looked at your first team and guess what?! Other than Welbeck you don't have any other born-in-Manc players in your team! You even need a Scouser to score your goals for you! Your first team is basically imported from other teams! tsk, tsk! It's what you call buying success! SingRed
Yeah i guess you can't call City Arsenal and Spurs a proper test, Chelsea do seem to be the only team who are anywhere near our quality in england. And Barca are on a whole different level to anyone at the moment but were working towards over coming them, now thats a worth challenge.
Shappy
We've brought far more players though our youth set up into the first team than you have, in a couple of years Gerrard will retire and then the last player to come through your youth team will be gone. So check to see if you live in a glass house before you throw stones(or get undressed. lol). funnily since the start of the prem you have a higher net spend on transfers then we do, so who's been trying to buy success?
Shappy
Ahh, so you now have a crystal ball do ya Shappy? Physic Shappy eh? I'm pretty sure Sterling, Suso, Morgan etc. will still be with us for a few more years...
maka
So Kelly hasn't come through our youth then??
Big red john
Kelly has only come though last year and has yet to make it as a regular, i remember similar things being said about Warnock but he didn't make it either. until he nails down a first team spot then he hasn't been a success.
Shappy {Ed001's Note - actually he came through under Rafa, it is only injuries that have stopped him being a regular.}
Ah right i didn't realise he's been in your team so long without standing out, how old is he again? and how many games has he played?
Shappy {Ed001's Note - without standing out? Clearly you just haven't watched us play, he has stood out a number of times, in fact pretty much every game he has played. Like I said it is injuries that have held him back. 31 appearances at the age of 21 isn't bad for a defender that has had the injury problems he has had. He is a top class player and has shown that every time he played.}
Both Fabio and Rafeal have had injuries too but they've made many more appearances and more eye catching too, but that is my opinion. hopefully he can get over his injuries and i can get a proper look at him.
Shappy {Ed001's Note - I would take Kelly every time, you have to remember he is actually a centre back who only came in as a right back to cover.}
Let's hear it for Ed001! Best retorts to that crappy shappy! SingRed
Shappys lost it. The da silva twins better than Kelly? R u for real? Kelly is better than both of them put together. Even the much criticized glen johnson is better than those twins. Kelly is englands future right back.
Indian Buzzer
11 Sep 2011 17:10:36
I am an Andy Carrol fan and im sure everything will come good with him and we will be able to supply crosses etc for him. However doesn't there seem to be some sort of problem with him? Personal reasons maybe? I think Dalglish is on the case at the moment as he hasn't started the last 2 games, i hope it all gets sorted out soon.
Being his drinking buddy isn't the same thing as being a fan of him. lol
shappy
11 Sep 2011 16:54:16
Hi eds,what is all this nonsense about the refs,we lost the game because we didnt score any goals its the same old problem year in year out we dont have the creative player or players too unlock these packed defences,we also dont have the time to wait untill henderson & carroll develope how long did we have to wait for lucas two or three years ,when we buy it has to be the finished article and if we want too break in youngsters let them be our own and let that be in none league games isnt the idea to finish in the top four the way we are going about it that will be just a dream.
11 sep 2011 16:40:47
lets not pancake everybody. one of those days, lets get behind the team 100% starting at the spuds
Let's not pancake? But I love pancakes!
maka
11 Sep 2011 16:31:52
As long we are creating chances I'm not going to be overly concerned. We were very unfortunate against both teams that we dropped points against. We played an almost perfect match in the first half against Sunderland. If we can regenerate that level of soccer on a regular basis we'll definitely create chances & score goals. I don't see why everybody is acting like its over already. The Gerrard Suarez partnership will be the best partnership in the league. SLODGE
11 Sep 2011 16:12:45
shappy if you was on top of the world you would be on your own forums. But then again all you do is sing about Liverpool. The word i think is obsessed with LFC.
MIghty Reds.
And i am but it is possible to post on both you know. There really is nothing quite like being top of the league and play breath taking football, do you remember that? but it's also fun to show up some of our down and out rivals(for want of a better word). lol
Shappy
Besides Mighy mouse you seem to be getting infatuated with me. i don't wanna break your heart mate but i'm engaged. sorry bud. lol
Shappy
Elton John look-a-like?
Nah and i don't think she'd be too pleased with that comparison. But she don't like football so she'll never know. lol
Shappy
11 Sep 2011 15:55:32
Hi all you Reds, thought I would come on and try and lift the gloom. Regarding your new stadium, there could be a 50,000 capacity stadium up for grabs shortly down Ibrox way. All it will take is a cheeky wee bid, then hire the Auf Wiedersen Pet boys to dismantle it, like they did with the bridge in Middlesborough, and then assemble it down Liverpool way.
Its a win, win situation, Liverpool gain a new stadium cheaply and Scottish football benefits enermously as well. hail hail Timalloy
11 Sep 2011 15:48:16
Will Gerrard be back for the Tottenham game?
11 Sep 2011 15:47:25
Happy shappy or happy chappy you are a very bitter manc. Chin up.
Mighty reds
Abit bemused perhaps, could you explain what it is i am to be bitter about? were top of the league have a great squad of young exciting players and were playing great football. To be honest i'm on top of the world and am feeling very cheerful today.
Shappy
You do tend to spend alot of time on here Shappy but I can understand you gloating, I just hope you realise that us Liverpool fans will bite back like Luis Suarez when United get beat, which they will, hey it's the premiership after all.
Hang on a minute are you threatening to bite off my ear when we lose? isn't that a bit much? lol. or has the lust of cannibalism taken hold of merseyside? lol
Shappy
Shappy you're a complete t**k. Idiots like you are the reason your club is hated so much. You try to be eloquent but you're illeterate. You try to show you know about footie yet you've never kicked a ball in your life.
People like you don't have anything on us Reds. The Real Reds. Unlike you glory hunting devils.
11 Sep 2011 15:40:58
just wondering eds why alot of my posts dont make it here , pretty sure the cursing is minimal kingkennykop7 {Ed002's Note - No idea, I have not cut any.}
Yeah Ed, I'm having the same issue. I put a post in this morning & it never came up. Put another one in & Ed001 replied. I replied using "reply to this post". Again it never came up. This started last weekend using both Banter form & Reply to this post with very little success. A few have went thru but not much. I'm using the same method for posts as I've always done.
Of course all my posts are of the usual low quality, you don't know what you're missing ed. Cheers
The Irish Rover {Ed001's Note - we are looking into it, we have made a lot of changes recently, obviously some of the changes have affected something.}
11 Sep 2011 15:27:06
Watching the Norwich v. West Brom game, and I have to say again that the refereeing this season has been very VERY poor. A huge change is needed, whether in personals or system, I am not sure.
Jack D.
I agree but players diving are making the game hell
JJ blackpool
11 Sep 2011 15:13:04
ed there has just been a very soft peno in the west brom gane that was just as bad as yesterdays. what is goin on with the refs so far they are very bad so far? the one thing i hate is inconsistent refs {Ed001's Note - they are no longer allowed to use common sense and it is destroying their ability to referee.}
11 Sep 2011 15:01:15
Hey Eds, I'm so sick of people on here hating on Carroll. What ever happened to us all being good fans and supporting every player on the pitch, we need to give Carroll a chance, he's obviously talented but the main thing is that he's still learning, everyone needs to remember he's still young.
Everyone did the same thing with Lucas, now look at him, everybody puts him in their predicted teams. Every player cannot be on top of their form all the time. Kenny knows how good Carroll is, and how good he can be.
No one puts him in there teams because he's a great player they put him there because he's the best of a bad bunch. Do you think he'd honestly get a game at United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs? lol
Shappy
TBH i dont like Lucas, very slow going up and tracking back, ild have Spearing beside Adam anyday with injuries the way they are...
Jay
ps. Shappy has a full Nappy! time for dinner!
Nappy jokes? thats just baby-ish. lol.
