Liverpool Banter Archive April 10 2015

10 Apr 2015 22:12:27
Carslberg summer for me would be -

Recalls- Origi, Ilori, Wisdom & Texeira

Outs, Johnson, Skrtl, Toure, Enrique, Allen, Gerrard, Alberto, Aspas, Lambert, Borini & Balotelli

Ins, Benzema, Huntelaar & Milner

Job done, get me on the Comittee

😉

10 Apr 2015 23:31:37
God, No!

11 Apr 2015 06:44:32
I would rather have Commolli on the committee than u. Why would u want to sign 2 strikers when we only need one? Benzema will not come and Huntelaar is nearly 33. Milner???
And u are happy with Jones as backup GK? Did u not watch him play a couple of games while Migs was rested?

11 Apr 2015 08:12:40
We need 4 strikers that are capable as all top clubs have this depth and would want to see 2 up front not 1 as clearly doesn't work.

Huntelaar would provide clear top class competition to Sturridge & Benzema giving Origi time to settle under less pressure.

Milner is a player that you won't appreciate till in your side.

A real grafter and can fill several positions.

wages would be high granted but no fee paid.

Of course I would want better back up as goalie and better players in all positions but money isn't endless and the players out and in would be possible . If we made top 4 !

11 Apr 2015 09:31:32
For me a top goalkeeper with good distribution is key.

I don't necessarily disagree with the outs; not sure we're going to get a lot of money for under performing / not picked players to fund new signings.

I'd probably add Jones to your list (purely as I can't see Mignolet being sold for anything near what we would need to get for him). I'd add Coates as well.

I'd remove Allen (useful as a squad player).

For me a top goalkeeper with good distribution is key.

If fitness proved offer Flanagan a new contract and maybe try to persuade Garbutt to move over Stanley park. With Ilori and Wisdom coming back (although I'm not sure Wisdom will be coming back) that should be defence sorted as well.

Can should go back to DM / CM; use Rossiter or Williams from the U21's to fill the last CM position.

CAM we have loads of players; we could always give a few games to, Canos, Kent, Wilson in wide positions.

Bring Origi back; then try to get Ings and maybe a different type of striker (that BR may use - if still in charge).

Potentially 2 free transfers (although not technically free) and 2 players (keeper and striker) that we will pay a transfer fee for.

Hopefully this would help the FFP situation as well.

Obviosuly the above is not a Carlsberg choice - more what I think will happen (especially given what the Ed's have been saying).

I do not see the reason for spending +£5m for a player then sending them on loan given our current situation.

11 Apr 2015 11:46:06
Can we not just get rid of all of them and keep Coutinho Sterling Can Hendo and Studge?
Seriously though, Starting to doubt the next season already, we blew this one way before a ball was kicked selling Luis and replacing his goals with Lambert and Mario. Now there's talk of Henderson and Sterling potentially leaving. Makes me question what's going on with the top end at the club tbh. On a brighter note, got my Wembley tickets !!!! Come on the reds !!!

11 Apr 2015 12:00:11
Huntelaar is to slow and at 33 is only going one way - down hill.

11 Apr 2015 14:05:39
Aye he looked poor at the Bernabeu in CL this season!

Proven striker who would be a great option off the bench and means we could manage Sturridge better protecting him from injury.

2 yr deal by which time Origi will hopefully be up to speed.

Forgot about Coates who I agree should definetly be sold.

Academy boys can step up and take the places of all the boys leaving, on hugely reduced wages also.

Starting line up needs to add more goals and if we brought those 3 in I would be delighted ( never going to happen tho I know )

10 Apr 2015 22:01:27
How can a club like Liverpool with it's incredible pedigree not be better run? With the wealth of experience and talent that still exists around the club, how can better decisions about key appointments not be made. FSG should be pooling this resource for advice and opinions and so should Brendan. Other clubs would kill for the opportunity. And while I'm ranting, what a disgrace that Raheem hasn't given the club a huge end of season boost by signing a renewed and improved contract. It took me 4 years of low wages to learn my trade. Now qualified, it will take me 3 years to earn what the club are offering the guy PER WEEK. What a terrible mess football has evolved into; full of money driven, mercenary whores where loyalty and the promotion of GOOD local talent is sneered at.

