Liverpool Banter Archive April 11 2017

11 Apr 2017 22:01:12
I cannot believe people are turning their nose up at Sessegnon because he is a teenager.

Wonder if those same people are glad we turned away Dele Alli and signed James Milner a couple of years ago?

Not a pop at Milner by the way. Love the guy and think he is a very under rated player, but I just wanted to point out that the safe experienced option is not always the best option.

11 Apr 2017 22:29:31
I'm not against signing him, just making him first choice.

11 Apr 2017 22:46:22
I think Ed02 has shared the reasons why some of us have reservations, although he looks a top talent if he didn't hit the ground running people would be tearing strips out of a guy who is essentially a child. Perhaps pereira would be the better option.

11 Apr 2017 22:46:30
Who said he would be first choice? Milner will probably be the starting LB next season.

11 Apr 2017 23:02:29
You make out the club wanted Milner over Alli .

Alli did not join because FSG did not what to pay the money because they seen it to expensive.

11 Apr 2017 23:05:04
Milner will definitely not be starting left back next season, he's beyond average, really poor crosser, slows down every attack as he turns on to his right foot and blocks phil's space and he is constantly being targeted by the opposition.

12 Apr 2017 07:21:27
Our problems are obviously at the defensive end of the pitch - both in terms of basic organisation and personnel - but this has been the case for some time now and there's little evidence to suggest that this will change short term.

12 Apr 2017 10:20:47
MK Scouser,

I mentioned this on a post before but I am a season ticket holder at Fulham and have seen a lot of him. I don't doubt that he isn't good enough, what worries me is that he may be a season away from being ready for us. What worries me is if we buy him, he has a few games in which he makes mistakes (like any young player would) and then some of the fans jump on his back, his confidence drops and he rots away in the reserves or is shipped out on loan numerous times around the country (like Markovic who many (including Ed002 herself) would agree was bought in a season too soon) .

From watching him play this season I think he could be exactly what we need long term! I just want it to be properly planned out, whether that involves him spending a season on loan back at Fulham or him being integrated into the team slowly in cup games, I don't know! The lad is only 17 (just? ) after all!

Red Sandman.

12 Apr 2017 14:41:36
maybe the best option for the young lad, would be for Liverpool to buy him, but loaning him back to Fulham for the next season, to assist in his development as a player .

{Ed002's Note - The situation is such that Fulham will look to sign him to a professional contract and look to keep him at the club. They may be open to a proposal from another side that includes a player and a two year loan back but they will not look to a straight sale. It has been made clear to me today that there are also those still at Fulham who are reluctant to do business with Liverpool. So it is possible something can be done but it would be very difficult.}

12 Apr 2017 15:27:59
lol what's the improvement if we keep the same backline next season? We need a change in personal coz we are poor at the back Drigan.

12 Apr 2017 15:39:32
I'm not saying the club chose one over the other. My point is that we refused to pay the money for Alli because of his age, and then signed a veteran instead for midfield who was costing 5 times more in wages. Alli is now the best goal scoring midfielder in Europe, and Milner plays at left back.

12 Apr 2017 16:03:36
Turned Down Alli for Milner? that wasn't the options.

12 Apr 2017 16:13:53
So you doubt he's good enough?

12 Apr 2017 20:23:21
I think everyone has missed the point of my post.

Sigh 😏🙄🙄.

12 Apr 2017 20:24:52
Give Origi, Alli didn't come here cos the deal could not be done and NOT cos FSG did not want to pay the money. How do you reckon that? his fee was 5.5m if my memory serves me right so how do you know FSG pulled the plug. You do know the owners don't sign players nor give an opinion as to who to sign right? Stop projecting as it is getting tedious always blaming FSG with no evidence.

Personally, I couldn't be bothered if Alli did not come here. With the "genius" in charge and his "uncanny" ability to always play square pegs in round holes, Alli would prolly have been playing in goal or at DM or RWB or whatever. Just let it go cos BR would have no idea what to do with him just like he had no clue of what to do with Can, Lallana and Firmino. What makes you think Alli would have been different?