Shappy
11 Sep 2011 15:00:05
Team For Spurs:
Reina
Johnson-Coates-Agger-Enrique
Gerrard-Lucas-Adam-Downing
Suarez-Carroll
DanTheRed
Think Johnson's injured again and doubt Gerrard will start after having no pre-season. Kelly RB and Gerrard on the bench. Hendo or Bellamy right wing. Also think Skrtel or Carra more likely than Coates.
I'ld like to see Gerrard beside Adam, if fit and Bellamy out right, plenty of pace!
Jay
Yesterday proved why bellamy should have started and not henderson and how carra is our weak link at defence
11 Sep 2011 14:47:30
Quite funny havin fans of that team from salford come on here just shows who they are most interested in. Typical mancs.
Mighty Reds
Nope just gloating, which we can do given current currcumstances. But wat is with all the scousers on the untied page?(Blair, lfc, redeyedhector and the nameless others) are they all Gloating or is it a fixation with us? lol
Shappy
Not exactly a fixation but I went on just to see if there was anything on there about Shrek's sponsorship for a new rug from Carpetright.
Go back on your own site shatty, you only won league last season cause all top teams had a mare, it must be the worst team ever to win it if you dont believe me look what barca did to ya made you look right mugs ynwa
C'est la vie, i guess being second best in europe last year with the "worst team ever to wim the league" was as much as we could hope for. btw how did you do in europe last year? oh and good luck against swansea this year btw you won't be needing your passports. lol
Shappy
11 Sep 2011 14:40:54
The referee in charge of a Premier League game has to compile a report on the game, so does the official observer about the referees performance. Does anyone know if these reports are published for ALL football fans to see? If not - Why not?
I presume its our gate money which indirectly pays the referees through Club fees and fines and we should have the right to see what is written about our team.
I would love to see exactly what game officials write, even if it criticises teams or the behaviour of certain players or managers. Is this a way of stopping the cheats and moaners in the game if they are named and shamed in official reports.
Referees hide under a cloak of secrecy and maybe its time for that to be lifted.
MidsRed
It never gets aired publicly but then neither does the referee league table. but that's neither here nor there the Ref report is an internal evaluation and would be against the law to publish. would you be happy if your boss evaluated your work performance then published it for all to see? course not. it is wat it is and we'll have to deal with it.
Shappy
11 Sep 2011 14:40:45
anybody see the blond hotty in town last night in just a liverpool top? lol
we really do have the greatest fans in the world :P
MIKEY
(getting flashbacks)
Was she 'Brazilian"?
Didnt get that far with her mate ;)
lol
MIKEY {Ed009's Note - haha nice one mate.}
11 Sep 2011 14:32:23
i wouldnt panic fellow reds.very unlucky,dominating,attacking display.hope players arent disheartened.alls i will criticise is the finishing.mustnt fall into arsenal tip tap overplaying,and have a go.like us to use wide areas more to break sides down.adam and hendersen werent at their best.and wana see suarez get more help uptop.but we dominated,playing good footy.
11 Sep 2011 14:20:58
just a quick shout out for the victims and familys of 9,11.
us reds have had our own share of tragedy, you'll never walk alone.
RIP
MIKEY
11 Sep 2011 14:07:02
never got to watch the stoke game :(
but i wasnt expecting a win anyway, such a hard game stoke away for liverpool.
not to worry tho. we have still improved so much since kenny took the reins.
4th place is still ours to lose.
MIKEY
11 Sep 2011 14:00:07
Did anyone notice the ball sticking on that pitch yesterday? Hard to get any kind of passing game goin
Spriggo
11 Sep 2011 13:56:46
Lame. Sorry my "superior secret source" about the new stadium turned out to be wrong, sorry.
I know i said I'd explain the source if I was wrong, but in hindsight that's gonna make me look like more of a wellend than I do already. Weak.
I was well chuffed at that as well.
BOO.
Duckula
11 Sep 2011 13:39:13
KK is right, most referees in this country are diabolical. They don't know how to judge a tackle to save their life. So they go by one rule, which is give a free kick if the player goes down and not to blow if they stay on their feet. They shouldn't give free kicks to players who go down when the contact is nowhere strong enough to justify it. They should be made to go to referees classes and watch video after video of tackles with a couple of ex-pros explaining the difference to them.
Let's make no mistake, Liverpool would be level on 12 points with the Manc clubs if it wasn't for refereeing decisions. Everyone knows referees are in fear of Utd and Ferguson and we know who KK was referring to in his interview yesterday. That preening person Clattenberg, with his poncy cockatoo hair transpalnt is out of his depth refereeing at Premiership level.
Having said all that, Liverpool are their own worst enemies, by not killing off games and leaving themselves open to poor decisions. When we go behind we get a bit desperate and don't have the belief that we will come back and win. So, players make poor decisions. For example, I wouldn't criticise Henderson for having his shot saved by the keeper when clean through, but I'd criticise him for not having the vision to notice an unmarked Suarez alongside him,mwaiting to tap into an enpty net.
Sometimes we just don't play with our brains. Manchester United's game plan is not rocket science. They simply get it wide as often as possible and make sure they deliver quality balls into the box. Their first two goals yesterday illustrate the point. Both were virtually undefendable balls betwwen the defenders and the keeper. Notice when our players get wide, how many times the cross hits the first man or doesn't pick out anyone at all. We need to improve in this area if we are to challenge for the title.
Also, we seem so obsessed with not wanting to be labelled a long ball team that it's got to the point where we play a system that doesn't get the best out of Carroll. No wonder he hasn't hit his best yet. Mix it up a bit and give him some crosses he can attack and we'll see a difference.
To finish, just a reminder that one defeat doesn't spell disaster, especially when it was referee-inflicted. I remember saying to a Man Utd supporter last season, when we were teetering on the brink of relegation under Hodgson that, although we had no chance of the title, neither had they as they playing so poorly. We all know what happened at the end of the season, so there is a long way to go.The message is, support the lads and lay off the criticism and we have a better chance.
redmersey
Good post
skurks
"Let's make no mistake, Liverpool would be level on 12 points with the Manc clubs if it wasn't for refereeing decisions."
Getting the excuses in early are we? Haha.
Matthew...
If anyone can come up with an excuse it's our scouse neighbours, after all they've been doing it for 20 years now their well practiced. lol
Shappy
Matthew you obviously have a LOT of time on your hands...
maka
Sometimes i hate visiting this site due to unjust negativity from our fans aswell as posts that make no sense, i couldn't imagine ever wasting further time visiting on other clubs pages. So Matthew... there is plenty of posts on here that you could easily mock if that's your thing but instead you decide to make a laughable attempt at this one. Redmersey clearly explains that we are our own worst enemies by not killing off games despite our ability. The fact that several key decisions havn't gone our way HAS affected our results, that is clear for all football fans to see.
No excuses just straight up sense, you should learn what that is because i for one love a good laugh from a cheeky poster who is bored of there own club. You could do much better lad.
Can i ask what brings you here anyway?
(i have always wondered)
An honest answer would end my curiosity and end any possibilty of me doing the unthinkable and coming over to your place and disrespecting your club, and doing a proper job of it.
Thanks.
TheRedEye
Matthew and shappy no 1 is making an excuse just stating what has happened, i bet niether of u 2 have ever been to watch ur team play, i live in mallorca and fly over and watch liverpool
Good idea not leaving a name, we don't want our friends at the revenue knowing about your tax dodging schemes. lol
Shappy(who's been to old trafford btw. lol)
Shappy(who's been to old trafford btw. lol but couldn't afford the tickets. lol. but bought a scarf and a programme)
Aww look at the state of your team, the only thing you can throw at me is that i'm poor............apparently. are you stalking me? was that you looking though my bins last night? lol
Shappy
Wasn't me, but was that you looting on tv a few weeks ago?
We didn't have much looting going on in my area.
Shappy
Still waiting for an answer ...oh...i see...(sigh) i rest my case.
TheRedEye
11 Sep 2011 13:16:08
Guys did you all saw Suarez abit upset with Henderson ball flowing .
Who wudnt be? hendo missed a sitter. dont understand why shelvey isnt getting a chance. imo he offers more to the team than hendo.