11 Apr 2015 00:18:26
Totally agree,well said Pompey!!!

10 Apr 2015 19:40:46
Here's what I propose for next season, not what I expect but what I would like. Most will disagree.

Rodgers to be replaced (I'd love ancelotti and know he'd like to but we can't afford) by klopp

Monchi in as DOF if possible.

The sale of balotelli, nothing against him he was just not a good fit or put in the effort expected.

The renewal of sterling's contact (people might say he has not earned it but perhaps the contract situation is weighing heavy on his mind)

The sale of skrtle, too many players have to cover for him too often.

The release of Johnson

And the buying of. Nobody. You heard me, we spent a lot of money on players with either ability or potential and have some good youth players which we could give some experience to instead of buying 6 more. This will also help our FFP issues, I know people love their exciting transfers but a good team can be built with what we've got.

I'm sure klopp would play players on their best positions (I'm referring to can, markovic and sterlin).

Any other suggestions are welcome

Nevada

*side note ED001 is there absolutely no way to get Roy back involved again, man I loved his football.

10 Apr 2015 20:29:57
Klopp would be great, but I can't see it happening. For me, I don't really care who the manager is as it's not like I knew anything about Rodgers before he was appointed really, but I would hope FSG would do a better job of vetting the person involved and if it's one of the less experienced, younger types I would hope a Sporting Director or DoF would be instilled as well (preferably one that can point to a manager they can work with) in preference to the committee-concept we have today.

As far as players go and for the fun of it, I wouldn't mind seeing the trio of Bellarabi, Praet, and Gonalons all joining and aside from the obvious outs (Balotelli, Borini, Gerrard, Johnson, Aspas, Alberto, etc), that would about do it for me.

10 Apr 2015 20:38:01
I think there could be a few more on the way out. Wisdom, Coates, Ilori, Enrique. i'm sure there may be others.

10 Apr 2015 20:40:59
One thing I definitely disagree on is that I think if we are to stand any chance of top 4 next season, we desperately need a really good striker to partner sturridge.
The other strikers we have won't score enough goals to get us anywhere near a top 4 place.

10 Apr 2015 20:51:02
I agree with the transfers apart from Mario unless we can get the £16M back what we spent on him.Klopp over ancelotti

King Luis

10 Apr 2015 20:57:28
I actually agree with purchasing no one, although we do need to bring in a Striker if Balotelli and Lambert are sold. Sturridge has proven difficult to keep fit it would be suicide to just have him as our lone striker. I would a quality replacement but finances may dictate otherwise.

10 Apr 2015 22:10:58
Dortmund are currently mid table fodder, with half the points of leaders BM. Personally, I think Klopps bubbles burst.

Mario needs to be moved on, as too does Johnson, but I'd also look to be selling Sterling, otherwise we're going to be going through this transfer bollocks every season. The lad demanded to be the highest paid 15 year old, 18 year old, see a pattern?

As for Skrtel, he's our best defender, and I don't rate him at all, so I'd keep him, unless wholesale changes are made.

We desperately need world class experience in this side. £50m on a couple of top signings would reignite the fire of last season, though that's not going to happen with BR's running around saying no decent player will want to come to Liverpool. He's too defeatist with transfers, he's also an unknown on the world stage which is why we need a top level manager, someone who may be in a position to attract some of the cream of the crop. Top players with a desire for a real challenge must be out there.

10 Apr 2015 23:33:48
Koop is class and one bad year in five will NEVER change that.

10 Apr 2015 18:42:03
Ed001, can I have your opinion on whether you feel Rodgers is going to get the boot at the end of the season?