{Ed025's Note - the deal was not completed because ian ayre tried to play silly buggers with the dons, they wanted 5.5 and ayre offered a take it or leave it 5m and the dons refused...what a 22 carat pratt..

12 Apr 2017 21:14:43
Chileanred, try reading it again. I never stated we turned down Alli "for" Milner. Only that we passed on Alli due to wages, but were happy to sign Milner on a far bigger salary; hence my point that the experienced option is not always the right option.

11 Apr 2017 20:35:28
How many points we thinking will get us top 4?
Think 4 wins from 6 will do it.

11 Apr 2017 20:45:12
72 points mate. UTD and Arsenal have an uphill battle. 4 more wins.

11 Apr 2017 21:11:54
4 wins and a draw should be enough, Arsenal are in awful form and Utd have some tough fixtures and the Europa league to contend with.

11 Apr 2017 21:49:15
Beat West Brom. Then think about the next game.

11 Apr 2017 21:50:40
I just did a predictor from now till the end of the season and it came out as us finishing 3rd with 77 points ahead of Man City and Man U in that order.
We will drop points from now to the end of the season I think and I think it will be against West Brom and West Ham (we always seem to struggle against them) .

11 Apr 2017 22:04:03
I said yesterday that even 70 might be enough. I am sticking with 70 but would welcome us just blitzing the remainding games and blowing the chasing pack out the water.

11 Apr 2017 22:13:44
Palace will be a tough game. I know Sakho won't be available but you just know big Sam will set up to defend and counter at pace.

11 Apr 2017 22:56:02
Exactly as MK said, we should not be looking beyond West Brom, some people thought we were going to run away with the league in October/ November, pundits and fans. Will be a tough game, all of them will be tough. We are without key players too, so we shouldn't look beyond Sunday. let's worry about the games as they come, we should see then after where we stand. If Utd win their 2 games in hand they are level with us on points. We shouldn't count our chickens lads, bring on West Brom.

12 Apr 2017 00:14:28
I think one more point than 5th should clinch it.

12 Apr 2017 01:33:14
Just win all 6 an not worry about it.

12 Apr 2017 00:53:54
Gayle who signed for raffa is no longer with palace.
He used to run us ragged.
Thanks Raffa,

12 Apr 2017 01:12:51
Sorry Bilverstone, how's your arm? Didn't mean to snatch it off with your post ;)

12 Apr 2017 20:37:35
One game at a time, please, Thanks.

11 Apr 2017 20:01:39
Arsenal losing to Palace has to be one massive blow. They might have 2 games in hand but 9 points gap we have over them I think will be too much. Same thing can happen to UTD vs Chelsea over the weekend. Can't see UTD beating Chelsea.

Top 4 spot is Liverpool's to throw away. Come on boys, make us proud!

11 Apr 2017 20:53:36
It's always been in hands we just need to keep picking up points. We won't be the only team to drop points and with the rest of the top 7 playing against eachother someone going to drop points.

11 Apr 2017 21:24:09
going to be nail biting action for all top six teams, were all going to feel the heat and drop a point or two, just got to keep our nerve .

11 Apr 2017 22:15:07
Every games a final from now till the end. Depends which Liverpool turns up in each game.

11 Apr 2017 18:21:37
Hi Eds, a question about Ojo. Would you give him a few games now Mane is out? or is that too risky when pushing for a top 4 finish? I know Ojo's highly rated by many but does Klopp rate him? As I keep seeing us linked with other wide players, who I guess would be ahead of him. Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - he is not performing well enough to deserve the chance. Woodburn has moved ahead of him for a reason.}

11 Apr 2017 18:48:54
I think ojo will struggle to break through with us now that players have moved ahead of him. I'm sure he is assessing his future prospects and if he moved on in the summer (loan or transfer) and gets first team football he is still young enough to turn out a top player.

11 Apr 2017 18:40:12
Yeah but Woodburn isn't a winger though and doesn't have the pace the Ojo or Wilson have, and the one thing we lack is pace if Mane is out of the team.

11 Apr 2017 21:51:00
Dennis are you sure you have the right player there? Woodburn has far more pace than Wilson, and whilst Ojo is probably marginally quicker in full flight Woodburn has a far superior turn of pace.