Indian Buzzer
Go to specsavers then mate lol shelvey offers nothing at all he is rubbish he has just got raw potential he needs to go on loan
m.c.93
Shelveys composure n ball control is way better though he is a bit lazy. I agree that he should be loaned out this season to bolton or fulham if possible, cud be a crackin player for us next season
Indian Buzzer
11 Sep 2011 13:05:19
One important, very CRUCIAL thing in football is constistency, collectively and individual.
It's a quality that in my view we struggle badly with, going back to the closing stages of the last season.
One match we'll look brilliant, world class. Then the next, shockingly below par.
We have this incessant propensity to drift in and out of games.
In the run-in last season we walloped the Fulhams, Citys and Newcastle.
A terrific streak typical of a team at the top of it's game.
Disappointingly, the run ended in bitter chagrin with two consecutive losses at home to Spurs and Villa away.
This season, we started brightly against Sunderland first half but lost our way in the second.
Adam played brilliantly in the first 45 but couldn't maintain it.
Arsenal was a truly abysmal game. Only 3 or 4 players painted themselves in glory.
Came Bolton, everyone was good. Collectively and individually we were fine. Henderson and Adam had immense matches, especially the latter after his abject display at Arsenal.
The standard was set, bar raised.
Would we maintain it? Will young Henderson and Adam carry on from where they left off against Bolton? The Stoke game would tell, and boy tell it did.
The standard wasn't maintained. In fact, it lowered. Adam and Henderson were shocking.
We failed to build on our impressive display and result last week.
Many would notice how I've singled out Adam and Henderson throughtout.
Well, it's not really about singling them out.
I'm using them as they make perfect examples of what's wrong with this team, what's been bugging this team: inconsistency; this inability to build and carry on from what good you have, this on and off thing.
There were many a praise on here and many other forums for Henderson and Adam's performance v Bolton.
It gave all of us hope; we started to believe that yes, yes, it's taking off. They now getting into their strides.
Roll on Stoke, Henderson and Adam don't even look like footballers, let alone ones who play for Liverpool FC.
So they're blasted, justifiably so.
But, as I said, they typify our team, imo. On and off, raise the bar a few high notches one game, then drop it to considerable lows the next.
There's just no consistency, collectively and individually from a number of players.
If we seriously want top 4, this has got to CHANGE, NOW.
We not a team that looks capable of winning 8 on the trot.
If we're to have the remotest chance of competing, those are the standards we gonna have to reach.
Also, I'll again bemoan our lack of a clinical, reliable forward who'll get us goals.
Suarez, imo, isn't the finest of finishers and will instead 8/10 times be provider; Kuyt's not prolific enough; Carroll I see only being an inhibition and hindrance to the team, and Bellamy isn't exactly for his goal-scoring prowess.
In other words, we NEED a Torres/Villa. An excellent finisher we can reliable upon to consistently get us goals.
Whatever your feelings about him, Torres WOULD have had a field day yesterday.
*rupertnorth'xpertanalysis*
I dunno you guys consistantly crow every august that this is your year and consistantly by november the excuses come on out like the ref's don't like you or there is a fa conspiricy to keep you down or some other b*****ks, consistancy isn't your problem your just not good enough.
Shappy
'consistency isn't your problem you're just not good enough'
you totally ruin any credibility by spouting this at the end which is b******s and you know it is.
We've always shown we can play against the big teams, look at last season:
3-1 against united at anfield,
ought to have got the draw in the fa cup at OT, but for an unforgivable dive from berbatov in the first minute
Home and away wins against chelsea
and the 3-0 humbling of city.
consistency is EXACTLY our problem and to say otherwise shows any neutral that you're either clueless or scared of what we can do.
Joe Liv
No it's just that your just not good enough, anyone can beat someone in a one off game but quality players do it time and time again. other than Reina Gerrard(when fit) and Suarez who have you got who would be in the first team of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs? no one that's who. Your only 3 good players are a goalkeeper who has no defense infront of him, a striker who has no support from behind or along side him and a midfielder who is only fit half the time and is approaching the twilight of his career you have no one, That is why you struggle. Carragher is past it and injuries have taken it out of Agger Johnson can't defend, you have pontential in Henderson but no one to help teach him, Adam and Lucas who just aren't and never will be good enough(who would you rather have lucas/adam or Alonso/Mascherano), your right wingers are so crap you have to play a striker there and then you have the lanky alkie up front who looks like he wants to do a Gazza but without the talent or charm that gazza had. And the most shocking thing is this is an improvment on last year. You struggle because your not good enough plain and simple, you can either bury your head in the sand or you can except it, to be honest i don't really care which. I do hope liverpool do get better as i'd rather be beating you to the title than chavski and s**tty.
Shappy
Who the f**k agreed to this P***k's post?
Umm no reply, well i guess you just can't argue with common sense. I'm glad i've been able to show so many of you the light. good luck with your quest for 4th place, personally i'd love to see this current liverpool side play the likes of Barca real madrid and even bayern, then that might really show you how far you've got to go.
Shappy
11 Sep 2011 13:15:30
Jonjo and Maxi yet been tested. Maxi have very good performence last few games in 2010. dont know why he not been picked?
Because he's not good enough to get into the starting 11?
maka
I'd like to see Maxi on the left and Downing on the right, interchanging at times. Suarez off Bellamy against Spurs or potentially Carroll. Lucas must start and Adam needs a stronger game than yesterday.
Papa G
Maxi would have scored the chance Henderson messed up.
11 Sep 2011 12:56:22
Who should get their ears flicked in training on Monday morning then lads ?
The Real KB
That would require some kind of Kinky Girl
Going around licking the ears of players in training!
Must be Carra
And Hendo. He missed a sitter.
Suarez he missed an open goal
11 Sep 2011 12:33:01
Really disappointed about the result decent performance however we lack creativity and a natural finisher. Suarez is fantastic at creating, but I feel we are putting too much pressure on him as we are expecting him to create AND finish.
I know FT 9 is a Pr#ck but god did he know how to take a chance and finish.
I believe andy Carroll is world class but he is a different kind of player compared to FT 9. I feel in January we should consider buying a finisher. Someone when given a chance absolutely punishes the opponent. I am not going to make any suggestions on who to buy ( as that is up to the scouting teams, camolli and the king)
Gerrard's return will solve the creativity problem, but we can't always rely on him so it is best to look for another creative player in January to improve our overall squad.
LFC 2929
Most of our target taking by City with the money they have. in rafa time we Target Silva, Tevez then Kennys time Dzeko, Aguero. Suarez done well hope a top player will join in attack in january. and Hope Gerrard back soon that will help Suarez.
11 Sep 2011 12:29:26
Just watched the match for the 2nd time this morning.
This Liverpool team is stronger, more resiliant, more skillfull and up for a fight more then I've seen of a Red Team in a long time. Having been a supporter for over 30 years I feel justified in saying that.
We have put a team which has 5 new players in it, plus Agger who was out most of last season. It takes time to gel and yesterday we just had a bad day.
What did Stoke actually offer yesterday apart from a penalty, a masterclass in getting your body behind the ball and sticking most of their team in front of the penalty area!
The international break clearly did not help our cause! Plus an off day for the ref who was pretty bad. Although I do feel that Carra was too blame for the penalty!
If we play like that yesterday we will win a lot more then lose. Plus with Johnson and Stevie coming back we will only get better. Imagine the dressing room with Stevie fighting at the helm. And with so many good players around StevieG now, the pressure is off him he will have a great season.
Gents its only 4 games in. KK will get it right - it was just an off day. Get behind the team boys - we will be there or there abouts at the end of the season. It will only get better!
YNWA
Redboysie
Very well said Redboysie...best squad in many many years
TheRedEye
Totally agree. The best and most balanced squad for years.
kidmillions
But every game we've had this season in the league is an off day for the ref's! it is getting beyond a joke now! Alphared
11 Sep 2011 12:13:11
Reina
G.Johnson Coates Agger Enrique
Lucas
Gerrard Adam
Bellamy Downing
Suarez
Bench.
