Liverpool Banter Archive November 11 2010

 

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11 Nov 2010 23:53:26

1. LB - We would not have problems with a left-back if we kept Riise. He was always extreme quality, especially going forward. he's strong, fast and has a killer shot. Taiwo is much like him so I think that would be the best option to repair our left defense. Urby Emmanuelson would also be a good choice and can provide cover on the wing too. (i would pick contrao but we will get outbid for him). .
Taiwo - 8-11 m
Emman - 13 m
2. Winger - Mata has flair, pace, tricks, and a wicked left foot. would add width and pace to our attack. Great quality, 22 yrs old, excellent scoring record, and not injury prone! Second choice would be Balázs Dzsudzsák(23), Xherdan Shaqiri (18), Valentin Stocker (21) or Eden Hazard(19). Marko Marin and Dimitri Payet are not good enough.
Mata - 17 m
Dzsudzsák - 11 m
Shaqiri - 10 m
Stocker - 10 m
Hazard - 15 m

all have great attacking qualities and can finish

One to think about might be giving ex-Barcelona prodigy Gai Assulin a trial. Great record in Barca reserves, versitile, quick, and young (19)

3. Striker - As much as everyone would like aguero, get real. Some young prospects are Jonathan Ries (21), Luis Suarez (23), Mirko Vucinic (26), and Itay Shechter(23). All 4 have great goalscoring records, Ries might be a little unproven and just going on a string of luck. But i saw him and eh looked sharp, same with Schecter. Different types of strikers than Torres is. .woudl all compliment him nicely.
Ries - 9m
Suarez - 22 m
Vucinic - 17 m
Shecter - 9 m

ideal squad
Reina
Johnson Carra Agger Taiwo/ Emmanuelson

Mireles
Cole/ Shaqiri Mata
Gerrard

Torres Ries/ Suarez

total cost in = 45m. completely doable with a solid transfer kitty and sales (babel, skrtl, kuyt, aquil - even though i think we should give him another shot)


-RedRevival

 

 

11 Nov 2010 23:52:53
Roy Hodgson has 30 years of Managerial experience , yet has possibly already made too many mistakes for LFC Manager .

There is no real sense of purpose or optimism .

1977

 

 

11 Nov 2010 23:51:02

10 points out of 12, 4 wins out of 5, 6 games unbeaten. The manager has had less than a third of a season. Last night was an improvement on last season in terms of result AND performance. Yet some impatient, petulant children want to start an internet campaign against their manager. Ever read the words to YNWA? Get a grip of yourself and stop ruining the reputation of the best supporters in the world. United we stand, divided we fall. Get behind the team.
RED HERRING

Oh, i see how it works, if people don't agree with you then they are children, that's a great argument, well if people don't agree that Hodgsons crap then there ugly, do you see how calling names makes you look pretty stupid? And isn't it Roy that's ruining our reputation, we are not a team that plays to not lose, we play to win and YNWA means always standing behind our players through thick and thin, it does not mean supporting a totaly inept manager that makes us look stupid everytime he opens his mouth

YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 23:37:54
Only 42 hours until LFC play Stoke .

Another game the team have to win .

1977

 

 

11 Nov 2010 23:35:21

The players Hodgson brought during the summer was with a limited budget, so we cannot complain when he doesn't sign world class players.
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Most fans understand his constraints when buying in the summer. What we don't understand is why he continues to play garbage players like Poulsen. WTF did he substitute an attcker (Kuyt) with a DM (Poulsen) against Wigan when we had to go after the win? Because Hodgson wanted to save a draw, that's why. If you want Hodgson around, get used to draws and mid-table finishes (so I can't see those world class signings coming in to play for us) - LIVERPRES (Roy out)

 

 

11 Nov 2010 23:23:10

People need to read what they are posting on hear some fans on hear are starting to sound like a lynch mob. I was never happy with roy s appointment in first place and now after a lot of very bad interviews I believe I was wright . But hey we are stuck with what we've got. Unless we lose a few on the trot then I think he s hear till end of season nesv are a wear of the problems but I think they want to give him a chance with some better players. I think yesterday could of been a different story had steve g shot hit the bar a little lower it would of been a goal same with lucas s hot a little more to the left and all the fans would of been talking champs league I think we have been the victim of bad luck and poor buys of players none of witch is roys fault I think he should take a risk use the youngsters a bit more. But we as fans need to support not just our team but our club

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 23:14:11
Watching Liverpool FC Champions Of Europe ( With British Commentary ) Years 1977 , 1978 , 1981 and 1984 on Youtube .

Amazing how determined to attack all of the players in the team are . Centre backs stepping into the midfield , Full backs becoming wide midfielders , Centre midfielders playing as second strikers , Wingers playing as far up the pitch as the Striker and the movement of the No. 7 bringing the wholeplay together .

Incredible team work . Often 6 or 7 players in attcking positions , 8 or 9 players defending all over the pitch , then breaking at pace keeping position in the final third and winning the ball back as soon as possible - even full backs chasing the ball 70 yards from their own goal . The role of the No. 7 . . pivotal .

Ball appreciation , creativity and bravado .

Tremendous .

1977

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 22:47:52

10 points out of 12, 4 wins out of 5, 6 games unbeaten. The manager has had less than a third of a season. Last night was an improvement on last season in terms of result AND performance. Yet some impatient, petulant children want to start an internet campaign against their manager. Ever read the words to YNWA? Get a grip of yourself and stop ruining the reputation of the best supporters in the world. United we stand, divided we fall. Get behind the team.
RED HERRING
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I'm always 100% behind the team RED. But how can i be 100% behind the manager if the players arn't?

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 22:26:22
Having seen various names linked to us from all corners of the globe I am very happy to see players such as Kevin Doyle who would be a great asset for nando and the team with ref to work rate and skill levels, he is a player who I am sure would score more goals himself with better players around him and I would see this as a step forward for lfc.
Another player who has been mentioned here is Chris Brunt from WBA watch this lad he can cross the ball with a magical left foot in a similar way to Beckham and he would be a major improvement for us on the left hand side of midfield.
Marco

 

 

11 Nov 2010 22:24:42

All you 'so called' Liverpool fans wanting Roy Hodgson out already should be ashamed. We are only 12 games into the season with a new manager and new owners, and all this after a terrible last campaign and everybody seems to be expecting over night success?!
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I was a fan of Rafa overall but in fairness to Roy he was left a pretty poor squad bar a few stand out individuals (such as Gerrard, Torres, Reina etc. ). Liverpool FC have always been loyal and fair to managers and given them time so I don't see why now should be any different. Overnight success is not realsitic and all these 'fans' calling for Roys head should be ashamed. Give the man a chance at least. Dont judge this early on in his reign and for goodness sake start to get behind the manager and get behind the team.
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On a transfer point. .
Would like to see an offer for Hulk made. Think he has the strength and pace to make it in the prem.

Cheers

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 21:48:45

Look boys, Liverpool football club are not to far away in my opinion, 2 signings in Jan, a winger and a striker.(Jarvis, hammil, Doyle, hulk) the main problem is the management team.hodgeson plays with a holding 2 banks of 4, our players are suited to pressing, get in there faces like the 1st half v Chelsea, as for anew defender, why, wilson and Ayala, midfield Lucas, Shelvey, stop worrying we just need to play to our strengths, your thoughts ed? {ed's note - I think that we are close without signings, but add the right pair of players and we have no excuse.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 21:48:35

"So can some one answer me if we were tired after playing chelsea that was the reason for the "tired display" against wigan"

Yes most of the players will be tired, that's why arsenal did 4-5 changes, chelsea did the same , united and city made even more changes so did spurs and Villa , even Blackpool made 10 changes.
A good manager (in particular one that is managing a side in Europe) need to know how to rotate and have more faith in his squad, ok we know we have n't the full depth, but Roy could have:
Rested Maxi and played Jovanovic instead
Rested Meireles and played pacheco or eccleston from the start
Rested Gerrard or Lucas and played Spearing or Shevley (in his more natural position)
Rested Kuyt or Torres and played Ngog

Now what happened is we dropped 2 points the players are even more tired, and Stoke is much harder opponents than Wigan.

Roy

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 21:41:31
I wud like us to change our formation and play the way barcelona do with a 4-3-3 we have the players too -

reina
kelly carra agger konchesky
meireles lucas gerrard
johnson torres cole

lucas can protect the bk 4
meireles n gerrard do wot xavi n iniesta do for barca
johnson n cole can keep the crosses goin 4 torres

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Of course it is all about 'Attacking'
We have played 4-3-3 before with many of the same players that you have mentioned , but never does the team impose out & out attack on the opposition .

It is amazing that Barcelona can play 4-3-3 with their front 3 (Ronaldinho , Eto'o , Messi) then (Henry , Ibrahimovic , Messi) and now with Villa and Messi in the front 3 , still keeping an excellent defensive record , yet LFC seem scared to play that system with such attacking intent because LFC has become incredibly defensive minded since the late nineties .

1977

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 21:19:55
11 Nov 2010 21:06:48

I wud like us to change our formation and play the way barcelona do with a 4-3-3 we have the players too -

reina
kelly carra agger konchesky
meireles lucas gerrard
johnson torres cole

lucas can protect the bk 4
meireles n gerrard do wot xavi n iniesta do for barca
johnson n cole can keep the crosses goin 4 torres
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mostly fine. except that lucas never has been, nor will ever be a proper "holding midfielder". when he plays for brasil he is an attacking midfieder. and to be honest he is a much better player when he does so

chris 1

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 21:18:49

So can some one answer me if we were tired after playing chelsea that was the reason for the "tired display" against wigan

will we be tired when we play stoke i got a feeling stoke won't be tired

if we are tired these are professional sportsman asked to play football 3 times a week i ask myself why?

are they getting pushed to hard in training or are they not getting pushed hard enough we are not in pre season now where you can blame that

from what i have seen this season they are not being pushed hard enough

they seem to concentrate on not losing and


so from what i have read a point at stoke on saturday is a very very good point we are concentating in traing not on physicsl fitness and stamina but the players are being trained in tactics to only defend get men behind the ball and not lose

i would sooner have roy evans back winning games 4-3

FOR CHRIST SAKE ROY SET THE TEAM UP TO ATTACK AND WIN THE LIVERPOOL WAY


ed is this the liverpool way to set up a team to not lose and is this the future for liverpool football club i always thought part of the liverpool way was to set a team up to win? ?


Tazz YNWA {ed's note - in my opinion it is not the future, just the present, until the right man is found.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 21:16:52

Cheers ed, appreciate the congrats. . i'll let you all know how the birth of stevie kenny jamie ian robbie Sami john kevin fernando pepe macca * * * goes. . may be problematic if it's a girl. . maybe steph. . OLA!


The all seeing aaaaiiii! {ed's note - that is one hell of a name for a boy!}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 21:06:48

I wud like us to change our formation and play the way barcelona do with a 4-3-3 we have the players too -

reina
kelly carra agger konchesky
meireles lucas gerrard
johnson torres cole

lucas can protect the bk 4
meireles n gerrard do wot xavi n iniesta do for barca
johnson n cole can keep the crosses goin 4 torres

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 21:00:41
It's incredibly radical that LFC supporters are criticising a Manager after 12 League games and 9 Cup games , but of course there has only been a very brief few moments to cheer in that time .

Similar to the Souness era in that respect . We can still win the Europa League and the FA Cup which would be some form of saving grace for Hodgson .

How do you think Kenny Dalglish would change things on the playing front? I remember when Roy Evans succeded Souness , pride in the shirt and defending better turned things around with young players such as Fowler , Redknapp , Mcmanaman finding more confidence .

Would Dalglish commit to 4-4-2 or a new modern formation and would Kenny Dalglish pass and move with passion just like before or would we be taking a little gamble again ?

We only want to see the team attack and keep clean sheets , surely it is still possible .

1977

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 20:59:39

I think the owners should just get there own manager in now, i seems to me that every1 who support's roy has the same argument. give him til christmas, or longer. i have just 1 question for you what are you expecting liverpool to achieve under him, finish 4, win the fa cup or win the europa league. yes it would be nice but is it possible. also to the lad who thinks he is gods give to mankind because he can spend a fortune on going to watch football. we get it you've got lots of money to spend well done you.
also the roy hodgson 'nice guy act' is wearing thin, im sorry but such a nice man could not annoy and disgrunte so many people, i mean i've never seen pepe so p*ssed off

always a red

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 20:43:01

11 Nov 2010 18:46:14
Dalglish finished Premier League runner-up with Newcastle in his first 6 months and then finished mid-table and an FA-Cup runner-up in the following 12 months - many of the players he signed to rebuild Newcastle became mainstays of the side and the Premier League for many years .

At Celtic , Dalglish was a League runner-up and won the Scottish League Cup at Hampden Park having only inherited the Managers role during the season .

Kenny Dalglish's Managerial record is :-

4 League Titles
2 FA Cups
1 League Cup

4 time League runner-up
2 time FA Cup runner-up
1 time League Cup runner-up

4 time Manager of the Year Award

588 . . Games Managed

322 . . Games Won
148 . . Games Drawn
118 . . Games lost

Kenny Dalglish is younger than Wenger , Ferguson , Redknapp , Houllier and Hodgson .

Clearly a Great Manager for Liverpool Football Club .

An incredible Managerial record over only 11 years .

1977
 
 
No one can question his ability or career as a manager. To be honest, he should have been appointed before Hodgson.
Out of all other contenders Dalglish is amongst the very top.
But for some reason the club and board don't want him with this responsibility.
I'd say about 60 to 70 percent of the fans would love a return. In my opinion he would be great again.
I personally can't see him ever getting the job.
I did say that after Benitez Liverpool would get a no arguementative yes man as manager then we end up with Hodgson

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 20:39:57

Thinks it time for Roy to go he has had 10 games and seems happy with a draw at Wigan this week , these are the games we need to win to get us into the CL

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 20:33:49

Liverpool fans debating who is the better fan, the one's who go to all the games or the ones who watch on telly. Perhaps you should get behind your team more. It sounds to me, that it's not only the club & players feeling down, but also some of your so called fans.

 

 

 

 

{ed's note - to the poster below, sorry I meant to say congratulations but posted a bit soon.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 20:25:18

On a tangent. . .just found out the missus is preggers. . conceived in Spain a month ago. . middle name should be fernando. . she thinks not. . didn't see that one coming! !


The all seeing aaaaiiii

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 20:11:53

I've been playing FIFA and I'm quite amazing I think i should be next Liverpool manager. I could get players like Messi, Villa, Ramos etc. Pfft.

RR

 

 

11 Nov 2010 20:11:06
Can we just agree to disagree on the whole roy debate. its becoming silly childish and personal. I am more than happy to debate why i think he is the wrong man. but how on earth does someone posting personal attacks against other poster move the debate on one bit.

