Liverpool Banter Archive April 10 2013

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10 Apr 2013 22:45:58
What a joke.

Waro, to be fair you're pretty cutting yourself with people whose opinions are different to yours.

But Davey Bootle and Jimmy Smith talking about only true fans are those from Liverpool and go see games week in week out?

I take huge exception and insult to that.

I've been to games but obviously not week in week out. Its not as easy for us "foreigners" who have to pay flights and sometimes hotel aswell as tickets. Its a lot more expensive than what you pay but I can safely say I never miss a game. I have seen all of Liverpool's games this year on TV and I am every much a supporter as you are and know exactly what's going on.

I supported Liverpool as I enjoy good football and was attracted to the footballing talents of players like Barnes, Rush etc. The football in Ireland is not the best, hence I support Liverpool and trust me, my mood changes with the clubs fortunes.

You should be damn grateful for Liverpool's global fanbase as it allows Liverpool to sign the big sponsorhip deals and keep the club's status as a big club. Not insult us as you just did.

Davey Sulls

Fully agree. irish man myself and we are diehard reds
Mikey LFC

Fully agree. Everyone of course recognises that Scousers make Liverpool FC what it is, but I always believed the Liverpool fanbase was welcoming and embraced people from outside the city who were nonetheless passionate about the club. But the more time goes on, the more I see vitriol against so-called 'wools' from Liverpool-born fans. I don't understand it and it is hurtful. Fortunately I think it is a minority though, and most appreciate that as long as the fans are passionate about the club, it doesn't matter where they come from.

DP

My personal opinion on this is that you should support the club from where you are from, or the closest team to you, and I think football would be better off for it, all around the world. It obviously will never happen like, but that is my opinion on it.
JFT96
Smithy {Ed001's Note - noooooo, I would never let my daughter support the local team! She supports Liverpool, end of and football would be no better off for her wasting support on a bunch of southerners that hate scousers.}

Totally agree with you Davey Sulls. To attend a football match does not make you a supporter. A true red supporter feels the club in their heart, and doesn't have to justify the fact that they are real supporters just by attending matches.

I despair at the rantings of these children, keyboard warriors who know nothing about what it is to be a real supporter. I have supported our wonderful club for over 50 years, yet I've only been to Anfield a couple of times this year. Am I not a supporter?

Ignore the trolls and be content within yourself that you are a REAL supporter.

Now go to bed children, and stop practicing your typing skills in your bedrooms.

Tel 1949

Great post mate you just sound like myself ther and i'm also irish and go back to the rush, barnes, beardsley and whelan team of the late 80 s

I agree as well guys, but to be honest it is a stupid debate to have simply because 99% of the people on this site are proper fans and this is evidenced by the fact that there are so many of us who are glued to this site daily. Some are negative - BR out FSG are this that and the other (mentioning no names) others are give BR time get behind him, and some are not sure hope it all works out and by this time next year we'll see whether BR could be the right man for the job. Either way we share our views because we are passionate about the club and when we lose or don't perform it ruins our day. Unfortunately, there appears to be a thinly veiled undercurrent of xenophobia that exists amongst a minority who seem to think that Liverpool is for Liverpudlians, it's appalling especially because they are beating around the bush and haven't got the bottle to come out and say it even though that's what they seem to be alluding to.
DT

Mate great post, i'm 55 from chester not Liverpool and I can tell you now in the 70s and 80s when our avrege attendance was 44 to 47,000 we had a huge out of town following infact on a week game not weekend that dropped to 30,000 for like prem games and 18 to 25,000 for carling cup games. Infact a lot of local fans didn't bother unless it was a big game. Liverpool has since the early 70s been a club supported by many and from far and the club know and understand that. if lfc were just a local team they would defunkt. we are a global family and long may that be.

martin p

sorry bout spelling and grammer as I didn't go school muchwas to busy bunking on trains to go watch the reds

I'm in Australia and they sold 33000 tickets in 33 minutes to watch a friendly against Melbourne victory, it will sell out an 80000 seat stadium this afternoon. Be happy so many people support the team, one way or another we all want the same thing regardless of age, nationality and residence.