Carra
Skrtel
Maxi
Henderson
Kuyt
Carrol doesnt put in enough effort to make the team IMO
Henderson has got good control of the ball, however his confidence is horrific. he passed the ball back to the gk 3 times yesterday.
LTP
Mate read David Prentice's column in the echo on Friday (I think it was Friday anyway)... stats show that Carroll runs very similar distance per minute as Suarez. It's not hard work he's lacking it's just a little bit of intelligence in his run-making. With time, and good coaching, he'll become unstoppable.
Kieran.
11 Sep 2011 12:12:22
People slating players at the moment are probably people who was giving Lucas loads of stick 2 or 3 yrs ago and he as turned into our most consistant performer. So please think before you criticise and respect the boys in red and give them your support throgh good and bad times.
Mighty Reds
Exactly. it takes players time to settle especially young ones.
henderson and carroll will be right up there with the best of them in 2,3,4 years. this squad was built with one eye on the future.
MIKEY
11 Sep 2011 12:11:42
In the next two transfer windows I reckon we'll buy Christian Eriksen and Adam Johnson. What do you think Ed? {Ed001's Note - I think you are wishful thinking.}
11 Sep 2011 12:02:19
shouldn't Carragher be in New Zealand with the rest of the england squad? ;-) lol
Shappy
11 Sep 2011 12:02:08
I believe Carra's time is up. Coates is ready to play and these mistakes by Carra are proving costly and much as I love the guy he should be eased out of the first team.
maka
IT WAS NOT REALY HIS FAULT YESTERDAY. THE REF SHOULD NOT GIVE A PENALTY
That a 50/50 decision to make. Carra react a bit let as the player body push on him make him a bit unsattle and they striker take the advanteg of it. same kind of foul agenest Suarez not given. and Hnd ball is there too. so 1 50/50 chance go away from us and 2 didnt come. 2nd half is great. but at least a draw is fair result.
I gotta say his speed is certainly effecting his play, as when players pass him it's either they are completely past him or he brings them down.
11 Sep 2011 12:01:37
IMHO and I know the sentimentalists out there will disagree but to move forward I truly believe that we should say thank you to carra, kuyt n spearo. These players hard working as they are and likeable as they are unfortunately are not good enough with the ball. Whilst carra makes the odd brilliant last ditch tackle when he gets the ball it is either a hoof upfield or a throw in.
Kuyt, second touch is always a tackle.
Spearo
What is your ditrabe towards spearing? (spearo)
Once people get to see Coates in action they will understand that alongside Agger we have an incredibly talented centre back pairing and not a bad back up of Skrtl and Carra.
What is a ditrabe? Or did you mean diatrabe? Does Spearo even show this towards Spearing anyway?
Ahhhh nevermind....
TheRedEye
TheRedEye
I see your point about carra but its easy to forget that sometimes the best thing to do is to hoof it upfield or out for a throw.
don't get me wrong i love to see a defender work the ball out of the box but try it too often and you get punished.
Carra hoofed it to Stoke who hoofed it straight back and won a penalty.
So to sum up! Carra gave away possession needlessly and then got the wrong of Stoke player to concede a penalty. Without another Liverpool player touching the ball.
kidmillions {Ed009's Note - I take no pleasure from the fact that I have been saying for a long time that, unfortunately, it is time for Carra to take a bit more of a back seat.}
11 Sep 2011 11:53:04
Hi eds, how can we liverpool fans complain about
Mark Clattenburg to fa. {Ed001's Note - simple answer is that there is no way of making a proper complaint. All you can do is write or email to them and complain about his incompetence. The sad thing is we all know he is not good enough, yet he gets paid very well for being incompetent.}
11 Sep 2011 11:48:50
Hendersons head totally went after that miss yesterday. Hopefully he gets a chance to show he can bounce back next week at Spurs.
The team was good enough to win yesterday but going a goal down played into their hands. They just sat there then.
Thought our changes could have been made sooner. Bellamy looks well up for it
Unfortunately not our day.
Spriggo
11 Sep 2011 11:24:03
Reina has faced 30 penalties for Liverpool - TWENTY- SIX have been scored - a rate of 86.7%. To me deranged mind it says that he is NOT good at stopping penalties. Of the missed penalties on was Champions League resulting in a 0-0 away draw. Three were in the EPL - two defeats and another 0-0 draw. It is difficult to save a well-taken penalty but what annoys me is that he NEVER gets anywhere the ball. If he had stayed where he was for the last two he would have saved them. ELEVEN penalties have been scored against him since he last saved one. He is an excellent goalkeeper and as much a Scouser as JC but he is NOT a great one!!!
Dutchmal
Seem to remember Reina getting a hand on a couple of Utd penalties, one taken by rooney and another, he does get close when they taker shoots to either side, down the middle keepers tend to have no chance hence why most pens are scored through the middle. FACT.
I've just checked again. Reina saved 3 of the penalties - the 4th was missed by Defoe. This means that he has actually conceded THIRTEEN penalties since he last saved one. One hand is unfortunately not enough.
Dutchmal
U knw a penalty in the top middle in a penalty kick has a 100% record of a goal
Goalkeepers are never favourite in a penalty situation, all the top keepers including Pepe struggle against penalties
What utter bullsh*t!
maka
I remember when he came to us he had a good record of stopping pens, shame he dont save as many anymore but you cant blame a keeper for not saving them. blame the team for conceding them.
pepe is the best keeper in the league, lets back him up.
MIKEY
This is a joke right? well now we've officially seen the fans here point the finger at every last player.
a keeper is never expected to save a penalty. nor is he expected to 'get anywhere near it', but when Pepe does, he usually saves it.
Had he stood in the middle for the last two pens and they been placed either side of him he'd've looked like a mug.
It's a bloody guessing game!
There isn't a single person in the entire world I would rather have between the sticks for liverpool. give me a break.
4 out of 30 is not good in any subject you can think of.
11 Sep 2011 11:23:07
played 4
should have won 4 to :(
11 Sep 2011 11:19:26
Some supporters on here make me feel ashamed to be a red. Bill shankly created a club that at the time was a sleeping giant. The fans of the city and the club stood together - regardless of results. Please consider this. Why did you start to support Liverpool football club? Was it because you are fortunate to be from the City or surrounding areas? Was it because your fathers grandad was from Liverpool and it was passed down through the enerations? Or was it because Liverpool football club once dominated England and Europe and through the success bred a fan that some would suggest was a glory hunter? Have a think about it and consider what it really means to be a red. Liverpool fans are all as one - regardless of location - but some people just don't understand.
youcantkidakidda
The most eloquent post I've read on here for a long time. Unfortunately it'll go way over the heads of those that it's aimed at
AC
11 Sep 2011 11:14:22
If you look at the big 6, Utd Spurs and Arsenal have had the toughest early games. Utd have come through this and look unstoppable. Arsenal and Spurs however have struggled . Chelsea have yet to face a top 4 challenger and City have faced Wigan and Swansea. Id say our opening 4 have been tough. So Citys early postion was predictable as is Chelsea. We must now beat Spurs then take Wolves.
11 Sep 2011 11:10:03
Morning All,
Gutted about yday. Spoils your whole weekend.
Ash, Rupertnorth etc, I respect yr posts and hope u continue. We need debate, alternative views to keep the site fresh. I don't know how old you lads are, but for some of us of a certain age it can be really frustrating watching the modern Liverpool.
However, what can you do ? We can't just leap from the shambles of H&G and RH's time, straight to a shiny new stadium and league-winning squad in one season. There's gonna be pain, the wind and the rain. Until it comes good and the ecstasy will taste all the sweeter.
But let's have reasoned debate on the site, Passion - yes, but not nastiness and in-fighting.
Oh and beware the unsigned Manc fifth columnists.
As the saying goes "dont panic, don't panic !"
