Liverpool Banter Archive June 10 2013

 

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10 Jun 2013 23:43:41
There are a few sites reporting that Liverpool are close to signing 16 year old Valencia midfielder Pedro Chirivella. After a quick search the most that I could find on him is that he is the Spain U16 captain and he is one of the most promising players in Valencia's youth system. Do any of the eds know anymore about him and do you think he would be a good signing for the future?

Thanks {Ed030's Note - He is a good young prospect and will certainly go into the Academy not the senior team?

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10 Jun 2013 23:31:32
Is Aspas the best we can do? What chance have we got of a Champions League place if we are loosing our best player (probably the best striker on the planet) and swapping him for a guy who's biggest trait is 'he works hard"? I'm not having a do at Aspas it's not his fault, but where does it leave us? If you take Suarez out of our team then IMO we have a weaker team than Newcastle. We are suppose to be pushing on whilst all the other clubs are changing managers ect, this is our chance to catch up but we won't. For the 1st time ever I'm dreading the transfer window opening. All we needed to do was replace Skirts Downing and Carra but now it seems we will be changing the entire team! Transition excuse next season again?

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We beat Newcastle 6 - 0 without Suarez

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We beat Newcastle 6-0 without suarez. He's a great player but LFC is a great club, Rodgers needs time it isn't ideal possibly losing one of our best players but with the money to rebuild and time Liverpool can and will continue improving.

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Record without Suarez last season:
P10 W8 D1 L1

Draw was Everton at home. Loss was away to Anzhi with mostly youngsters.

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Aspas is a very good player with a winning mentality who will fight for the shirt. Give him a chance and support him ffs.

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And I bet you were one of the people who said the year befroe last how Suarez was not a natural goal scorer!

By the way he is an excellent player but he is not the Best striker in the world!

Gareth

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From those 8 wins without Suarez, how many were against teams that finished above us?

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11 Jun 2013 07:18:54
We beat Newcastle 6 - 0 without Suarez

A worst and awful newcastle show in their history.

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How many teams did we beat above us WITH Suarez? Really lame argument, that.

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From those 8 wins without Suarez, how many were against teams that finished above us?

What a stupid post. Out of all the games we played (which is a lot more than we played without him) with suarez in the team, how many teams above us did we beat? That's right a big fat 1.
JJ

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11 Jun 2013 08:37:18
Cant argue with the facts, but of those 8 wins, one was against Gome awayl, one against Hearts, one against Young Boys and one against West Brom when both sides had week sides out in the Capital One Cup.

An Dun Red

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11 Jun 2013 09:54:28
Stop trying to look for crumbs of comfort of how we played without suarez so as to kid yourselves that we don't need him!

You know Rodgers knows and the club know, if he goes its to the major detriment of the team and will set us back a season, because of his ability and also the added pressure on his replacement, if we get one that is, or will it make it easier to excuse bad results if they happen and give you a defence of the manager because suarez left.

Just accept it will be a major set back if he goes, it will save you all the heartache later on in the season.

Waro

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How many games against teams above did we win wi suarez, 1 wasn, t it, so the 8 without doesn't stand up, tony c

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11 Jun 2013 13:24:44
I disagree Waro, I really doubt Suarez leaving will set us back a year!
Just because he is missing the first 6 games as well and we will have to get results in those as well or what?
Heartache? Why? Is this a drama movie?
I try to enjoy the team play win, draw or loose!
I even remember your posts about Suarez after he bit ivanovic and how we must get rid and move on!
Man up, and stop with the incoherent inconsistenct, contradicting posts! You're are just a wind up merchant and you know it, Grow up and stop being a bully to anyone who disagree's with you!

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Yet again more lies about what I have posted, AP copy and paste the post where I have said we should get rid of Suarez and move on!

Stop spreading lies about what I have said, if you don't have a counter argument for what I have said then don't reply to my posts. Just like I have said further up the page to the real AG, show the posts I am meant to have posted to back up your lies or post me an apology, I am not holding my breath on a sorry from either of you to be honest.

Waro

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10 Jun 2013 23:11:44
Strong Defensive midfielder
An centrebacks who thrive on aerial battles


These r the priorities because the striking part will be easier to find

I'm worried not 1 defensiv M has been linked!

I'm not sure brendan has learnt from certain away games

Rob

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I'd rather buy a player we can use wisely in 55 games rather than one who'll come in handy against 5 teams of cloggers.

Kidder

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10 Jun 2013 23:08:19
Hi Eds
Some signs that the Aspas deal is pretty much sorted. Which position do you see him slotting into?

BaldyRed {Ed030's Note - I expect Aspas to sign as I have said numerous times and if Barcelana do not take up the option to buy Alberto the Liverpool may well make a bid. }

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10 Jun 2013 21:45:14
Eds,
Do you think there is a chance that Suarez has been misquoted? Every time he goes away on Uruguay duty there is a story printed here about how much he hates England etc.

Maybe wishful thinking but just wondering. {Ed030's Note - There where videos at the conference at the time,You just need to except that he wants to leave mate and just stop clutching at straws. }

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+1 Ed030, technically he's still a Liverpool player, but he's already gone! {Ed030's Note - I said he wants to leave not that he is gone. }

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10 Jun 2013 21:36:41
does anyone know if the club are going to be determined to keep Suarez and just say no to his demands and potential bids, or is it now just a case of rolling over, having their belly tickled and accepting the fee of the club he fancies?

JFG

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Yes. I know. He will be sold.

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10 Jun 2013 22:56:37
Anyone else find it a bit ridiculous that there are full internationals being played at the moment? Friendlies in mid-June! Whatever happened to players having time to recover? It's not long until pre-season starts!

Raoul

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I saw yesterday that Oscar has played 71 games and that's b4 he plays in confed's cup, not that i'm bothered like but.

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10 Jun 2013 22:54:56
Hi Ed30,

Guess you got the graveyard shift. Hope you're well, I've just re-done my goalkeeper post, could you make sure its posted please, Muchas Gracias. {Ed030's Note - Yes I am well thanks you?,Sure mate. }

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Not bad thanks, be better once footy season starts again now I've no hockey to watch.

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10 Jun 2013 22:53:20
Is Pepe Reina in Decline?
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Any regular readers will probably have seen my criticisms of Pepe over the last 2 years or so. It's only recent that I realised I've never backed up my opinion and claims with any evidence. Which is unlike me. So I've spent a bit of time doing statistical analysis on him and some other keepers for comparison. We'll start with Reina.

Season---Games--Conceded (GAA)-Shots-Saved-%
2007-----38------28 (0. 74)--------138---112----80
2008-----38------27 (0. 71)--------122---95-----77. 9
2009-----38------35 (0. 92)--------139---104----74. 8
2010-----38------44 (1. 16)--------149---106----70. 7
2011-----34------35 (1. 03)--------119---85-----70. 8
2012-----31------34 (1. 10)--------104---71-----67. 6

So as you can see, my original opinion was right. Reina has steadily (but slowly) been in decline. This season he posted a worse Goals Against Average (GAA) and a worse Save percentage in less games facing less shots than every other season. It's worth noting that this season mistakes of his also led directly to goals which cost us points twice. 3 points against city and 1 against spurs. He did make mistakes in other games which led to goals but the results would not have differed in those games as they were more than 1 goal deficits. Now the other Keepers.

Player----Games--Conceded (GAA)--shots-Saved-%
De Gea---28------26 (0. 93)---------114---91----77. 8
Szczesny-25------24 (0. 96)---------99----75----75. 8
Cech-----36------36 (1. 00)---------154---120---76. 9
Hart------38------34 (0. 89)---------112---80----70. 2

These are the top 4 goalies in the league, also incidentally all 4 will be in the champs league next year. They all had less than a goal a game average and saved almost a quarter of all shots. Most of them also faced more shots on goal than Reina as well (proof that our defense wasnt that bad last year). would we benefit from a change in keeper? Depends on who we change him for, let's look at the competitors.

Player----Games--Conceded (GAA)--Shots--Saved--%
Begovic---38------45 (1. 18)--------154----112---71. 3
Mignolet--38------54 (1. 42)--------200-----150---75

Given the stats I'm inclined to agree that Mignolet would be better than Reina. Yes he conceded far more but he did face nearly 100 shots on goal more than Reina. Our defence would restrict that down to just over a hundred based on this seasons performance, and if he saves 75% of the shots faced. that will mean only 25-30 goals conceded in a year.

Hope it's been informative. Comments appreciated as always.

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So by that analysis, you'd rather have De Gea or Szczesny than Pepe as well?
Yeah right.
The Juicer

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I agree that he has been in a decline however I would think hard before replacing him. It took us about 10 years to find a solid goalkeeper before he came in. He still has the class and has definitely had a better end to the season.
derryred

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There's no denying that they have both performed better this year. It's right there in black and white.

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There's no denying that they have both performed better this year. It's right there in black and white.

Nevada

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Also both Szczesny and De Gea stats from this year would've beaten reine in 4 out of the previous 6 years.

Nevada

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Nevada, so that's a 'yes' then eh?
You'd rather have Dea Gea or Szczesny in goal than Pepe?
The Juicer

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I don't think you can use those stats without looking that the back 4 and DM also. Early year stats included Masch at DM. IMO he was a very underrated player. Hyypia was also on front of Pepe with both Carra and Agger getting game time. We all know that both our current full backs aren't the greatest defensive players ever to play. Pepe is streaky in his performances. Rafa built teams on defense and there has been a lot of management change since that time. That been said, I'm encouraged the way he played in the last dozen or so games. His distribution in top drawer and on form he's as good as the best in the league. Run the same stats on Hart for the last 3 seasons and you'd think he's in decline too.

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Good detailed post mate. Stats never show the whole picture (for example how many shots have other teams faced from ridiculous angles from suarez making easy saves) nevertheless purely on Reina it does appear he's gradually declining

RobInRed

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Just had a look at Hart for the last 5 years Chi Paul and he's not in decline or in ascent. He literally goes up one year and down then next.

And to answer the Juicer, I would rather have De Gea, I think he is a good keeper and young enough to learn. I liked him at Atletico as well. Sczesny I would take if he played as well as last year every year, but last year was his best but then. he is also still young and could be steadily improving.

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I bet Manchester United or Arsenal would bite your hand off if you offered a straight swap for Pepe.
I hope he stays where he is.
The Juicer

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De Gea everyday. He is next in line for Spain's No 1 spot after Iker Casilas.

Ste.

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Pepe has 3 or 4 blunders and 1 or 2 (think Aguero's goal and Walcotts) freakish, brilliant, highly lucky goals go against him too. If he's on form he's up with the best and with another year of playing good footy from the back we'll improve in the goals against I'd say Nevada. 30 for me is the prime for a goalie, and pepe is just there. there's a few years left.

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Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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Nevada

Could you please give a stats analyses of Suarez shots to goal ratio against let's say grant holts to see who is the better player or even Carlton cole.

Thanks

IMO you can not look at player on stats alone. Just ask David camoli.

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Arsenal would, I don't think for a second united would want reina.