{Ed001's Note - my opinion has not changed that he has put himself in a position where he will get the chop.}

10 Apr 2015 19:22:12
I fully agree. FSG got rid of Dalglish who was a club legend and showed the fans that they are ruthless irrespective of the reaction they knew they would get. So those who are thinking FSG are happy with the way this season has panned out are fooling themselves.

Even Werners's comments back in February where he said 4th was not critical but important (which is a contradiction) should already give you an idea of where FSG stand. Werner did not in any shape or form guarantee that Rodgers would be here next season.

{Ed002's Note - Dalglish went for one reason only - the Runt and the related actions of December 21, 2011. The Liverpool "supporters" on these pages have long forgotten about Dalglish and what he did for the club whilst many still obsess about the Runt. Sadly he is not remembered by the majority anymore - the Suarez lovers.}

10 Apr 2015 19:38:21
FSG took action irrespective of opinions of the fans. Dalglish did spend over £100m on his return and winning the Carling Cup did not save him his job.

It shows that FSG are ambitious and want success like they have had with the Red Sox and will ring the changes if they feel things are not how they should be.

Dalglish is a Legend, there is no doubt but it does not separate FSG's ambition. They want success and it is highly unlikely that they will get success under Rodgers. He is the first manager of LFC in recent times not to have won anything in his first two seasons.

{Ed002's Note - I explained - Dalglish went because of the Runt and the events of December 21, 2011 - I made it very clear that day and the following days it was over. Most of the obsessives care about the Runt, going on and on about the one person who has done more damage to the name of the club in the entire history of LFC than any one other person. They care not for history or Dalglish, they care about the Runt.

It was nothing to do with the Carling Cup nor the money spent, it was due to the absolute disgrace that was associated with Dalglish's naïve reactions on that day - you clearly cannot grasp this at all.}

10 Apr 2015 19:51:48
Ed002, I actually did not want Dalglish to be sacked but yes you make a valid point. Everything revolved around Suarez and he made a mockery time and time again of LFC in order to leave with a massive pay day which is exactly what he got.

{Ed002's Note - He didn't stay long enough to get the massive pay rise so Liverpool had no problem offering it up as they knew he would be gone. He didn't want to play for the club and spent 19 months trying to find a way out.}

10 Apr 2015 19:53:20
Why is there a contradiction between liking Suarez to appreciating Dalglish? Wasn't it Dalglish who brought Suarez 9already known for some discipline issues including biting)?

Suarez was only one of the most talented footballers ever to play in our club in one season if not the most talented and made us get the closest to winning the title we have been in the last 20 years without too much help for others. We appreciate this without thinking about him as a role model of how to behave when you are losing your head exactly like the United think about Roy Keane for example or CR7.

Your John Terry is not exactly role model in any aspect off the pitch - family life, racism chants, ugly fouls just name it. But no one will argue that if a Chelsea supporter likes Terry he cannot appreciate Drogba.

{Ed002's Note - Try not to make it about any other club - you are making an embarrassment of yourself in front of the other Liverpool fans. Yet again your ignorance about other players and clubs, and indeed Liverpool, comes to the fore.

Suarez was a truly foul Runt who had caused major problems where he had been previous, biting, going on strike etc.. Still whining about Suarez. How many games was he banned for whilst at Liverpool (25 or so and then a further x month ban that was avoided by his sale). What did he cost the club in reputation? A great deal. And the cost in embarrassment of having a player threaten court action and actively court other clubs? Do you have any idea about the problems with the sponsors, the despairing owners and the massive loss of face that has kept Liverpool out of discussions with other Liverpool sides. The financial implications? And what about how he cost Kenny Dalglish his job? A man who did so much for the club but so many of the supporters were happy to see discarded in favour of the runt.}

10 Apr 2015 20:25:35
Dalglish will always be revered among all Liverpool fans forever whereas the likes of Suarez , fantastic player though he was will be remembered but only at a level similar to many many quality strikers we have had over the years.

I was gutted at the time Dalglish went and it was obvious his standing by Suarez cost him and I feel his performance 2nd time round was a lot better than he gets credit for.