The Real KB
11 Sep 2011 11:09:09
AUGERO is so over rated! he's not good enough for the EPL! LOL! :-)
Anyway, lets look to the next game, it will be interesting to see how Lennon gets on against Enrique, this will be a good test of pace. Then there is Gareth Bale vs Glen Johnson, Adebayor vs Carragher. Spurs always try to attack so we will always have space to play the counter - it will be an open game and with players like Downing, Bellamy, Suarez, Gerrard and even Adam (if he keeps his head) we will make plenty of chances so it should be great entertainment.
Spuds (away) draw
Wolves (home) win
Everton (away) draw
Johnson is out (hamstring); Adebayor >> Carra (slow, prone to penalties). Don't have hopes for this game - draw at best. SingRed
Is Johnson becoming Aurelio mach2? Pity Kelly looks like mach3 in the making. Hope I'm wrong, but can see us signing a top RB too in Jan.
11 Sep 2011 11:00:31
What's a man got to do to get something posted Ed?
The Irish Rover {Ed001's Note - well to start with you could send something in, I have not seen anything by you in days mate.}
11 Sep 2011 10:53:52
Match fixing report tommorow on ssn.
Sounds intresting wonder if the ref was anything to do with it yesterday? seriously am sick of them giving decisions wrongly against us!
Skurks
Get over it mate. If the players hit the back of the net we wouldn't talk about it.
youcantkidakidda
Well i think most fans still would, don't like to complain but the refs decisions have been shocking against us of late even kk can't hold his lip any longer an has come out to complain.....
Will it not be to do with the turkish league?
cant see it in the english game, despite the greed, money and dodgy transfers i just cant see match fixing in england, you would get caught out.
anybody got any info on this? eds?
maybe it was the 8-2 man united arsenal game. maybe someone put 1000 quid on that result and won a few million lol
MIKEY
No mate watch it tomorrow 7:30 ssn they showed a clip asking a question to one of the match fixers an they ask him does it go on in english football an he reply's yes that i know of!
11 Sep 2011 10:50:13
Back in the day Liverpool fans used to be famous for getting behind the team and supporting each player 'through the wind and the rain'. It seems like there's some proper fans on this site but too many are miserable non-supporters. I just sincerely hope yous don't go the match. The famous Anfield atmosphere would be dead with the likes of you lot booing every misplaced pass and shouting at young kids learning their trade like Hendo and Carroll. It takes time to build a great team... Ferguson nearly got united relegated in his third season and look where he took them. Don't expect miracles overnight we'll get there. And if you can't or won't support our players then you don't know what it means to be a Kopite.
Kieran.
I've just posted a similar post mate. Well said. Let's go out of our way to let these kids know.
youcantkidakidda
Kieran, are you one of those who supported Konchesky & Poulsen? Or one of those who also slated them? SingRed
I supported them, despite knowing they weren't good enough. At the end of the day, it wasn't their fault they didn't have the required quality. Getting on their backs would only have made them perform even worse. Anyone wearing that shirt should be supported as long as they're working hard. There's enough people (fans of other clubs, London based media etc) ready to have a go at our players so it's up to us to defend them, support them, and hope they improve. If they don't, have faith that King Kenny will replace them.
Kieran.
Totally totally spot on fella. At times it was sooooo hard defending people like konchesky to my mates, but I still did it because the way I see it that's my job as a liverpool fan. To see the players' attributes and stubbornly ignore their faults, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
Still tho you can't be too harsh to people on here for discussing the faults, because the way I see it the only time you're allowed to slag off your own team is when you're talking to other reds.
So for a lot of people this site will be the only opportunity they have to let the mask slip for a bit.
That's what i like to tell myself anyway.
Also, for interest's sake, there's only so many times you can read "man i love Liverpool" or variations thereof, before it gets really boring.
Duckula
11 Sep 2011 10:48:17
Andy Carroll: the-not-so-super-sub
Matthew... ;)
Mathew: the unsupporting supporter....
JRG
Spot on matty mate;-)
Shappy
JRG - You think I support Liverpool? Haha.
Matthew...
Did someone say something? Has someone farted or do i just smell verbal s***e?
youcantkidakidda
I would actually be worried if I was a Manc fan. You guys only win the league when you start slowly....
Think your neighbours have your number this year.
Fensh
Let the mancs enjoy themselves guys. They only have 2 seasons left in them. Coz once liverpool r up, everyone else is goin down. Mancs s gonna be wetting their pants come the 2013-2014 season. Whos gonna look after them once fergie is gone?
Indian Buzzer {Ed004's Note - I am sure there will be more than enough managers willing to replace the great SAF}
I noe there wil be decent managers out there ed. But they r gonna struggle just like we did when kk left. fergie is irreplaceable.
Indian buzzer
He is irreplaceable but kenny won't go on as long as Sir Alex which means you've got 5 years of having him back tops, you've already said that the only person who's been able to replace kenny was him when he came back and you've said it'll take another couple of years to get back to the top. so what will you do when kenny leads you back to the cusp of the top then leaves? who will replace him then?
Shappy
Stevie or carra will be groomed for the job by kenny before he quits.
ED004 - A bit like when Sir Matt Busby retired then?
And you think they will be good enough? no experiance and little tactical knowledge.
Shappy
Look what Kenny did being player manager then manager! and Ed004 are you a United fan? Alphared {Ed009's Note - He is, yes.}
To ed004 n shappy:
we survived without kenny for 20 years n won the champions league wid rafa. kenny hasnt been our manager for 25+ yrs so it wont be as big a setback for us as it wil be for u wen fergie leaves. I just hope mourinho doesnt take over at OT coz i have a bad feeling he mite.
Indian Buzzer
11 Sep 2011 10:42:09
Everbody needs to calm down a bit, stop worrying about the mancs and chelsea because they are in a three way battle for the title and like it or not were not, our squad although a lot stronger than last year is still miles apart from our competition,
4th place is the target this year nothing more nothing less, as soon as we regain CL status we will be able to invest more heavily in the squad which has just gone through stage 1 of a complete overhaul,
we still need 3 truly world class players, winger, creative midfielder and striker, i also feel we made a massive mistake spending so much on henderson and caroll, buying young players for the future is all good but they need to be at the top of their game like coates, henderson is nowhere near the standard required, shelvey is a better player.
Jaydee
Its only been 4 games, your far too quick to judge the team. If we had taken our our chances you would have been saying that we are contenders! If you take Rooney out of utd you really think they would have won so convincingly? Or Augero out of City? Gerrard is a world class player and will come back strong adding quality finsihing and creation, Bellamy showed his quality when he came on for brief debut, he will provide alot of quality and fight, Glen Johnson adds further to creating and finishing chances. Judge the team at Christmas we are fitting more new faces in than any other top team.
11 Sep 2011 10:33:40
LAST SEASON AFTER 8GAMES MAN UTD HAD 14 POINTS
We cannot let our heads drop fans or team if we can collect a similar tally after 8 we are still in the fight for 4th
We are gonna play badly at times this season we will throw away wins but we cant stop believing. Last season even with Woy there were times the top 4 were begging us to catch them up but BELIEF WAS GONE.
Spurs will be tough but we must be ready. They are away on Europa lg action the Thurs before. We must also know that while City and Utd are miles ahead at the minute team wise they are both focused on UCL games midweek from now till Dec.
So lets dust ourselves down learn from the game and start preparing for the next.