Statistics are lies? I'm familiar with the quote but it was spoken a long time ago. When they quite often were, these days statistics are merely recorded data. If you really believe statistics aren't important then you won't care about missing Suarez goals as that too is just a statistic.

People are quick to dismiss statistics when it doesn't support their argument and happy to adopt them when they do. I change my opinion based on the evidence.

Nevada

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What year was sami's last?

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10 Jun 2013 22:46:16
Speaking of younger players earlier what's everyones thoughts on Conor Coady? Is he likely to stay at Liverpool or move on and has he got the ability to step up as a squad player? Any opinions ed or anyone else? {Ed030's Note - I don't think he has made the step up between the youth team and senior team. }

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10 Jun 2013 22:19:56
Any interest in Luis Muriel? If so who? He looks a player. {Ed030's Note - Unlikely and there would be WP issues mate. }

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10 Jun 2013 22:18:55
Bayern munich are offering for suarez robben and cash I've heard quite a lot of rumours about it from buyern minichs manager

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You mean you personally know pep guardiola then?

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10 Jun 2013 22:45:06
Eds, do borini and Allen have futures at the club?

Daniellambretta {Ed030's Note - Yes Allen is one of Rodgers favorite players and I do not expect Borini to leave. }

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That being the case we are lucky to be a top 8 team with these two, if we loose Suarez & don't replace with equal or better quality.

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11 Jun 2013 00:39:31
Oh my God, it's amazing how little people understand about football! Shocking!
Allen and Borini has been injured and can't be judged at all! Yes Allen played some bad games and I wanted him subbed off but that was before we found out he was playing with a shoulder injury for 5 months!
Borini there is nothing bad to say, nor praise! Jury's still out on him! Even messi sucks when he is injured (because he is not playing?)
Go watch cricket! Maybe your brain will understand that sport even though I doubt it!
You probably slated coutinho and sturridge before you was made to eat your garbage words!
I have full faith in Allen and Borini will make you eat them again fella!
Now drink your milk and go to sleep lad!

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10 Jun 2013 22:37:43
Hey Ed, do you expect Madrid to step up their interest in Suarez once Higuain moves on? Cheers. {Ed030's Note - Possibly. }

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Quite right with Borini and Allen the bottom half of the top 10 in the EPL looms

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10 Jun 2013 22:26:21
Erik lamela would be nice! Any chance eds? {Ed030's Note - Highly doubt it. }

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11 Jun 2013 07:27:07
Signed a contract extension with roma recently and has said he won't move out from roma.
He is an excellent player. {Ed002's Note - Manchester United were interested before he left River Plate. Manchester City have been looking at him this season and are looking for talks after putting two offers on the table. Roma has no interest in talking to them at this time and are also resisting interest from PSG and Southampton but Monaco think they may be able to attract Roma's attention with a very significant bid and Roma has started to look at a player who would coming in as a replacement. An English club that were interested but stepped away because of the complex ownership and work permit issues, is again looking at the situation. None of this involves or has ever involved Liverpool.}

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Hi ed. Why do you sometimes say English club instead of just saying which club?
Thanks. {Ed002's Note - There can be various reasons.}

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10 Jun 2013 22:26:07
Evening Eds & Reds,

Just a thought but with Bayern probably playing a 4-3-3 next season and having (excuse spellings if I get any wrong):
Mandzukic
Gomez (will probably leave)
Ribery
Robben (might leave)
Kroos
Muller
Shaqiri
Gotze (on the way)
And being in the market for at least 1 more if they don't get Lewandowski

Do you think they'll still be one of the clubs interested in Suarez if they don't get Lewandowski? Personally if the price is £45 mill+ then I'd let him go but that's just my opinion. I'm guessing they'll try and off load either Robben or Shaqiri in the summer and my preference would be to get Shaqiri as part of the deal if possible, he's younger and doesn't seem to have the attitude and injuries that Robben had at that age.

I'm into fantasy FIFA stuff now but I'd love to see Muller come the other way if possible, he's one of the few players I've seen who could compete with the likes of Fowler and RvP for instinctive finishing, he's quick, can play up top, off another striker, wide and will work hard without the ball. In fact I'd probably do a straight swap: Muller for Suarez if it could happen.

Let me know

J {Ed030's Note - I think there first choice would be Lewandowski. }

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Suarez in a straight swap for Muller?
Madness!

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Muller for Suarez! Are you mad!

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10 Jun 2013 22:04:55
hi eds just wondering if suarez done a U-turn and wanted to stay would the club keep him or do you think they have had enough and want him out thanks rob {Ed030's Note - I doubt it. }

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10 Jun 2013 22:03:22
Will we sign a top striker if Suarez leaves eds? Or is aspas the only striker that will come in? Message back eds! {Ed030's Note - I don't know what you class as a 'top class' striker. }

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10 Jun 2013 21:50:11
Hi ed's. I've just been told that Liverpool have enquired about Craig Dawson from West Brom. Must admit I don't know a lot about him other than he played fairly well in the U21 tournament. This comes from the same source who has provided my info about Tom Ince and Jay Spearing recently and he is usually fairly reliable when it comes to championship players and north east teams (he was on loan at Bolton last season before anyone posts that west Brom ain't from north east or championship!).
Again, just passing on the info, I can't claim to be ITK!
Cheers

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Actually really like him, think he's a good player not sure he's good enough for us yet though.

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10 Jun 2013 21:39:27
Eds. it appears ATM that we r strengthing the squad, ie.aspas, lliori, toure, and the barca reserve, do u think will purchase any marquee signings or just young cheap alternatives, or does it depend on sales of suerez, Carroll sketel etc ynwa. reddave {Ed030's Note - I don't like to rate players terms such as a 'marquee' signings. }

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10 Jun 2013 22:01:25
I pray each day that when I wake up the next morning Carroll would have agreed personal terms with the hammers already! We most certainly don't need a target man and it's not good to have a target man! Not in the way we play anyway!

Malak

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10 Jun 2013 21:35:50
Eds, do you think Brendan May keep Carroll? and what's the situation? I really think he would do a good job for us that's what efc had last year that we didn't (a big man) it's good to have a target man on the team. I think he would get at least 15 goals in the current squad. {Ed030's Note - No i suspect he will leave. }

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10 Jun 2013 21:06:04
I reckon only one more defender will be signed looks likely to be Ilori then I would have Agger and Kelly first choice CBs with Toure and Ilori on the bench premote McLaughlin as cover for Johnson.

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I somehow doubt that. I think 2 more will come in if Skrtel and Coates leaves as expected.

LFC has shown strong interest in Papa and De Vriej and that is a good indication of what is going to happen I think.

The real AG

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Do you think 5 CBs is to many though? considering the players we've been linked with they'll all be looking for a first team place and to be honest it's Agger and someone else to start, I can't imagine 3 CBs on the bench, maybe I'm wrong. I'd love papa and Agger first choice and Kelly and Toure on bench and if we sign Ilori too he'll have to play under 21s for a while.

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10 Jun 2013 18:50:05
Hello eds do you know a) when the Aspas deaal will be finalised b) whether we've actually had a bid rejected for Ilori c) whether we will sign Alberto? Thanks guys {Ed030's Note - You cant put a timing on transfer. }

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10 Jun 2013 20:53:00
Now i'm not saying that Aspas will not be a good addition to the squad, however, when there is talk of him being the replacement for Suarez, then there is a problem. Suarez will leave for around 40m+ yes? So how can we even consider replacing him with a player that cost 7m, scored around 12 goals last season compared with Suarez 23 and who often plays as an advanced midfielder.
Well I personally hope there is someone of a higher quality coming in aswell as Aspas if suarez does go because otherwise I can't see too many goals being scored next season.
Muriel, Soldado or Aubameyang are the calibre needed to replace a man such as Suarez, Aspas should be downings replacement not one for both of them.

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1. ) Price tag doesn't equate to ability. Aquilani is proof of that.

2. ) Aspas' goals and assists were paramount and crucial in a Celta Vigo side lacking in creativity and flare. He'd produce something out of nothing. He was one of the main factors in them avoiding relegation.

3. ) A 'higher quality' will come at a far steeper price, and you're making the assumption Aspas won't be up to the quality required - who knows, he might hit the ground running with better support around him and more opportunities thrown his way? Sturridge is a perfect example of that.

I'm personally hoping that if Suarez goes we push for Mkhitaryan, the guy is an absolute machine. I agree on Aubameyang though, he's awesome and would be a fantastic signing.

JFT 96

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We replaced Torres (50 million) with Suarez (26 million) and improved.

It's not as simple as adding up transfer fees.

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10 Jun 2013 22:22:51
The only people who are saying he is a replacement are a) people from his own, soon to be former club and b) tabloid press. Liverpool management are a little miffed to say the least at these assumptions.

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Torres bought for around the same fee as Suarez was, and might be sold for around the same fee too.
Not £8-9m like Aspas.
I think that is what is worrying some people.
Suarez has had a very bad press on here for the last week or so. But I honestly have never seen him give less than 100% for Liverpool, and could count his poor games on one hand.
The Juicer

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10 Jun 2013 23:17:50
Neither sturridge or aspas can lace suarez boots forget replacing him, are you kidding or your out of your depth, suarez is one of the best players in world football and definitely in top3, why would you replace a player of that calibre, with totally unproven and raw material, when next season is very, very important for rodgers, Liverpool and most importantly financially, just imagine if we fail to qualify for top4 how will fans at anfield react, how will owners react after spending so much and debts (120M) continuing crippling because of lack of champions league, how will we attract new sponsors when our current sponsors are not happy at all and their contracts are finishing in 1-2 years, maybe still you don't understand the situation which Liverpool are in, 1-2 years are going to be the most important in our entire history interms of where will our club head, both financially and quality wise, if we mess this time then forget top4 for few years.

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11 Jun 2013 00:15:02
Sturridge will be much better than Suarez, he is much faster than Suarez and doesn't need 20 shots to get a goal!
Suarez is not even in the top 10 players in the world let alone 3!
Take off the red tinted glasses!

Messi is better
Falcao is better
Ronaldo is better
Lewendowski is better
Ozil is better
Iniesta is better
Ibrahimovic is better
Van Persie is better
I even think Hazard and Mata are better!
Suarez is brilliant but you overrate him like he is the best striker ever! He is not even the best in our history, Daglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Mcmanaman, Owen
all was better! But I bet 90% of you don't remember and we will be just fine!

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To the poster saying Suarez is not in the top 10.

when the journalists/media concede that he is probably the best player in Britain even though they dislike him, that says a lot.

from the players you mentioned, only two Messi and Ronaldo are better and possibly Iniesta. the major difference is that Suarez has much less help in his team and is singularly targeted by opposition defenders.

as long as we receive a massive sum for him I wouldn't mind seeing him at Real next season. he'll turn La Liga into a joke likely scoring more than a goal a game

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Nice reply, whoever you are. I totally agree with your analysis. There are many better players than suarez out there. Don't get me wrong. I love him to bits, but if he wants to leave, why try so hard to keep him? I'd rather we have the money from the sale and try to find quality players to fill the squad. Don't have to be world class like many of you are asking for, but just genuine footballers willing to fight for the shirt. Opinions?