I have posted very similar things as Blair and yet havent had half the abuse this bloke has had. i am not defending him, he is capable of doing that himself, but more to illustrate that its not a debate anymore but just turning into a slanging match.

If anyone wants to debate and defend roy , then out of curiosity (i really want to know) please answer the following

1; What will it take for you to lose faith in Roy?

2; How long do you want to give him?

3; Do you like the football we are utilising at present?

4; If it was ok to complain about H+G, Rafa's transfer dealings, etc then why can't we about roy?

If possible a name would be nice. but that's optional.

chris 1

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:55:20
To ynwa

Tommy walsh, how do you come up with the conclusion that arm chair supporters are more important than the anfield faithful. I go to every home game and travel nearly 300 miles round trip costing around £400 a month in tickets, food and drink whilst at the game and the odd bit of merchandise . I also pay £61 full package for Sky HD plus and an extra £9 a month for ESPN. So what your saying is your more important than me because you sit on your arse at home watching the match and spend at most £70 a month which goes to SKY, ESPN etc. Get real mate. . . . . . . Sc* thorpe Red. . . . . .Y.N.W.A

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Whilst i understand your point. .there is a glaring fault in your logic. No one is saying any fan is more important than any other, but can we please get away from this rubbish that just because someone goes to the games at anfield that makes them some sort of superbreed. Please explain to me how the hell a SUPPORTER who lives in australia, or cananda is supposed to get to the games, , their only conduit for watching is tv. or do they not count, they buy merchandise, they may even subscribe to lfc tv, are these not true supporters then?

Liverpool is a global brand. let me say that again GLOBAL brand. and so we should be. and i for one will not denegrate anyone who supports liverpool but can't get to the games.

chris 1

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:52:23

This is ridiculous. I am from the Republic of Ireland it is costs a lot of money to go to any matches in england. I have a lot of respect for supporters who go to every match, but for some of us it just isn't possible. I am actually ashamed that a fellow red would insult people who are die hard fans, and frankly LFC does not need 'fans' like you.

RePuBlIc Of ScOuSe

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:47:43

Just heard holloway's interview after the game last night, that's the kind of spirit and passion needed to lead us forward, im not saying him personally but having a guy like that in the dressing room would have any1 set for a game, pity about the accent though i doubt fernando or pepe would understand him

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:36:34

ROY to go DUTCH to help get his team playing his way.

FREE CLOGGS AROUND BOYS!

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:23:14

Just been told by my secret source, that Roy is planning on buying five fullbacks in the January, he wants to play his dream football which is a new formation of 1 10 0


YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:13:31

To Sc* thorpe Red:

You are either just out for an arguement or have totally misunderstood the point I was trying to say. I was just making the point that all fans are entitled to an opinion regardless of wether they are season ticket holders, Fan card holders, or just supporters who watch the games on Sky. I work shifts so am unable to attend every game, plus not always able to afford to attend every game, Not sure where you get that I just sit on my arse watching Sky from?

The Anfield faithful (of which i'd like to class myself part of) is the Heartbeat of Liverpool FC, and our supporters are famous all around the world for being the best in the business. I don't think it would be untrue to say that on occassions the supporters have probably won games by themselves, but the fact remains that armchair fans DO bring more revenue into the club than gate reciepts.

Also, you say you goto every home game and it costs you £400 a month. The Most expensive tickets are £45 and we play at home on average twice a month. So you spend £310 on petrol and food? Not sure what car you have or how large you are but that's bit excessive in anyones book. I travel from South Wales, its a 340mile trip and it costs me £60 in petrol. You say travel 300miles so we'll call it the same. So roughly you £125 on food and merchandise every time you goto a game. Plus, you say you spend £70 a month on Sky TV. You go to all the home games, So basically you are paying for Sky TV to watch Liverpools away games. Bearing in mind that We are not always on Sky (They normally are) its sounds like your wasting quite abit of money.

If my original post has offended Anfield regulars, apologies, as that was not my intentions. I was just trying to point out that no-one fans opinion counts more than the other, in my book

Tommy Walsh

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:11:50

Paisley was the man. He built fantastic teams. Henknew the way he wanted to play and bought players to carry it out.The way he dealt with players was ruthless.Shanklys team was gone within 4yrs.Replaced by one just as good or even better.He sold Terry mc for more than he bought him.Jimmy Case sold before his best yrs, because he wouldn't behave himself off the pitch.People who say he couldnt do it now are full of carp.Captains like Emlyn and Thomo, were told Thanks lads goodbye. I know a lot of shanks lads werent keen on him.But they respected him.I agree though Ed he was the best ever manager.Nice man yes.But so Ruthless.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:11:38

Hey guys!
This is not a rumour, but a fellow Red who needs some help. I want to take my brother to Anfield (he's never been) & would love to get tickets (any game) at the Kop end. Is there any chance for a non season ticket holder?

 

 

11 Nov 2010 19:09:06

Please help i am a carer @ fedup old peoples residential home and one of our long term residents went missing some time ago.He shows signs of indiscision and nervousness that to some may seem like he is daydreaming for example he told us he was a manager of high repute.He was last seen heading in the direction of Liverpool and answers to the name Roy please do not approach him directly as he is known for being defensive and may talk bollocks .HIPKOP07

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:56:58

Ed , do you think Roy is not looking for the same kaliba of player as us as fans have come to expect at Liverpool and he should raise his bar higher.cheers psv elnino {ed's note - I think he has the wrong idea as well, it is not just that his signings are not of the required quality, but also the wrong age. He seems to target players of 29 and older, it makes no sense if you are trying to build a team for now and the future.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:46:14
Dalglish finished Premier League runner-up with Newcastle in his first 6 months and then finished mid-table and an FA-Cup runner-up in the following 12 months - many of the players he signed to rebuild Newcastle became mainstays of the side and the Premier League for many years .

At Celtic , Dalglish was a League runner-up and won the Scottish League Cup at Hampden Park having only inherited the Managers role during the season .

Kenny Dalglish's Managerial record is :-

4 League Titles
2 FA Cups
1 League Cup

4 time League runner-up
2 time FA Cup runner-up
1 time League Cup runner-up

4 time Manager of the Year Award

588 . . Games Managed

322 . . Games Won
148 . . Games Drawn
118 . . Games lost

Kenny Dalglish is younger than Wenger , Ferguson , Redknapp , Houllier and Hodgson .

Clearly a Great Manager for Liverpool Football Club .

An incredible Managerial record over only 11 years .

1977

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:43:22

Ray wilkins? ? ha ha ha ive heard alot ov s* t on this site but that's gotta be the best

on to some serious stuff, stoke has bin a bit of a bogey team for us in the past few years, so that has to be are primary concern forget bout jan an forget bout roy for the time being an focus on supportin our boys on what will no doubt be a very tricky away game

ed your thoughts ? {ed's note - shame they have started to get some wins together, we have got them at the wrong time I think. I still think it will be a close game, but last time I predicted us to lose 3-1 we beat Chelsea 2-0, so I am going to see if it works again and predict us to lose 3-1!}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:38:45

Paisley was ruthless Ed.Carragher would be gone by now if Sir Bob was here.Players were giving opportunitys, but they were let go if they weren't upto it.your right about the way of playing though. He wanted centre halves who could play the ball out of defence. Best way of defending is to attack. {ed's note - I know he was ruthless, but he was still a nice guy about it, he just wouldn't put up with anything less than the best. The greatest manager of all time in my opinion.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:35:14

11 Nov 2010 18:20:42

If players like Danny wilson and pacheco are not going to get an opportunity to play under RH why not loan them out to get valuable experience for the future.Danny's talent is being wasted, wasted.

I wonder why we even signed these players when we don't use them at all. We have had no player into the first 11 from the academy on a long term basis for years.
RH please go home and let us all move forward. No insults get what many off us want.
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The Wilson transfer from Rangers was verbally agreed during the Rafa era last February. Rangers needed the money. He is highly rated but obviously not by Hodgson. I can't believe Hodgson will be in charge by christmas.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:31:53

To throw my two pence worth into the arguement that seems to starting on here between posters and the ED. Actually armchair fans are probably more important to clubs than those attending the matches. The money clubs are given through Sky and other TV rights from around the globe, which is generated from armchair fans far outweighs gate reciepts. I am Welsh and it costs me well over £100 to come and watch a game, which throughout the course of the season gets very expensive. I would love to go to every Home and Away game but it is just not feesible for me, but it doesn't make me any less of a fan, or my views any less important than a season ticket holder.

I agree with this!
It's like those silly fans who believe fans should only come from Liverpool city.
If that was the case Liverpool wouldn't be as big as they are. As we all know a fan base determens a clubs size and revenue.
Just take no notice of these silly fans. Most supporters will say a fan is a fan regardless

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:27:05

Can anyone tell me what a stricker is? i can't understand why everyone wants us to spend a fortune on a world class one when what we really need is a world class STRIKER? hope roy doesn't listen to the crazy fools who want a stricker cos if he does we are in the doodoo.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:20:42

If players like Danny wilson and pacheco are not going to get an opportunity to play under RH why not loan them out to get valuable experience for the future.Danny's talent is being wasted, wasted.

I wonder why we even signed these players when we don't use them at all. We have had no player into the first 11 from the academy on a long term basis for years.
RH please go home and let us all move forward. No insults get what many off us want.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:10:31

Tommy walsh, how do you come up with the conclusion that arm chair supporters are more important than the anfield faithful. I go to every home game and travel nearly 300 miles round trip costing around £400 a month in tickets, food and drink whilst at the game and the odd bit of merchandise . I also pay £61 full package for Sky HD plus and an extra £9 a month for ESPN. So what your saying is your more important than me because you sit on your arse at home watching the match and spend at most £70 a month which goes to SKY, ESPN etc. Get real mate. . . . . . . Sc* thorpe Red. . . . . .Y.N.W.A

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:09:42

The team beat chelsea the wkend because of the overwhelming support the team gets at home from playing the big teams making the team perform. it had nothing to do with hodgeson believe yes unbelievable no"

Amazing. And most people supported this comment! So, we beat Chelsea purely because it was a big home game with massive support behind the team. Nothing to do with the manager. So that's why we always win the big games at home. . um. . wait. .something wrong here. .

IDIOTS

If people are going to slag RH off when the team loses or draws, suck it up and congratulate him when he wins.

IDIOTS

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is it not rumoured that gerrard blanked roy in napoli game and played his own game. yes ok we should suck up to roy for bolton win?? bolton was wofull roy is bad at liverpool end ov. its been the name that is carrying the team that we carnt lose not roys tactics.( wich i can not see except to defend) can anyone tell me a game this season that had a good tactical sence to the game?? ?? you want us to stand by roy give us a reason to say ok we been blind and nieve, and i will for one will hold my hands up. after chelsea game i did hold hands up and say yes suprised with result but i was on the high of the win, when you watch cpl days later that second half was totlay dif from first

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:05:32
The main concern with the team presently is the quality of the play , there is ismply a lack of class during most of the game , with the players seemingly satisfied with only reasonable effort .

1977

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:05:08

Liverpool don't need a nice manager we need a ruthless manager that won't settle for second best and doesn't wait till the 89min to get off his arse and shout at the players being a nice fella will never get you far in life what you say ed?
king henry {ed's note - I don't know Paisley and Fagan were genuinely nice guys, but that didn't stop them winning trophies. The difference was the way they set out the team, they weren't spending their time looking to defend for 90min. They would spend hours finding weaknesses in the opposition and look to exploit those weaknesses to gain a victory. Roy has a different mentality, he looks to avoid defeat first and foremost.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:04:00

It's only been a month since the takeover, are we playing so negative because of the takeover saga in which way we should see improvement, which we did in the Chelsea game, or is it down to Roy and his negative defensive format. By now I think NESV will have a good idea and if not they will probably give him a fare crack of the whip being a month or two. What is important if there is going to be a change it need to be actioned before the start of December to allow the new manager to assess his options before the transfer window opens.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:02:41

Maybe, just maybe, we need to stop baaming him and look at the players involved - maybe they had it too easy under Rafa! {ed's note - Danny Murphy moaned about the training and how repetitive and boring it was, how it was designed to stop the team from conceding but very little thought given to attacking football.}
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Come on ed, I'm not a fan of Roy's ways and I don't believe he is a long term manager but Danny Murphy was overall very complimentary of Hodgson. what you're doing above is taking one part of what he said out of context to suit your agrument against Hodgson. we hate it when some in the press do this to attack Liverpool so lets not do it to ech other {ed's note - I agree he was complimentary about Roy, but he was talking about how Roy had done well with Fulham. I agree he did well with Fulham and I also thought he would be good at settling the ship and getting things back on an even keel until a takeover was completed. But surely it is obvious that, nice guy that he is, he is not the man to take the club forward?}
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I agree with you that Roy isn't going to take us where we want to be, just think we need to be fair and balanced, we can't use parts of what previous players said against him as to be fair 99% of them had only good things to say.

Fitzy {ed's note - it was only to illustrate that even those who have been complimentary said the same things about his training methods. No one has actually enjoyed them, even those, like Murphy, who are overall a fan of Roy.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 18:02:20

Just going to the game does make you a better fan, just look at all the hooligans who mar the game on a regular basis, at the grounds, are they better fans than me, who watches the game due to passion for the game and for the club, but cannot get to the games due to time and money restraints, yet i spend every spare moment looking at developments with our squad. .

Andy Bootle

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:59:09

Everybody saying get off R H back.Can you honestly say that you have enjoyed the tactics he as employed this season, they have been so negative.He plays 2 banks of four fifteen yards apart. He bought Konchesky and Poulsen who what ever you say are a waste of 8 million and two youth players.He as completely isolated Agger Pacheco. Ayala sending him on loan is a joke.I support Lfc, but i don't have to like the way we play.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:58:39
EDITOR
this is concerning the COWARD as he is affectionately known, hehe, i have to say that it is up to the poster to put a name on the post or not its optional, but if you don't its natural for somebody to give you a name, any way for what its worth i feel the EDITOR is doing a remarkable job i find most of his comments i share his opinion, but he puts his opinion up for debate not for anonymous people to disrespect, we all want the same thing at the end of the day some want it faster than others, i feel roy is too stuck in his ways and not the man for LFC and if people want to get a bigger voice to get there feeling known, so be it, im arl school and still believe never boo or slag our players off in public, this has changed the fans booed poulson last night sad but true, i find i can let steam off on here after a few hours to cool down this has to be considered when replying to posts, but if you constantly post insults you will be known as the coward BOB PAISLEYS SKIDS {ed's note - I could never boo a player at the match, it is just something I couldn't do. I prefer to get my frustrations out here, though there were a few times during the Souness era I felt like booing!}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:57:16
I just got told this ed. wat do ya think?