Dont Buy the Sun
This year after 8 games UTD wil have 24 points
11 Sep 2011 10:28:53
the cold liht of day is upon us and we reflect on another away defeat whilst others win away at bolton and sunderland.
lets look at the evidence
definate penalty against Delap - handball how did the ref miss it
Stoke penalty - very dubious,IMO not a penalty
Henderson clean through should score,if that was luis its a goal
penalty claim near the end - seen them given but IMO correct decision
Suarez chance 9/10 he scores that just snatched at it
overall, chances made LFC on top,possesion lfc on top - stoke shortened and narrowed the pitch to stop us playing and make it easier for them to close down and keep it tight.
a good performance that on another day would have been 2/3 nil and a comfortable win however the gods and the ref conspired to deny us as King Kenny has said big decisions this season have gone against us - performance wise apart from 45 minutes against sunderland we are playing well,confident good passing and creating chances lets not be doom and gloom there are 34 games left and 6 of those are against the 3 big clubs above us now so no need to panic about 1 unlucky result.
liverpool will move forward and push but what is important is we dont get into the mentality of last yhear when we couldnt win away and we didnt believe we would win as negativity spreads easier than posotivity remember the glass is now half full and we as a club are moving in the right direction
bigg2966
Stoke penalty, absolute stone wall, carra may as well of just rugby tackled him,
KK is right so far 100% of crucial 50/50 (and a few 99/1) decisions have been given against LFC. Now I'm no statistician but I'd have expected something closer to 50%! Even in the win against Bolton we could have had at least two penalties which were nailed on but weren't given. so far this has cost us at least 3 points.
The first thing about becoming an adult is that you accept when you are wrong!
We were beaten, that's it, face up to it hiding behind BS gets no one nowhere!
The current team is not top4 standard
Adam is not alonso
Henerson is well not good anyway
Carroll should be good but he is disappointing for whatever reason
Suarez is lost by himself up front
The midfield is about as creative as bob the builder on a bad day
We badly need a right back
Johnson and kelly are always injured. Kelly has been injured now for longer than Gerrard. His injury satarted last March.
Martin S. is just not good enough we should have got Cahill
Agger is not sure whether he is an attacking midfielder or a defender with a wonky left foot shot
We are very limited
Time to look at things objectively and put the heart away and use your loaf
Shrek
Hiding behind BS Shrek? the two game's we've dropped point's there's been BLATANT! very bad ref decision's! Sunderland! Richardson should of walked and Carroll's goal should of stood! 2 point's dropped! Stoke! apart from their penalty which should not have been one we had two clear penaltie's! another 3 point's dropped! so barring those bad decision's we'd be joint top! so that's hiding behind BS is it? feeling aggrieved for bad decision's! i think you should start using your loaf before posting BS after our first reverse of the season! Alphared
Do you think that every club apart from Liverpool have all the decisions go their way?
Of course not!
Crying over something you cannot change is stupid, the results still stand live with it or wallow in self pity!
Enough chances were created against sunderland to win the match the fact they were not taken is another matter.
Enough chances were created against Stoke to win the match the fact they were not taken is another matter.
Relying on others to help you out to win is foolhardy when the Liverpool players could have put the result of both matches beyond any dodgy decision.
Making up BS excuses for being 5 points behind after 4 matches helps no one. So the ref needs glasses, so the ref gave the wrong decision. If the chances to score were converted more often a dodgy decision would not matter.
A striker who knows how to find the net is needed
Shrek
11 Sep 2011 10:27:52
Will people stop bashing Carra? As I saw it the other guy hit him first...not with a shoulder charge but pretty near assault to the neck/head. Ref should have given the free kick the other way in my view!
Iggypop
PS did anyone notice how much better we palyed than last season? IT is still early days Get behind the team/sqaud and give it some time!
Just about to post the same thing, if Carra had gone to ground when he was initially barged then it would have been a free kickto us. Wish people would stop moaning at least we're exciting to watch now, unlike the previous two seasons (bar a few games) I actually look forward to watching us now
TC
11 Sep 2011 09:50:10
this should be our line up for much of the season:
Reina
Johnson Coates Agger Enrique
Lucas Adam (Suso)
Downing Bellamy
Henderson (kuyt)
Suarez
Carragher should no longer be starting games, was once a top centerback but everyone has there day and his time is coming, would be good cover as sub. skyrtel should be sold in summer and replaced. we need to give players like sterling and suso and maybe adam morgan a chance to show if there upto the level required. i feel having bellamy on the left or even just behind suarez will be a quality partnership. RedTurk
Reina
Kelly Coates Agger Enrique
Gerrard Lucas Adam Downing
Suarez Carroll
Johnson will prob be injured most of the season so Kelly in (hope he can at least stay fit). Buy a quality RW in Jan. Hendo as backup for Gerrard. Bellamy to come on for last 30min's for Carroll.
Are you not forgetting about a certain Mr Gerrard.
Couldn't agree more about the carragher point in this post. Even though it never was a penalty he was still caught out just like last minute against Bolton and we just aren't lethal enough up front yet to get away with consistent mistakes at the back. Time to partner agger with coates/Kelly/skrtel and still use Carra to close games out late on.
Merf
This is not the first time Carra has been caught napping. It's not his fault. He gets chosen to play and he does his best. We should have a better option in his place.
11 Sep 2011 09:47:39
Guys why are you some of you worrying, we played well for the full 90 minutes, we should have scored at least two and only through a combination of excellent defending and poor finishing we didn't, and we only lost due to a poor referee performance. We are so much better than we were a year ago and to those slating Carroll, yes we paid a lot for him but he is 22 years old, he can play for at least another 10 years hopefully for us and I honestly believe he has been decent so far. No he hasn't scored all our goals but be isn't the same sort of centre of attack he was for Newcastle and he has to adapt to a whole new style of football we play and he is a lot better on the ground than most give him credit for. To those of you worrying about the two Manchester clubs and chelsea getting further ahead of us, did you really think we could compete with them. Two of them have spent ridiculous money and the other has one of the most savvy managers of all time. What I'm saying is that we are on the right track and I will happy this season even if we don't make fourth as we finally have a team and owners we can get behind.
RedRush
Very good post. I watched the game myself and although we were not brilliant the performance was not bad. The teams above us have a very fluid front 5 players who are currently playing to a very high level. We will have to play to the max of our current potential to get 4th pace at least. These teams are not going away and in 2 years we can see how the gap has got wider. Sam armchair
11 Sep 2011 09:24:34
People love jumping on the bandwagon just cause Meireles set up one goal but everybody knows he plays one good game every five or six. People need to start trusting King Kenny whatever decision he makes is best for the club whether it is now or in the long run. People need to stop questioning his plans and get behind him. We are on the up.
Ok, so if Meireles goes on to have a belter of a season playing in a slightly deeper DM role (yes amazingly a DM role as so many claim he is so weak in the tackle) will you you come back on, sign your name and give us your most humble apology?
We are all behind Kenny, but I think a lot of fans liked Meireles and believe if we had paid him what he was promised (which wasn't 250k a week) he would have happily stayed and played a role for us this season.
Fensh
Mirelles always played as a defensive midfieder for porto, when we bought him i assumed lucas would be moving on
Jaydee
Lucas will never leave. Unskillful, untalented, uncreative yet hardworking nice guy players always seem to last. Carra and Kuyt also spring to mind. Hendo is another one. Spearing will somehow become a legend one day.
Meireles showed some glimpses of creativity but because he didnt hack people down he wasn't right for us. Suprising that i have seen Hendo bottle out of a few challenges since he has arrived but not spotted by anyone....
Lucky we didnt sign Mata. He is way to creative and skillful for us.
Ok, bit tongue in cheek, but you can see where I am going.
I can see youre going to Stamford bridge every weekend
cozinoz
No I can't see where you are going
If you something to say, say it, without the code
11 Sep 2011 09:21:23
guys i agree that we are PLAYING much better AWAY.. thats a big improvement...we played much better than stoke and the henderson chance does make a big difference to the outcome of the game... and yes they put 10 men behind the ball so its hard..
but i still have to say....we FAILED that test of beating a lesser team when we need to be closer to the other big teams....
u do realise man united will def beat stoke away..and man city..and prob tottenham somehow.
my problem with liverpool is this..........we NEVER win games when the pressure is on to win it.
next week...we will not beat spurs away..thats a fact best we can hope for is a draw.....which then leaves the other 3 big teams pushing further on
That's really positive isn't it but I get what your saying about not beating lesser teams but try and be a little more positive
Well one thing is sure you will at least play well against Man Utd ,seems thats the only time your lot can get yourselves up for a game
Pardoe
We humbled citeh, n beat chelski twice. We didnt beat just ur lot did we?
11 Sep 2011 09:09:44
I've had the amusement of some people desperately bigging up Carroll's prospect.