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11 Jun 2013 11:15:17
Half of players you have mentioned have played in better teams with world class players, not with average/young players, and their team didn't do like Liverpool leaving all responsibilities on suarez with only him as our striker in first half of the season, and he delivered we were only 4 points behind top4, then coutinho and sturridge arrived and we quickly started going backwards, from 4 points to no europe at all forget champions league.

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11 Jun 2013 11:21:10
Spearing is not only ready to fight for shirt but his ready to run through brick walls for club, then in your opinion we should keep him.

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11 Jun 2013 13:39:44
4 points behind top 4?
What? We were never 4 points off the top 4 and after sturridge and coutinho joined we improved a lot and got much more wins!
And then we were 7 points off the top 4 at Best! What team were you watching?
Absolutely clueless and ridiculous! Make up BS numbers to support your rubbish is just comical!
After Sturridge and Coutinho joined we have been in the top 4 form table for all the 2nd half of the season. pull your head out of your arse and stop lying to yourself!

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10 Jun 2013 20:51:43
theres some rumours going around that rodgers is considering offers for joe allen and cardiff are asking about him any truth in that eds? personally I think joe allen should stay I think he will be a good player for us {Ed030's Note - I doubt Rodgers would want to sell. }

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10 Jun 2013 23:21:26
The problem is no one will offer us even half of money we paid for him, so no reason selling him {Ed030's Note - And Rodgers is a big Fan of Allen. }

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I think Allen will prove a lot of the doubters wrong next season.

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No allen has proved himself he is not going to take the club forward too slow to chase back too many back/sideward passing easy to knock off the ball can not head or shoot straight

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10 Jun 2013 20:39:26
Ed heard Liverpool will loose a lot of money to pay off caroll sale. and caroll could earn as much as 14 mill.
What you think? {Ed030's Note - Of course they will mate,We will lose about £20 million. }

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10 Jun 2013 19:02:51
hi eds,
I was just wondering about the skirtel situation because he's was going to leave and aren't zenit very interested in signing him?
bigred117 {Ed030's Note - I think/Hope he will leave. }

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10 Jun 2013 19:01:02
Eds now that brendans back in office do u think this will accelerate our recruitment process? {Ed030's Note - Maybe. }

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10 Jun 2013 20:11:16
Tasty rumor circling in the States that I thought you guys might be interested in. Liverpool's midfield dynamo Steven Gerrard is though to be considering quitting his boyhood club after huge disputes with big figures at Anfield surrounding ambition and Steven's role at the club in the coming years. This news has filtered through to the USA due to the owners ties back home, and now a whole host of clubs are lining up record bids to land the England midfielders. The LA Galaxy are front runners, as they look to replace the role of fellow countryman David Beckham. However, they face stiff competition from Montreal and New York, as well as from FC Seoul and Galatasary.

Truly worrying news if the situation gets any worse, my hope is that he stays though the rumors are growing here in America.

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Total CRAP

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10 Jun 2013 20:55:51
Hilarious, absolutely hilarious! Do you think Gerrard is as fickle as some of our fans!
Or see Gerrard moving to the MLS to show ambition!
Then you start by saying tasty rumour then ending by worring for us!
Must be a bitter! It has to be, no one in their right mind would even make tripe like this up!
But had a good laugh though! Cheers

Malak

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Good or bad this is a rumour site chaps! This is why we are all so addicted to this place and makes it the best site (for us reds)on the web!
It's the 1st one I log onto in the morning and the last one at night. well maybe not the last one. ahem! :0
In this site we trust!

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A troll. Take no notice fellow Reds.

The real AG

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Interesting how everyone rubbishes it. Given that the clubs player is about to be sold, and there appears a policy to bring in youth with a 3 to 4 year plan to be really competetive in place. And given Stevies age, he is not likeley to still be playing for us then and will probably be to old to get the mega bucks deal in the US. Everyone 100% confident these rumours have no grounds?
Oh and by the way, doesn't the big name signing look like been an attacking goal scoring mid? ( Gerrards replacement?).
Everyone still so confident.

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Honestly, I could see this happening in 1-2 years, but not this season. Would love to see Gerrard at Galaxy for a few before he retires (then again I'm from the LA area ;-)

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Gerrard will stay at LFC until he retires.
Money is not an issue.

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10 Jun 2013 20:17:00
Eds have your opinion on reina leaving changed recently? He seems like he's constantly reassuring fans that he is staying even though everyone saying that he's very likely to leave! Confused much

London red {Ed030's Note - I think he will stay with Courtois staying at Athletico Madrid and Valdes staying at Barca. }

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Ahh cheers ed! That's good news personally reina is an awsome keeper and it wouldn't be the same without him : (

London red

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10 Jun 2013 20:16:16
Hi eds,
Over the past few windows there were rumours of "marquee" signings being thrown around, although I'm not a fan of the term myself is it possible we may be looking at someone who fits this category if there's enough in the kitty from sales? Or do you think BR is just looking to strengthen the squad overall? I'm not asking for names or anything, just would like your thoughts on if this could be a possibility?

Cheers, keep up the good work {Ed030's Note - If Suarez leaves there may well be a big money signing depends on what you class as 'big money'. }

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10 Jun 2013 21:38:50
spending 35 mill on kone. as Liverpool always does, over paying. on average players.

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10 Jun 2013 20:00:17
Big news everyone. My sources at the club have informed me that an offer is on the table for Xabi Alonso would you believe it. They weren't initially keen on letting the star go, but he has made his intentions clear that he wants to return to his beloved Liverpool, and so Madrid are looking to trade the want-away midfielder for Suarez to kill two birds with one stone and make the big signing they want to. Wasn't able to find out whether either side wanted money on top of that, but certainly a big story to keep tabs on.

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Did it take you long to put this into words?

Enjoying your School hols I see.

The real AG

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10 Jun 2013 22:04:18
Haha, loved the response The real Ag!

Malak

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10 Jun 2013 19:31:48
Question 4 everyone including eds.

Would u have eriksen or that shaktar player {Ed030's Note - Mhitaryan. }

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Haven't seen much of either play although judging on reports Eriksen doesn't want to come to us while rumour is that mhitaryan changed agents to push true a move to us may well be bull but.

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10 Jun 2013 20:59:50
Even the ed mispells his name! Haha

But in all seriousness if we could get Mkhitaryan for £ 18 million get him in Asap!

Malak {Ed030's Note - Ino mate its so hard to spell Lol,Yeah i agree i think he would be worth the £18m. }

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Which is why I put forward the nickname "Mickey"!

The real AG {Ed030's Note - Yeah mate will make it a lot easier for everyone Lol. }

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Ed, I've decided that if he comes in I'm going to call him Mickey Ryan.

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Orite there Micky lad. It fits. Micky it is then. Well done sir you've solved 40,000 LFC fans problem in one post

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10 Jun 2013 19:55:26
Sign Tello Please. I have seen this man play. Wow! What a potential. Gifted, technical and can score goal, assists and very team helped. Would settle in very good in Mr Rogers play. Sorry if english poor. Barca a fan enjoying Liverpool family.

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Welcome to the Liverpool family Barca fan. But, I think, we already have an excellent young winger who is better than Tello. His name is Raheem Sterling.

The real AG

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10 Jun 2013 21:08:49
Tello is overrated in my opinion!
Specially when a Barca fan is trying to "get rid" through us! Bring in Florenzi of Roma or Morata plus £ 35 million for Suarez! (And no I don't want to sell Suarez and will be devastated to see him leave due to his immense skills, but he wants to go)

Malak

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11 Jun 2013 07:46:09
Tello Overrated?
borini? allen? henderson?. rated?
common man, give tello two seaosns to prove as we always give most of our signings.

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Harry I don't get your post, you are asking for 2 seasons to rate, yet you put Allen and Borini on who have 1 only

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Why? How is Tello an improvement on Sterling? Or are you proposing replacing a CM like Henderson with Tello? I wouldn't be surprised if you were as you remain utterly clueless.

The real AG

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10 Jun 2013 19:47:20
Every time Reina and his agent talk about Reina moving to Barcelona they stress his commitment to the Liverpool but use terms such as "at this time" or "as it stands". If Reina's commitment to Liverpool is subject to Barcelona's interest I would prefer him to leave now. His form hasn't been great in the recent past, he's getting older, his value is likely to decrease and he is clearly not wholly committed. We could use the fee paid to buy a younger, hungrier and more committed keeper and probably have some cash left over. Admittedly we would be sacrificing some experience but given that we have a young squad that is in the process of evolving now might be the right time to introduce a new keeper so the whole team to grow together.

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10 Jun 2013 19:31:38
Hi eds

Can west ham afford 100k a week for Carroll? I read we myay subsidise this through some form of pay off. Also are Newcastle due part of any transfer fee {Ed030's Note - They probably could but whether they will is another matter. }

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10 Jun 2013 19:19:59
Hello Eds. What would you say the chances are of Chelsea doing a double swoop for Cavani and Suarez.
They have been talking all the time about playing together.
I would personally be devastated if it happened but I would not put it past the bag mourinho {Ed030's Note - I don't see Chelsea bidding for Suarez }

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With Suarez saying he has problems with the press why would he move to London?

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Maybe John Terry and Frank Lambard will be able to give him some tips on how to avoid the front page?

The real AG

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10 Jun 2013 18:46:22
Hi eds do you have a backlog of posts?

I only ask because I have sent in two sizeable posts today about an hour ago. One in response to one of Waros posts and another doing statistical analysis of Reina and other keepers. They took quite a while to write so if there was an issue with them could you let me know then I can correct it.

Thanks {Ed030's Note - No mate just the sites are really busy atm. }

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Will my posts from earlier get posted ed? Sorry to bother you again, I spent quite a long time on the keeper one that's all. {Ed030's Note - I am not sure mate if i come across the i will post them mate sorry. }

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Thanks for the reply ed, I'll re do my post. {Ed030's Note - Ok mate. }

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10 Jun 2013 18:45:12
hi all

Just a thought with city, chelski, Arsenal and mancs spending millions and on the best players< we buy a 32 year old and bit part players deo's anybody seriously expect us to compete for CL football any time soon!, we're miles behind and everyone's pulling away.

I'm not criticising these signing or Br but if Fsg are serious about LFC competing at the top level they need to put up or sell.

My worry is, we can still attract top players now, but another 3/4 years of no euro football and we will struggle to bring anybody of top quality in.

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10 Jun 2013 21:16:16
Why so optimistic?
And don't praise the new signings so much already before they even put on a shirt and play 1 game, specially when you haven't seen them play I assume!

Malak

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10 Jun 2013 18:38:17
Massive loss if/when does one (Suarez). But are some folks overlooking that we'll have the best most talented playmaker in the Prem. Keep Coutino fit, add seriously and wisely with the Suarez and Carroll cash and we will finish top 4 no problem. And I really believe this kid is a genius. Believe in what's happening folks cause I am.
JohnBoy

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10 Jun 2013 17:17:17
I think with Kolo Toure, Agger, Skrtle or Papa, Coates and Illori our defence will be sorted, no need for more seriously.

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I believe Ilori will replace Coates,

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Change Coates for Kelly and you maybe right.