'Watching Liverpool play is like watching lesbians go at it. Sure, it's appealing, but pretty soon you realise theres no penetration at all'

lol

harry5:) {ed's note - it's funnier because it is so true!}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:51:52

So when do we think we're ever going to spank a team 4-0 again?

Personally, I don't think we will this season, certainly not while we play the absolutely mind numbingly boring and negative football that RH obviously favours.

For those who bark on about 'true' supporters back the manager because that is 'the Liverpool way', how does that blinkered view stack up when the manager's footballing philosophy is totally opposed to 'the Liverpool way'? ?

I'm getting sick of you 'true' supporters slagging off everyone else who cares just as passionately about the club as you do. Just maybe the rest of us take a wider, less blinkered perspective and, as a consequence, have a less tolerant attitude towards mediocrity.

Frenchy.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:45:59

The Wigan game was a joke. I don't think I can remember the last time I have seen Wigan apply that much pressure on a team. Ed, you seem like you follow a lot of football, do you have any idea?

Also, the Comolli/ King Kenny rumour makes perfect sense, however I'm afraid it is no more than that. Whoever is responsible for it should probably apply for a job at the Daily Mail! Clever. {ed's note - I can't remember Wigan being allowed to play so freely by anybody since they got into the Premier League to be honest. Normally teams know they like to pass the ball around so they get in their face and press them, force them to move the ball quicker and look for mistakes.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:45:55

Im a Liverpool fan living in America so Im very familiar with Henry and how he has run the Red Sox. Im actually a Yankee fan so I pay alot of attention to the Sox. He is a very good owner, don't compare him to Hicks just because he is American.

Henry will spend money but at the same time he won't just throw money at problems. He will spend money wisely with the long term more important than the short term. He is willing to sacrifice the short term for the long term. He'll spend the cash but he will want to know why the player being targeted is worth the money and how this player will fit into the team and make the team better.

Lastly with the Sox he was one of the first to put into place the new kind of front office. In the old days a team would have a general manager who would usually be an old ballplayer. General Managers now in baseball are more and more really smart, Ivy League educated people. The GM is the decision maker, he will rely on sscouting and statistical analysis to make decisions. The manager will not be the main guy in transfers. The manager will be expected to implement the long term philosophy of the club as a whole. The manager will not be the driving force behind the club.

Basically don't expect Henry to go nuts spending money in January. Thats not to say he won't spend money then if the player is right and the price is right. He won't spend money to appease fans and he won't spend money in some desperate attempt to get into 4th place.

He is a good owner who is very smart and will learn the sport and the EPL quickly. He will then put into power the right people to run the team, he will fund the people he puts into power well enough to compete with anyone in the world. However don't expect massive amounts of cash spent right out of the shoot.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:42:51

As Liverpool Football Clubs manager, Roy Hodgson should have the backing of every TRUE liverpool fan. .
Give the man a chance for christs sake!

He inherited a fu* ed up infrastructure both on and off the pitch also a team of injured misfits and now people are demanding a treble winnig season. . .fickle or what. .
Roy should be given a medal for even agreeing to take this job on as he was well aware of the situation regarding the owners and player unrest, where as he could've stayed at the "cottage and basked in the glow of a europa final place and tried to improve his teams league finishing place and therefore almost cementing his next job as England manager. . .
Roy has gave up a lot for this exclusive job. . lets cut the man some slack. . .

so what your saying is roy was right or had no other option but to change to defencive after torres goal against wigan just because were away from home. is that the liverpool way, or is it not a fulham away tactics? for you to say that what is it you have seen from roy to be given hope that it will change??

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:33:07

Poulson and shelvey not good enough surely pacheco, amoo or even suso would of done better last night why does woy not give them a chance.what ye think ed? {ed's note - I think that is harsh on Shelvey, though it did make no sense to bring him on as a right winger when he is a central midfielder. It seems like we are back to putting round pegs in square holes while the square pegs are sat on the shelf unused.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:28:55

Ed, bk me up plz ed bt if we gt rid of pacheco thn our whole clubs set up a pisss tkin shambles.i knw its a rumours page bt those sorts of posts rile me whether it b true or untrue.our club is nw SUPPOSED 2 av a start wiv the young n nuture type philosophy.didnt we bring tht commoili in 2 dictate there.LISTEN RITE JST f*ck OFF WOOOOY!he ent gotta clue.PRICK! red pants {ed's note - he is giving some youngsters a chance, Shelvey and Eccleston for instance. It is just that Pacheco and Mavinga are not getting the same opportunities.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:20:58
11 Nov 2010 16:24:27

I would say it is you that has a minimum knowledge of football my friend. You say our current plight has little to do with RH which is where I disagree with you. I'll agree the state of our squad/ team has little to do with him as he inherited 95% of it (ok he bought Poulsen who is useless, but Meireles looks good). I feel Roy is to blame because of the undeniable negative tactics he employs. As soon as we lose the ball we get our 4 defenders strung across the penalty spot with a bank of 5 midfielders in front of them on the edge of the 18yd box. It doesn't matter who you play against, if you give the opposition enough possesion without pressing the ball they will create chances.
Do you really think that a point against Wigan is good enough? More to the point do you think that performance/ strategy was good enough? As an avid LFC fan of course I want to see them win every game, and I'd love to see RH succeed. And, If we had gone to Wigan and really had a go, tried to win, tried to play entertaining football, I like most fans would be alot more sympathetic towards Roy. Even if we had gone searching for a winner and ended conceeding a 2nd, i'd be more forgiving, But we didnt! He showed when he brought Poulsen on that he was happy clinging on for a draw. An approach like that will not get us back into the top 4 and challenging for titles.
Maybe, as you say, I am one of the majority that has a 'minimal amount of football knowledge', but league tables don't lie, and at the moment wether it be Roys fault or not, it ain't good enough. And for me, with Roy in charge it never will be!

Tommy Walsh
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I agree with Tommy, I want RH to suceed, but I want to feel entertained and try and win things, I know hes inherited alot of his squad, but even with that squad you can see the tactics are wrong (in my opinion), I want to see good football and it just not happening, If i knew Roy was going to make changes in January and change the way he plays football then I would be happy, but I don't see why he would, that's his tactics, When he joined I was hoping he would come in and inspire players get them enjoying football and use his mam mangement skills on some of the underachievers like Babel, it hasn't happened, and now im worried that come january it will not only take allot of convincing to keep our best players but it will take allot of convincing to get new quality players to come. I always wanted Rafa to succeed but when he left I felt a bit of releif because I felt we needed something new, a fresh start, players had become dissalusioned and now I feel the same way again. It dosent really matter what I think ofcourse, at the end of the day its down to Liverpool as a collective organisation, the owners, management, players and fans. I just think we have waited long enough now and we deserve some decent football.
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For what its worth i agree completly with the above 2 posters.
I honestly don't think anyone hates roy the man. i believe him to be a decent honourable man. but i strongly disagree with his tactics, his press conferences, i just don't think he is the MANAGER to lead us forward.
If everyone uses the stick that roy inherited a "bad" squad then that same stick has to be used against roy. why didn't he buy better, buy what we needed

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11 Nov 2010 17:12:05

In response to this:
11 Nov 2010 16:42:00

As Liverpool Football Clubs manager, Roy Hodgson should have the backing of every TRUE liverpool fan. .
Give the man a chance for christs sake!

He inherited a fu* ed up infrastructure both on and off the pitch also a team of injured misfits and now people are demanding a treble winnig season. . .fickle or what
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Yes he inherited a crap squad, so why make it worst by wasting transfer budget on konchesky and poulsen, he could of made better signings and maybe we wud be doin better. he has had time and not once has there been a perfromance that we can all say "we dominated for 90MINS, and got the scoreline to reflect the performance", if u can find one of those games plz tell me!

E.H LFC

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:09:43

Would anyone fancy ray wilkins joining the coaching set up? Did well at chelsea and also at milwall whilst he was there.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:06:33

11 Nov 2010 11:13:03

Ed wats Dimitri Payet like never seen him? {ed's note - to be honest I am not sure, I have not seen a lot of French football recently, but from what I can gather he mainly plays as a winger but can play pretty much anywhere across the front or as an attacking midfielder. I couldn't tell you if he was quick or strong or good in the air though.}

I watch a lot of french football and in a nutshell hes a pretty good player, hes fast, good on the ball, has creativity & flair, pretty good crosser and possible most importantly consistant. but tbh i wouldn't pay any more than 10mil for him, ED do you think we will get him ?
MansfieldRED {ed's note - just pretty good? Is he going to be good enough to be a first team player for the future? I think we have a chance, but it is hard to say as it is going to be down to Comolli and NESV to decide where the money will be spent.}

I say pretty good as he won't set the EPL alight, but he will definately do the job well and give width. I think he could be excellent player with some nurturing

MansfieldRED {ed's note - do we not need better than that though? I mean shouldn't we be looking for players who will set the league alight? Otherwise it would just leave us in the same position as we already are with squad players rather than top players.}

ED your probably right but i'm not sure we can attract world class players at the moment. but if i were to choose a top winger from france i would pick gervinho and i think he'd cost about 15m, not sure if he'll come though

MansfieldRED

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:02:36

TRANSFER KITTY
bill shankly when liverpool manager had to go cap in hand to the board every time he wanted a player, and threatened to resign almost annually over transfers if its good enough for bill shankly its good enough for them all,
personally i don't agree with roy getting an open checkbook to spend as he wants, the signing of poulsen by roy has put me off big time, also if they let him buy big players for big money does that mean hes here for the long term? we cannot make mistakes in this transfer window that's why the french mans opinion has been requested, its mad.! employ a dog then bark yourself
bob paisleys skids

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 17:01:12

ha i know roy is playing too defensively however look at what he's got as his disposal we really need to step it up in Jan players like maxi shouldn't be in our starting line up. pick it up lads im going to the stoke game cmon! 3 points would see us cruise into 6th or maybe even 5th nothings changed boys LFC COME ON!

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:58:23

My main problem with Roy is the football he plays its been said already its play not to lose which i don't like, the league is so tight at the moment its not as bad as it looks. We have players like Stevie g, Nando who should be allowed to exspress themselves and they are not able to under Roy.He has also told Pepe to releasing to ball quick on the counter attack, how many goals has he helped to create doing that

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:47:06
I'm loving the banter on this site today ed.
I hate people who just attack other peoples opinons, and then don't leave a name.
Everyone one has a different opion. If you don't agree then just put your point and why u don't agree and then be done with it.
I don't agree with the hate campain. But i do think hodgson should leave. I do not hate him, i just belive he is not good enough to manage us, and its in the best interest of the club for the present and the future that he leaves.

Rijkaard is the man to take us forward and blood the yougnsters into the first team. He will give the likes of pacheco the chances and confidence which he needs to be a great player for us.

Harry5:) {ed's note - I just think Roy came in and compounded the errors made by Rafa. We all knew that the club needed wingers, a striker and a left back, and that they needed to be top class first team players and not the average squad players Rafa kept buying. But Roy came in and bought 2 central midfielders, one of which is not good enough to get a game for Tranmere, let alone Liverpool, and a left back of average quality. Then he sends the team out to defend for 90mins and tells us that a point would have been a good result against Everton. I just don't see how that is going to take us forward, I am not sure if Rijkaard would be the answer either though.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:46:39
Sorry to see this personal spat in the article below. .
We all want Liverpool to win.
Bottom line some people think hodgson is the man while others feel he is not.
Let's see how long roy has and if he is there at the end of the season the log tells no lies.
Just a queation to everybody "what is the difference with 5 wins and 6 draws in 11 games and 7 wins and 4 losses in 11 games. Which 1 would you prefer.

 

11 Nov 2010 06:15:58
Relax dips* ts

We are undefeated in 5. 1 draw. And next 5 games?
Use your brain football is football and you never know.
I think Roy is doing an awesome job with what he has at his disposal.

Blair Maine go f#a@ yourself. You know nothing about football - its a game of patience , tactics and often luck. You get lucky you win or You might lose.
Why do you come on here with your negative and pessimistic s* t talk. You aim to divide the Liverpool faithful.
Those of you stupid enough to listen to his crap and support a warped stance get real and use your brains. Does he have any playing or coaching experience at the TOP level? Do you?

To the ed that supports people bombarding JWH twitter page, reconsider. JWH wants what's best for Liverpool. He wants the best supporters for his club not a bunch of dictators. Not supporters or ed who says get rid of RH and he must do it. This is not fantasy football.

RH has done well so far and will continue to grow this team. We have every possibility of winning every match that we play but when the odds are against us a point won is better than nothing.
I would prefer protecting a point than losing it.

Remember JWH is an intelligent man and he knows Liverpool belongs at the Top and the season is 38 matches and if Liverpool are not there than he will sanction the changes. Not after 12 matches when there is signs of impovement.
Win against Stoke is a possibility. 3 points hopefully

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:24:27

I would say it is you that has a minimum knowledge of football my friend. You say our current plight has little to do with RH which is where I disagree with you. I'll agree the state of our squad/ team has little to do with him as he inherited 95% of it (ok he bought Poulsen who is useless, but Meireles looks good). I feel Roy is to blame because of the undeniable negative tactics he employs. As soon as we lose the ball we get our 4 defenders strung across the penalty spot with a bank of 5 midfielders in front of them on the edge of the 18yd box. It doesn't matter who you play against, if you give the opposition enough possesion without pressing the ball they will create chances.
Do you really think that a point against Wigan is good enough? More to the point do you think that performance/ strategy was good enough? As an avid LFC fan of course I want to see them win every game, and I'd love to see RH succeed. And, If we had gone to Wigan and really had a go, tried to win, tried to play entertaining football, I like most fans would be alot more sympathetic towards Roy. Even if we had gone searching for a winner and ended conceeding a 2nd, i'd be more forgiving, But we didnt! He showed when he brought Poulsen on that he was happy clinging on for a draw. An approach like that will not get us back into the top 4 and challenging for titles.
Maybe, as you say, I am one of the majority that has a 'minimal amount of football knowledge', but league tables don't lie, and at the moment wether it be Roys fault or not, it ain't good enough. And for me, with Roy in charge it never will be!

Tommy Walsh
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I agree with Tommy, I want RH to suceed, but I want to feel entertained and try and win things, I know hes inherited alot of his squad, but even with that squad you can see the tactics are wrong (in my opinion), I want to see good football and it just not happening, If i knew Roy was going to make changes in January and change the way he plays football then I would be happy, but I don't see why he would, that's his tactics, When he joined I was hoping he would come in and inspire players get them enjoying football and use his mam mangement skills on some of the underachievers like Babel, it hasn't happened, and now im worried that come january it will not only take allot of convincing to keep our best players but it will take allot of convincing to get new quality players to come. I always wanted Rafa to succeed but when he left I felt a bit of releif because I felt we needed something new, a fresh start, players had become dissalusioned and now I feel the same way again. It dosent really matter what I think ofcourse, at the end of the day its down to Liverpool as a collective organisation, the owners, management, players and fans. I just think we have waited long enough now and we deserve some decent football.