Interestingly enough, the more they pluck out the "he'll come good" platitude, the more it appears to me that he WON'T.
They KNOW it. They know his was an expensive blunder; a panic-acquisition that's only proved one thing: why he SHOULDN'T have been bought.
"Carroll will come good" is not so much an expectation informed by insight as a faint hope.
He's a function of the sort of poor short to medium-term decision-making that we trying to move away from, ironically.
As for our team, we NOT as good as we've lead ourselves to believe. To say that a league title is a proper for the next 2 or 3 years wouldn't be an exaggeration.
The Manchester teams very clearly showed us that yesterday.
Chelsea will grow into the season. I see them comfortably getting third.
Us we'll be in a scramble for fourth Arsenal and Spurs, a scramble our prospects of winning I doubt.
Arsenal have more technically-savvy players than us.
Games against the Stokes of this world will present them relatively little problems as they have the ability to break them down, carve them open.
I've said it time and again, take out Suarez and you'll see the real Liverpool: hoof, hoof, bugger all finesse.
Kuyt, Carragher, Adam, Carroll, Henderson lol!
Against an Arsenal team virtually stripped to the bones, we could only huff and puff our way till the saviour Suarez and Meireles(who in his infinite wisdom our manager decided to ship out) came on.
We couldn't bloody convincingly beat a depleted Arsenal team playing with a trio of diametrically UNPROVEN teenagers.
And we sit here saying to ourselves, "all very well, chaps. Title could be on."
Deluded.
Next up is Spurs. I've already heard talk of how we going to "bounce back" in this game. I think not.
A brief look at our recent results against them:
2009/10: Spurs 2-1 Liverpool.
Were it not for Pepe (respect to you, Senor) and some really awful finishing by mainly keane, the scoreline would've been absolutely Zatknight.
Liverpool 2-0 Spurs
2010/11: Spurs 2-1 Liverpool
Liverpool 0-2 Spurs
In three of these games, we were comprehensively outplayed. Modric dominated our midfield last time out, AT ANFIELD.
We've conceded 3 goals in four matches.
Spurs are a very good attacking side at home.
They WILL create and, with Adebeayo, will likely score.
They, along with Sunderland, are the reasons why yesterday's game so crucial, why we HAD to WIN.
Having failed to collect 3 points against Sunderland, and likely to lose at Spurs, we simply HAD TO WIN yesterday. Any lesser result was NO option.
As it is, we now five, FIVE bloody points behind first and second place; three behind Chelsea.
Lose against Spurs and Arsenal win, we'll be some 8+ points behind 1 and 2, level with Arsenal and and only 1 clear off Spurs.
And some tosspots tell us, "it's still early times". Bugger that!
This was the exact same thing that was said last season when that embarassment Hodgson was sinking this club to the bottom of the ocean.
"It's still early times."
Well fook ye!
*rupertnorth'sxpertanalysis*
This guy is so right..........we HAD to beat stoke....and even pundits before saturday are saying its a test of liverpool belief and can they win when it matters.
and we failed that test
i know we wont beat spurs already we just slip away from being contenders and slowly fighting for a crap spot of 4th or 5th......and before u ppl moan...how many times have u heard harry redknapp say.."why not" when asked can spurs win the league.....liverpool for many yrs dont have that belief they can win it...always 4th 4th ...so losing a few games doesnt matter...............face it..we r not good enough at ALL
Agree. No doubt Blair and the deluded crew will be all over you for your view though.
Ash
Spurs only play one way and I think we will find it easier to play against them. I had a feeling we would get nothing at Stoke but I think we will win at Spurs. Spuds have problems this season, Arry on his way out.
Fensh
You just don't get it do you,we have great owners,manager and a much improved team.
The club as set a long term plan,and wow if we get a crap 4th spot that's an improvement from last season.
Redeyedhector
Did you genuinely believe we could fight for the title this season? We are rebuilding, with 7 new players coming in. It takes time to gel. Be patient.
I think you scousers can get 4th spot and if you do I see that as a huge leap tbh
Mind you may be fighting for it with stoke lol
Pardoe
11 Sep 2011 09:06:16
We need a deadly Striker partner with Suarez. Kuyt Carrol is not the right one.
Why did we buy Henderson instead of Mata again?
We did'nt buy Mata because he is not English!
Henderson was our first buy and our priority makes you wonder!
The King should be under scrutiny and be held accountable for his errors
ITs easy to stop Liverpool just stop suarez, the rest have no creativity
We badly need Gerrard however before he gets up to match fitness it will be into november
Its unlucky for suarez he was bought to partner Torres. Then Aguero rumer there. Gerrard not fit yet. we need another top class striker.
{Ed006's Note - Have to say I agree with this, I didnt think we did but we need a finisher. We dont have one in either Suarez or Carroll and Bellamy wont be here for long. I think this season we will get into the CL and then progress from there.}
11 Sep 2011 09:03:51
our job is half done Downing, Suarez doing well but we need atleast 2 more player like there quality. sad to see Meirles perform very well.
11 Sep 2011 09:00:44
We have a Good Transfer activity until Raul Meirles sold. Raul have a good partnership with Suarez. look at he play in Chelsea. 80 passes 97% of them are correct and creat a goal for Sturrdge. Meirles Cover the gap of Gerrard injury . we have promise him a pay incrise but we didnt do that. and try to sale him from start of the transfer window. Henderson is a future player he have to learn a lots befor a team man. Sad to see Suarez Run alone striker in 1st half. Belamy make a good pair with him even for few minutes. Downing done realy well Hope Gerrard back soon.
Meriles and aqua should of stayed but lfc do not like those players at least we have spearing
Stop digging up very old dirt. Meireles would not have won the game for us and neither would have Aqua.
We had lots of chances and we simply didn't convert them. It was a very unlucky day for us. Look at the stats, we just couldn't finish.
This happens to every club at least once during a season. Hopefully this was our 1 unlucky time and it will not happen again. The players are extremely upset and it has deflated our energy. Kenny will pick us up again, no doubt about that. Hopefully we learn from this and keep plugging away.
Carroll needs to score. He is the striker and that's his job.
11 Sep 2011 08:34:23
We must say things as it is.
It was nailed on penalty and it was carra's mistake.
Replays showed that he brought down walters if it had been other way on Suarez we all would be asking for Red card as well.
What annoyed me most was the fact that carra not even after game acknowledging that he made a mistake.
We played lots of good attacking football,if we become ruthless in front of goal we will do very well this season.
For me we must learn how to win matches when not playing well.
This was a setback for us.putting aside his nil price tag and considering spurs slow deference I would put Bellamy in for Kuyt up front and maxi for hendo.
carra should be on bench its his hoofing that annoys me most.
Red indian
11 Sep 2011 08:22:40
Man Utd and Citeh off to a flyer and our much improved squad have had a slight wobble in a predictably tough fixture. Bigger picture perspective. Better squad, better performance and better prospects than last year equals progress. Man U have massive momentum and Citeh have pots of cash and a mercenary elite. To put it another why I can't imagine Harry Redknapp is looking forward to next weekend, and you can take that to the bank. Top four still on. L19Red.
11 Sep 2011 08:14:01
I think it's fair to say we're missing a player like Gerrard who has that direct power and drive in midfield. People talk about him starting on the right but personally I'd play him next to Lucas in the middle. Play Carroll up top with Suarez, possibly Maxi and Downing on the wings.
Playing two actual wingers would help us, Maxi has a great knack of scoring and arriving late, which we need. He can also play right or left and interchange with Downing. Carroll will become more effective as his confidence grows and he should occupy defenders allowing Suarez etc to roam.
I'm not going to moan about yesterday as it's been done to death. I do however want to praise Bellamy for his impact. He's still very quick, has good awareness and predatory instinct. His match fitness and finishing will come with time.
