Liverpool Banter Archive November 10 2016

10 Nov 2016 17:52:47
Hey eds what is the rumour going around on twitter about Liverpool and Israel? Sponsorship or something like this some are even talking about a flag on the shirt etc I know its probably nothing but still can you clear things up?

Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool shirts will not be having the Israeli flag on them. This goes back to August or September and I imagine has arisen again due to some contact between the city and Tel Aviv.}

10 Nov 2016 21:33:26
Forgetting the shirts Ed. Is this purely financial or is political aswell? Do you think it is a strange move by the club to to even put themself's in a position where fans might see this as a political stance. It's a very sensitive subject for a lot of people.
I understand completely if you can not or don't want to post or reply to this post. Thanks anyway.

{Ed002's Note - Chambers of Commerce from different cities meet with representatives of businesses all of the time, and that includes sporting clubs etc.. There is nothing political involved - you think the Iranian Messi would move to a club with white sirts and a blue Star of David on it?}

11 Nov 2016 00:58:52
If we have connections and somehow manage to win the league anytime soon. Everyone will think we did it through corruption. No thanks, let's not deal.

{Ed002's Note - Where do you get this nonsense from.}

11 Nov 2016 10:12:59
Lol Iraninan Messi. Ha ha ba.

10 Nov 2016 14:31:30
Hi Eds

I remember one of the eds saying something along the lines of a player making a big mistake and would be moved on in January.

As Sturridge was mentioned a lot at that time, some of us thought it was him. Since then, though, he seems to have been working hard and happy under the circumstances.

So has there been any change with the player mentioned?

{Ed002's Note - I really have no idea what you are talking about. I have made no secret of the club's desire to sell Sakho but have not said anything regarding a "big mistake".}

10 Nov 2016 13:23:39
Ed001 or Ed002, both your opinions are greatly valued.

Do you think we need to bring in a replacement for Mane this Jan (due to the ACON)? I think i'm the only one on the planet who thinks its a ridiculous suggestion. We already have Wijnaldum (played there previously), Origi, Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana who can operate those roles and Sturridge can go into #9 and Firmino can drop back into attacking midfield.

Also, crossing your fingers and hoping a player from another league will instantly settle seems a stupid gamble and unless Sturridge were leaving again I don't see the need.

We have Ojo who will be coming back into the fold too and I see him as a very nice option for us so where would that leave him if we bought another attacking option?

Thoughts are appreciated and if love to hear others opinions on this too.

{Ed001's Note - no, we don't need a replacement. I think it is more intended as a kick up the arse to the alternatives.}

10 Nov 2016 15:17:35
sorry but Wijnaldum is not a replacement for mane. i hope klopp doesn't go that route and plays sturridge or origi instead. when mane came off last match we never looked like scoring another till sturridge was brought on 15 minutes later.

10 Nov 2016 14:55:33
Exactly ed1.

11 Nov 2016 07:17:50
Didn't Wijnaldum score Wiseryan?

As a one for one replacement they ar not the same type of player as we know but GW is a class player who absolutely provides an alternative to replace Mane in the starting 11.

We should remember that up until his short injury he was indeed part of the 11 starters and proved very reliable and capable.

The thing about GW if you have ever followed him outside of the current city is that he has a fair amount of versatility he can and will score goals too. At Liverpool so far he's played with a smile on his face even when coming on from the bench and has put in solid if not exceptional performances throughout. However he does also have exceptional in him.

In a nutshell a definite consideration for the starting 11 as Mane is away. I'd argue he should be in there now anyway (not as replacement for Mane generally) .

11 Nov 2016 00:09:27
Lallana can do a job out on the right. We have plenty that can play centrally to cover too.

10 Nov 2016 09:59:55
Just been thinking, with Brexit, once article 50 gets triggered and we end up out, how much would that affect the british clubs doing transfers?

Would it make transfers more expensive, cheaper or would there simply be no change? I don't know how it works when it comes down to the football side of things. maybe it's a little to early to know how it'll pan out?

{Ed002's Note - It will make no significant difference in terms of transfers.}

10 Nov 2016 10:34:37
Thanks for the reply ed2. I was hoping that would be the case. I'd heard from nobody in the know that it might of increased prices drastically. Thankfully that's not going to happen.

10 Nov 2016 11:36:18
The prices that are going to increase drastically are the prices of the things you use and need everyday - but yeah thank god footballers will remain only grossly over-priced.

10 Nov 2016 12:47:02
Well chosen specific words Ed.

Depending on the deal that can be struck I assume visas and work permits could be affected?

{Ed002's Note - Potentially, but I have dealt with that before - probably searching "Brexit" would get a hit.}

10 Nov 2016 13:23:34
Exactly, Seano. People did not know the impact of Brexit at the time as they had no clue of what the EU actually does and the huge advantages, perks and subsidies that businesses and industries that its member nations get. No wonder they wanted a re-vote or try to take advantage of these perks and benefits while still being out of the EU. Elections matter and just like in the U. S, they all have consequences. The Brexit vote will deal a hefty blow to the British economy and that will be no joke, especially on an economy that was already severely fragile. Now Britain will feel the full brunt of the economic crunch with out being a member state.

{Ed001's Note - yet there are plenty of countries in Europe not in the EU that have much stronger economies. It is far too simple to say Britain will suffer, no one knows yet.}

10 Nov 2016 15:01:17
Well I voted out and believe it's the best thing for us (as did the majority) but this is about liverpool so will leave it there. Hamilton I usually agree with what you say but can't with that mate but each to their own opinion of course. Spot on ed2. be all and end all is nobody knows. to me we was fine before we joined. We'll be fine when we leave.

10 Nov 2016 16:28:39
Liverpool the city voted to stay in! We have a very multicultural, diverse set of people that can see the big picture.