Bob Loblaw

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:20:01

See Roy has been at it again - the agent for Alexander Kerzhakov has acknowledged interest, now why, why, why would you want someone who failed miserably in Spain with A.Madrid before heading back to Russia. On top of this the guy will have just finished a full season - what use will he be for rest of EPL season.

This stinks of someone who would have Fulham fans excited but really is more of the same rubbish Rafa wasted money on and Roy seems intent on following on from this.

Surely this must be the reason Comolli has been brought in, it's time we took the gun out and laid it in front of Roy and asked him to do the honourable thing and go. He is only a head coach now and as someone posted last night, he is still using the same style and approach as he did in the 70's. No good at LFC

Everytime I read something about this man or watch us play I get more frustrated

RED PADDY

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:19:15

Why do some people always feel the need to tell us how they're "22/ 40/ 44 year fan", "season ticket holder"?So what, huh?Does being a fan since time immemorial give what you spew here more credence and validity?Hey, hey, hey!listen here.I don't care if you've been a fan till doomsday.If you're gonna come here, talk sense and argue your points in no condescending manner and never question others' support.Otherwise, DASH.

". .And, for the record, in the circumstances, I beleive Roy is doing a great job."
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To this guy, how do you define a great job, generally and in relation to Liverpool?And what "circumstances" are you referring to?In what way, as you seem to imply, are they impeding Mr Hodgson?

"Can some please explain how we can stuff. ., but away at wigan we were dross. ."
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Maybe Andy, Bootle, The RealisT and others alike can explain that to you, mate. .afterall, they seem to understand better than many of us Hodgson's mind.

I long gave my reasons as to why I'll NEVER accept Hodgson as our manager. .and his performances and utterances have only served to reinforce my stance.
And quiet why some of our fans believe in giving him more time is beyond me.

Should we give him more time to:

-turn our club into Fulham?
-further alienate our players like he already has with Agger, Pepe, Torres?
-turn Nando into Zamora
-continue ruining Meireles, Shelvey by playing them out of position?
-marginalize Agger and the likes of Pacheco, Mavinga?
-embarrass our club with his horrendous comments?
-entrench a mentality and attitude bordering on defeatism and an inferiority complex?

I could go on and on, but I won't.Discerning fans who have the ability to see "a priest on a mountain of sugar" know Hodgson is the rotten potato here.They knew that from even before he was appointed.

It is not on the back of 4 defeats, or a lackadaiscal display at Wigan the I'm of the view that Hodgson has to go.I reached that conclusion based on his nature (Wade disciple), his over 30 yr career.
If you're someone who knows the game, you'd have known from the outset that Hodgson wouldn't be able to coach LFC to play football with even half the beauty and elegance demonstrated by glorious teams.Therefore, his shouldn't have got the job in the first place.(Do you ever wonder why Kenny put his own name forward after taking a look on the candidate's list?)

Hodgson is a (ultra) defensive manager by nature;his speciality is stopping teams and hoping to sneak a goal, as opposed to taking the game to the opposition and outscoring it.And that's exactly what he's been doing at LFC;and he's not going to change, having said so himself.

Torres, Pepe, Agger etc are NOT in some player-power play here.Like most discerning fans, they know Hodgson's is not the way.They know they're are being coached wrong.
They know that a manager's methods/ system should improve them, not make them look bad players.
For all criticism and abuse Nando has been dealt, it's the system which makes him look bad.

And to hear some fans speak ill of Nando and Pepe, world class players who've been nothing but loyal to this club;and who always give the utmost of dedication each time they put on the shirt, is so sad and disheartening.
For far too these players represented this club with love, respect, dignity and honour. .and the least you could expect from a fan is consideration and non-judgmentality for and towards them.

Pepe and Nando are two of the most mature, honest and good lads I know.So, when they start to cut such demeanours, you've to know they're not happy, and for a good reason.

But I digress.If you're expecting us to start playing football, you're sadly fooling yourself.
Showings like Bolton and last night will be the norm, with Chelsea's the exception.Problem with this is that, it's good enough only to avoid relegation, and maybe finish number 12.So, unless those who advocate Hodgson staying are eyeing a midtable finish, wake up and smell the coffee.
You're disneyland if you think we gonna start spanking teams ŕ la second half of 2008/ 09.It's not gonna happen.

Hodgson should be sacked, NOW.No amount of (scrappy) wins is going to paper over the fact that he's not good.He's already done too much damage.
I support winners and those who put their best foot forward (Wenger), not losers and defeatists like Hodgson.
And don't you dare starting lecturing me about the "Liverpool way".

I go by the common sense for the common benefit of the common sons and daughters of Anfield who have the common goal.
That common sense being, inter alia, that at LFC we:

-play to win
-entertain and thrill the fans by playing elegant footy
-don't tolerate mediocrity and second best
-stand together, fight for and protect each
-say the right things at the right time
-stick with those who are truly promising, and who get us

Now, Hodgson ticks none of those.I cannot and will NOT support a manager just because "it's our tradition to do so" even when it's so glaringly obvious that he's kak.I just WON'T.

Silver Song

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:15:48

There are a lot of posts regarding us signing Doyle. We already have Dirk Kuyt who is essentially the same player. Kuyt will run his legs off for the team, but unfortunately he just doesn't have the required level of skill if we are to push on and get back to winning silverware. Anyway we'd probably only end up playing him as a winger.

I don't think scoring is our problem (Torres, Gerrard, Ngog and Kuyt can all finish), I think our problem is that we just don't create enough scoring opportunities. We really need to bring in some world class wingers with pace, and most wingers these days can also operate as 2nd strikers too, so two birds with one stone.

Tommy Walsh

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:12:03
Haryy Rednapp in as New Manager >

Move Down to Stratford > benfit players like Cole, Gerrard, Torres. Moving stadiums is better than a transfer request.

East End Magic.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:08:20
Get harry rednapp in at Liverpool, We need a bit of East-end magic.

Then he help us move down to stratford. As LFC need a new home on the cheap and it would help out all the liverpool supporters that live in within the M25

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:05:43
Looks like Charles N'Zogbia passed Roy Hodgsons audition.

He made liverpool look bad and caused them to drop 2points.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 16:02:22

To this poster:
It becomes more evident with every read of this site that the majority of posters know minimal amounts about how football really works and base their thinkings on their performances of Champ Manager! Our current plight has very little to do with Roy Hodgson and yet you all seem oblivious to this fact as he is an easy blame. Quite how Frank Rijkaard would make things any better I have no idea. Unless there is a truly viable better alternative to him and that list is very small then I suggest we work with what we have got. The Fat Spanish Waiter left us as a mid table side after splashing out 170 million on average players, not Roy.

I would say it is you that has a minimum knowledge of football my friend. You say our current plight has little to do with RH which is where I disagree with you. I'll agree the state of our squad/ team has little to do with him as he inherited 95% of it (ok he bought Poulsen who is useless, but Meireles looks good). I feel Roy is to blame because of the undeniable negative tactics he employs. As soon as we lose the ball we get our 4 defenders strung across the penalty spot with a bank of 5 midfielders in front of them on the edge of the 18yd box. It doesn't matter who you play against, if you give the opposition enough possesion without pressing the ball they will create chances.
Do you really think that a point against Wigan is good enough? More to the point do you think that performance/ strategy was good enough? As an avid LFC fan of course I want to see them win every game, and I'd love to see RH succeed. And, If we had gone to Wigan and really had a go, tried to win, tried to play entertaining football, I like most fans would be alot more sympathetic towards Roy. Even if we had gone searching for a winner and ended conceeding a 2nd, i'd be more forgiving, But we didnt! He showed when he brought Poulsen on that he was happy clinging on for a draw. An approach like that will not get us back into the top 4 and challenging for titles.
Maybe, as you say, I am one of the majority that has a 'minimal amount of football knowledge', but league tables don't lie, and at the moment wether it be Roys fault or not, it ain't good enough. And for me, with Roy in charge it never will be!

Tommy Walsh

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 15:57:54

I am no fan of the Fat Spanish Waiter and I detest the Rafa Brigade but that's not to say that I'm any great fan of Roy's either. I don't think he's the right man for LFC and I don't think he has done himself any favours in how he has answered certain media questions. Before people start wanting rid of him though we have to have the RIGHT man lined up. Kenny is not an option & people have to grow up about that. Guus Hiddink is the man & all efforts must be made to get him. He has world, european, & Premership experience and a trac record of success. Sammy has to go too. When your outpassed by just about every team we played this year you know there's something seriously wrong with the way we are being coached. We need to dig deep & be patient until the right people are available. NESV are not stupid, they know what they are at.
Clubfirst.com

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 15:42:29

And as for you Editor, you should be ashamed of yourself and your pathetic hate campaign against Roy. As if twitter prattlings from fans will have any semblance of affect on NESV and their future management decisions. All it will achieve is to highlight how ungrateful and narrow minded the LFC plastic brigade really are. Sad times to be a true Red. You and your chief plastic Lionel Blair are a disgrace to everything we stand for.
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Hello again COWARD!

You are one of the people i was referring to last night and saying the "ones that were crucifying me were COWARDS" because you didn't sign off (which your entitled to). But still makes you a COWARD!

I admit i do hate Hodgson but that's just me no one else has said this. So your hate campaign just consists of one person ME.

Why i hate Hodgson?

His tactics belong in the middle ages.
His substitutions are bemusing i.e Poulsen on for Kuyt.
Some of our best players are going to leave because of him.
And my favourite his post match comments are pathetic and are very demeaning to our club.

IF i am a "plastic fan" then you my friend are a "rubber fan" as you can bend you anyway you want because you've no back bone.

Blair (Lego) Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 15:34:36

In response to the following comments by the so-called editor in the know:

{ed's note - what pathetic hate campaign? If you are going to make accusations, accusations that you don't even have the guts to put a name behind, at least get them right. I don't use twitter. You are the kind of sad pathetic person who thinks they are a better fan than everyone else because they can get to the game. You clearly know nothing about football but think that going to the game makes you an authority. Any that did know would be able to see that the problem with the club is Roy's tactics, not him as a person, but his style of play. It is not like you can even try and pretend he is just trying to get the defence sorted and then he will start being more attacking, he has years and years of past management experience of being defensive. I am sure he will change that just because you support him though, and when we are sat in mid-table mediocrity year after year you can carry on looking for other people to blame and be very proud of yourself for standing by the manager I am sure. Well done you are such a hero you put support for Roy above support for the club, you must be so proud of yourself!}

What a disgraceful response to a genuine fan who made a number of valid points. Although you now seem to be attempting to distance yourself from the Twitter campaigns that have been suggested on this website with the intention of removing our current manager for someone along the lines of the mighty O'Driscoll, you most definitely have been encouraging those who are sufficiently deluded to believe that bombarding the new owners with illiterate, ill-considered, petulant tripe is an intelligent course of action. I think you should consider resigning from your role following your comments. What this site needs from its editors is objectivity. Every comment that attacks the manager, you wholeheartedly support. Every comment that expresses the opposing view, you attack. Liverpool Football Club has only just emerged from a period of division and hostility, which makes your attempt to create further division and hostility highly irresponsible. Those of us who attend matches are delighted that the atmosphere at the ground is no longer vitriolic. We do not want more fan protests. In addition, we do not need an editor using his role in an attempt to pursue and promote his own agenda. Nor do we need an editor who flings his toys out of the play pen every time somebody dares to disagree with him. As for being 'in the know', when was the last time that you actually provided any information that was not already common knowledge? I am not the poster who was originally critical of you, but I feel you have completely over-stepped the boundaries of your role. {ed's note - again you fail to have the guts to even provide a name. I am not attempting to distance myself from anything at all, I am just not involved in it, that is all. That is pointing out facts, not distancing myself from it. I don't like the idea of protesting as I have said many times, even when it was against H&G, I just don't think that is what matches should be for. What this site needs is for people to express their views, including the editors, if you don't like that no one makes you come here, it is that simple. I will continue to express my views the way I see fit, just like I always have, you are quite welcome to express the opposing view, but instead you seem to be intent on stifling any view that is opposed to yours rather than explaining your viewpoint. You seem to be just intent on making a personal attack, is that because you have no actual points to raise and so are looking to deflect away from that and to make this a personal thing? By the way, a genuine fan doesn't refer to his fellow fans as 'plastics'.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 15:17:40

I'm not jumping on any sort of bandwagon here but I do not think Roy Hodgson is the man to take the club forward in any capacity. He has a style of play which the players clearly are not enjoying and his purchases to the club ( Prior Comoli's apoointment ) have gone totally against NESV's new commitment , to bring in youth( plus being very average / poor ).
I like Roy Hodgson , he has a great track record at other clubs but I just don't think he's the right man to take Liverpool forward.

If Roy does get the boot I'd like to see Klinsman get the job, he instigated the rejuvenation of the German national team by bringing in youth upwards, his teams play great attacking football and he'd be the type of manager NESV are looking for in order to transform the club.

Player wise I think everyone is agreement that we will make a move for Honda , which I think will be a great buy.
I agree with the other posts on here that we have yet to find a replacement for Xabi Alonso and that we need a decent ball player in the middle of the park. My number 1 target in January / Summer transfer window for Liverpool and I think it's essential we get him , would be Ever Banager, the boy is awesome, fairly young and can pass around players all day. He'd definatly make us tick.
I agree that Meireles and Lucas have improved of late but I still question Lucas especially and would hope his improvement would continue.

Additionally why don't we sign a proven world class goalscorer? ? Why are we scouting Russia for random virtually unknown players, Nando would love a big name up top supporting him , someone who captures his and the fans imagination , splash the dollars! !

I still think we need : LB, CM, RW, LW, FW .

My preferences would be (and all fairly young players) :

LB - Rausch (German U-21) On a Free in the Summer
CM - Matuildi
CM - BANEGA !
RW - Hazard (Doubtful), Sinclair (Swansea)
LW - Honda, Mata (Doubtful)
FW - Van Wolfswinkel, Suarez, Bojan, Cavani, Hulk

To fund the transfers I'd get rid of 4 of the 6 signings Roy made aswell as:

Konchesky
J. Cole
Poulson
Aquilani
Babel
Jovanovic

Lastly I think there are a few gems that we could perhaps start thinking about bringing into the 1st team squad for experience ( similar to what Wenger does at Arsenal) the players I'd like to see get a chance or two would be Souso, Pacheco, Silva, Ecclestone, maybe Sterling too , if we don't give them experience send them out on loan so that they can show the boss what they can do and how they handle the bigger stage.