Not to mention the fact he has always played on the left wing for the youth sides and u23's.

I don't mean to cone across as patronising but I think you have definitely got him confused with someone else.

12 Apr 2017 01:00:31
Woodburn is real quality and does what Klopp wants.
All the lad needs is to build up his physical strength.
The lad is going to be a huge player for us, hopefully for 15 years.

11 Apr 2017 11:47:57
Just a little bit of fantasy football for Ed001 (and anyone else who fancies answering)

If you had a choice between Tierney and Sessegnon for left back, who would you sign and why?

Cheers in advance :)

{Ed001's Note - Sessegnon, because he should be a lot cheaper. Tierney looks a fantastic player too, but the price will be ridiculously high with all the interest. Though it would be good just to annoy Ed007 if we got Tierney!}

11 Apr 2017 12:14:49
Sessegnon, nothing to do with cost just think he will be the better of the two.

11 Apr 2017 13:32:32
It looks like Sessegnon is the guy for LB then. I hope we get him cos based on reports and ED01, the kid is top class and is ready for the huge step up.

{Ed002's Note - Yep, no risk at all with a part time schoolboy playing LB for the first team.}

11 Apr 2017 14:17:33
For what it's worth I would go for Sessegnon too. He has looked excellent in a team which have faltered a fair few times in a very tough league which is just as fast paced and physical as the Premiership.

Tierney, whilst clearly a talent, has looked excellent for a team who could send out 9 players every week and still win the league at a canter.

For me Sessegnon would be much less of a risk.

11 Apr 2017 14:28:40
Not seen much of Sessegnon so can't really comment too much on him. Have seen a bit of Tierney though and he is a very good upcoming player, not sure if he will move anywhere at moment as he is in a good position playing in front of big crowds every 2nd week and gaining some european experience and I believe at his boyhood club. Celtic are a very well run club though and will have no need to sell so will take a fair amount for them to accept any bids.

11 Apr 2017 15:06:28
Unsurprising to see another facile comment from Ed002 to provoke the knuckledraggers and generate more traffic on the site. Why does he do it when at other times he gives us fascinating insights into hoe football is run?

{Ed002's Note - The problem with this site is the cretins like you who really don't undertand the game or the rules at all and seem to think the solution is taking a cheap shot at me. As I have explained, he is a schoolboy - he counts as a child in the eyes of the football authorities and he is required to ATTEND SCHOOL UNTIL HE IS 18. He is also LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT OF HOURS HE CAN SPEND TRAINING each week - so he won't be able to train full time with the first team but if you and Klopp don't see that as important, then it doesn't surprise me that Liverpool supporters are unconcerned are happy to still have him in the side as a starter from the off. Trying to explain the simple matters to people like you is a waste of my time - you don't understand, and you are clearly not bright enough to ever understand. You don't want the truth and have no interest in understanding the potential issues. Pathetic.}

11 Apr 2017 15:14:15
Difficult to tell .

I would say that Tierney has not had the same level of challenge week in week out as Sessegnon.

Although both players are attracting interest as good young players with bags of potential. I would say that Tierney may not move this year, and if he shines in Champions League his value will rocket with United reportedly tracking him along with others.

For me Sessegnon looks a bit closer to starting and seems to be available and keen on a move. A bonus for us will be the fact that of all the top 6 he has an opportunity to nail down a shirt with us due to a lack of quality in that area.

kobi.

11 Apr 2017 15:20:47
fair enough with your comments ed. and I can understand where u r coming from but also understand why some people here don't like the things u say or mainly how you say it. my question to u then is? who would u sign for as lb then?

{Ed002's Note - They are brainless cretins RA, just ignore them. Sessegnon is a wonderful talent which is why there is som much interest in him - but he is not one to be throw in the the Premier League as a starter. Liverpool are very interested and would do better to come up with a proposal that sees him loaned back for a year or two. I had proposed that Liverpool looked to Ryan Bertrand previously but they didn't do it - he would have been a great long term solution. Pushing for Sead Kolasinac when Liverpool had the chance would have been another very good solution - Faouzi Ghoulam and Gaya are both likely to move this summer - but both could be beyond probably Liverpool. Ricardo Pereira is a player the club really likes and can play in either full back position - he would be a good solution now.}

11 Apr 2017 15:24:25
You just come across as rude with some of your comments Ed 002, you've obviously got a wealth of knowledge and I really enjoy your sharkopods too but it just seems you have an attitude towards posters sometimes. I agree that there are some cretins on here and it is annoying reading some posts but you can be rude to someone who has a reletively good question/ point of view. You haven't been rude to me but I've read many of your comments and thought it was a tad harsh.