He came in and took over when we were right down the bottom end of the lge, the performances and results in the first season were as good as had been in a long time and a respectable position was achieved.

The signings of Suarez, Carrol who was flying at the time as was Adam & Downing alongside Henderson were all good ones at the time based on their performances when signed and it wasn't kennys responsibility the fees that were paid.

2nd year the Suarez effect done him in.

The obvious controversy but the ban leaving Dalglish without his best player.

We also had multiple injuries to important players, hit the woodwork and missed more pens than anyone in the league, but still got us to 2 cup finals, winning one.

Sometimes circumstances conspire against you and with all this going against kenny in year 2 , it's no wonder the lge form dipped from the previous year.

If you look at both squads I would fancy Dalglish to have this squad performing much better than the one he had.

It was gut wrenching he never got another season to improve on this season which was as unlucky as you could ever see but FSG had the option that either the manager or Suarez left and is often the case player power dictates the manager is the fall guy.

I bet this is a huge regret of Dalglish that he backed Suarez to the extent he did but I would take him back as manager in a heart beat although I know this will not happen.

Oh to hear the chants of Dalglish again, when there was a real buzz in the stadium when he was manager, but whatever happens he will always be the top man in my eyes and most other fans of our wonderful club.

10 Apr 2015 20:36:42
if Kenny is our manager today and he can get Suarez back, he wouldn't think twice and take him, so will the sponsors, so will 99.9 percent of fans and the .01 perc who say they wouldn't are just too proud to admit it.

{Ed002's Note - You truly have no idea do you?}

10 Apr 2015 21:04:11
No one has ever done as much for Liverpool as Dalglish.

Our greatest ever player, trophy winning manager in both spells, 1 when still player manager and possibly most important of all how he did and still does conduct himself with the Hillsborough families.

How he has not been knighted is a disgrace and much as I liked Suarez for his football abilities he could not lace Dalglish's boots

10 Apr 2015 21:17:26
Love King Kenny. Love Luis Suarez. Don't give a flying duck what anyone says they both were incredible footballers end of argument. YNWA lads, they never put anything less than 110% in when playing for Liverpool Football Club. Which is more than I can say about another load of players that wore my clubs shirt !! Long Live the King. I just can't get enough.

10 Apr 2015 21:43:40
Ed2 I totally understand that Suarez cost Kenny his job, was that the only reason though, or was it for for finishing 8th as well or do you believe the owners would of given him a part of the next season to turn the league form around?

{Ed002's Note - It is moot as by the evening December 21, 2011 the writing was on the wall.}

11 Apr 2015 00:21:32
Ed when you say 'you truly have no idea do you?' I understand it is rhetorical but most of us actually don't have an idea. All we really hear is 'The sponsors are upset because of Suarez' or 'Evra and Man Utd players say he was racially abused, Liverpool players and Suarez say it was a misunderstanding' and we know which side Liverpool fans are more likely to believe, however naive.

If and when Suarez threatened the club with legal action the only way the fans hear about it is through this websites or media reports, whereas I assume (may not be true) you have the ability to speak to people much closer to the truth. I mean in your post you say there were financial implications and despairing owners? How are we meant to know either of these things really, I don't know what to believe in the media about finances (I have a degree in finance and economics and worked in the field and I still can't wrap my head around some of the numbers the newspapers chuck about) and the eds don't like discussing money.

All the fans really know about Suarez is he likes to bite people, got banned for racial abuse and tried to leave for Arsenal but stayed and put a round object in the back of a net quite a lot of times instead of leaving. Unfortunately in football today the latter seems to cause memory loss. This is not to say I support Suarez, but I wouldn't know anything about the situation behind the scenes if I had not read it on here from you ed002 or that I have forgotten what Kenny Dalglish has done for this club, few men have done more campaigning for the 96 and helping the families. Fewer still have contributed to Liverpools history and image the way he did.