11 Apr 2013 07:18:51
The fans within the city just contribute 1/3 of Liverpool total fan base.

Funny that the first Liverpool team to set foot on anfield was 11 Scotsmen not scousers as is stated in the clubs history it's not just a badge it's a family crest.

Gee man

Smithy, seriously, football would not be better off.

because if you're saying that, all players should play for their local clubs too because there'd be no money in the game.

basically, what you are telling me is you don't like the professional era and want to go back to an ametuer game?

Well, I do as the football standard is raised because of it and I do like quality football myself.

Davey Sulls

Davey Sulls

11 Apr 2013 09:16:04
People who say you should support the club where you are from make me sick! They are clueless. I love football, and when I started watching football Liverpool was the defenition of fantastic football. You don't love football then do you? you can't enjoy some nice CL football or your national team f. eks?
Football is not just Liverpool, and even though Liverpool won many titles and european cups in my life time and I have witnessed them with my eys, I still love the club even more now, I still believe in FSG and Brendan and I still couldn't live without a game of Liverpool to watch in the weekend after a hard week of work and travelling!
I am not fickle nor am I a glory hunter, because if I were I wouldn't support Liverpool after 23 season with no league titles. But I do even more and no kid like you with out a clue will ever change that FACT for a bit!
People like you Smithy think they own the club and its people like you who bring the club down with the 'thinking they know it all' attitude. Sandbox for you and Waro

Malak

Why should I support a team from where I am? They don't even have a team from my place in South India. By your logic, only locals should support their teams and subsequently, only scousers should support LFC. if that were the case, LFC wouldn't have a global fanbase it has now.

The real AG

You know what, this debate is the biggest pile of, you get the idea!

I am a Liverpool supporter since I started supporting them, I live in a place somewhere and have gone to see Liverpool play football in the past!

This is all that matters! What in gods name are you arguing about? If I didn't love the club as much as I do I would stop supporting the club just because of you lot!

10 Apr 2013 22:00:46
Hey Ed I've heard a lot about Jordan Rossiter from the academy and comparisons with Steven Gerrard. My question for you Ed is he really that good? Could he really reach the standards of Stevie G?
Cheers in advance,
Kopman. {Ed001's Note - it is entirely possible that he could be a great player, not sure he could quite reach that level though it is difficult to tell.}

11 Apr 2013 09:00:27
I was born and raised in Liverpool and like many of Maggie's children went outside of my beloved city for work. I stood proudly on the Kop in the 1970s and 1980s and welcomed people from all over the world who were just as passionate about my team. I return regularly and bring friends to the city and to matches when I can get tickets. The welcome they receive has been great and their spending brings money into the club and the city - money that helps to create jobs for local people. They return with a positive impression - one that goes some way to undermine the right-wing, anti Liverpool bias. We must never lose the friendliness for which we were once famous. The persons who spout on about 'wools' have no idea what damage they can do.
One team, one city, one family! YNWA
JFT96
Scousehouse

11 Apr 2013 09:07:02
in 2 years time it will be much clearer, the lad just turned 16. But no matter how negative some are just look at the players in the academy and tell me we won't be challening for big hounours again in 3-4 seasons when
players like Danny Ward, Ryan Mclaughlin, Llyod Jones, Brad Smith, Marc Pelosi, Yalany Baio,
Jordan Rossiter, Trickett Smith, Joao Carlos Teixeira, Jack Dunn, Seyi Ojo, Kristoffer Petterson, Jordan Ibe, Jerome Sinclair, Semid Yesil, are in the first team with experience and the others that already broke in the first team like Martin Kelly, Jack Robinson, Jonjo Shelvy, Raheem Sterling, Suso, Andre Wisdom, Stephen Sama, Conor Coady. There are so many others as well but those caught my eye, all won't make it with us ofcourse but most of those mentioned above are players with extreamly high potential and they are all ours. the furture is not as dark as some on here suggest. With patience, in 3 years time buying new players will be a forgotten word, and people should be more positive because we as a club are still trying to correct the mistakes of the past and build for the future. We should be proud of what we are and our history and support the club to be back there again and not rip at the owners who saved us from administration, the players who are adjusting to a new system which on days it has clicked we have looked amazing, and a young manager who I believe in and think in time with patience & support will get us back there. The only way to do that is to keep the faith and the belief in the work being done, the path now being taken and we will be GREAT once again.
To the real supporters YNWA JFT96