{Ed002's Note - They are not harsh - they are honest and straightforward. The modern day football supporter is far from the brightest as you will no doubt be aware. I try not to use any long words as this tends to confuse them. We don't discuss money because few of them can even grasp the absolute basics. The Liverpool supporters are generally rather damp. And if you don't like it here, or are scared of me upsetting you, I am sure there are other sites you can visit.

The word "fan" derives from the word "fanatic" which would be someone who could be described as zealously keen on their team (e.g. Liverpool, Everton, Third Lanark), a particular player (e.g. Ronaldo and Messi will no doubt have "fan" clubs) or perhaps the singer from a beat music combo such as the Beatles, Cliff Richard or, favorites of mine, the Frumious Bandersnatch.

Supporters tend to be much more calm and cheerful people (not like the vein-popping, eye-bulging, tattooed, knuckle-dragging, bonehead fans whose ugly slobbering faces are pressed against the windows of the opposition coaches). They often have nice cream heavy-knit jumpers and own lilac-colored labradoodles that they are teaching to talk. They often carry very small combs that they use to groom their mustaches.}

11 Apr 2017 15:40:11
Not a LB but what a performance Kieran Trippier put in over the weekend. If memory serves me correct we were interested in signing him when before he moved to Spurs. Proper attacking fullback which is what we desperately need. We instead signed Clyne :-o.

11 Apr 2017 15:43:23
That's a better comment Ed, see you can do it when you try. A bit of humour thrown in there too. You won't upset me either, I enjoy the site and I enjoy football too but won't get upset over it. It doesn't mean enough to get upset over, I guessed I'm a supporter not a fan!

{Ed002's Note - Good, I am glad.}

11 Apr 2017 16:01:08
ed002 you are a .........

{Ed002's Note - Obviously I removed the abuse, this new account you have created and are now sending in abusive posts from, and all of your other accounts. But I would like you to think about (a) how humorous I find this absolutely pathetic activity, and (b) how embarrassing the decent Liverpool supporters will find it having another supporter create accounts simply to abuse an Editor who gives his time to worthless glifnards like you for nothing, and of course (c) supporters of other sides who see you making the Liverpool supporters a laughing stock.}

11 Apr 2017 16:33:38
Pls delete the abusive accounts Ed02 - we don't need them. you can be 'direct' sometimes but we love the knowledge you willfully share with us and it's always appreciated.

P. s does a Maltese poodle count even if I didn't have any say in choosing it? Tip no.1 pick your dog before your kids are old enough to speak.

{Ed002's Note - Labradoodle, lilac, bright enough to learn to speak, doesn't need to use the bathroom.}

11 Apr 2017 17:15:09
Sessengon won't come cheap. Fulham could play the hard ball and there are many cvkhbs howling around the player. i am guessing we will have to rely on Milner again!

11 Apr 2017 17:22:01
Sessegnon. Coz Klopp couldn't do any wrong lol.

11 Apr 2017 17:37:23
good question Red, only I don't think that we will sign either of them, one will stay were he is, and the other should stay were he is, for another season at least .

11 Apr 2017 18:57:53
Harry, if Sessegnon is not signed then we move on and I doubt Klopp will go with milner again. Remember, had the deal with Chilwell not fallen through, he would be here right now at LB and not Milner. In hindsight, Klopp was right cos Chilwell has not been great whenever I've seen him this season. Milner has been solid, not great BUT solid so Klopp gets credit for that.

However, a true LB is required and Perreira would be my choice as he is older and more experienced so glad we are really interested in him too. Sessegnon may be too young to make the step up and I believe Ed02. Why? He/ She said the same thing about Markovic not being ready when he came and we all know how that worked out.