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Martin Kelly should be Carra's replacement.

Phooey.

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10 Jun 2013 17:13:35
I absolutely hate it when players contradict themselves, this is basically what suarez is saying: I love Liverpool but adios I'm gone cause of the press, suarez must think were stupid or something or something, If you want to go state the real reason and if he loved us that much he'd give us another season. I would hate for him to go on footballing terms, but his persona is really annoying, his problems are his own causing.

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What do you want him to say :
"Its not you ; its me "

If he is gone so be it. get over it.

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The real AG {Ed030's Note Have done mate thanks for pointing that out.}

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Well eds the first reply has very rude words in hindi {Ed030's Note - I no i have deleted it now mate. }

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The real AG {Ed030's Note - Yeah removed the right one now. }

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10 Jun 2013 21:39:10
Get a grip everyone who is slating Suarez for wanting to leave.

What does it matter what his reasons are?

We haven't got Champions League football and are still a bit off even competing for it, and he wants to play in it.

All Suarez said was "It would be hard to refuse a move to Real Madrid", when the MEDIA asked him about a move to Madrid; He addressed the media in an honest manner, what is the big effing deal?

He didn't say "I'm definitely leaving Liverpool".

Even so; all you fickle bunch of whiners would still be complaining if he didn't say he wanted to leave, and just done it;

Then it could be, 'He at least could have said he wanted to leave, why would he say he loves Liverpool and then do this to us. what a person'.

After everything we stood by Suarez for and now we turn on him because he may be off?

When there is media speculation about ANY player leaving their respective clubs and they (Player) are questioned by the media, it is up to the player to answer the media's questions however they feel, and if you've always been a Liverpool fan, you're going to say it would be hard to reject a move!

SR (StrabaneRed)

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We know all that SR but he did say that no one supported him when things were bad which is outrageous

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Were you this supportive of Mascherano, Owen and McManaman when they lest SR?

The real AG

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Other teams sell their best players and some times they sell them to lfc sadly we are not the club we supporters think we are we have to get back to the top and even then most foreign players would prefer to live in london we have to live with it and keep the lfc faith. red mick tag.

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10 Jun 2013 16:42:38
who would u choose:
Begivic or Mignolet to sign {Ed030's Note - Mignolet. }

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Mignolet every day of the week.

RedKopite

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Weird, I would take Begovic in a second.

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For me, it would be Begovich. Although I do think Mignolet is quite decent as well though. Think Reina will still be here next season (at least as of now) so perhaps a moot point.

RDL

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Begovic all day

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Reina over both as his agent has once again come out and said zero chance of Barcelona or Napoli and his client is staying at Anfield.
That'll do for me.
In Buck we trust.

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Begovic

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Begovic commands his goal and area more towards the second half of the season mignolet flapped at a lot of things

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I know; I think Begovic too?

Peter

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Begovic.

He's actually the only keeper we have a reasonable chance of getting that I'd think suitable to replace Reina.

Mignolet's not terrible either, though. But I'd prefer to get Begovic or keep Reina than get him.

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Begovic. Mignolet is no improvement on Reina.

But, Reina is staying, so it does not matter.

The real AG

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If Reina stays would either sign to possibly sit on the bench?

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Put Reina on the bench. He clearly wants to go and is trying to invite Rafa or Barca to bid. He is the worst double bluff agent ever.
Reina is staying he loves Liverpool and the fans. at this moment, as it stands but you never say never etc loves Barca as well you know. Had great holiday in Napoli as a kid, good times never forget those days. But happy to stay YNWA. Can understand why Luis wants to go though. and Torres. wouldn't mind that myself if Barca need me. Etc etc.

Sell him or bench him and bring in Minggers from Sunderland

Carlo

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10 Jun 2013 16:08:14
I must say I'm pretty impressed with west ham, Carroll is taking them for a ride, still they have said again today he is there no1 priority. Imo it doesn't make sence. 15m and Carroll is demanding 100k a week they could sign a couple very good players for that kinda money.

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Carroll is a good player just not for us.

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10 Jun 2013 15:27:21
Eds was there any reason we were one of the English clubs who didn't send scouts to the under 21 championship in Israel, or did we just think there was no talents worth scouting! I've seen a list of who was scouting and it just seems odd that we weren't there considering FSG's moneyball policy {Ed002's Note - What "moneyball" policy? Is Liverpool a baseball team?}

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The one Waro posts about! ;-)

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I think people that believe we have a moneyball policy should go and read the sabremetrics books, they may have a better understanding then of how this system applies only to certain sports, not football.

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Can't believe some people still think we sign players using "moneyball"

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Was there any reason we were one of the English clubs who didn't send scouts to the under 21 championship in Israel,
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Its too hot over there this time of year.

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Is this true? LFC didn't send any scouts to a U21 tournement?

If its true we really are so very far behind where our fans think we are/should be.

Wow what a massive mistake, who the hell is in charge get them out

Carlo

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Partly true.

didn't send scouts to watch the England U21s

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10 Jun 2013 15:08:31
Hi there Ed,
Just been reading in newspapers and websites about Toby Alderweireld from PSV being a Liverpool transfer target. What are the chances of LFC signing him and do you think he can be in a LFC shirt this season, replacing Jamie Carragher? Also, would you rather him or Papadapoulos at the club?
Thanks for all your time and effort for ansewring our questions :) {Ed002's Note - TRy the search function.}

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PSV?

Ajax mate

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10 Jun 2013 15:07:52
Hey eds
I know that you don't like talking about money but I'm hearing Suarez will go for as little as 40 million euros surely in the current transfer market he is worth more than that.
Davylivercabs {Ed002's Note - Done to seath already.}

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10 Jun 2013 15:05:10
Hello Eds,
any news on Carroll front?
is he ready to accept the West Ham offer.
Also any offers for Skrtel?

Really feel we need to get atleast these 2 out to get enough money to buy our prime targets i. e Papadopoulos and Mkhitryan. {Ed002's Note - Search function please.}

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10 Jun 2013 14:59:54
So Toure is all but signed up. I understand that Tiago Ilori is of huge interest and its gathering pace. Now forgive me if i'm wrong but Toure is 32 and Ilori is 20/21. Will we sign someone to bridge that age gap or will Ilori (if we sign him for example) be seen as the long term successor to Carra?

Thanks

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We have agger! Gap bridged

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I think Coates should be given a run

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10 Jun 2013 14:52:01
Hi edz just wondering with alderweild saying he only wants to play in Germany or England does that mean the deal to Roma is off thanks for your hard work {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

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10 Jun 2013 14:51:14
Reading that Sporting want double of what Liverpool are offering which would be around 6 million. Its a pity because I don't see the club paying that much for an understudy.

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Its good news means we'll move onto a much better CB. Which is any other CB
Carlo

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10 Jun 2013 14:20:45
Hey eds
Heard from a friend Rodgers is obsessed with Christian tello of Barcelona my question is if this is true do you see us signing him or trying to even with the reported interest in Luis Alberto of Sevilla, do you think it would be one or the other rather than both.
Davy liver cabs {Ed002's Note - Search engine please.}

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I don't think he will find the answer in his cab ed! ; )

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10 Jun 2013 14:13:28
Hey eds
Heard through the grapevine that Rodgers want all his players in by the 2nd of June surely this can't be true and in order for this to be true surely Liverpool would have to pay over the odds for players something that they cannot afford to do.
Davylivercabs {Ed002's Note - By the Sunday before last eh?}

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Hey eds
This Davylivercabs heard it from a friend and heard it through the grapevine. Is his friend Marvin Gaye?

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How long has this been going on?

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It takes every kind of people

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It was otis redding, marvin heard it from while sitting at the dock of the bay.

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10 Jun 2013 14:11:48
any chance of Eduardo Salvio? heard he is looking for a move from Benfica and linked with Everton?good player in my opinion

Alves

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Very, very, very much doubt he will leave Benfica. I'm pretty sure he joined Benfice for about 9m last summer and since then he's had an outstanding season for Benfica and I reckon he would be maybe 15/16m- certainly not moving to Everton.

RedKopite

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10 Jun 2013 14:10:14
To those kopites who regularly watch our kids play, do you think there are any strikers who will step up to first team real soon? I was really excited about Adam Morgan and thought he would break into first team the previous season as he had a good pre season and had a knack of scoring those simple goals that we are unable to score. I still think he will be a decent squad player and he is a local lad as well. Resembled Fowler in many ways that lad. And what happened to that yesil lad, is he still injured?

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Not too sure if Adam will make it. Rodgers said when we bought Yesil that he wouldn't be ready for the first team for another season, so he might get his debut next season, but he won't be playing regularly, he is also rated by Germans as perhaps their best youth striker.

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Yesil and Sinclair.

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I go watching em sometimes lad. I really thought Morgan had something but his confidence seems to be a bit low at the minute. Needs to get that fire back because he knows where the net is like. Stepping up is a big ask though for any of them.

Others are Yesil definitely and another is Jack Dunn he looks really impressive. Looking good though in all departments in the youth. There will be loads more Sterlings and Ibe's and Wisdoms but don't forget Kelly he has a massive future with us like. Fingers crossed his injury troubles are over for a bit he deserves a bit of luck.

Alfie

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I thought Morgan would step up but it doesn't look good for him, Yesil on the other hand looks like an absolute corker.

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Yesil was really starting to get into his stride for us this year, as was Marc Pelosi, before they both got long-term injuries- let's hope they both fully recover.

RedKopite

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10 Jun 2013 13:38:54
Im sure LFC will rise from the ashes once again to be the top and successful club it once was, it may take a little while longer than I personally would have liked.
I reckon 2/3 more years with the correct squad additions, i'm sure BR knows who needs getting rid of, he can't say Glen Johnson or Shelvey your not good enough as he will get no output from either and the others that need to go.
So its caution and careful planning that will lead us into the promised land again, i'm sure of it.
I for one will keep the faith whoever comes into the team via transfers, and those that go will be quickly forgotten by me as they were simply not good enough or their ego`s were too big, who really cares?
BR will get it right in time and i'm sure the Borinis and Allens will eventually come good this season if all goes to plan, keep the faith and be pleasantly suprised.
Scouse Red.

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Yes Scouse Red I'm with you lad. Wrote a similar post yesterday. Think it's an exciting time. Good read and very positive.

Alfie

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10 Jun 2013 13:16:17
Hi eds, With the Reds in the past, over paying often for targets, (no need for me to name names) is it fair to say in the past we have been seen in the football world as an easy touch when it came to negotiating? if so is that changing and if it is what has changed or rather who is the one that is the main negotiator for the club? is it Ayre? judging by our business conducted in the last window it appears we paid fair prices for Coutinho and Sturridge compared to windows gone by, it just looks to me that we are starting to get ourselves heading in the right direction in the market, would be nice to know if that's how it looks and what's changed?

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10 Jun 2013 12:59:44
Eds with your knowledge, what is your opinion please

How many transfer windows do you Rodgers is from completing his vision?