Malak

10 Apr 2013 21:57:04
Liverpool fc is big today its because of Global fans not tiny fans who are only at Liverpool city, if all global fans stopped supporting Liverpool then they will be no difference between everton or Liverpool, their is a reason why Liverpool fc always tries its best to attract more global fans after all footy is all about opinions and Liverpool should be thankful after so little success still global fans have supported the club who are totaly in love with mediocrity.

Today Liverpool are losing global fans every year because of lack of success and that is going to hit very hard in near future united, barca, madrid etc are head and shoulders above Liverpool globally, even Arsenal or Chelsea sell more Merchandising then Liverpool that's how situation is getting worst, Arsenal or Chelsea sponsors are getting bigger and bigger where Liverpool sponsors are getting smaller and smaller again lack of success, so be carefull next time saying support another club or else Liverpool will not only turn laughing stoke but will vanish like Leeds or forest etc

If we are 'losing global fans every year because of lack of success' then they weren't really fans in the first place.

Global fans in love with mediocroty? Your having a laugh.
Lfc has an intangible attraction that draws people in regardless of success.
I've been to most Premier stadiums in the Country and nothing draws you in like Anfield, admittedly it doesn't do it for everyone but if it does it for you?
You are smitten for the rest of your life and that goes not just for fans but for players and staff as well.
LFC is a special Club and once you are part of it, you feel special yourself.

10 Apr 2013 23:10:46
Don't worry Liverpool will take 20+ years to achieve Champions league same like league title, I can't believe how Liverpool have fallen so down, already 6 years and still counting without Champions league, 23 years and still counting without League title, instead of progressing Liverpool is turning in to midtable team, the atmosphere at club is completely change fans have no hope or faith some have already accepted Liverpool is midtable team finishing 7-8th is progress haha. Anyways all the best for competing with your neighbours for which is the best/worst side on mersyside.

They might not be true fans but the club still needs its global so called fans. Yea they support clubs who are successful & have the best players. Are we seriously going to be shocked by this? No!
If the club are successful and winning then globally we will attract more supporters & more money will come in. It's as simple as that.

Alsky

10 Apr 2013 23:26:36
Ed2 mate is it true that Arsenal and chelsea make more money then Liverpool from sponsors, merchandising etc, if so then very sad! {Ed002's Note - Both clubs turnover a lot more than Liverpool.}

10 Apr 2013 21:41:18
Waro, I've said exactly the same in the past and I received the same negative replies.

It happened with Utd, Chelsea and now City as they are the 'in team" that the new generation of glory hunters cling too.

You can"t blame the Welsh, Irish supporters etc who have no established team in the English league, yet it's the breed of fan who chose Liverpool at some point as a celebration of the clubs success.

Ask yourself this.

Would Liverpool have as many fans if they were not as successful as they were in the 80s or90s?

The answer is simply no.

I appreciate that people have relatives who supported the club, and that many ex-pats spread the word of our great club etc etc, but, in my opinion, no true fan can choose a club of their preference and call themselves a true fan.

These are the people that don't understand the culture and fundamental value of supporting.

Its great that the club has such a diverse support, yet its sad that the mentality of clinging on to any club has a detrimental affect to the game in general as many local/town clubs are simply crumbling apart as a consequence of the lure of the premier league to the 'generic fan'.