One thing that was evident yesterday is that we lack pace on the wings to stretch teams. The left side works with Enrique and Downing. Whoever plays on the right be it Kuyt, Henderson or whoever definitely needs an overlapping fullback to create space for them to drift inside, as they're not out and out wingers. I prefer Kuyt and think he can be quality with Johnson or Kelly behind him. Skrtel was poor there yesterday, but Johnson unfortunate can't have been fully fit, frustratingly he's injured again. The sooner Kelly gets fit the better.
Onwards and upwards anyway. A point next week will do but a win may silence the doubters once more. A Carroll goal or two would help too.
Papa G
Johnson looked overweight and still injured when he came on yest. I don't think he will ever be the same player again, been constantly injured for a while now. Perhaps him and Aurelio should be moved on.
Papa G
Well said however we should be allowed to voice concerns
11 Sep 2011 02:20:15
hmmmmmmmm........... very poor 1st half n second was average..... saurez n downing were made silence by upson n shawcroosss.......... pooorrr carrager,poor ref, skertal poor, hendo worse,adam made various miss passs n one thing is lucas... he wasn't ruunnning nor was tackling nor was giving rite passs, aggain impressive enrique n agger n next game i will swap lucas with gerred n bellamy n caroolll with kyut n hendo n jhonson came n watch the game being ideal.... that man is gone!! bt i think caroolll mst have played for kyut cauze we lack some1 dring 1st half set-piece.... i thnk we will definetly win next two game without doubt...... what can we do when 10 men r defending??and we were so so so unlucky....in kenny we trust!! we r stilll 3 n 4 point a head of our top4 rival n i think we will b competing for top 3 n 4 nt title this season!!!!!
plz ed post it... addicted as hell............
ynwa..........
Arsenal have a large squad and when we beat them they were ravaged by injury and suspension as this situation improves arsenal will improve and liverpool and spurs will be fighting for 5th place
This liverpool team is not good enough
We need a RB
We need a striker to support Suarez
(not Carroll or Bellamy)
We need two creative midfield players (we had two where did they go?)
We need Glasses for the REF
Then we could achieve top 4
However we are years behind UTD and Citeh
No I don't want to support either of the above however without realistic expectations its will be a long difficult season
11 Sep 2011 00:56:34
Did I just see Mark Clattenberg on TV leaving the Britannia Stadium wearing a black eye mask, black and white striped shirt and carrying a swag bag over his shoulder...
Cuchulainn's Hounds
11 Sep 2011 00:54:56
Maybe todays result will be a reality check for everyone of us who were getting a bit carried away - as usual it has to be said. We drew at home to a side that has not won a game since, beat a reserve Arsenal team, and put 3 past a Bolton side that has only won 1 game and got battered again today. Come on - we have an improved squad, but are still way, way behind the top teams. For me it is the same old feeling now - we go to Spurs next week, and I just don't have any confidence in us getting a win, or even a draw for that matter. 3 points today would have been a real boost, but once again we fell well short. Same old, same old.
KBL
Thank feck someone has seen sense..can somebody please tell me where r goals r comin from..the mancs r scoring at will..bet any1 we scrape a win at bolton
atlfc70
You two are talking nonsense
JJ blackpool
We beat Bolton already...
I think they make perfect sense. It's that false feeling again after two decades. Carra should be on the bench. He has caused us two penalties in a row!! Otherwise he is going to cause us valuable points with his silly tackles. Consistency is what is lacking in Liverpool for the past 2 decades. Had Carra not given away that cheap penalty and Henderson tuck in a goal we could have won. Maybe luck was not with us but in Carra's tackle that was sloppy and stupid.
I agree, after playing so well you've got to be confidant of getting something at spurs. Every team has those games where you can't score to save your life but as long as you keep playing inthat way and controlling games like that, we'll win more than we lose or draw. Remember Stoke have lost 1 in 15 at home and conceded 1 goal this year so was always going to be a tricky game. Just really unlucky. Bring on the yods
Bilverstone
Aren't you guys fed up of saying we were unlucky....cant see any other teams like MU MC Chelsea being unlucky. I am starting to get this sick feeling again like everything is against us. I think the Liverpool coach must have run over some monks. Why are we not getting any luck
S
11 Sep 2011 00:20:23
gutted!v v v unlucky.clinical reqd now every!game.staeting at spurs,then see sides off!n f.f s!!
Mate its nothing to do with luck we just cant take our chances even ones on a plate like luis was and we defo cannot scrape out a win when we need to, do we know how to exploit weak opposistion, break down stubborn defences, im gettin a feelin of de ja vu where we r relying on one player to change a game and im sorry but someones gotta say it but how many results is carra gonna cost us this season with his silly mistakes?? sorry for the rant eds but its better out than in dont u think.
ynwa
tommy c
11 Sep 2011 00:18:14
got! to finish!boys.nice passing,la de da etc.but sland first half!onion bag!finish!!!!
11 Sep 2011 00:14:00
hi eds a question to you please do you really think that refs can be biased and therefore give the wrong decisions in matches? which position would you strengthen if it was up to you.
hibsylfc {Ed001's Note - they are clearly influenced by teams that get in their face and bully them, just as they are by a vocal crowd. That is why rugby do not allow players to get in the official's faces. Clattenburg is, at best, a poor ref, he is terrible most of the time. Why he is a Premier League ref, earning good money to be one as well, when he is clearly not up to the task, is beyond me. As for positions, just a right winger now I think. Then we would only need top class players to improve the team.}
Thankyou for the prompt response, I am 100% behind KK and all the team but just feel upset that we lost which is a normal reaction, we will win the next game I have great faith in our team and we must not forget the prem is not a sprint it is a marathon!
hibsylfc
11 Sep 2011 00:11:08
gutted!typical stoke.tw ted them. got f all, again!
11 Sep 2011 00:09:57
how the f**kn did we lose that? dont lose faith boys. very unlucky! alls i wana say negatively = is we must!!!! be lot more clinical infrontve goal! suarez cant! do all on his own. bellamy got! to start. adam (who i like)-poor. hendersen = worse. got! to beat spurs
11 Sep 2011 00:07:45
Liverpool Fc to bid for cahill and Adam Johnson in January, it's just a hunch
No they won't, another hunch.
Blair Mayne YNWA
Hope not for cahill..john terry is better and thats sayin somethin
atlfc70
Wud prefer marin over adam johnson. More complete player. N i think we shud go for another cm like sissoko. Adam is too sloppy n lazy. n for a cb, i wud take subotic or hummels. Btw, am i being too greedy?
Indian Buzzer
Anyone to replace that Carragher. At this moment even Titus Brambles is better than him!
I'll get me boots
11 Sep 2011 00:05:52
Clattenburg should be relegated for his performance today he was horrific
I thought he should have got man of the match, he looked like the only one out there with some will to win.
11 Sep 2011 00:02:25
miereles to sturridge gr8 2nd chelski goal-joy-not!
10 Sep 2011 23:49:14
I posted last week that Carragher is the most over- rated player that we have had since the war. I was of course abused by the "Lovers of the Legend"!. I still think that but I also believe that he was unlucky today with the penalty - he may have been a little slow but in my opinion he was fouled before walters went down. I also believe that when we get a proper crack of the whip we will be a force to be reckoned with. We are far better than twelve (or even six) months ago. Just give the lads (all of them!!) the support they need.
Dutchmal
How is holding onto a player and pulling him off the ball unlucky? if it was shawcross on suarez you guys would be screaming for him to be sent off too for such sneaky underhanded cheating.
Shappy
No doubt Carra was fouled in the first place but why can't he fall theatrically instead of pulling Walters down who did a good job of falling? Carra needs all the support on the bench!!
I wouldn't - so don't try and suggest that I would. Just look again and explain how you can pull someone forward and he can fall in the opposite direction. Having said that the sooner that Carragher is dropped the better.
Dutchmal
No doubt walters made the most of it but had carragher not put his arm around his waist and pulled him away from the ball then the ref wouldn't have had a decision to make. Carragher in the last few seasons has been nothing more than a rugby player. He shouldn't be your first choice centre back or even your 2nd 3rd or 4th he should be there to pass on his experiance and only play if he has to.
Shappy