11 Apr 2015 12:09:40
Fanobib, i would wager that more than 0.1 percent of fans have memories that extend further than the football pitch. I have no love of suarez even when he nearly helped the team win the prem.

If he worked for me it would have been him to get the chop instead of kenny and the reputation and subsequent financial penalties would not have been incured by the club. Ok so we may not have gotten as much for him as when we eventually sold him, but as witnessed this season that money has been pissed up a wall anyway.

Is he a good player, yes, would i want him back, hell no.

10 Apr 2015 15:37:26
Hi eds! What has happened with our previous interest in Dani Parejo and Paco Alcacer??

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool have dropped what interest they had in Parejo last summer. There is none in Alcacer.}

11 Apr 2015 00:45:22
Thanks for the info Ed!

10 Apr 2015 15:28:45
But Rodgers is doing a fine job and hasn't wasted most of the £130M spent.6th or 7th this year is fine when you consider that we were just unlucky crashing and burning in both Champs League and Uefa Cup. Incompetent and experienced decisions - Pah!

Alienating the Captain at Real Madrid and playing Allen instead of him in the Utd game was of course the right thing to do.Why would you need your Captain on the pitch when you are only facing Ronaldo, Bale and Rodriges? Anyway, Allen clearly had Fellani is his pocket a few weeks ago, he had nothing to do with getting within 3 yards of the ball in the first half!

Anyway, Allen is truly the Welsh Xavi.What a lynchpin to the side he has been this season.No one can argue with that.

But Bodgers is organising the team well and getting them to play to their strengths, what do you mean Migs, Toure and Sakho aren't comfortable playing the ball out from the back? Daniel Agger couldn't play footy with the ball at his feet for toffee and the young llori lad with unbelievable pace who we only paid £7m for doesn't deserve even one chance to show what he can do, especially with Lovren, Toure and Sakho playing so well.


Regardless, if those three have a dodgy time, why wouldn't he revert to a back 3 and play Can there as that will mean he can continue to play the Welsh Xavi.

And that system will mean he can play Sterling or other wingers who don't know how to defend as attacking full backs where they will be most dangerous.

And you can't argue with how he replaced Suarez, I mean the prolific Ballo and Lambert to add to 'can't hit the backside of a cow with a Banjo' Borini and fragile Studge is just a masterstroke.

What do you mean I need my Meds now Nurse?????

10 Apr 2015 15:47:37
You could always support another team mate or throw your extensive CV into the hat?

10 Apr 2015 16:00:43
Allen is a fine squad player.

We all can't wait for you to tell us which Man city player was in Joe Allens pocket when we beat them this season at Anfield?

Balotelli was the best attacker in Italy when we signed him, no one thought he would do so bad. People were delighted when we signed lambert as a plan B player. Oh how fickle .

{Ed001's Note - seriously? You are having a laugh if you think Balotelli was the best attacker in Italy! Even in a league that weak, he was not the best.}

10 Apr 2015 16:37:18
Gents - it's about humour and banter, at least come back with something humorous.

To pick up on a few of the points made: -

One good game a season doesn't make Allen a good player or even a decent squad player.

Balo best attacker in Italy! Really? Lol. Nurse, get my Meds for my friend here please.:-)

Plan B is great for Lambert, if only Bodgers had a Plan B and actually used it.

LFC has been my team for over 40 years so no, I won't be going anywhere. As for my CV, no I am not a footy manager and don't claim to be so come back with a bit of humour, if you have any. But seriously, re the Utd and Arsenal games specifically, even I could manage to tell players to clear the bloody ball when being repeatedly pressed rather than yourself into trouble!

Do you guys really think he has done no wrong and this season has been as good as it could have been? You must be joking me!

Ed 01, we have disagreed in the past, but I think we both agree that FSG will not be looking at this season as a success or acceptable in any way. The writing is on the wall for Rodgers, and rightly so in my humble opinion.