Ed - Thoughts ? {ed's note - I can't believe you have put forward Klinsmann, I find that completely unfathomable. He leant on Joachim Loew while in charge of Germany, then failed completely at Bayern and was unable to find a job afterwards, until finally Toronto FC took a chance on him. I can't see the merit in appointing him at all.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 15:06:48

Can some please explain how we can stuff chelski and completley dominate the game, but away at wigan we were dross and lacklustre and lucky 2 come away with a draw! The buck stops with the manager Roy has 2 go otherwise its gonna be a rollercoaster ride till the end of the season! I've heard on the QT that the players are some players won't even talk 2 roy after a number off bust ups !Cmon NESV do the right thing and give Kenny D the temporay managers role, till we find the right man 4 the job !

Completely dominate the game? Did you not watch the second half or should you have gone to Specsavers?

YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 15:02:10

Hi ed went to the game last night and i was discussted with roy hodgson last night i mean does this show (1. Lack of strengh & depth or 2.his method of subs.)I mean come on roy wake up mate and smell the coffee don't bring on poulson. Plus this thing about renia going i felt sorry for him last night playing with that back four. i think people have got to realise that he wants the best out of his future and if come next may we are were we are today i really do think we will lose them thanks ed

 

 

11 Nov 2010 15:00:15

{ed's note - Danny Murphy moaned about the training and how repetitive and boring it was, how it was designed to stop the team from conceding but very little thought given to attacking football.}

Danny Murphy also said what a good coach he was when he went to Liverpool. Is this because Fulham had got rid of Hodgson Ed?

 

 

11 Nov 2010 15:00:02

Hurry up 1st Feb. By then Liverpool should have an attack minded manager. With 4 or 5 new players. Mamadou Sakho, to cover cb and lb plus 2 or 3 attacking creative pacy players (arda, Honda) and unfortunately carlton cole. I'm going for a shock move for david benley too

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:59:47

Did any1 els hear ian holloway's post-match interview with sky (not the 1 on MOTD), well he was asked about why he rested alot of key players and he completely destroyed the interviewer. it was class, i just wish roy showed a tenth as much enthusiasm.

always a red

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:58:29

Liverpool should get ray wilkins straight away ever since he became on ther coaching staff chelsea have been up there . . i know he is a chelsea rent boy but we can change him. he has a good football head on his shoulders

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:57:19

And as for you Editor, you should be ashamed of yourself and your pathetic hate campaign against Roy. As if twitter prattlings from fans will have any semblance of affect on NESV and their future management decisions. All it will achieve is to highlight how ungrateful and narrow minded the LFC plastic brigade really are. Sad times to be a true Red. You and your chief plastic Lionel Blair are a disgrace to everything we stand for. {ed's note - what pathetic hate campaign? If you are going to make accusations, accusations that you don't even have the guts to put a name behind, at least get them right. I don't use twitter. You are the kind of sad pathetic person who thinks they are a better fan than everyone else because they can get to the game. You clearly know nothing about football but think that going to the game makes you an authority. Any that did know would be able to see that the problem with the club is Roy's tactics, not him as a person, but his style of play. It is not like you can even try and pretend he is just trying to get the defence sorted and then he will start being more attacking, he has years and years of past management experience of being defensive. I am sure he will change that just because you support him though, and when we are sat in mid-table mediocrity year after year you can carry on looking for other people to blame and be very proud of yourself for standing by the manager I am sure. Well done you are such a hero you put support for Roy above support for the club, you must be so proud of yourself!}


Go on Ed get him told. By the way, I never noticed a hate campaign. I believed you agreed with me once that he would be given until Christmas, possibly the summer.

YNWA

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:56:52
I have made the following observations comparing this season so far with the same number of games played as last season. If we just look at the same number of games the points total is the same i.e. 16. However we are 2 places lower than at the same stage last season when we were 7th. Incidentally 7th is where we finished, so I hope that's not a bad omen.

If we look at the same fixtures (although we played Burnley and Hull in our first 12 games last season and got 6 points, we can substitute these for Blackpool and West Brom where we got only 3 points) last year we had 19 points - this season we have 16 points - so we are not making progress on last season.

It's not going to get any easier.

Who is looking forward to the bombardment from Stoke at the weekend!

KBL

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:55:26
I you are to believe the press, we will sign Honda, but at what cost, I think if he comes in we are bound to get rid of either Babel of Jovanovic to balance the books. By the way, who has even seen him play. .I know I haven't so can people stop jumping on the bandwagon and advocating names when they don't even know if they are any good or not.

Fatboy76

I saw him play In the world cup out in south Africa. Watching and talking to the japan fans he is quality everytime he got the ball u could sense something was going to happen he is great withboth feetand good in air.
He is just the type of player we need. Young shirt sales and sell on value what u you think ed? {ed's note - I think he is top class, absolutely brilliant player, good in dead ball situations as well, his left foot is fantastic.}

Watch him in the Europa League against Palermo at home. Look at his goal. I'm licking my lips

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:53:24

He is just the type of player we need. Young shirt sales and sell on value what u you think ed? {ed's note - I think he is top class, absolutely brilliant player, good in dead ball situations as well, his left foot is fantastic.}

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Sell on value? If he's good why would we want to sell him? We're not a selling team anymore.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:53:14

Team for the future:
gulasci
kelly
wilson
ayala
mavinga
amoo
shelvey
palsson
ince
pacheco
eccleston

we also have the likes of suso, bruna, sterling, wisdom, robinson, coady coming through.this should be the team entered into cup games like f.a n carling giving them experience bit like arsenal do.what you think ed?DORSET RED

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:52:18

Is there anyone who will shake my hand on a £1000 bet that Poulsen never gets a man of the match award whilst playing for LFC? ?


I will, but only if I can pick the man of the match. I won't be biased. . . . . . . . . Honest.

YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:43:32

Prior to the chav game last weekend i like alot of people would be delighted with 4 points from the next two games (Chavs and Wigan - away) So why now are we up in arms over a tough game last night? We didn't lose, yes outplayed for certain parts. The fact is we don't have a very strong squad at the minute, this will hopefully improve in Jan but until then we have to support what we have! So instead of complaining lets do what we done on Sunday and support our beloved club.

I wouldn't say i'm woy's biggest fan far from it but he is here so lets do the Liverpool thing and get behind him.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:41:10

The team beat chelsea the wkend because of the overwhelming support the team gets at home from playing the big teams making the team perform. it had nothing to do with hodgeson believe yes unbelievable no

So does this mean Shanks, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Houllier and Benitez can't take any credit for a home win unless the atmosphere was crap.

Kopitetillidie

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:36:22

Hi ed. .in your opinion do think theres a chance hodgson could be removed within this 28 day clause that's in his contract?

James
{EDITOR'S NOE: Cant see it mate.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:33:38

Ed Honda is a bit of an unknown quantity it is a big step up from the Japenese league to the Prem.
Professional football was founded in Japan in the early nineties by one Gary Linneker so not alot of experience of the game in that region.

I expect Rafa to return in Jan and bring back fan favourite M Owen.

Etons Young Conservatives

{EDITOR'S NOTE: Honda plays for CSKA Moskow and was in the dutch league before hand. He is a class act mate. Cant see Owen coming though.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:31:02

Sorry to say it guys but people who keep calling for shelvey and spearing to start are barking up the wrong tree. .I do not rate either of these players and shelvey looked awful last nite. .If were gonna give youth a chance it should be Pacheco, Ecclestone, and Suso who look promising and will give us more of a goalscoring threat. .Secondly really dissapointed with last nights performance. . We don't work hard enough without the ball and invite pressure through poor possesion this has to be addressed. .We looked tired last night and unfit. Although i was pleased with the attacking formation we could only keep it up for 15 mins and were outplayed for most of the remainder of the game. .

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:30:28
Anyone else think Jonjo Shelvey looks a bit like Dr.Evil?

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:29:05

Let's look at the facts here. Roy keeps saying it's a complete overhaul needed, but in all seriousness who would you like to see go? For me it's Jones, Konchesky, Skrtel, Poulsen, Maxi and Babel. Plenty of deadwood yeah, but not a complete overhaul. I'd also like to see Spearing, Kelly and Pacheco featuring more, hoping Kelly is the new RB and Johnson becoming a RM.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:28:27

It takes a blind man to not notice that Roy Hodgeson is the main reason for our bad performances. Results have been great recently, but who in the right mind enjoys the way liverpool have been playing? Bar maybe the odd performance.
Plain and simple Roy has to go for the good of the club. The editor speaks wise words.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:27:18

I'm no RH fan and don't think his is the right manager for the club, but i can't see how he can be blamed for the poor results and the players take all the credit for the good ones. . It makes no sence what so ever to say the players and fans are the ones who got the result against Chelsea and then lay all the blame at his feet for the result against Wigan. . It was the same starting 11! I for one am getting tired of the constant Manager and Player bashing. Yes many are not good enough but at the moment they are what we have, RH included. . No amount of e-mailing and tweeting will change how NESV do business. They have publically backed RH and a change will not be made before christmas. Its time to stop the whinging and moaning and get back to supporting what we have until it can be improved!

StevieW

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:26:30

And as for you Editor, you should be ashamed of yourself and your pathetic hate campaign against Roy. As if twitter prattlings from fans will have any semblance of affect on NESV and their future management decisions. All it will achieve is to highlight how ungrateful and narrow minded the LFC plastic brigade really are. Sad times to be a true Red. You and your chief plastic Lionel Blair are a disgrace to everything we stand for. {ed's note - what pathetic hate campaign? If you are going to make accusations, accusations that you don't even have the guts to put a name behind, at least get them right. I don't use twitter. You are the kind of sad pathetic person who thinks they are a better fan than everyone else because they can get to the game. You clearly know nothing about football but think that going to the game makes you an authority. Any that did know would be able to see that the problem with the club is Roy's tactics, not him as a person, but his style of play. It is not like you can even try and pretend he is just trying to get the defence sorted and then he will start being more attacking, he has years and years of past management experience of being defensive. I am sure he will change that just because you support him though, and when we are sat in mid-table mediocrity year after year you can carry on looking for other people to blame and be very proud of yourself for standing by the manager I am sure. Well done you are such a hero you put support for Roy above support for the club, you must be so proud of yourself!}


Well said Ed. To the poster, the people you are describing as 'plastic nerks' are TRUE fans unlike yourself stating fact that are blatantly obvious stevie wonder could see what was going wrong!Anyone with a brain cell can see its roy's tactics that's the problem pull your head out your arse.

BigBirdBilly

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:20:42

Even wen we didn't win with rafa we still dominated Most of the games , i would love to see him back in a few years in a position where he didn't have to sell players to buy and if cammoli(spelling) is buying the players now then get rafa back now just to coach and pick the team! he loves liverpool and was not at our club just for kudos like hodgson!

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:19:40

It's like this no matter how many world class players we sighn in Jan we will win nothing under woy. His tactics and use of players are criminal. How can any top class player begin to get motivated under this £hite coach? I could do a better job. What bugs me is these idiot supporters who babble on about supporting the manager. All i have to say about these clampets is shut the f. k up and smell the coffee. Can any one honestly say that they have ever seen a Liverpool side play as negative and as boring as this bunch. If Liverpool fail to make champions lge football for next season you can say good bye to Stevie G, Fernando T, Pepie R this I have no doubt, and who could blame them. N.E.S.V must act now before we pass the point of no return. Please for the sake of our club do the right thing and sack Woy now.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 14:09:26

11 Nov 2010 09:35:08

We are undefeated in 5. 1 draw. And next 5 games?
Use your brain football is football and you never know.
I think Roy is doing an awesome job with what he has at his disposal.

Blair Maine go f#a@ yourself. You know nothing about football - its a game of patience , tactics and often luck. You get lucky you win or You might lose.
Why do you come on here with your negative and pessimistic s* t talk. You aim to divide the Liverpool faithful.
Those of you stupid enough to listen to his crap and support a warped stance get real and use your brains. Does he have any playing or coaching experience at the TOP level? Do you?
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Of course i havn't got my coaching badges but Hodgson has!

That's the whole point of my argument about Roy. He's got over 30 years experience at numerous clubs around Europe and just seems he hasn't got a clue what he's doing.

I'm more supprised than anything about Roy because of his experience and how bad a job he's really doing. Can't you see by his tactics, players wanting to leave because of him and his stupid post match comments he is single handly dragging our great club through the gutter.

Your right i know f*ck all about football but i can see the damage Roy is causing which you are blind to.

Blair Mayne YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:55:41

Although i'm not RH biggest fan i do think some people on here are being a bit harsh, yes ok signing poulsen wasn't a great move but people seem to be forgetting this is RAFA'S squad that he's inherited and it's not exactly full of world class strikers or flying wingers that we're all crying out for, i think we should give him time, atleast a full season and see who's bought in january bearing in mind it's commoli and not roy who's looking after the transfers, i reckon PAISLEY would have struggled with this current overpaid, sulking or not good enough squad

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:50:36
I can understand the clamour for Roys head, I am not a fan of him or his football, just think the job is too big for him. Anyway, if he is going to get the services of the likes that we seem to all want i.e. Honda, Afellay et al, are they not going to be wasted due to his negative tactics and non pressing football. Lets not mention his self-effacing attitude that does not inspire confidence in the team and lack of ambition with regard to results.

Dont get me wrong, I would more than welcome that sort of talent into the dressing room, but at what cost. . .for them to get just as disenfranchised as our current crop and potentially leave in the summer whether Roy stays or not.

I believe this period is crutial for our club and its owners, and as much as I can identify with the platitudes coming from Henry regarding unhappy players going if they want to, I think it is the wrong attitude. It has taken us nearly 7 years to get to a stage where we have a smattering of talented footballers at the club, how long will it take us if that rebuilding has to start from scratch because some doddery old bloke who did well with his defensive tactics in some minor leagues thinks he can recreate those halcion days in one of the toughest leagues in the world with those same antiquated methods.

NESV's ethos is based on success and winning and for me Roy has not bought into this ethos and probably never will, hence his comments last night after a woeful display hailing the fact that we should have lost and it was a good result in the end.

Fatboy76

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:43:55

Liverpool would be a great team if we played to our strengths. . no more defensive tactics. . we have proved what we can do when we go at teams. .

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:42:02

As a lifelong Liverpool fan (and a season ticket holder for the past 22 years), it make me extremely sad to see certain players attempting to throw their weight about, sulking and threatening to leave just because we are going through a bad patch.

Someone within the club (and I suggest Carra), should point out, in no uncertain terms, to these individuals that this great club has made them who they are today, given them the worldwide exposure to enable them to be considered 'one of the best in the world' in their position and all whilst, paying them wages that means they earn more in a week than I do (and the vast majority who watch them week in week out) in 2 years.

When both Torres and Reina joined us - yes, they were considered good players, but no-one else was willing to pay the money we have - Since then, both are now seen as 'world class' - Thanks to LFC.