11 Apr 2017 19:01:11
blimey. get the landing net out, someones got a bite! Calm down guys / girls.

11 Apr 2017 19:04:22
Idiots on this site take some serious cheap shots at ed2. I used to think that ed2 had it out for Liverpool fans and maybe he does have some unpleasant reservations on some of us but at times people attack his opinions just because he's not a Liverpool fan. If ed1 had made the same comment (and I'm not taking a shot at ed1 I'm merely stating that ed1 has made similar comments before about other players) no one would bat an eyelid because he's a Liverpool fan. I'm not saying ones right and ones wrong, I'm saying that it's the eds opinions and it is mainly ed2 opinions that gets attacked. So what if he's rude at times, that's the ed2 we've come to like, that's who he is and if it wasn't for him and the other eds we wouldn't have any of this type of information.

On this specific topic, ed2 in my opinion is right. Liverpool need an established long term solution which is easier said than done but how long has it been without a top quality left back? How come we've got it wrong so many times in these types of areas? The last thing we need to do is go for potential or 'building for the future' which as we have seen countless times before very rarely happens. sessegon looks a real prospect for his age and If we did go for him I would loan him back as ed said. For the positions that have been so weak for so long we need to finally find the solution instead of taking punts and risks like karius for example. This is the summer where we need to improve the first team without question, no more 'depth' or 'youth' we need to improve that first 11 as much as we can to compete, the players from the current first team that get replaced either become the depth or get moved on for the youth we've already got, otherwise it will be a repeat of 14-15 season especially with the possibility that our best player could be going.

11 Apr 2017 19:32:58
Disappointing to see World Cup winner Bernard Diomede resort to abusing ed002 🙄

Well handled ed 🤠.

11 Apr 2017 20:07:17
Diomede wow quite a few players I forget even played for us.

11 Apr 2017 17:02:20
It is pathetic.

11 Apr 2017 17:14:22
Got there in the end.

11 Apr 2017 18:14:43
Ed- did I read Kolisanic is likely to go elsewhere?
Sure I saw another top European team were in for him.

{Ed002's Note - I have no way of knowing what you read.}

11 Apr 2017 20:41:30
I saw deli alli at 16 and would have taken him then, Rooney made his debut at 16 and has done ok 😬 Ed2 you are the Adrian Durham of this site.

{Ed002's Note - Please don't taint me with her.}

11 Apr 2017 22:15:11
I genuinely believe that, like in some backward and inbred parts of the country where an asbo is seen as a badge of honour, there are some people on this site who hold being called a gilnard by Ed002 in similar esteem.

Just my two pence worth, now where did I leave my moustache comb.

11 Apr 2017 23:01:51
I would definitely go for Tierney. Probably because I'm Scottish, great attitude and game intelligence but he's in no hurry to move . Don't think he'll move on until Celtic have either done 10 in a row or if they blow it . He played right back in the last international and was Scotland's best player on the night and he's played in plenty big European games he wouldn't be fazed by a move to Liverpool.

11 Apr 2017 03:30:01
hey ed001, what's the play regards sessengon and the transfer ban. I feel like I read you saying that the ban means we couldn't sign him? but can't find it in search.

{Ed001's Note - I never said anything about it. We can't sign players for the academy but I very much doubt we would want him for the academy. He is a better left back than most in English football and would walk into our first team right now. As he will be 17 soon, we can sign him on a professional, rather than academy contract. If I remember rightly, he turns 17 in May.}

11 Apr 2017 08:31:49
He is very young and would need a season or two to get used to the pace of the PL. I see it as a pointless signing. We need a first team player. An experienced left back.

11 Apr 2017 09:31:05
Age has nothing to do with it Harry, if he's good enough then get him in. These players have got to start their premier league careers somewhere and he's going to be a great player. I'd rather he comes in next season, he's going to make some mistakes but it's part of the learning.

11 Apr 2017 09:26:20
Ed001 do you expect us to sign him in the summer?

{Ed001's Note - I certainly expect us to try, and, despite Harry's mumblings, the lad is more than ready for the Prem's pace. He is showing his ignorance of English football there, or he would know the Championship is faster and more physical than the Prem.}

11 Apr 2017 10:37:21
I worry about chucking a lad so young straight into the first team, one mistake and our "fans" will rip him to shreds like Karius.