I can see if rumours become true our forward area will be complete BR. Fluid, interchangable, quick clever players and young. Looks like it could be very exciting.
3 from Sturridge, Aspas, Borini, Coutinho, Luis Alberto. All BR siginings.
Add youth coming through which is now also playing style of first team. Sterling, Ibe, Sinclair, Yesil
(of course Suarez and Dowing available at the mo)

I could be wrong but BR hasn't brought in any Defence. Looks like this area is also being addressed now. Include GK's in this.
I can see Agger fits, also both GJ and JE are attacking full backs, but a little lacking defencivly at times. Reina should be perfect BR, but is either not happy or just doesn't seem to fit? Surprised due to the Barca/spanish connection, quick accurate dispatch - but struggled to play on the ground? How?
Kolo brought in as replacement of experience Carra left when he retired. Kolo aside, none are Rodgers signings. This window could see 2/3 added (depending of departures of Skrtel and Coates) Do not really see the current full backs as long term, but guess changing a whole defence is to massive in one window both cost and upheavel.

Midfield. Only Allen added by BR. Again a few, Hendo, Stevie and Lucas good enough to stay and Suso also BR style. But this like defence is an area which doesn't have the depth of players from BR purchasing or fitting his style of play. This window could see one creative player & maybe one winger but not both due to forwards Aspas and Alberto covering these. Plus Ibe, Sterling and Teixeria are coming through in these areas.

So if this summary is fairly on point, how many windows will BR need to complete? I think FSG will be happy with progress etc so assume BR has a few years. Hope so as I like both the person, ethos and play so far.
Would you say it'll take this, Jan 14 and next summer then it should be a complete BR team/squad. or longer? Eds fans, what do you think. are we already there?

Hope this creates good banter
Carlo {Ed002's Note - It doesn't really work like that. Players are transient - they come and go.}

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I think in Jan we'll target a full back and CM. This will allow Johnson to be sold in the summer (nxt summer) and either Shelvey if he doesn't go this window or if he does then Spearing.
Next summer winger to replace Downing and another full back to replace Jose. GK unless this situation happens this year and a big ££ midfielder to replace Gerrard as it'll be his finall season.

Depnding of who wants out and which youngsters make the step up. I think next summer will complete BR's vision. He would have by the end of summer 2014 window, put in his own GK, RB/LB 2X CBs. Allen, another CM, Coutinho and attacking CM plus another to replace Gerrard. up front over haul Sturridge, Aspas, Alberto.
Add the youngsters coming through under his style, Sterling, Ibe, Suso, Yesil, McLaughlin, Wisdom, Tei

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Jun 2013 12:53:37
hi eds, what's the situation with Toby Alderweireld? Any interest from Liverpool? {Ed002's Note - Search engine please.}

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10 Jun 2013 11:57:49
Hi eds is it true we have agreed terms for Alberto. I looked but couldn't find anything. Also how likely is the signing of Mickey? Thanks {Ed002's Note - Done to death.}

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10 Jun 2013 13:53:59
Hi Eds,

I see that Real Madrid used a buy back option based over 3 seasons with the price rising every year on Daniel Carvajal and was wondering is this common in Spanish football? and do English clubs use this rule?

Regards

Marc {Ed002's Note - IT happens in Spain but is not that commn aside from the "major" sides. It is rare in English footbal.}

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FAILURE is not an option!

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10 Jun 2013 13:32:27
I'd really like Liverpool to keep big Andy Carroll. He is a different option for when we run out of ideas. I say keep him we will only get around 10 mil for him so i'd rather keep him decent squad player.

Nice options in

Suarez (Aspas)
Carroll
Sturridge
Borini

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Personally don't see the moment coming where we are "out of ideas" and look to our big lug messiah. That 10 mil figure you use (beyond a nice kick in the crotch for a player we bought for 35) could definitely be used recouping the squad after our very poor investment in the player. He's a ridiculously expensive "different option" on his wages and I really don't see him improving his stock warming our bench.

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This would be under the assumption that he wants to sit on our bench and be a bit part player? Doesn't make much sense to me- wish him well but the sooner his transfer gets completed to somewhere else the better it will be for both parties, I think.

RDL

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10 Jun 2013 13:26:36
Who is Kone? Who is Aspas? Who is Alberto?

Yes they come from lesser opposition (Wigan, Celta, Barca B (I know he belongs to Sevilla) etc. ), but you are all so quick to write people off!

Our All time top scorer came from Chester! Our best ever player from Celtic. Keggan came from Scunthorpe. This club has never been about poaching other top teams stars. We make stars. I say this time and time again. I actually like Kone as a player, and think he would be a good, cheap back up option to Sturridge, who would provide experience and competition up front. Why should we spend £20m on Muriel? That is essentially telling Sturridge and Borini that they are not in our 1st team plans, and consigning £24m worth of talent to the transfer list in a years time, and Muriel/Bony/Munian etc are barely much better than Borini. Kone will be squad player if the rumours are even true. Aspas is exceptionally talented. I'm not going into it again, so just see my previous posts if you disagree. Alberto is a young player, who is getting albeit the least stick on here due to the Barca link, who will be a very good player for us. At the end of the day, we are building a team to challenge on all fronts. Our insistence on only buying the best has come about due to a new breed of 'Fifa' fans. I don't care if you signed Ramos and Dzeko on manager mode, IT AIN'T HAPPENING!

You have two options:

1. Support the CLUB, back the decisions by its staff, and remain cautiously optimistic for next season.

2. Rage about every player we are linked to, scream that Rodgers is not as good a coach as Shankly and try and force FSG out.

Okay, maybe there are other options, but these seem to be the only two available on here.

On one hand you have Malak, Nevada and Kidmillions who think we will be alright, and will support the team regardless, whilst maintaining a cool head.

Then on the other you have Waro, Harry Scousser and a load of no namers who think we are doomed, and that without Suarez we will be relegated!

I'm not even that old, but I have seen enough to suggest that top players can be replaced.
Dudek - Reina
Hyypia - Agger
Torres - Suarez

But there are the occasional blunders
Alonso - Aquilani
Riise - Dossena
Owen - Nunez

The fact is, you have to let the past stay there, and look forward to the future. We could lose Suarez, sign Mkhitaryan and he might hit 40 goals next year! Then we'll be saying "Suarez Who?". Or we could sign him and he could flop and score 0 goals all season. Who knows? But we need to roll the dice sometimes. If we get a six, booyah. If we get a 1, then hard luck, we'll try again next time.

The clubs going forward, and from where every logical football fan is sat, Suarez is only holding it back. We cannot afford to build a team around a man who misses 1 in 5 through suspension. Coutinho is who we should be building around. Sign some fast forwards with clever movement who can get on the end of those through balls, and the sky is our limit. Mkhitaryan, Aspas, Strurridge, Borini, Sterling etc all fit that criteria. Suarez does not. He lacks pace, and his movement isn't all that great truth be told. He has exceptional individual talent, but I think the term world class is bandied about too much nowadays. Gerrard was world class. Coutinho could be world class. I can't see anybody else in our current regular first team who is anything more than a well made cog in a well oiled machine. Unforunately, that machine has been assembled around a volatile and unreliable part, that despite shining brightly, just doesn't produce the goods far too often. We need our team to stop relying on one man. For years its been Gerrard, and I don't want a Gerrard replacement. I want a pass and move team to be assembled.

I really am sorry I end up posting things this long Eds. I guess I'd rather be typnig on here than eating during my lunch break!

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Spot on mate.

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What bugs me is that if you add their values together you could maybe buy 1 top quality player for 15 million

Buy 1 or 2 TOP draw players per window an you slowly build into champions and let your youth etc be the squad players

This is how united and to an extent man city did it

But i'm willingto give them a chance but if we dnt get 2 top draw proven players then I cnt see us getting above 5th being realistic but window is long let's see if FSG show some ambition and keep oir stars whilst adding similar quality to really push on

Im hoping aspas alberto illor are all seen as sub players but would seem strange to waste half or more of the budget on squad players

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Great post Adam. As always fella. Keep em coming.
I think the key to being a football fan is not to get too ahead of yourself when your team wins 5-0 and not to get too depressed when they get beat 4-0.
The important thing is to back the club to the hilt, the manager, the staff and the players and to be fair Liverpool fans on the whole do just that (look at how we have defended suarez from the indefensible!).
In regard to buying players I think there are plenty of good footballers about. It is impossible to have the best eleven players in the world playing for the same team at the same time so every team has a chance to create something special by buying well, selling well and also promoting youth.
The last point is the most important one for me. I do not see the point in overloading our squad by buying players when we may have the right player already at the club in the reserves or in the youth team.
Last season I think every youngster who got their chance to shine did not let anyone down. Sterling, Suso, Wisdom and Ibe all did well when called upon so why not give them more chances next season rather than buy Tello for 8 hundred gazillion pounds!
Is that not what barca did for Tello in the first place? They played him and now we want to buy him based on barca giving him game time!
I really hope enough space is left in the first team squad to accommodate the suso's and sterling's for next season as well. Like you say Adam, let's build a team rather than just buy a team.

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10 Jun 2013 13:07:46
Get your facts right mate! Aspas didn't manage 25 goals. He had 12 goals and 7 assists last season and he plays as a centre forward not as a midfielder. We will not have Gerrard for ever. Alberto hasn't joined the club yet. Texieira has not even been on the first team squad till this day.

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10 Jun 2013 16:40:08
Haha, read what I wrote slowly! I said Aspas scored 25 goals the season before this playing behind the striker! 2011-2012 season! Get it? Luis Alberto and Mkhitaryan will probably join and Teixeira will be promoted in pre-season, I can't even see a place on the bench for Shelvy!

Malak

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Whoever said that was probably talking about the season where aspas's club were in the B division and he scored 23 goals in the league.

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10 Jun 2013 12:47:51
I have read all the posts from yesterday about Suarez costing Daglish his job. I beg to differ with Ed02 on this subject. If that was the case why has Bumbling BR not been fired due to Suarez's current indiscretion. May be because he is a yes man appointed by the tight fisted owners. May be the owners are too embarrassed to admit their inexperience in the game.
At this stage I believe BR has lost us a large chunk of money in his last summer's spending spree. Allen, Borini, Assiadi have been just waste of money and not good enough. The only player I believe duped Daglish/Comolli was Downing. But if we look at the purchases by them were part of a Game plan. Hendo for nurturing, Caroll for his height advantage upfront and specially in set pieces. Downing for his winger abilities.
Now let's look at the reason why BR bought Allen and Borini because he had worked with them before and would be loyal subjects of his empire building exercise.
Now coming back to Suarez dragging LFC through mud. LFC were well aware of his indiscretions at AJAX and the world cup. I believe all the mud raked up in the gutter press by Giggs and Terry and Rooney were far worse then Suarez. I wish one day likes of Rooney get hounded by foreign press when they play for a non English team and watch how quickly they pack up their bags and return. Suarez has been an amazing work horse for our club and if he leaves we should salute him for the joy he brought us and forgive him for his indiscretions. Ed02 I hope Suarez does not leave and becomes a thorn in your beloved Chelsea's backside. {Ed001's Note - are you for real? The difference is that Rodgers has not made a huge show of publicly backing him. You are such a bitter child. You really need to grow up and get over your hatred of Rodgers and try supporting him while he is in charge. I would personally prefer people like you to get their heads out of the clouds and realise what a complete and utter tool Suarez is! Nothing worse than someone so biased they fail to see any wrong in the object of their infatuation. Suarez is the ONLY person to blame for all he has done and for all the media coverage he has gained.}

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I'm sorry, I love suarez as a PLAYER but he no longer wants to be here. I would rather have someone who wants the play for the shirt such as Aspas than a great player who can't be assed anymore! forget about him, the way I see it is that i'm already picturing are first 11 next season without him in it. And personally I think it has the potential to be very good. cheers

Danny

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Agree with Ed01.