10 Apr 2015 16:54:55
Balotelli wasn't even the best attacker in AC Milan, never mind Italy.

10 Apr 2015 17:54:57
addan u r deluded and u need to get a sense of humor, allen decent squad player ? i do agree what connorslfc has said

10 Apr 2015 18:37:08
Sad thing is, He's not that far from the truth with his post.
Replacing Suarez with the goddamn Chuckle Brothers upfront has got to be the worst bit of transfer business ever in football. Well, I say ever,, Since selling Torres and buying Andy Carroll anyway

10 Apr 2015 23:41:24
And BR is responsible for signing those Chuckle Bros you speak off so what does that make him?

11 Apr 2015 10:36:37
Studge is a chuckle brother?

10 Apr 2015 11:17:05
Ex Reds player I played with, in a golf charity match told me to expect either:
Benetez return to Anfield in some capacity
or
Man City new manager.

Have you heard anything on this Eds?

Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - He was teasing you. Pellegrini will not be joining Livrpool. I have explained about Benitez already.}

10 Apr 2015 11:25:11
Think he meant Rafa as either Liverpool manager or city manager .

{Ed002's Note - They are the jobs he would like - there is nothing new in that. Manchester City have other ideas but it is possible they will want a manager just for one season.}

10 Apr 2015 16:14:48
Interm manager Rafa !

10 Apr 2015 20:22:54
Waiting for Guardiola ed002?

{Ed002's Note - Godot.}

10 Apr 2015 22:39:40
What other potentially big clubs will want him though?
United? Arsenal?
He will have his pick.
I do know he wants to come to England.
Do you think that will be his next move? to the Premiership?

10 Apr 2015 09:51:07
I think Rodgers will get anot her season, for the following reasons,
We are better than we were when he took over, and much more importantly it would cost too much to replace him.
Also, he has had three good half seasons, he just has to learn to put them together.
What do you think ed?

{Ed002's Note - You don't want to know what I think.}

10 Apr 2015 11:16:39
thats great if a season is half a season long!!

10 Apr 2015 11:46:18
What do you think ed002 haha?

10 Apr 2015 18:41:16
How was last season a bad half when we were top by Xmas, and let's not forget the six games the saint Suarez missed, if Rodgers goes I'll says thanks you tried your best but at least you didn't drag our great club through the mud time after time again,

10 Apr 2015 23:48:31
We need a manager for the whole season and not half seasons. Just saying!

10 Apr 2015 09:01:37
Hey eds, do u think winning the fa cup would have any impact on the sterling situation?
And also on potential incomings?

Thanks and keep up the good work :-D

{Ed001's Note - very little, if any.}

10 Apr 2015 09:29:57
Thanks for the reply

{Ed001's Note - you are welcome.}

10 Apr 2015 09:30:02
It will just make his statement about him not being about money but about winning trophies even more ridiculous if he keeps on pushing to leave.

{Ed001's Note - depends on where he went.}

10 Apr 2015 08:10:50
Hi Eds,

I was just wondering if anything has been said regarding any potential sale of LFC?

Do FSG have a genuine "long term plan" for the club or are they listening to offers?

If so, who is the likeliest buyer?

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - This has all been dealt with before - now is not the time to raise it again AJ.}

10 Apr 2015 18:15:19
2017 is the year that things could happen mate according to Ed002(I may be very mistaken)

10 Apr 2015 06:57:53
Brenda has no long term vision. Just not good enough, Are we any better than when he took over?

10 Apr 2015 09:14:49
Yes we used to finish 7th and 8th, or have you erased that from your memory ?.

10 Apr 2015 18:58:31
"Are we any better than when he took over" are you serious?? Ffs,

10 Apr 2015 20:31:39
Rodgers is far from perfect but to suggest we have not improved under him is just wrong.
I think it is the rollercoaster ride which is frustrating fans.
Great last season, not so great this season.
A steady upward curve would be great but I would still be happy to see where Rodger's takes us as I think we still have great potential and I think he does as a manager as well.

10 Apr 2015 23:54:04
For the money spent, a qrt billion to be exact, he has not improved us because we may well be facing the same mess we faced when he arrived.