Let them both go - Jones is good enough to step up to the plate in goal, and we can replace Torres with a player (or two) who actually want to play and perform.

We need more with the attitude of Lucas, Carra, Merieles and the greek. We do not need 'player power' ruining this great club.

And, for the record, in the circumstances, I beleive Roy is doing a great job.

In reply to this ihave been a fan my whole life but i don't see why if theyre not happy they can't say so if youre unhappy in your job you would say so.
lets face it reina torres and prob half the team don't like roys tactics and it has been said before his training is as exciting as watching paint dry.
yes we are playing better but come on mate be honest i can't remember us being this boring and predictable to watch in 20 years its not i don't like roy but he is not the right man for the job he has done what he was asked and steadied the ship now he should be moved on then i think our boys would be happier and perform how we all know they can
YNWA
REDhunty

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:38:26

If we make some big signings in January they will still play Roy's way, so what's the point. We will still have good players who are unhappy playing for a manager they dislike.

Get a manager who will make our good players better and get our mediocre players playing like world beaters.

We have a half decent squad who play well - Chelsea - and play rubbish - Everton, Blackpool, Wigan etc etc. Hodgson must go, he has lost the faith of the players.

Here's one for you, I WOULD RATHER HAVE MOYES MANAGE US THAN HODGSON?? ?? ? At least he gets the best out of most of his mediocre players

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:37:57

"Not a rumour, just s though. Just can't believe we have dropped three points. I don't want people thinking this is in anyway arrogant but we are lfc and should be beating teams like wigan. We really need an injection of at least two world class players, one winger and a world class striker. I can't say who we should get and will leave that to those who are paid the big cash"

Your wrong you say "but we are lfc and should be beating teams like wigan" we are LFC we should be beating everyone, including wigan man utd and every other team in england and europe

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:29:04

We have decent enough players. .our tactics are wrong. . . we play a very defensive game. .Torres is isolated but still he delivers. . if we brought new players in would the tactics change?

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:25:31

I see alot of ppl going on about the Liverpool way which i understand but look at what is in front of us poor football, players unhappy(a happy cow produces more milk) the fans are unhappy its time to let go of our pride and admit defeat with Roy he is a gent i have respect for the man
.How much does it hurt to see our club have the piss taken out of it in the fu#cking gutter press, on web and at grounds all over the country.And knowing every club that used to dred coming to Liverpool now fancies there chances.And come next summer our top players will be gone and with no CL we will only attract average players and slip into mediocrity all the while the clubs around us get better and stronger.Thats what we are facing!

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:21:13
I don't want to sound like one of the roy
haters on here BUT i can't help but think
that with someone else in charge we
would not be getting linked or on the
verge of signing such average players if roy
is still here come jan i hope NESV don't give him
much money because if they do we will all be singing
the song WE ALL DREAM OF A TEAM OF KONCHESKYS. . . . oh god i hope not

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:18:48

As the Janurary transfer window approaches, LFC fans are predicting who and what players will join the club.
At the moment Nesv have brought optimism to LFC and have made some pledges on bringing LFC foward.
When H+G became LFC owners, they splashed the cash in bringing Torres, Babel and Benayoun to LFC.
This spending spree seems to have been an attempt get the fans behind the American owners because after this H+G invested very little money in LFC and LFC ended up missing out on signing Gareth Barry which ultimately led to the loss of key player Alonso.

Will the new american owners (Nesv) do the same thing as the previous american owners (H+G).
I expect some key players to join, but will they sign players in Janurary if they don't want Hodgson as manager. Will the new owners invest in the club early on and then after a season or two stop investing.
To know what the new owners are like, they will have to be owners of LFC for at least 3 years before anybody can make a judgement on them.

An early spending spree would be great, hopefully Nesv will sign Mata or Llorente to increase the Spainish influence in LFC.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:18:18

STOP the RAFA crap now. That waster did more than anyone else in the last 20 years to destroy this Club. One more year and we would have been finished forever.
Clubfirst.com

In reply to this are you having a laugh yeah rafa bought some duds but he also bought torres, alonso, reina, mascherano, kuyt, agger, skrtel,
and he won the CL finished runner up and most seasons got us in CL competing and winning nearly always reaching the KO stages
need i say more.
Rafa was bad towards the end but that was as much the owners fault as his at least he didn't go out and buy the awesome young talents that are poulson and konchesky.
And more importantly Rafa knew when to play counter attack and when not too unlike good ol roy who only knows counter attack football.
Rafa isn't the answer but we could do a shi* sight worse ie what we have now in roy.
REDhunty

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:13:25

First of all, I hear roy saying we were tired against wigan! , did wigan play at the weekend? cause they didn't look tired.
Secondly is it me but over the last couple of seasons this has been the same , one fast great game, followed buy a lacklustre tired one.
Is this a fitness problem?.
Maybe all the defensive shape work that roy has them doing, and all the defending raffa had them doing, and it did and still looks a lot, i can't remember the last time we realy went at teams on a consistant level, maybe last was under roy evans, but we don't seem to have speed or endurance.
I think are play is good for a slower europe game, but even that has speeded up over last five years but for the prem we are miles behind some teams for the speed needed to win it.
Chelsea , man u, arsenal, all won prem with fast atacking football, now thwy have been joined by city and spurs doing same.
We realy need to speed up or we truly will be levt in the blocks. Thoughts Ed ?

Martin {ed's note - I just think we need to try and win every game, home or away, and you don't do that by sitting behind the ball and not committing men forward.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:10:27

Am I the only one happy with a point from yesterdays game? Looking back to last season, we would have ended up losing such a game - Progress maybe?

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:04:12

Alright chaps iv set up a facebook page to rid of roy

just search Roy-out Of-lfc

what an idiot - get a job !

 

 

11 Nov 2010 13:01:48

We are not FULHAM. a draw against wigan is not a good result at all. i just don't think hodgson knows how to win away from home and literally just plays 2 not lose. at fulham yes that's great, not for LFC.

If man u, chelsea or arsenal drew at wigan it would be a proper shock, but now when we do it is nearly accepted. we have slipped to mid table mediocrity and a win at chelsea has smokescreened this.

we need better players and more creative players.

my opinion:

kranjcar
honda
d.bent

in Jan

Dan7

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:57:35

To whoever wrote:
Can some please explain how we can stuff chelski and completley dominate the game, but away at wigan we were dross and lacklustre and lucky 2 come away with a draw! The buck stops with the manager Roy has 2 go otherwise its gonna be a rollercoaster ride till the end of the season! I've heard on the QT that the players are some players won't even talk 2 roy after a number off bust ups !Cmon NESV do the right thing and give Kenny D the temporay managers role, till we find the right man 4 the job !


What utter rubbish - If I am not mistaken, the same team played last night and, from what I saw (and I was there), they were set up to play the same way / formation and, for the first 25 minutes, they performed the same! Thereafter, what happend?? - Ask the players - you remember, the 11 on the pitch picking up more individually in wages for their 90 minutes work than I earn in week!

And if these same players are seriously not talking to the boss because of a 'fall out', they need to grow up and pack their bags - Some have forgotten that no player is bigger than the club.

Player power needs to be stopped. {ed's note - how can you blame player power? They followed Roy's instructions to the letter last night. He has been telling Reina all season to not look for quick counter attacks when he has the ball and slow things down, Pepe did that and it left us with no chance of springing forward from the keeper. Roy has been telling them all to get back behind the ball and they did that all game, just like he told them. The fault is one man's and one man's only and his name is Roy Hodgson.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:54:05

I don't understand how we tired so badly last night against wigan

all the teams that played 3 times last week all played didn't see them all tire as badly as we did.

to defend for 80 minutes letting wigan come on made us tire alot faster

i just don't understand why bring on poulson most of the other games he as put ngog on

THE BEST FORM OF DEFENCE IS ATTACK

iwe need a forward thinking manager there is nothing forward thinking about roy he is not the future of the club

we need a young manager to take us forward to grow with the new owners to grow with lfc

sorry but i cannot see that to carry on supporting roy when i can't see a future for him or is tactics in the modern game

i havent been a person to be against roy until last night it is time he left he is a nice man but for a fulham or a blackburn 1 point at wigan is a good point it is not a good point for liverpool

and is answers to questions at interviews is terrible

we need someone to show enthusiasm and energy and forward thinking in is answers but we only get negativity way

for everybody thinking "the liverpool way" is it the liverpool way for the manager to be so negative in the way he approaches the game during the game and after the game that is not the liverpool way.

but we as fans are suppose to act in the liverpool way in showing our support for roy


thanks for letting me have a little rant

the is right and the time is now for roy to go he steadied us and thak you for that but now is the time coming up to january for a new man to take us forward


Tazz YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:45:52

For those who are back on this site calling for Dalglish to be made the manager - Can I ask why?

The legend has been nothing more than a spectator since leaving management - We need someone 'current' with a proven record in modern day football.

The board should forget about signing big name players in January, and make their major signing a new manager - whatever the cost!

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:44:41

10 points out of 12, 4 wins out of 5, 6 games unbeaten. The manager has had less than a third of a season. Last night was an improvement on last season in terms of result AND performance. Yet some impatient, petulant children want to start an internet campaign against their manager. Ever read the words to YNWA? Get a grip of yourself and stop ruining the reputation of the best supporters in the world. United we stand, divided we fall. Get behind the team.
RED HERRING

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:43:08

Every1 stop moaning about the draw


it was are 3rd game in less than a week {ed's note - almost the entire team changed from Napoli to face Chelsea, there is no excuse for players being tired.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:38:19

Hi ED. Lets have a page with the names of forwards, wings and CM, so that the supporters can decide who fits with LFC. It will be really interesting to know how much we lfc fans want the footballers.Let them know that they are welcome to lfc with open hands.
I am looking forward to get the supporters point of view. Am sure we shall get some great names to decide on. {ed's note - it is on the to do list mate, it is coming as soon as it can be done.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:37:07

I just want to state this, My reason for wanting a change in manager is not because im anti Roy, or not because we havent got the results because we have done well, results wise, over the last 4 games. Its purley because the style of play and the way were going about winning. We defended a lead against chelsea, fair enough we had two goals and there a good side, but make no mistake about it we got lucky in the second half, Chelsea had three clear chances and missed them all, it could of been a very different result. Again last night we got a first half lead and then sat back, I wasn't happy when we did it on sunday although I can see the logic behind it, but against wigan, why, who is happy with that, I would excapt the excuse we were tired but Ive seen this tactic throught the season so far and I don't like it. I wasnt a massive fan of retaining posession in midfield under Rafa as I thoujust ght it was a bit stale but it was alot safer and more effective than pinning yourselves back and trying to shut the opposition out. This is my reason for wanting someone else, its not because I hate Roy, I dont, I just like my football entertaining. If we went and signed Hiddink and he played the same style I wouldn't be happy. Roy was brought in to steady the ship, Surely that ship is steady now or or at least ready for the next step to building a goood quality entertaining side. Anyone that doubts this, just watch Liverpool v Real madrid and feel how happy it made you.

I want to be entertained like that again.

Bob Loblaw

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:35:50

As a lifelong Liverpool fan (and a season ticket holder for the past 22 years), it make me extremely sad to see certain players attempting to throw their weight about, sulking and threatening to leave just because we are going through a bad patch.

Someone within the club (and I suggest Carra), should point out, in no uncertain terms, to these individuals that this great club has made them who they are today, given them the worldwide exposure to enable them to be considered 'one of the best in the world' in their position and all whilst, paying them wages that means they earn more in a week than I do (and the vast majority who watch them week in week out) in 2 years.

When both Torres and Reina joined us - yes, they were considered good players, but no-one else was willing to pay the money we have - Since then, both are now seen as 'world class' - Thanks to LFC.


Let them both go - Jones is good enough to step up to the plate in goal, and we can replace Torres with a player (or two) who actually want to play and perform.

We need more with the attitude of Lucas, Carra, Merieles and the greek. We do not need 'player power' ruining this great club.

And, for the record, in the circumstances, I beleive Roy is doing a great job.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:22:35

Can some please explain how we can stuff chelski and completley dominate the game, but away at wigan we were dross and lacklustre and lucky 2 come away with a draw! The buck stops with the manager Roy has 2 go otherwise its gonna be a rollercoaster ride till the end of the season! I've heard on the QT that the players are some players won't even talk 2 roy after a number off bust ups !Cmon NESV do the right thing and give Kenny D the temporay managers role, till we find the right man 4 the job !
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You've got a point here. .
I think if raul was ill, roy should have thrown on Milan Jovanovic -who would have injected the energy we lacked last night- instead of Jonjo. He looked out of his depth. . Im not sledging youth, because i will be the first to admit that Martin Kelly was very good. I would also like to ask the editor : Why is Fabio Aurellio not playing - or atleast starting off he bench? I would have been happy to see him come on in place of Kuyt - Rather than Poulsen. .I recall he made his return from injury(again) recently.
By the end of the game last night, it looked like only Lucas and Konchesky had the appetite/ legs to try and get the ball of Wigan.

Even Gerrard - he had a shot and hit the bar - fair enough - but even then, i felt he could have maybe taken the ball a little further and picked out Torres, just swinging a boot at it was the easier option - even if it is a gifted boot. Lack of energy? I think so.

Chelsea really took it out of the boys on Sunday. .

Thanks for the site Ed.

Faizal from S.Africa {ed's note - I don't think a lack of energy can be used as an excuse, they obviously aren't training hard enough if they are getting tired! Tennis players, for instance, can play day after day for hours at a time at their peak performance level. Yet we are expected to believe that a footballer can only play once a week, it is ludicrous. I really don't know why Aurelio has not made the bench, though he always takes a while to find his form after injury anyway, it is probably best he is not near the team just yet.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:21:06

N'Zogbia showed last night the value of a quick, skillful winger. They have the ability to score and create, as well as providing an out-ball when under pressure. I don't believe N'Zogbia is the man for LFC, but he does show what we are missing. If Comolli can find the right man, whoever that may be, it will be an immediate, significant improvement to the squad. Assuming, of course, he gets a game.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:19:53
An article on Skysports website states that "Poulson is finding his feet". Lets hope that when he does find them he gets the F* k out of Anfield as he isn't fit to lace even Itange's boots

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:17:30

Can some please explain how we can stuff chelski and completley dominate the game, but away at wigan we were dross and lacklustre and lucky 2 come away with a draw. .

At what point did we completley dominate the game. Ill give you the first half but for the second half we defended for 45 minutes.

Bob Loblaw

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:12:23
My theory on lfc and winning the league are simple. target 30 wins in a season = 90 points 9/ 10 seasons you will win the league. playing defensive boring draws gives you no chance to ever win the league. roy is not the man for the job, never has been, never will be

 

 

11 Nov 2010 12:08:02

However, i would love to see an attacking style of play, who scores a goal then goes for the kill with a second. It is like in rugby, they score a try and continue attacking, they do not sit and wait for their opponents to pounce. .