Great player

Awful human.

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Another clueless person. You are so anti BR it's unbelievable. Grow-up man.

The real AG

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Unrequited Love

Happens all the time!

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I don't know that anyone has ever said the sole reason for Kenny's sacking was Suarez's antics and the following t-shirt ridiculousness but surely you would have to concede it was a factor? If you can't see that then I'm not sure what else to say? Suarez let Kenny down in a major way as well as the supporters and the club overall repeatedly several times since then. Why people show him so much loyalty when he has provided very little in return is mind boggling.

RDL

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10 Jun 2013 12:42:10
Just checked out aspas on youtube, nd he looks much better than I expected. So this is my question. Is expected to be a regular starter nd if so how does that affect our other targets?

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10 Jun 2013 12:25:01
I am getting tired of Erikson, he is a great player and I would love it if he came here, problem for me is he is stalling to see what club/money he can get, if he was going to sign for us I would prefer it was because he wanted to play for the badge and the fans, and if that was the case he would have agreed weeks ago, so I urge fans to forget about him, and if he comes fine, he will say all the right things if he comes here i'm sure!

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10 Jun 2013 12:16:11
I have a feeling this is going to be a busy summer, although Liverpool may state the opposite to gain maximum price both Skrtel and Suarez pictures have been taken off the front page of the website. I would suggest both players are gone so it will be a very busy summer of ins and outs, really critical window and it is imperative that we use this money properly and make amends for the sins of woy and Kenneth.

Cheers,

Owen

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Why do fans do this to themelves/others? The players on the website front page are regularly changed, it has nothing to do with their transfers/non-transfers. Suarez being there today wouldn't mean we won't make a deal with someone tomorrow, and him not being there is no sign of anything imminent. They just use as much of the squad as possible for marketing

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Wow conspiracy hunters, they would hunt for a needle in a haystack.

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Conspiracies are often correct!

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10 Jun 2013 12:05:50
Saw a post about Adam Morgan and just wanted to share my opinion. Good pocher instincts but one of the best attitudes i've ever seen from a young lad, he loves the shirt. You just have to look at last years pre season tour to see that, a tap in during a friendly and it meant the world to him. I think he has the ability to get a few games in the first team next year and i'd personally be delighted to see him score a few goals in the premiership next year!

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I really think Morgan isn't good enough mate.

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To be honest mate I just don't think he is good enough. I think he could be a good championship player but he is no way going to be playing in the PL week in week out.

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I unfortunately disagree. Yes he shows real passion, but whenever he's been given a chance to step up the a senior team (even a lower league one on loan) he's been a liability on the rare occasions that he wasnt completely anonymous. There is such a line of attacking players in Sterling, Suso, Texiera, Ibe, Yesil etc coming through the academy that if you don't take your chances you will fall behind, and I fear that he has fallen way way behind.

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Not going to happen at all ever I think we would rather play yesil even with his broken foot or whatevers up with him

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Agree totally with attitude, but unfortunately hasn`t got the ability level to make it at LFC.

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Your probably right its just me wanting the lad to do well, seeing as we're on this topic does anyone know of plans for Conor Coady?

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We as fans adore the shirt, but let's face it hardly any of us would play, morgan has the attitude but sadly not enough talent.

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He is not going to make it. He gives his all for the shirt I hear you say? They are all professional footballers, they are supposed to give all for their shirt, whether it's Morgan, Adorjan or Coates or Allen.

The real AG

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Jay spearing comes to mind here

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10 Jun 2013 10:33:28
I don´t know about you but I am getting sick of the whole business surrounding Suarez. Yes, he is an unbelievable player and yes, I´d be sad to see him go from a football perspective but he has been incredibly selfish. Talking about being villainised by the press (which admittedly he has), that his family is suffering etc. Quite frankly - if he hadn´t bloody bitten someone, having already tarnished his reputation with the Evra incident, he wouldn´t have any reason to complain! I believe Kenny Dalglish´s handling of the Evra situation cost him his job to an extent. In my opinion, Suarez can complain as much as he likes but at the end of the day his behaviour - and by that I mean blaming the press for making his life miserable, giving interviews that make him look the victim, talking about England and how awful everything is etc. is inappropriate. He did this to himself, all of it. The way the Club has backed him until now makes me wonder - is really noone bigger than the club? He has embarassed us and now he wants out. He won´t honour his contract and he doesn´t honour Liverpool and what that stands for. 19 games ban since he started playing for us. 19. I may get slaughtered for this but we used to be as good as we were because we had players that loved Liverpool. That were proud to play for Liverpool - and it showed. Suarez? He´s off. Instead of showing remorse and giving us another (well behaved) season to make up for the disappointment and letting the fans, the club, his fellow players and ultimately himself down, he´d rather leave for Spain / Germany. We may not attract the super stars we used to attract but there are still talents around that would be honoured to earn a place in the squad. Suarez, by all accounts and judging by his behaviour, is not.

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100% agree

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Great post mate, that is exactly my take on the Suarez saga. I agree with every word.

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A very good, biased over simplistic opinion from someone in possession of very few facts.

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Luis Suarez has totally disrespected the LFC fans this summer and the sooner we replace him the better I will feel about the whole situation.

It may take 2 players to replace his goals and creativity but the team has a lot of room for improvement in all areas anyway.

With the right signings we can be an even better team by the time his ban runs out.

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It's easy to replace someone who misses so many games. How can the club develop consistency with a player like Suarez?
Now is the time to sell, his stock is as high as it ever will be. He's making noises about wanting to go. He has a 6 game ban over his head.

Time to cut him loose.

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10 Jun 2013 09:57:46
How bad were Henderson and Shelvey for the England under 21s? 100% improvement needed for next season or get rid of both of them. {Ed001's Note - to be fair, any player being managed and coached by Stuart Pearce has no hope! The man is a joke, typical of the England obsession with passion over any discernible ability to do their job. But it doesn't matter, because he tries his best. The England staff at all levels above U17s are a complete and utter disaster, a bunch of dinosaurs with no idea about how to play football.}

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Shelvey yea but henderson was by far englands best player, BY FAR.

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No argument from me mate!

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Im thinking you are not too fond of stuart pearce then ed001? Lol
Hardy1892 {Ed001's Note - hate the man, he is so thick it annoys me and he made highly offensive comments regarding Hillsborough, which he has never apologised for or retracted. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. He is also a truly dreadful coach, a complete and utter disaster in every job he has done, which is why he was rewarded with getting the position of guiding England's future stars!}

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10 Jun 2013 13:14:06
Aggred, spot on Ed, all this talk of england not having any talent and than having Pearce as a u-21 coach, his selection and set-up for the game against Norway was. words can't say enough. Just look at Spain and Italy's front line and all is sad. The man is incompetent, and so is FA for not seeing it, and I don't want to start on Roy H.
And, by the way, for somebody to put blame on Jordan or Jonjo is just stupid. Especialy on Jordan, he gave everyting, and was a true capitan.

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The England set up from top to bottom is a joke and has been for many a year.
the men at the top through to the lower youth ranks needs a hugh shake up if England are going to be taken seriously in years to come.
The english FA and all of its staff are baffoons i'm sorry to say.
Scouse Red

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10 Jun 2013 13:30:59
henderson was awful last seaosn coached by KK.
cant believe we have people who criticize coaches when players play awful football

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Here here ed! i've been saying the same thing for years. England are decades behind in terms of coaching and training players, then they go and employ Hodgson as manager! A man that has managed for 30 years, won nothing & thinks that 4-4-2 with out & out wingers still works. Football has changed, we have won nothing since 66 yet still play the same style of football we did then! It's a joke, may aswell have got Harry Redknapp, another dinosaur & con man who has managed for over 30 years & won 1 FA cup!

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Shelvey was the only attacking threat in the first game it was an unbelievable decision to take him off when Lowe I think barely got a mention & still started the next game

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Ed001, just out of interest, who do you think would be the best choice as manager for England Under 21s if Pearce got the sack?

Thanks
Sam L {Ed001's Note - Dario Gradi should be given control over the whole England youth set up.}

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Hang on a minute. Henderson has been our only decent player (maybe Chalobah) this tournament!

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10 Jun 2013 09:34:44
In my opinion if we send Jonjo on loan to a lower level (no disrespect) premier league club it will benefit him immensely. I think he has bags of potential and would vastly improve if he gets regular game time. I believe he is not mature enough to play regularly for our side but at this stage of his career he needs to play regularly in order to develop. Any interest from crystal palace eds. He has worked with Holloway before at Blackpool where he was really impressive, I think he could do a decent job for them.

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Sorry mate but the closest likeness to Shelvey in style of play and physique is Charlie Adam.
I see no sign of Shelvey ever being above that sort of level.

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10 Jun 2013 10:54:36
Lets say we loan him out! When he comes back will he be able to break in the first team then?
Ahead of who?
Henderson, Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Suso, Teixeira, Coutinho or Luis Alberto?
Shelvy is an attacking midfielder so he has 0 chance of playing in that role for us ahead of Coutinho, Suso, Luis Alberto, Texeira and even Aspas who played the season before this as an attacking midfielder and managed 25 goals!

If Shelvy wants to be a holding midfielder, we have Lucas, Gerrad, Henderson and Allen, also conor coady and yalany baio are coming through, both are versatile and have the potential to better than him in that role!

Then its how much we overrate him! I used to think Shelvy would be a good player for us one day, but when you compare the development he has had opposed to the development f. eks Henderson has have you will see Shelvy was a better player 2 years ago! And it's not lack of games as he has racked up over 40 starts in the last 2 seasons!

His attributes, he has a very good shot on him and the occasional "Gerrard" long ball that rarely comes off and that's it actually!

He is slow, he lacks workrate, he is not skilfull to play as an attacking player, his positional sence off the ball is awful and I am sure anyone who has been to anfield agrees with me!
He is too agressive!
he might be a good player in the future but not for a top 6 side!
Can't see it, sorry! I try to judge players without being biased, then I try to see if the player has a chance of being a regular for us or has 8-9 players ahead of him in the pecking order.

Malak

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Shelvey is only 21 years old. He still has a long way to go to prove himself but to his advantage he has a few years ahead of him to develop into a world class player.

Whether he will or not, none of us yet know. It is up to the player himself to knuckle down and work hard for the next few years.

A loan would do him or the club no harm.

Red Lee

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Actually agree with everything there Malak mate. And there's still a chence we could bring in anoter Mid. It's a shame as I think he really loves been at the club and wants it to work, if only Suarez was the same.
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Would agree 99%. Except he is agressive. in a rash late possesion losing way.