11 Apr 2017 10:38:22
cool thanks ed. maybe it was ed002? anywho that is helpful as now I understand the ban better!
I thought that we couldn't sign any player in an academy or had been in academy for past 18 months.
I do hope we get him, has a cracking future and looks like he has the temperament to step right into the prem league for us in the way Gomez did for that brief spell before he go injured.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know, I will have to reread the ruling, as you have a point on that last bit. Having reread it, I am still unsure: will be prohibited from registering any academy players who have been registered with a Premier League or EFL club in the preceding 18 months. That could be interpreted to mean we cannot sign anyone who was in an academy within the last 18 months. Though I took it to mean that we just could not register them for our academy, the wording is vague enough to be uncertain.}

11 Apr 2017 11:34:52
Disagree Mikey, the lad has experience of playing regularly in England and left back is a position where you are not in the spotlight as much as keeper.
Good enough = old enough.

11 Apr 2017 10:59:03
Hmm k hopefully some gurus can help us! But often these things can tested in court if its vague enough aye? My sense is that it is the former and we simply can't sign academy players to any level of our club. I can't imagine why the ruling would allow us to sign an academy player on a technicality to the first team if that wasnt the intention. But ye, maybe ed02 knows for sure!?

{Ed002's Note - It would not go to court - if Liverpool continue to ignore the rules and the regulations there will be further fines, longer bans, points deductions etc.. All of the "good enough" is "old enough" is nonsense as the fans don't understand the difference between being professional and not - they don't understand the rules surrounding children and they certainly don't understand the responsibilities the club has. Under 18 they have to attend school and they are limited by hours how much they can train each week. And there are a bunch of other rules that need to be adhered to as well. Signing on a schoolboy who can only thrain part time to play as a first team player in the premier league is stupidity itself. Is Klopp that stupid? Another interested side has a proposal which includes a player as part of the deal and a two year loan back to Fulham. Another wants him for the junior sides and another will look to a loan abroad and monitor the situation. Doing anything else could be detrimental to his career.}

11 Apr 2017 13:00:55
Ed 2 said we could sign him because it would be a pro contract.

{Ed002's Note - He can be signed to a professional contract but he is still a child and will need to be dealt with accordingly - restricted training, going to school etc..}

11 Apr 2017 15:48:36
Ron, you are right BUT Mikey still has a point. Patience is becoming extinct among many of our fan base and if you think they won't get on the kid's back when he struggles (COS HE WIIL), then you are fooling yourself. Karius is a good example and that should NEVER be ignored.

11 Apr 2017 16:11:03
Ed 002, I thought students could leave school after the age of 16? Or has Sessegnon made the choice to continue, meaning the club have to work around his schooling?
Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - All players must receive education until the age of 18 and they are restrited as I have explained.}

11 Apr 2017 17:13:34
Just like we bought the second best keeper from bundesleague ( Young and Learning ) . My opinion. I wouldn't drop a penny on anymore kids. We have enough with us.

11 Apr 2017 18:31:41
There's plenty of youngsters break into teams and play regularly and have to train as well as receive an education. Why couldn't Sessignon do it at LFC? Is there no under 18's on professional contracts?

11 Apr 2017 20:29:09
I don't think he will struggle, but what do I know?
Milner and him share the left back slot. Who better to mentor him than Milner, a player who also played premier league football as a kid and has had a great career?

Just an opinion, as sensible or as daft as anyone else 🤠.

14 Apr 2017 01:52:58
ah I see see, thanks eds.
so we could sign sessengon to a pro contract and have him in the first team, but that could be detrimental to his development ye? i tend to agree with that.

if we were to sign him and develop him the right way - probably then only really viable option for us that wouldn't breach our ban would be to send him back to fulham? I struggle to see how sending a 18 yr old abroad would be good for him, especially a british lad?

{Ed002's Note - As I have explained on another thread, Fulham would be reluctant to do business with Liverpool and I think this is a player you can set aside for the time being.}