DaveyBootle

So you'd still be going if there had been no Shankly and it was Liverpool away at Gillingham on Saturday, Davey?
I don't think so mate.

I mean 70s

DaveyBootle

11 Apr 2013 09:06:51
Cant speak for davey but I would definitely still go regardless of what bill had or hadn't done. Because in Liverpool you are born a red or a blue and you can't change what you are, I had zero influence of which team to support because my parents were not big on football, but one of my earliest memorys was getting into a fight in nursery school because I wanted the red soldiers because I supported lfc and the kid I was arguing with wanted them too. I was 5 or 6, so I wouldn't have had a clue about trophys, it was just how I felt. So your implication is wrong.

Waro

Davey I understand to a degree the point you and Waro are trying to make but for those of us (i'm Irish) that have flights, coaches and hotels to pay for a match can cost an awful lot that many of us cannot always justify in this economic climate.

However; we are not all 'glory hunters' I was born in 1980 so yes I supported Liverpool in their heyday but I am from a family of man u supporters ffs and supported Liverpool because my elder cousin (who was like a big brother to me) supported them, he in turn because his dad supported Liverpool and so on.

Now, I grew up with a lad who supported Liverpool - he is now a huge Man U fan and switched his allegiance in the mid 90s (traitorous *******!) so whilst glory hunters are enevitable like him, many will support a team due to their success only because that is what first introduces them to that team - the passion they feel when their team plays, whether they watch them live or on tv is what keeps them supporting them. Now we have obviously not been as successful as we once were but still retain the majority of support we once did when we were successful.

These fans live and breathe the clubs fortunes and turmoils, most of us know the joy we feel at destroying a team and equally the dismay felt when we lose - it is those of us that have that in our hearts that are true fans, irrespective of geographically location.

Sorry about the long post!

Swallybean

10 Apr 2013 21:34:00
Does anyone know if there are plans for LFC to do another documentary series during pre season?

No plans at all.

I hope so, need a laugh leading up to pantomime season!

Much love

10 Apr 2013 21:16:19
Don't know whether to believe this. My other half thru work got talking to someone who works at Sky and who knows the groundsman at Real Madrid (previously was at Highbury). Anyways, the groundsman was saying that almost on a daily basis Xabi was telling Sahin how great Liverpool are and he really should go there. Sahin obviously came and ended up buying Xabi's flat on the dock that he's been trying to sell for 2m the last two years. Sahin is now stuck with the flat! Ickenham Red

Ridiculous post. Sahin stayed in an apartment that is owned by the club. Buy a flat for 2m on a 6 month loan deal? Ridiculous.

The post wasn't ridiculous. What is being said/spread around is what's ridiculous. I also was of the feeling it can't be true as he was only on loan and so why buy a flat!? Just thought it was funny. Lighten up will ya!

10 Apr 2013 20:30:19
What is with the obsession with RAFA? He did okay. Not brilliant. Yet everyone acts as if he like shanks or summut. I personally wouldn't want him back. I think we have the right man in charge now going forward. Yet loads of people really despise him. Seen some remarks on twitter about him and its discraceful to think there fellow fans! Rodgers is very proffessional and passionate and with time will turn into a brilliant manager. The team andanager have gone about there business very well and progressed amd improved this season. What more can you ask for?
Wolvo_Jake

So you can't doing okay as winning the champions league and getting us ranked the number 1 team in europe. I'd love to know what doing better than okay is, rodgers will get no-where near rafa's success at lfc

11 Apr 2013 11:47:55
Yes he won the Champions League and FA cup. Dosent mean he improved us as a club or set us up fore the present and future. He had instant success. But ever since 06 what did he do. Got us seccond in the league? Spent loads of money on waste! Finished outside top 4? Ruined inter. Not suceeding at chelsea? Yes he did okay but wasnt nothing special! He just inst the top manager everyone claims!