If we could get £5m I'd sell best for both parties

carlo

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I like him and hope he stays.

I like his attitude.

There are too many fanny footballers in today's game.

Yes, he needs to calm down but that grit is missing in attributes of many footballers.

Was it at the start of this season that people were praising his performances?

I suspect that if we let him go then he would shine at another club.

DaveyBootle

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Wow, I might be the only one who can see a good player in Shelvey. Love to see him on loan for 6 months or a bit of time in the reserves to rediscover his passion but I think it would be a mistake to let such potential leave

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Good post Malak, couldn't agree more.
Jonjo isn't the natural successor to Steven Gerrard he wants to be/thinks he is. I hate to have a dig at our players and at any of the woefully few English prospects in the game but Shelvey, I feel, would be better off plying his trade somewhere where he's likely to be a regular starter.
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Ive been saying for over a year now Shelvey is poor at best, its not a confidence issue as some have said in the past.
The facts are he's slow, clumbersome and little skill to be playing for a top club, I think he would struggle in the championship as it goes.
And of course he's always going to be carded in a game, mostly yellows but sometimes red, time to ship him out as he serves no use to LFC.
Harsh but true i'm afraid.
Scouse Red

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10 Jun 2013 13:33:07
Malak.

If Shelvy wants to be a holding midfielder, we have Lucas, Gerrad, Henderson and Allen, also conor coady and yalany baio are coming through, both are versatile and have the potential to better than him in that role!

So we have 5 players to play as holding midfileder. yet we are crying to bring one in.
Allen and hendo Holding Midfielder?

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I think JJ is a lad who tries too hard I also think he believes he has already made it. He does have a decent dig on him and if he keeps developing his game, could well be a platt Lampard type player. does FSG all in a game and pops up in the area to get the winner

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10 Jun 2013 16:50:02
I said Conor Coady and Baio have the potential! They can develop and make it or not! Only time will tell!

Allen played as a holding midfielder for the first 10 games or so and was very good! I don't care about your fickle baseless opinion about Allen and Borini!
And henderson's best role is as a deep lying playmaker and his workrate and stamina could make him the perfect holding midfielder!

Lucas was bought as an attacking midfielder and with his injuries and dip in form was still the premierleagues best tackler this season!

Actually many fans has been calling for a donkey-type midfielder, but in reality reading through all rumours and talking to different people its very very low on Liverpools priorities!

Malak

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So Malak, there opinion of Allen and Borini is fickle and baseless but yours about Shelvey and morgan is what? You know that glass house you live in Malak, are the windows stone proof?

Waro

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Doubt Allen could hold water

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10 Jun 2013 18:21:39
Borini has been injured all season and 2 months he played with a broken foot.
Allen was very good and dropped in form when he was playing with an injury for 5 months.
Shelvy and Morgan was never injured!
I want what's best for Liverpool and clearly Morgan and Shelvy are not the answer! And if allen and Borini doesn't improve next season they will probably be allowed to move on!
I base my opinion on the players ability not where they were born or how much they love the club! If I did I would go crazy for Liverpool to sign me!

Your rant is baseless and I don't understand the hostility! You are just a sad clown and just like to come with mad ramblings! I don't care what you think, even I understand you love the club in your own weird aggresive way! Fine by me, but stay away from me, because I try to discuss football while honestly I don't know what you are trying to do!

Malak

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10 Jun 2013 18:26:50
And Waro I Only don't care about harry scouser's opinion about allen and borini! he has posted as a chelsea and a spuds fan so excuse me for calling him fickle!

And you mate have some serious problems! Get help!

Malak

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Malak, remember, when you point a finger at somebody there are 3 pointing back at you ( your a loon my mate ). If you can't take a relatively harmless response ( from me ) to you aggressively belittling people for having an opinion on players you like then I don't think this kind of forum is for you. I was merely pointing out, why is it o. k. for you to wash your hands of two players and say there not good enough and that's fine, but when another poster does EXACTLY the same, there opinion is fickle and baseless, just pointing out the irony or are you that far up your own a**e that you can't admit you got this one wrong, I will leave you alone in future lad if my responses upset you so much, geez!

Waro

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10 Jun 2013 21:31:02
If you read the posts 9 out of 10 agree about Morgan and Shelvy, but you probably never read anything!
I never have a go at no one but harry and also 9 out of 10 would agree he plays to much fifa!
As I said I am on here to discuss football, not psychological mind games or FSG politics! I haven't got anything wrong on this one so get off your high horse, you are not Liverpool's saviour and if Harry's opinions mean so much to you or you even agree with some of his mad ramblings then your problems are far bigger than I thought!
It has nothing to do with players I like or anything but the fact that my opinions are always based on facts and abilities!
Nothing I would love more than for Shelvy and Morgan to succeed at Liverpool and make ne look foolish but I can't see it!

Malak

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Ah Malak and Samsam. They're so wise and knowledgable. A match made in heaven.

Thing is if anyone differs with their opinions they get so very tearful.

Ah bless.

M

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10 Jun 2013 09:33:09
No wonder Suarez wants to leave if we are being linked with Kone. Dark day for the club if we buy him and you can throw any stat at me you like.

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I'll never understand posts like this. Some random no-body links us with Kone and it's a 'dark day for the club' and the reason that Suarez wants to leave - by your reasoning the day we were linked with Erikson, Papadopolis, Turan etc would have been great days for the club and should make Suarez definitely want to stay? If that's how you think you must live a very up-and-down existence of extremes

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Always one to be negative, the majority seem happy with the current rumours, Kone won't happen. and even if he did join us, we support him! as we should ANY Liverpool player!

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Totally agree mate if ls goes we need top quality players jot a journey man striker like kone he is not goodenough for lfc spend the ls on money on quality than more squad players

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Only 6% of all coupons printed are ever redeemed

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If I told you to jump off a bridge, would you?

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"Only 6% of all coupons printed are ever redeemed"

As cheesy as that comment was I had to laugh.

I need to get out more.

Haha.

DaveyBootle

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Lovin the coupon stat, I'm wondering if he thinks that's a dark day for the club? 'Why aren't Liverpool redeeming better quality coupons?' 'Why god why?'

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If Liverpool signed top players then other top players would want to be here. Its a fact of life. Madrid maybe one of the biggest clubs on the planet but if they sat mid-table for a few seasons top players wouldn't go there. Its because they recruit the best is where they are. Kone is a no go, fans who say get behind the team no matter what. Yeah all for that, but objections must be raised somewhere. So yeah a dark day. Oh it was the Liverpool Echo linking us with Kone, normally quite reliable.

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So u actually think we are interested in Kone? The papers just make up this rubbish week in week out. BR definitely ain't that stupid, he knows we r Liverpool and what is the standard of the players we should be signing.

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10 Jun 2013 13:34:57
Don.

Just this mentality has runied our club, we keep defending and supporting all stuppidity and criticize other players. players whe leave us, players who snub us.
Execptional.

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Nope you can do the honours if one would prefer.

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10 Jun 2013 15:25:16
We get linked with 1000's of players. We don't sign all of them, do we? Christ, the wage bill would be astronomical!

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What? As long as they pay the top dollar, Top Players will come and play for them. Money will always be the biggest factor in this day and age. If the Sheikh wasn't financing City would YaYa Silva and Kun be there. They all went there for the top dollar mate.

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Odds of being killed by a dog – 1 in 700,000.

» Odds of dying while in the bath tub – 1 in 1 million.

» Odds of being killed by space debris – 1 in 5 billion.

» Odds of being killed by poisoning – 1 in 86,000.

» Odds of being killed by freezing – 1 in 3 million.

» Odds of being killed by lightening – 1 in 2 million.

» Odds of being killed in a car crash – 1 in 5,000.

» Odds of being killed in a tornado – 1 in 2 million.

» Odds of being killed by falling out of bed – 1 in 2 million.

» Odds of being killed in a plane crash -1 in 25 million.

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Regardless whether we buy them or not. We are still linked with them. We get linked with Eriksen and half you rose tinted fools think its a full gone conclusion. So I am entitled to speak hypothetically regarding Kone. If and a big if, if we do sign him, I look forward to another season in midtable mediocrity.

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Is it just me, or does anyone else have trouble understanding Harry Scousser's comments?

The real AG

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10 Jun 2013 09:14:05
Hi EDs, your job on here has been phenomenal. Keep it up.
I got a question, is LFC scouting any player from Nigeria? There is a rumour that Ahmed Musa (20) of CSKA Moscow is of interest. Is that true? I really think he can evolve into a world class player with his trickery and pace. And by the way, when are LFC players resuming training?

JOE {Ed002's Note - I don't know of any interest in Musa from Liverpool.}

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Someone's been playing to much fifa13! My boys tell me 'ees wel gud innit' and has one the fastest speed ratings on the game!
How's that for being down wiv the kids?

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10 Jun 2013 09:15:48
Waro,
Firstly, I have to say that I do enjoy reading your posts. a lot of what you say does actually make sense even though it does tend to come across in a negative way. Having said that, it is clear to me that you are passionate about our club.


My question to you is


in your opinion

'Are we heading in the right direction?' and 'what steps would you like to see us take to improve our league position?'

Thanks for your time

Grant

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10 Jun 2013 09:45:55
Cheers grant, I may come across blunt sometimes but it:s because I would rather just get my point across and not sugar coat it for anyone who reads it mate TBH.

Are we moving in the right direction? I think we have plateued (spelling there) last season was similar to the season before imo, but at times you could see the makings of a good team only for them to regress in the next game, hopefully we will be more consistent next season and that will be a big improvement.

What steps to improve our league position, keeping suarez for a start mate. If he goes it will be a major negative for the team and put added pressure on the players coming in imo, keep him and ad at least 2 top draw players, I like the look of the armenian lad btw and top 4 can realistically looked at, failure to do so could lead to regression and more upheaval

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10 Jun 2013 09:47:16
My mobile went awol at the end of that post grant, apologies.

Waro

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To plateau is to have been on gr8 run and fall away. we stop started alot. never really got going to plateau. some gr8 performances. the squad which remains are a year wiser to the style br wants and adding players who can suit that will enhance us further. our defence is a major concern. we need it sorted quickly imo. i'd like a diame figure in there to add some power in amongst all the technical play br wishes to implamnt. and as waro said the armenian fella or ericksen and KEEP suarez and we would be a gr8 side. my 2 cents
5 gold stars

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Really don`t see any stats to show not having Saurez would be a major blow. In fact our results when he`s not playing are much better!
He does score some fantastic goals and is very exciting, but if you can see past that he also costs us many easy goals when he doesn`t pass to someone in a much better position to score.
It`s that same with Johnson, a few good dribbles and people are talking all sorts of rubbish. Fact is his defending is appalling and he costs us many more goals than he creates.
Matt B

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Good points. Thanks Waro.

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Enjoyed your post waro, nice balanced view of our progression. Agree with almost all of it.