Andy Bootle

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 11:58:38

In reply to:
Can some please explain how we can stuff chelski and completley dominate the game, but away at wigan we were dross and lacklustre and lucky 2 come away with a draw. .

Look at our fixture list, look at our squad list, then look at our injury list. . , the players have been working hard recently to turn around a bad start.
Fair enough on our day we should beat Wigan, but they put in a solid performance. Liverpool are still unbeaten in 5. I said after the Chelsea game that i would be happy with 7 points from the next 3 games, and i stand by that.
You could see that after the first 20 minutes we went flat. Lucas was sitting infront of the back four, and once he got his yellow he had to back off the challenges a bit, and that i believe let Wigan back into the game.

Andy, Bootle {ed's note - so you don't think it was anything to do with Roy constantly shouting at the players to get back then?}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 11:35:16

All this talk of tiredness and buying this striker or this midfielder.We are playing too deep, as we have two banks of four, within ten yards of each other. The hoofers at the back by-pass the midfield and the ball comes back again.The buck stops at R H.I think we are boring and basically depressing to watch. Wigan were there for the taken, after Torres scored, but we sat back. How many time did Carra do up and unders.I don't think he went further than 15 yards out of his own box and when he did he had to foul to get back. I think Jamie looks good when we are under the cosh, but looks awful when he as the ball. There is more to defending than throwing yourself in front of every shot.R H is to blame not Carra. I have said since we were first linked with him, that I hate is Italian style of football. Please get shut of him. I bet you his favorite film is the Alamo. what do you think Ed?Defend for your lives boys. {ed's note - he probably has the lads watching that on the way to the match to get them in the right mood for the performances he is looking for....}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 11:31:12

Last night was unexcusable all this cra* about the players being tired these are professional athletes and should be able to handle a few games in a week.
it had nothing to do with tiredness it was clearly roys tactics again as it has been all season he has the wrong mentality for a liverpool manager and to all those who disagree think of these points:
1, with a full strength team basically what roy has now rafa finished 2nd in the EPL.
2, he plays counter attck football as style of play it is so boring to watch and clearly does not work ie what have fulham ever won.
3, he is alienating players reina agger pacheco all players that we need will not hang around for him to kill there careers.
4, he is the worst manager in history at defending his players (torres manure springs to mind)
5, he cannot give any type of press conference and genuinely believes a point against wigan is acceptable.
So before people jump to his defense none of these are acceptable yeah the chelsea win was nice but arent we forgetting something with these players rafa beat manure chelsea and lets not forget real and ac milan so a point against wigan is completely unnacceptable he is not the man for us and he never was the soponer he is showed the door the better.
REDhunty

 

 

11 Nov 2010 11:29:46

The more i come on here the more i getting wound up, people saying i / we shouldn't be having a say, against roy.
if the players were happy with roy's managing, if i could see good football on the pitch, if you seen players giving there all, if i had faith in a win, ( lets face it how many people actually thought for 1 minute that we could have won against chelsea before the first ball was kicked?? ? ) if id seen roy playing good football & winning things in the past with other clubs, then id be singing along and say we will turn corner, anyone who says there is a corner to turn around soon, then i wish i had your believe, and ill look forward to meeting Santa on the 25 of December, never have i seen so bad football, negative play, ( apart from Lucas before this season ) but i mean from the team / squad . after the Torres goal last night roy telling the players to get back just as you would expect fulham to do when they'd go up a goal away from home. what he doesn't understand is this is Liverpool and the opposition have more of a drive to beat us. we don't just score a goal and shut up shop against wigan, if roy is still in the job come january then i for one will not be going as much as i do, ( some may say that am not a loyal supporter, but i will say YES I AM, as i havnt got a hell of a lot of money and my missus moans at me saying she needs this and that for exmas and am spending all my play money on home games and travel to the most away games, plus i think id get a lot more joy giving my money to the missus, least ther is a chance of getting somethin back from her at the weekends if i do give her it.)

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 11:18:43

Last night was absolute carbage, we went one up and started to defend only after 12 mins for gods sake. ROY must go now before we lose our players.
Did anyone notice that at no point Pepe never try to throw the ball out to start a counter attack, this must come be Roy's instructions. .
Sooner the Roy goes is for the better, we are LIVERPOOL , not f* cing third rank team to be satisfied with draw against a team in bottom three and the idiot come out and says "we are lucky to have got a point". .roy do the honours and leave our Club, the greatest CLUB IN THE WORLD.

THANK YOU
Lankan Red

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 10:57:35

I just read this satement from Poulsen on the LFC website ''Liverpool is a great club and I feel really proud to be here. I feel I can improve and give a lot more." One things for sure, he couldn'nt get any fu* ing worse!

YNWA

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 10:41:45
To the eds

Can you offer an unbiased opinion? Is it me. have i lost the plot, can no one else see whats happening?
I just can't believe all these people defending roy. What are they seeing that i am unable to?

chris 1 {ed's note - it is not that they can't see the bad performances, they just think that he needs more time. They obviously don't understand that Hodgson is all about boring, defensive football, he has always made his teams play like we did yesterday. They should look into Danny Murphy's statements about training under Hodgson and how mind-numbingly boring it was and how he is now loving life under Hughes.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 10:39:56

STOP the RAFA crap now. That waster did more than anyone else in the last 20 years to destroy this Club. One more year and we would have been finished forever.
Clubfirst.com

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 10:32:36
Please all this talk of Roy not being good enough and people posting things like we miss Rafa and I wish Rafa came back. . .

All you t* ts should go and check how Inter is doing a relatively unchanged side, European and Serie A champs 09/ 10. . . and look at them this year!

Please try to remember what Roy inherited were only 12 games in! I'm not endorsing Roy or puttin him down I think a true fan should get behind the manager for at least one season even two and then discuss if they are good for the club or not.

The RealisT (sorry about spelling Im typing on a norwegian keyboard) {ed's note - that is to suggest that those of us who are unhappy with Roy want Rafa back. I know I certainly don't, Rafa is not someone I would want back at the club, he had his chance and failed.}
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So according to this logic we should have put up with H+G to see if they got better for another season should we?
If we give roy 2 seasons i just don't want to think where we would be. .probably below fulham

chris 1

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 09:52:39

Tired legs do me a favour! ! ! ! !1
man alive its the 11th november
torres and gerrard have been rested for more games than most other teams stars
the truth is woy aint good enough. . you can tell in the players body language that it aint a happy ship
if they thought woy was any good and they could see a bright future one of the so called big stars would be coming out to tell us.
lets get rid and move on. . if we really wanted it sunday we could of got 4 or 5 but know we went to paint dry football in 2nd half
and last night. . no i can't it hurts to much

 

 

11 Nov 2010 09:45:58

Please all this talk of Roy not being good enough and people posting things like we miss Rafa and I wish Rafa came back. . .

All you t* ts should go and check how Inter is doing a relatively unchanged side, European and Serie A champs 09/ 10. . . and look at them this year!

Please try to remember what Roy inherited were only 12 games in! I'm not endorsing Roy or puttin him down I think a true fan should get behind the manager for at least one season even two and then discuss if they are good for the club or not.

The RealisT (sorry about spelling Im typing on a norwegian keyboard) {ed's note - that is to suggest that those of us who are unhappy with Roy want Rafa back. I know I certainly don't, Rafa is not someone I would want back at the club, he had his chance and failed.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 09:35:08

We are undefeated in 5. 1 draw. And next 5 games?
Use your brain football is football and you never know.
I think Roy is doing an awesome job with what he has at his disposal.

Blair Maine go f#a@ yourself. You know nothing about football - its a game of patience , tactics and often luck. You get lucky you win or You might lose.
Why do you come on here with your negative and pessimistic s* t talk. You aim to divide the Liverpool faithful.
Those of you stupid enough to listen to his crap and support a warped stance get real and use your brains. Does he have any playing or coaching experience at the TOP level? Do you?

In Reply to the nonsense above,

What he had at his disposal? Only Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt, etc a squad of international players far superior to that of Wigans, and 20 minutes to go he takes of a striker one of the best performers at the world cup to replace him with Poulsen, YES POULSEN and who the hell though he was a good buy, HODGSON! And then in your next comment you attack Blaire saying he knows nothing about football, bl* dy hell mate take a look in the mirror! A win last night would have taken us to fifth, three points behind fourth instead we are ninth! And don't go on about making up those points in the next five games, those two points at the end of the year could be extremly valuable as we found out a few seasons ago!

I know one thing i'm not stupid enough to listen to your crap, this is Liverpool and we should play to win, not play to not loose, the minute we as supporters accept this attitude then we are mid table club with the same aspirations as Everton, Fulham, Blackburn fans!

YNWA

 

 

11 Nov 2010 09:20:56

Roy is doing an awesome job?! Roy looks like he has just peed himself and talks more s* t than Jamie Redknapp. The team won against Chelsea because of their personal pride and not because of that ugly ear scratching old git. .

 

 

11 Nov 2010 09:16:39

"Not a rumour, just s though. Just can't believe we have dropped three points."

We didn't drop 3 points we dropped 2 points.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 09:07:41

It all adds up to quality and dept, which we don't have. LFC have to reorganise the team and believe me its going to be a very difficult and painful process to get the right balance. We have quality in players who are closing to 30 years of age, our replacements are not there, plus the squad is not big enough.
Hendry has a task on his hands and HG better go for victories than go for a point. I rather we go for wins than collect a point.

Wipi.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 09:06:49

Hey guys, first time poster but been watching the site for a while now. I must say though That I'm definitely disapointed with a lot of you so called reds fans. I'd be surprised if a large number have even been to anfield before! Hardly anyone can really call themselves a reds supporter because a true supporter would follow their club with real loyalty, not get behind the team when we beat chelsea and then slate them when we draw a game against a decent and hard working wigan side.

I know Roy doesn't have us playing the most attractive football at the moment, but he has got us out of a proper slump that started last season. A slump that started because of signings that he never made, a slump that started with a manager that didn't have us playing attractive football since alonso left!

His signings are even starting to pay off. Konchesky is playing better and better (not a world beater but he's getting up to the pace) and it would be hard to knock Raul Mereleis at all. Even LUCAS is playing out of his skin. Really all we need is a proper winger (not a striker turned winger) like Mata or N'Zogbia (who was awesome last night) and another striker to give us some depth Ie Hulk or even Rodallega.

ALl I'm saying is that we need to get back to supporting the team not going on twitter like a tw@tter and calling for the axe! We're supposed to be the best supporters in the world and right now it must be said that you all sound like the worst.

Fanx!

PaddyTheRed {ed's note - we are also supposed to be the most knowledgeable supporters in the world. That should mean we can see the problems at the club and want to change them for the better. I support the club and want the best for it, sitting and watching a man drag us further into mediocrity is not my idea of support.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 08:54:00

11 Nov 2010 06:15:58

Ed re the above poster, again no mention of a sign off, due to possibly a change of tune against RH later in the season.

I personally think some of these posters whom fire abuse at others are way out of order. So Blair as he's opinion so do we all, BUT calling everyone dips@@ts before you even begin a post is somewhat negative towards everyone that posts on here. I think you should stop these kind of posts and the other Ed's should not publish them on this site in future as i for one find them offensive against myself as a reader and contributor to this great site.

We all have a say when LFC play badly but i do not fire abuse at others over it just because i do not agree with their comments!

Ed you opinion please

Lee73 {ed's note - I agree with you mate, but if they don't get posted it would look like the site is biased because all the abuse is coming from people who are backing Roy right now. I will just have to start editing the abuse out, I do agree there is no need for it.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 08:43:28

Like most I'm not completely happy with hodgson, I don't like a lot of the things he says in press conferences and I think he makes us sound like a small club sometimes. But people have to agree he's slowly turning it around, against chelsea was the best we've played in a long time. We are not too far off the top 4 if we can keep plugging away we might just nip past city as they implode. City with all their attacking talent didn't even look like winning last night.

The people who keep calling for hodgson are sounding like spurs fans who boo their team for a home draw not long after beating inter milan. Hodgson is slowly turning it around so if results continue you can't really call him. {ed's note - turning it around? Have you actually seen us play this season? We have played good football for all of about 60minutes in total. Other than that all we have is deep-lying defensive football with a manager who spends the entire match telling the players to get back if they dare to venture over the halfway line.}

 

 

11 Nov 2010 08:42:22

Anyone that says Kenny Dalglish wouldn't be able to manage us now is a fool. He learnt from Bob who learnt from Shanks, arguably the two greatest managers in English football history. He played in teams that revolutionised pass and move. Seeing that Comolli is in charge of transfers he couldnt go wrong. There's no doubt in my mind that we would win the Premier League with the King in charge

 

 

11 Nov 2010 08:41:58

Relax dips* ts

We are undefeated in 5. 1 draw. And next 5 games?
Use your brain football is football and you never know.
I think Roy is doing an awesome job with what he has at his disposal.

If you agree with the way we are playing and putting it down to luck, then you're going to be in for a massive surprise when Torres, Reina and a whole host of our youngsters go on to other teams and start performing a helping other teams get the results we should. I know people are going to say player power is too much, but we've been through a whole load of strikers before we found one that worked and Reina is irreplaceable and any one that thinks were going to get Shay Given or any other player off Man City, you are being naive. I hate being negative about Roy as he sounds a like a nice fellow but unfortunately we are now running short of time. Players are clearly not happy and all those saying it will be better in January and then listing a list of top quality players. Tell me this which top players do you think want to come to a team employing such negative tactics and one where there main stars are clearly bemused.

Bob Loblaw

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 08:35:32

OK so after watching the highlights on MOTD I can see 2 things. 1 Liverpool cannot kill off teams like we used to and 2. Joey Barton is nothing but a blue nosed thug!

Any news on why Shelvey came on so early and also Eccleston? I was suprised to see them on so early?

 

 

11 Nov 2010 08:31:25
I'm stil on my stand, roy isn't d kind of coach liverpool nids.He's not confident, not inspirational, ficcle-mind, has poor tactics, cant defend his players, he says rubbish in post match interviews.
We can giv him time til january b4 we sack him, yesterday was awful imagine us drawin wit wigan.On d bench we had ngog & jovanovic, dey didn't taste d match instead d idiot brought f*ckin poulsen, shelvey & eccleston.We nid width but dis idiot(roy) keep playin without winger.
In jan roy nids 2go.
Y.N.W.A
Kenny.G (NIGERIA)

 

 

11 Nov 2010 07:59:45
To whomever posted this rubbish

Blair Maine go f#a@ yourself. You know nothing about football - its a game of patience , tactics and often luck. You get lucky you win or You might lose.
Why do you come on here with your negative and pessimistic s* t talk. You aim to divide the Liverpool faithful.
Those of you stupid enough to listen to his crap and support a warped stance get real and use your brains. Does he have any playing or coaching experience at the TOP level? Do you?