10 Nov 2016 19:10:00
We voted, like the citizens of the USA, for change. It's pathetic how the Remainers and Clintonites can't accept the democratic processes and the reasons why both votes went as they did.
2016 has been absolutely brilliant!

10 Nov 2016 19:46:16
2016 has been a political car crash in which we will all be victims. Bigotry, hate and xenophobia have led the way. The only, and I mean only, bright light has been the form of our team and the impact Klopp is having. Long may it last.

10 Nov 2016 20:16:23
Got to respect democracy, don't fancy the alternatives.
I voted to remain, but that's history now.

10 Nov 2016 21:52:01
2016 makes me glad i moved to Australia. I suspect the reason pro-Brexit Voters wanted out had nothing to do with free trade and economic policy, but mostly to do with xenophobic paranoia. The next few years in the UK will be interesting times for the UK.

10 Nov 2016 21:52:31
With Trump gaining the presidency without the real backing and endorsment of the republican  party it has dealt a hammer blow to all the lobby groups, voting blocks and vested interests who cund these parties and have hamstrung Obama and any other progressive governments on issues such as illegal Settlements in Palestine etc. Hopefully now the playing field will be more level.

10 Nov 2016 22:09:55
I have got to say while i have disagreed with some views on both brexit and donald trump i have lov3d that the debate has been well argued and respectful on both sides. Well done chaps.

11 Nov 2016 04:08:59
@John barnez - 'well argued and respectful'? I am going to assume you're referring to the good people commenting on here as opposed to the actual debates themselves!

IMO Brexit was a mishmash of misinformation and lies ('let's give the 350million we spend on the EU to the NHS' - one day later 'yeah we won't be doing that') - I believe one political commentator called it a lurch into a post-factual democracy i. e. a democracy in which the facts or the experts are no longer necessary as the public would rather listen to cheap soundbites. It is no coincidence that the few experts on the EU, EU law, EU trade practices etc, etc all said that leaving would damage the UK. Out of an expert in their field and a politician of the ilk of Farage or Boris Johnson I know who I'd listen to.

As for respectful? The presidential campaign in America was one of the dirtiest in living memory. Constant mudsligning, constant accusations and taunts and a distinct lack of class. And, as with Brexit, factual assertions or concrete promises on policy direction were very thin on the ground. Like Brexit what people were really voting for was completely hidden in the lies of the politicians whilst being fueled by the mainstream media. Honestly both debacles have been a damning inditement of democracy and how our democratic systems function. Citizens, in both cases, ended up being swayed by an extremely right-wing, outlook on immigration; citizens who voted for Brexit and Trump respectfully were also of a similar demographic (old) whilst those in opposition were, in significant numbers, young.

There is a saying that 'society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in' - what we have seen is the xenophobic baby-boomer generation (one of the most fortunate generations in history), who are now old men (and women), rip up the trees for future generations. I feel incredibly sad for the young, they deserve so much better.

11 Nov 2016 04:53:14
I voted for Brexit. Frankly am fed up of being labelled a xenophhobe. Having worked with European colleagues for over 2 decades it is clear that committees get nothing done. I've seen decision paralysis, corruption and huge wastes of taxpayers money.
Living in the SE, I've also seen first hand the effects of unlimited immigration on public services. Civil service guesstimates service demand on census information and some growth projections. Their plans are inflexible and do not fluctuate with immigration rates. This leads to incorrect and insufficient resource allocation (money directed to the right places) . It takes years to train doctors and teachers. The system simply is too slow to respond.
So I voted for limits on immigration. NOT for xenophobia. I see immigration as a positive culturally.

11 Nov 2016 08:53:05
@Ron - Good to see that mate, there's not a lot of people out there who can simply accept it didn't go their way. Nice one mate.

@John Barnez - Spot on, it's good to have a conversation instead of a rant fest, atleast people here can keep it cool.

11 Nov 2016 18:15:55
Level playing field? Good luck with that, Dermot. I live in America and I can tell you that Trump will be a disaster, just like he`s been a disaster as a businessman with 6 bankruptcies. He is also facing three fraud charges in three different states here starting next week, as well as a rape case in December. He also has reportedly up to 75 law suits against him lodged by people who he allegedly did not pay for doing contract jobs for his business. If found guilty of any of these, it will be a felony, for which the penalty is jail and impeachment. he has no plan, no ideas, and to me, no intention of actually working hard for good of the people. He was able to manipulate the angry, racists, sexists, xenophobes and supporters of rape culture to get elected and he will have to put up or be voted out in 4 years, if not impeached before that.

12 Nov 2016 00:04:16
But if the 2 candidates are so bad how are they allowed to run for the presidency?
Even to own a football club here you have to pass due diligence and be declared a fit and proper person.

What I tried to say but not very well is that big blocks of votes and lobbyists fund the traditional political elite in America. That has huge consequences throughout the world.
Maybe now these hidden faces might not hold the same sway.
I for one had great hopes when Obama was elected but the hidden powers hamstrung his evry progressive move.
They labelled Bernie Sanders a communist this time around.
Its a mess alright.

{Ed003's Note - They are elected as candidates,you're right it's a mess here and there.}

12 Nov 2016 10:13:21
Tks fpr the reply Ed.

Surely they should have some panel that decides if a persons affairs and reputation willstand up to the criticism that will come throughout a campaign.

The way it is now really undermines the office of presidency.
Anyway enough said.
Nice to see our internationals doing so well.
Ynwa.

{Ed033's Note - US Presidency talk doesn't belong on this site, it should be taken to our conspiracy site.

12 Nov 2016 23:30:59
There are RUMOURS that there is a conspiracy site.
But I think its all BANTER.