Rodgers has a philosiphy and a vision and is improving us! Which RAFA didn't doo. And as he would say. FACT!
Wolvo_Jake

10 Apr 2013 20:07:49
Lucas Moura, give me Coutinho any day of the week
and especially a saturday afternoons.

Lucas Moura is a fantastic player. Not to say Coutinho isn't/won't be, but Moura is much closer to being a finished product than Coutinho

10 Apr 2013 20:00:39
Anyone think a big named player will sign this summer and surprise us all and who would you like?

10 Apr 2013 20:31:40
Pedro possibly? Just a thaught. Someone like that possibly

Be nice alright imagine masch came back!

Big name? Maybe Lazarus Christodoulopoulos.

Venegoor of Hesselink, greatest money spinner ever when Celtic charged by the letter for shirt printing!

10 Apr 2013 19:26:43
I don't care were are fans come from North East South or West
they are entitled to there opinions, I Remember being the Kop
in the 80s and the people standing around me (all Scousers)
give Dalglish loads of stick for changing the team when we played
the likes of Wimbledon. as a 52 year old, and a fan for all of them years,
what I think has changed is the modern day fan. who want instant success
its a throw away society, ie that's not working let's get a new one,

oh and I am a scouser

Deano95

The post yesterday was about glory hunting if you were not from Liverpool.
Waro was missing the point.
I have got no problems if kids today want to follow Chelsea or City. Why should they not?
But if you're going to support a team, do exactly that.
Take the time and trouble to learn about the club, its history and culture.
And try to get to a game!
ps where's all the posters tonight, watching sky by any chance?

10 Apr 2013 20:50:38
Deano95 mate not only modern day fan, infact the whole game has changed, last year werner said FA Cup or Carling cup are not important, this is just a small example how game has changed or how our owners see the game.

Our owners do not understand the game.
Cups are important as they breed a winning mentality and spread confidence throughout the team. That's why KK should never have been sacked.
Anyway, saw the comments from BR in response to Rafa today. He's obviously concerned.
Would have Rafa back, not sure what everybody else thinks?
G

11 Apr 2013 11:43:10
i think you should find a time machine because rafa is never coming back and I rather have Brendan any day of the week. and I am 43 years old before you talk rubbish and have supported Liverpool since 1978.

Malak

10 Apr 2013 18:57:11
I like Lucas but if we are to challenge for the title or at least challenging for the top 4 spot in the league, better player in our DMF position is a must.

Have you forgotten Lucas has had a massive injury through this season, if we keep him fit til end of season, next year he will be much stronger

Excellent post mate, great news that he has signed a contract and will definitely have a part to play in the club's future success as he has excellent game intelligence and a positive influence in the dressing room however a pacier and more powerful alternative in what is a pivotal position with BRs formation is a must IMO.
DT

Nooh no no. a better player in DMF (COVER) is a must. because allen isn't doing it.

Lucas is bog standard, hope we sign diame at worst

majestic69

I love Lucas, but this season the injuries have affected his game, as expected. I think the Summer will be a great time for him to recouperate back to 100%. On the subject of Lucas though, the one player I would want more than any other in Lucas's position IF we were living in a dream land is Axel Witsel. Powerful, can defend brilliantly (albeit sometimes a little wildly like Lucas), can make brilliant runs and can score. Would be the complete package, not only for protecting the back 4 but pushing up and distributing to the boys at the front.

JFT 96

JP

Question: A top player who can challenge/cover for Lucas and also play in defence.