Nevada

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Agree on keeping Suarez and getting Mikhityan.
They say you shouldn't keep a player that may want to leave but Suarez is a player that you can make stay, in the knowledge that he won't sulk and will still give 100% every game, as he knows no other way to play once he crosses that white line.
I've posted before we should put Lfc's needs first and Suarez needs 2nd.
We must get top4 minimum this season so we need to keep Suarez without doubt in my mind.
I couldn't give a monkeys about misdemeanors on or off the pitch.
Let's face it, the likes of Chelsea, Man United and City don't ship there bad boys out? Do they?

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Without suarez' goals last season we would have still finished 7th. we actually won more games when he was out of the team than when he was in it.

Suarez is a good player. iniesta is world class. He can and will be replaced. plus in my opinion even if we kept him and added some more quality we are still a step behind the top teams in terms of quality and top 4 next season was always a pipe dream.

As you keep piping on about us being a mediocre mid table team. why don't you accept it and stop giving yourself high blood pressure by ranting on about it all the time.

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Kidmillions with respect mate didn't City get rid of Bellamy and Balotelli?

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Top 4 a pipe dream? well let's sell Anfield and build houses on it! why bother playing at all? if you accept your a mid table team that's all you will ever be!

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Waro, if we all agreed with each other then it would be a s****y world.

Keep the posts coming, lad, as your passion is never in question.

That's what I love about these pages.

DaveyBootle

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Disagree with keeping Suarez part. The man clearly wants out. How difficult is that to understand? How do you propose we keep him? Cover him with sound proof glass so that he won't hear what anyone else says and so that he won't talk?

"kidmillions", you say it won't be difficult to convince Suarez to stay? Did you see what happened at Gronignen and Ajax, when he forced his way out?

The real AG

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5GS- if a plateau falls or slopes away then it's not really a plateau. is it? :s
And for once I pretty much had to agree with Waro, a much more balanced and salient post. Well done son.
But it's still. in Buck we trust! ;)

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10 Jun 2013 13:37:11
Kidmillion

Good post.

To the last guy.
I am sure you aren't a Liverpool fan.
without suarez goals we would have been in 7th?
my god.

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Some people ed. your comparing Suarez to iniesta. Suarez is a much better player then iniesta atm and I would not be surprised if Barcelona take him after selling some of their players. Suarez is a player we need to keep

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We may have won more without Suarez than with him by percentage, but bear in mind that we very few top half teams without himand a grand total of maybe five matches, six tops? Whilst we've shown a few times over the past two years that we can certainly cope without him and are capable of winning without him in the side, it's not evidence that he doesn't add an unspeakable amount to the squad

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Ha Ha, correct Davey my mate, it's my high horse, it's a lot taller than most! It's hard to get down from, ha ha.

Waro

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Not having played fantasy football, I don't really know how to approach this, but it seems to me that there has to be an art of picking players that function well within a team. Whether or not BR or the scouts have it is for the future to decide.

Coutinho impressed me with his ball control even before they signed him. The others? I like the idea of a hungry player who will fight for a chance, and I think that LFC giving these younger guys a chance will attract as good or better a player than always buying the MOTD. (Carroll comes to mind, but Podgorsky and Marin. the list starts here) but that doesn't mean that every one of them will pan out (that being why most professional footballers suffer from depression - they never ever make it, and we look at the top 400 or so instead of the tens of thousands that never get past Championship level football and it looks easy; in fact I think we are doing a lot better lately than most clubs.

Watched CR7 in the last game with the Portugal side and he was decidedly second rate - even out to lunch. I hope Man United break the bank and buy him back. Suarez with Uruguay however scored a beautiful goal, and Uruguay is hardly a powerhouse. So if someone has speed, control, and the overwhelming motivation to make it, that's a good start, even if there is still the question of will they continue to develop, not to mention career altering injuries.

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"To plateau is to have been on gr8 run and fall away"

No, it really is not. Good post Waro BTW.

HB

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Such a love-in don't you just Love IT!

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10 Jun 2013 02:38:55
Hi Eds,

Regarding Aspas' seemingly inevitable arrival, do you think he will be played as a striker, to add depth in that position/competition for Sturridge, or wide right in order to do the same for Downing? As is stands Downing is our only left footed winger. {Ed052's Note - I've mentioned this in my profile. Our front 3 are so fluid, he wouldnt be fixed to one position, they rotate}

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09 Jun 2013 18:52:31
Eds, do you see s buying a winger this transfer window if Suarez leaves? And if so who do you think are the most likely to come? Thanks! {Ed052's Note - a winger forward, such as MK perhaps. Aspas is a perfect example of a wide forward, who fits well into our system}

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09 Jun 2013 17:57:12
is there any chance of charlie austin of burnley £7 million better player than ince just a thoudht eds good work by the way {Ed052's Note - no. Neither are good enough}

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10 Jun 2013 08:10:02
are reports true that the delay with aspas was jue to funds/bonuses owing to him from his club {Ed002's Note - No.}

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Who knows best Liverpool echo or ed 2? Hmmm hard one hey?. Lol! Ed2 is secretly working with lfc's transfer team. RedTurk

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This would make no sense if it were true - if he is owed something he is owed it whether he has moved or not. You can't just cancel an agreed bonus because the contract got canceled, everything that happens up to the moment of cancellation still exists.

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10 Jun 2013 08:04:15
Shelvey will be leaving, with both Norwich, Fulham and Swansea interested - We want £8m, but expect him to go for around £6m.

Sterling will be loaned out for the season but only yo a premier league club - Cardiff, Swansea and Palace are all interested.

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Sterling will stay and play an important role and Shelvey will go out on loan not a sale.

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10 Jun 2013 07:40:34
Hi ed's, with Liverpool confirming kolo and virtualy adpas, what do you think the likely percentage are of these new arrivals. 1- Luis Alberto 2- popodopolous 3- atsu 4- tello 5- Diame 6- chadlji

thanks Dave red {Ed002's Note - We are not going to do such things Dave.}

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10 Jun 2013 06:58:44
One thing is obvious from BR's time so far at Liverpool, he has the ability to improve players. Two examples 1. Henderson who put in some great performances at the tail end of the season and 2 Carragher. yes Carragher
When he returned to the team, those constant aimless aerial passes that covered the middle third had disappeared from his game, despite the fact he had consistently played them for nearly 20 years. Rogers had coached them out of him.

With an eye to transfers, Rogers may be looking at what the player can become not what he is right now.

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Genius observation of transfers, considering that FSG stated that it was their policy to buy and develop talent as opposed to buying stars.
You are right about his coaching though, he seems to have a good set up with his staff for coaching exactly how he wants players/teams to play.

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Got to agree with the JC analysis. He seemed so much more comfortable on the ball. Of course Jamie will contest that he always had that, but its clear it was 'encouraged' under BR. It's a pity really, because if Jamie had shown or been allowed to show that side of his game earlier in his career, he would have been an England regular, as that was the thing that kept him from being picked. Oh the irony!

Glad he got to show that side before he hung his boots up.

Jamie, if you read this give Neville a punch from me will ya!

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10 Jun 2013 09:18:02
Then why he couldn't improve sahin, assaidi, allen whom he knows in and out, skirtel, etc

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A player like carra is always willing to listen to advice. Perhaps skrtle isn't, as for the rest that you mentioned, they are all young and developing so Maybe they will be better players. Not one of the players mentioned has even played half a season.

It was clear sahin refused to work for the team so that's why he wasn't improved.

Nevada

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To Jamies credit he did show a different side to his game and was really comfortable in possesion towards the end of the season. (what a pity he's not a bit younger)
A manager can ask a player to play in a certain way but if the player doesn't have the ability to do so, then it's best for them to move on. Shelvey, Assaidi. Skyrtel are 3 players that spring to mind who have limited ability.

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10 Jun 2013 11:09:31
There is no etc! Skrtel is just rubbish and been horrible and will get sold, sahin bitched like a little girl and is not at the club anymore and didn't start any important game for dortmund.
Allen was injured and will improve!
Assaidi will be sold!

Get your head out of there! What about Enrique? Gerrard, Downing. Even Suarez, Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge, Agger and even Carragher?
They all improved and fit the system!

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Carra started as a midfielder, you would expect him to be comtable on the ball. It was his lack of pace that let him down from been very top draw.

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10 Jun 2013 13:39:29
Allen was injured and will improve!
we don't need improvment buddy. neither we are a training facility.
we need CL, trophies and revenue.
this would be hendos 3rd season. no more improvement. Instant results and immediate impact.

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Carragher would never have been an England regular because the two people in front of him captained the two best teams in the country. As great as Carragher was, the reputation of the two in front of him was unmatchable. Imagine the public outcry is Ferdinand or Terry were taken off for Carragher to start a key match?

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10 Jun 2013 16:59:11
Harry do you read your own tripe? Haha
Ofcourse we need improvment, and we have always developed our players to become better and better and become world class!
No more improvment? Haha
Then how are going to get your targets!
Allen and Henderson are 22 and will be important parts of any kind of sucsess Liverpool will have no matter if you like it or not!
I know, you sold them on fifa so we have to get rid in real life!
"Mate" I remember a post from you slating Gerrard and saying he's over it when he hit a hard patch earlier this season!
They don't more fickle or impatient than you! Dude!

Malak

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More incoherent, gibberish, nonsensical posts from Harry today I see.

Do you even understand Football? Tool!

The real AG

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10 Jun 2013 06:37:23
Eds, can u tell us about the players being loaned out this season? {Ed002's Note - Far too early.}

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10 Jun 2013 05:20:18
John Henry and Tom Werner both called Rodgers to avoid eyeing on players with hard-to-pronounce names such as Mkhitaryan

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Load of balls that

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For merchandising shorter named players with easy to remember names are apparently far more profitable. Who knows - Kaka, roanldo, Hulk, the list is endless

GET REAL!

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Boredom, eh?

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Venegoor of Hesselink. Most popular Celtic player for five years. Nuf said

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10 Jun 2013 02:11:38
Eds. any interest in Xherdan Shaqiri? With Bayern Munich fielding such a strong side, I'm not sure how much time he is getting and didn't know if they would consider letting him go. Thoughts? {Ed002's Note - No.}

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10 Jun 2013 01:03:28
Ed's do you think that we would have sold Suarez before the start of the season or will he leave at the last minute like Torres?
I know that you are not psychic but I would like your opinion please. {Ed002's Note - It would just be guesswork.}

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Suarez gone by end of June.

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10 Jun 2013 00:32:40
Hey eds, do you think that Assaidi will leave Liverpool? Or is there any interested clubs in him? {Ed002's Note - I think there is a good chance he will go, but to where I don't know.}

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10 Jun 2013 00:24:24
When Suarez does leave I think we still need another striker even with aspas, sturridge is too injury prone and so is borini, I know you said we enquired about benteke and I pray we do everything possible to get him in.

Luke

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09 Jun 2013 23:56:05
Its so easy Liverpool could sign Diame from west ham and benteke from villa, for a combined 18-20 mill and it would improve our team drastically.

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Not sure about the 'so easy' part, but you're absolutley correct. They would improve us greatly I believe.

Physically we struggle a little I think, so adding these two would be very good aquisitions. Diame is technically very good and Benteke is no slouch either. I would welcome these two.

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