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Ok. lets leave aside your somewhat childish and abusive rant at blair mayne for the moment.

So football is about tactics. fine, then would you be so kind as to explain roys tactics to me please. because i for one fail to see any beyond setting teams up to be as defensive as possible and not wanting to lose.
So if you win you are lucky. and you accuse blair for not knowing anything about football

Are you honestly trying to imply that only people who have coaching experience at the top can comment on football! So what does 40 years of watching, playing, coaching youngsters get me then. oh right, you have to be top level to know the sublties of roys masterplan.

Which particular part of your coaching manual does it say play players out of position, take an attacker off and put probably one of the worst midfielders we have on instead. when sitting on the bench is ngog, jan.
Point me to the chapter that says as soon as you are 1-0 up then get everyone back and play for a draw.
Negative and pessemistic talk. dividing people .pardon me but that's what i thought roys tactic were doing. .surely you can see how negative this man is
Its not the fact that we drew the game. its possible for any team to win, lose or draw. what you don't seem to comphrend is the manner in which we drew. . we were just awful.

Now in your delicate world you may be happy with that style of play, i for one am most certainly not.

By the way. what top level coaching experience do you have to come up with such wonderful concise and accurate assemments of our team. just be interested to know as you seem happy to slate anyone who doesn't share your somewhat eutopian version of reality

chris 1

 

 

11 Nov 2010 07:43:04
To the guy who wrote all this;

"Relax dips* ts

We are undefeated in 5. 1 draw. And next 5 games?
Use your brain football is football and you never know.
I think Roy is doing an awesome job with what he has at his disposal. . . "

do YOU know anything about football?
Do you even READ this site and do you KNOW what concerns we fans have?

Let me summarize this for you so its real simple and you won't have to spend the rest of the year figuring it out

1. ROY plays defensive football. .you can ask whoever you like, FAN, PUNDIT. .they will all agree

2. The man does not know how to deal with the press and how to answer questions when AT A BIG CLUB. .even if he THINKS we were lucky with a point (which is just wrong right off!) he can't say that!

3. He makes some of the weirdest tactical and substation decisions. .leaves quality on the bench and brings on defensive players and youngsters when we need a WIN. .he plays for draws

4. No aspiring young superstar wants to play for a manager who does not have ambition. .that is why they have the new gentleman in from Spurs to get us players.

5. Unbeaten does not mean good. it usually means safe. Roy can't take this club anywhere

so don't swear at other people. maybe watch football a little more and try to understand what the game is.

fool.

and if we fans want to talk to the owner. .who're you to suggest we shouldn't? anyway he knows and he has not guaranteed Roy's future, thank God!

 

 

11 Nov 2010 06:34:46

Cant understand we beat chelsea but we can't beat wigan not good enough we definately need another striker torres can't do it by him self if then they deserve to be in mid table to many defenders and midfielders not enough strikers you need at least three world class strikers and back up strikers if they don't mid table for couple of years

 

 

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 06:15:58
Relax dips* ts

We are undefeated in 5. 1 draw. And next 5 games?
Use your brain football is football and you never know.
I think Roy is doing an awesome job with what he has at his disposal.

Blair Maine go f#a@ yourself. You know nothing about football - its a game of patience , tactics and often luck. You get lucky you win or You might lose.
Why do you come on here with your negative and pessimistic s* t talk. You aim to divide the Liverpool faithful.
Those of you stupid enough to listen to his crap and support a warped stance get real and use your brains. Does he have any playing or coaching experience at the TOP level? Do you?

To the ed that supports people bombarding JWH twitter page, reconsider. JWH wants what's best for Liverpool. He wants the best supporters for his club not a bunch of dictators. Not supporters or ed who says get rid of RH and he must do it. This is not fantasy football.

RH has done well so far and will continue to grow this team. We have every possibility of winning every match that we play but when the odds are against us a point won is better than nothing.
I would prefer protecting a point than losing it.

Remember JWH is an intelligent man and he knows Liverpool belongs at the Top and the season is 38 matches and if Liverpool are not there than he will sanction the changes. Not after 12 matches when there is signs of impovement.
Win against Stoke is a possibility. 3 points hopefully.

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 06:07:43

We all scratched our heads at some of Rafa's subs. .

but Roy really does take the cake

 

 

11 Nov 2010 06:04:38

I can understand tired legs. .i can understand lack of depth and goal-scoring options. .

What i can't understand is a manager who says things like. .

'relieved with the draw'
'happy with a point'
'so what, its fair' (on Reina saying he'd move on)

its almost as though someone is paying him to crush fan expectations and turn Liverpool into a mediocre mid-table club inside out. . Its ok to draw when you're not the best team on the pitch but WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING NOT BEING THE BETTER TEAM AGAINST WIGAN?? ?? (no offence)

Arsenal and Chelsea both had games too, they still won their fixtures

Roy does not know how to manage a big team, so he's cutting us down to Fulham size. .

 

 

11 Nov 2010 05:58:01

Come back Rafa please - all is forgiven! I would rather be mid-table playing entertaining attacking football than Top 4 and having to watch Roy's defensive drivel. If we're going to draw with a relegation-bound team. . at least keep us awake for 90mins!
Roy's been a ok infill - now let's get a proper manager please.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 05:09:24

"{ed's note-. .The pressure has to be on him, that was an awful performance and terrible result.}"

True, ed, but question is:does John Henry know that?Does he understand that bringing on Poulsen for Kuyt 70+ minutes with the score at 1-1 is a horrendous decision?I doubt.

The only things Henry knows are:win, draw and lose.Players being played out of position;crap tactics etc have no meaning to the guy as he's a layman in this field.
Christ! the man thinks Hodgson's been unfairly criticised, and has stated he'll provide Hodgson with the resources he needs and his support.

So, let's forget it, lads, he ain't goin' nowhere-yet.So long as he keeps grinding out results, irrespective of the performances, he's as safe as he could ever be.I don't see Henry doing 180 in just two weeks by firing Roy.

As I'm writing this, I remember Hicks, after being shafted, saying how all of this might seem like a victory, but was, in fact, not, at least for now.And you know what lads?I think he was right.
They say that the last kick of a dying horse is very fatal.Hicks was the dying horse. .Hodgson is his kick.And boy how fatal has the kick Hodgson been.

Silver Song

 

 

11 Nov 2010 04:57:59
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS. . let's get some perspective here in regards to Hodgson. Whilst Roy's teams have never set the world alight in regards to entertainment, they are effective. If you want to blame him for the terrible start that we had to the season then surely you have to give him some credit for winning the last four games on the bounce? If it's nothing to do with Roy and we have won these games in spite of him and not because him then you have to point the finger and our exceedingly well paid players. .you can't have it BOTH ways.
People on here keep going on about the team of the late eighties and the football we played and yes it was amazing, but no-one complained when we played counter-attacking calculated football under Houllier and Benitez and won things. it was only in the barren years that the back-biting started. . (we wnt as far as we could in my opinion under both and for what they achieved i thank them).
Hodgson has his own ways of doing things and allied to new players coming in, it will take time to gel. . i don't advocate blind support, but give the guy a chance. . a win tonight and we will move up the table again. he may not be the answer, in fact he's probably not, but whilst he is our manager and we are moving in the right direction support him and the team.

G SPOT

I POSTED YESTERDAY AND GOT ABIT SLATED FOR IT, IT WENT ALONG THE SAME LINES AS THIS BUT I THINK THIS IS MAYBE WORDED BETTER BUT I TOTALLY AGREE.

MATTY B

 

 

11 Nov 2010 03:43:32

Yh last night was disappointing after such a bright start, Woy is scaring himself and the players by believing that they are a bad team and that the squad isn't strong enough for the premiership! If Commoli has got anything about him he would be straight on the blower 2moro to Assulins agent and sign him up straight away now that his National Service has finished! Nice bit of flair and width, all said and done the team looked shagged out RedRobbo

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 02:30:33

To the person who said
"Jonjo had plenty first team experience at charlton - - he should be ready, not go on loan". .
First of all, I might be a bit wrong, but I want the kid to get 90 mins night in and night out! He played 42 games with 7 goals while at Charlton, but he's currently playing out of position and looks lost with his passing at times. I've seen 6 games when he played with Charlton and he played a more central mid-field role with a different edge. The kid is still in awe at playing besides Gerrard! I'm sure with another season under his belt playing full time instead of trying to be the "next Gerrard" as ppl pressure him with, he'll be more "SEASONED". We are 5 points away from 4th spot and you all want to take chances with Jonjo? Come on. I'm still scratching my head thinking "where the f$%* is Daniel -The Killer- Pacheco! " Don't you all? ?!?!?!?
Roy makes me sick to my stomach when it comes to his thought process. Actually since Sammy Lee joined the camp again, we've gone down hill! Ask Paco when he left (disagreement with Rafa), where he left us- - 2nd place! !

We played against Wigan and Ngog (TOP SCORER) and Jovanovic (fantastic player NEEDING SOME PLAYING TIME TO ACCLIMATIZE HIMSELF TO THE PREM, BUT BURRIED ON THE BENCH! !) are on the bench, but his loyal "goat" Poulson is subbed on!
Anyhow, enough of my rant, but we can't play every academy player eventhough I love the kids and attend every home reserve game (in my budget!), but as I said earlier WE MUST come 4th or risk the chance of losing the likes of Torres, Reina and others! We have a better team than Arsenal and we're struggling at mid table! Let's be real Reds fans, we need a world class coach and the funny thing is that we have one attending each and every game?? KENNY DAGLISH! . .If not then another world class coach is needed! Pelligrini, Jol, Rikjaard! someone else but Roy!

January's In's
N'Zogbia 9M is a Must
Rodallega 9M is a Rumour
Bentley 5M or Kranjar 6M (might come due to Commoli-Bentley is still good, needs change)
and a LB that's better than Konchesky (horrible passing today! and our young stud in Galatasaray, Mr. Insua is playing well! BRING HIM BACK)
((would love Scott Parker! so much better than the one time linked player-G.Barry))

January Out's
Babel 8M (trust me, he's not as good as you all seem to say. Doesn't run the wings well, unless he's open, no control when he has the ball and only has that "fake then shoot" move)
Konchesky 4M
Poulsen Released (I wish) or true valuation -3M
Glen Johnson 15M
Aquilani - 15M-20M More suited for the Serie A
Loan out the youngsters!
and finally. .ROY "NOT NEEDED" HODGSON

TIME TO GET BACK INTO THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE! THIS IS LIVERPOOL, NOT SOME HOTSPUR :S OR SOME "WANNA BE" CHAMPIONS (MANCITY)

SIM THE RED
"IT'S A TIME FOR CHANGE! !"
"WINNING IS A PRIORITY FOR LFC, NOT AN OPTION!"

 

 

11 Nov 2010 02:24:08

Got to admit, shelvey's disappointed me so far, but he's still a kid. we needed the carling cup for this kid and our other youngsters. fortunately, he can only get better-he had one world class ball to torres in the match, a sign of things to come? hopefully

 

 

11 Nov 2010 02:01:53
Spriggo

Dalglish finished Premier League runner-up with Newcastle in his first 6 months and then finished mid-table and an FA-Cup runner-up in the following 12 months - many of the players he signed to rebuild Newcastle became mainstays of the side and the Premier League for many years .

At Celtic , Dalglish was a League runner-up and won the Scottish League Cup at Hampden Park having only inherited the Managers role during the season .

Kenny Dalglish's Managerial record is :-

4 League Titles
2 FA Cups
1 League Cup

4 time League runner-up
2 time FA Cup runner-up
1 time League Cup runner-up

4 time Manager of the Year Award

588 . . Games Managed

322 . . Games Won
148 . . Games Drawn
118 . . Games lost

Kenny Dalglish is younger than Wenger , Ferguson , Redknapp , Houllier and Hodgson .

Clearly a Great Manager and a better option for Liverpool Football Club .

1977

 

 

11 Nov 2010 01:48:19

We can want all the world class players on earth,
and maybe we`ll get 1 or 2 come january, but as long as this man is in charge the results will stay the same.
am growing weary of watching us get our noses in front, especially of late, then the team being told to sit back and defend what we have, then watch us get battered by the likes of wigan.
we are liverpool football club. .
and this s* t just is`nt good enough

rant over

the rev

 

 

11 Nov 2010 01:37:39

In Reply to the following;


Alright chaps iv set up a facebook page to rid of roy

just search Roy-out Of-lfc

- - -Im sorry but what an ignorant comment- - -

What is it with fans expecting over night success these days?! It is far too early to be judging Roy I believe. I was a big fan of Rafa but in fairness to Roy he was left a pretty poor squad bar a few standout individuals (Reina, Gerrard, Torres). LFC have always been fair and loyal giving managers time to build something so I don't see why rash decisions should be made now. Give Roy untill the end of the season at least.

 

 

11 Nov 2010 01:32:35

May have already been posted but the King is now on twitter. It's an official account as his son directed everyone there. Follow the tweets here: @kennethdalglish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 01:13:06
Not been able to watch a game until tonights MOTDs highlights as I'm working away. Just touched home soil. I was hoping we could be going the right way but the players and Managers confidence seem to be very fragile. I can't however understand the Hodgeson out theme. Let's put things in perspective. Benitez was a lucky man in both Champions League and FA cups when he won them. He struggled in the league mostly apart from 2 good seasons with progress. Hodgeson has has 12 league games and a few Europa League games with a very bare squad with piss poor moral. If as we have seen, we were to lose a few games the media attention and confidence loss would be catastrophic. I'm guessing this is why he is playing the cautious approach card for now. The fact is we need the squad strengthening and the players who haven't done it like Babel, Jovanovic and Johnson to go. The Dalglish thing also baffles me. Do people think he is a good Manager? I don't remember him doing anything with Newcastle or Celtic. He inherited a capable squad with us and bought one with Blackburn. As for Torres, Reina or any of them if they want to go, see you later. For the good of the club in the long term we have to have players who want to be there and work for 90 mins week in week out regardless of who they are playing with. The game may have evolved but some things don't change. Let's give this managaer some time and see where we are at Christmas, seeing as though we gave Houillier and Benitez 5 years a piece.

Spriggo {ed's note - surely he has had a 30+ year career to evaluate? During that career he has always played defensive football, so why do you think giving him until Christmas will change that? It is just his way, he spends hours on the training ground working on defensive shape.}

 

 

 

 

11 Nov 2010 00:07:19

POor hodgson anything less than 3 points on sat and the red fans are gonna take it to the next level. Like we always do come on lads daglish! He'll bring that passion we need until Jan then get a permanent replacement! Btw torres is probabaly wanting to leave with hodgson. Amazing touch by him wow!
Hope stoke don't show us up!