Answer: Wanyama

Fee: £10m

Simple. {Ed049's Note - Wanyama would never want to be a back up to someone}

10 Apr 2013 18:52:33
Good news that lucas has extended his contract. MATTTLFC

10 Apr 2013 18:43:40
Waro
I tell you what makes me laugh.
It's nothing to do with being a scouser or not.
It's these armchair firebrands that swear their loyalty and passion, and can't be a**ed to fork out now and then to get to a game.
Then they're slagging the supporters or the players and manager.
Yet these same people pay their £80 Sky subs every month to Murdoch - the S** owner, I may add - and their £50 phone contracts, go on the lash at weekends and holidays abroad and then, and then!, have the cheek to moan that they can't afford to get to games.
Believe me I know that football is expensive but some people make their priorities.
I am from the time when people flogged their tellies, washing machines or cars to get to a big match.
So, before these people moan about prices, go and cancel your Sky first and get to a game instead.
And Smithy, you're lucky that your old fella is a STH and no doubt has subbed your travels mate. So please don't get too uppity about going here and there. It's sadly all about the readies these days, but it used to be about much more than that.
Liverpool over 40 years. Pls print eds. {Ed002's Note - There are a lot of fans who do for one reason or another struggle financially and there are those who cannot get to games because they live elsewhere. Don't lose sight of them.}

Mate, I just turned 19, I have scouse parents and hardly a penny to my name. My dad works his arse off to pay the mortgage and for my sister to go to uni. And your telling me i'm not a real fan because i'm poor? Because I don't want to spend that 200 or so pounds on travelling up to Liverpool to watch a game, or even watching one in london for 80 pounds since my family NEED the money.

You are honestly a horrible person for suggesting that. Furthermore the price of a ticket coupled with the price changes on value of money aren't proportion. Tickets are more expensive now then ever in terms of real wages.

You talk about other fans slagging off the players and manager. Yet you always do, I didn't realise you were a surperior being for having more disposable income then the many hundreds of thousands who don't. I guess your a tory at heart, your opinion matters because youve got the money.

Sorry didn't sign my rant

Domihiho

Mate I am a Liverpool fan for 40 years, I live in the midlands and I get to about 6 games a season. but the main problem mate is the fuel cost to people 380 mile round trip isn't cheap every over week. Wish it was like the old day train to new st then lime st number 17 bus to ANFIELD and £7. 50 to get in the kop the train £13 return £40 for the day. now It costs about £100 a time

I hate to say it, but the original poster is a dumb*ss, quite frankly. There is a whole world outside the northwest mate. If LFC only had fans that lived in Liverpool, the club would be screwed. How are supporters from Australia or Canada etc supposed to get to any games - or are they not counted as true supporters by you? I know plenty of die hard Liverpool supporters that have never even been to England - isn't that a good thing? Although I don't like to slag anyone off, I have to make an exception for you. If you are just dumb I suppose I forgive you, but if it is ignorance try to improve yourself a bit will you?

10 Apr 2013 21:31:20
@2
if you're 19 now and followed Liverpool in the CL in 05 and that, that'd make you about 11 then?
Not bad going that mate for an 11 year old.
I'm no Tory. But I spend nothing, else for a few weeks to pay £100 to a tout to watch Liverpool get beat away.
The point is, there aren't any superfans. Scouse or not.
Just supporters and followers.
And there's a difference in my book.

I remember rushing up to Liverpool the next day to see the home coming. All it seems to me is you got ripped off by a tout, and are angry other fans don't get ripped off as well.

Nick
You missed the point mate, the post yesterday was about gloryhunters from outside Liverpool.
We're all gloryhunters, scousers or not, unless you were born in the 1950s when Liverpool were in Div 2.
This post related to Brits obviously, I took that as read.

We do our best, We buy merchandise, shirts and reinforce the world wide appeal of the LFC brand that helps Liverpool get international sponsorship. But we live all around the world so can't get to a game anymore because we've migrated in the hope of a better life & standard of living for our kids. I would give anything to take my boys to a match like I did when I was young, so the parochial whiners need to go on google earth and explore more that merseyside.

Well, looks like we were all told then. You're not a real fan until you've lost your house, starved your children, destroyed your marriage and rid yourself of all worldly possessions to see a match.

People may say the original poster is wrong, confused or disrespectful. He is not. He is the base level of vile, one of the most disgusting 'fans' I have ever heard from. I would love to see him express his views to some of the clubs biggest ever names like Paisley, Shanks and King Kenny and get his arse handed to him for it. You're sick mate - 'i remember when people used to sell their cars and washing machines to get tickets', utter crap and even if it's true, what disgusting people to screw over their families so they can watch a game!

10 Apr 2013 18:43:33
Raffa to come back to Liverpool
and manage Everton.

Once it's not us

10 Apr 2013 18:23:18
Brilliant news on lucas contract

A top player and someone who really gives evreything for lfc

Basy

We still need some muscle in the middle of the park though

10 Apr 2013 18:19:13
Congratulations to lucas signing a new contract anyone know how long it is for?

Who would dislike this?

10 Apr 2013 17:06:25
Time for a ramble…

I spend (far too much) time visiting the site and enjoying the rumours and the banter. Except after a loss or draw – my view is that its football and that nothing is certain and it’s how teams play on the day that determines the result. You miss chances, get bad decisions, the other team gets lucky – that’s the beauty of football.

I remember the trauma of the H+G final months and the elation of getting FSG. Whilst personally I think they are doing OK by us I accept that others have a different opinion. What I find quite disgusting is that people have been making threats against the owners to the point that they feel afraid to attend matches.

One of the things I know a lot of fans wanted was the opportunity to have shares in the club similar to the set up at Barca.

Wow! Could you imagine that?

After a bad result or draw all hell would break out. Shareholders would be taking to the streets of Liverpool and having pitched battles about if we should sack the manager, bring a past manager back or have a say in determining the team selection. Shareholder lists would be discovered so threats could be made directly to influence their opinion. It would be like the banter page on a Sunday morning but with consequences.

Worse still those that owned shares would think that their opinion was superior to those that didn’t. Of course the people that owned shares AND attended Anfield would be a caste above – and those that actually owned shares, attended matches AND were born within the city limits would be above all else.

Actually I’m OK with things the way they are for now….

Brings to mind a Will Farrel quote from his movie semi pro. " we're going to fight, and then we'll vote".

ri red

This may well be the sites finest ever post in my opinion

10 Apr 2013 17:00:05
we will proberly sell skrtl carroll quates assaidi and get around 35mil for them. carra will be retiring and needs to be replaced. we need at least 2 class central defenders and a midfielder like eriksen/gotze ect ect and we need a winger that gives us more goals than downing does although downing has been playing better lately. we need 4 players and 35mil will not be enough fsg will have to spend, if not in the situation we are I would sell suarez if some team would pay 45/50mil. I don't want to sell suarez but if it makes a strong team with no weak points I would. and don't panic many clubs have done this in the past milan/juve/even real (robben, snijder ect ect) we need to see our situation and start building. Malta

Skrtel £13m, carroll £17m (+£1m from West Ham United for staying in the prem), assaidi £4m, Coates £6m, spearing £2m = £43m

2 CBs and a LB would cost £18.5m
CB; Toby Alderweireld - £8m
CB; Carlos Zambrano - £4.5m
LB; Dennis Aogo - £6m

2 midfielders would cost £21m
DM; Mohamed Sissoko £4m
AM; Christian Eriksen £17m

2 forwards would cost £11.5m
WF/SS; Dimitri Payet £11.5m
ST/WF; Michael Ngoo (promotion)

= £51m

Owners would have to shell out under £10m for transfer fee's (not including sign on fee's or agent fee's)

Not a hope fella

As usual we get top price for our unwanted players and manage to fleece our opponents.
Then we use the money to purchase promising players at rock bottom prices.

Easy

10 Apr 2013 16:50:35
Waro, I think in 2002 when I visited my cousin's home, first time I watched the football game. They played FIFA. One is Man United fan and another Arsenal fan. So they decided to give LFC to me to play the game. Since then I like LFC. When I was in hostel in 2005 and I read a Sportstar magazine about LFC winning UCL. It just brings little smile on me. In 2007-08, first time I started the whole season in which we finished second. Meanwhile from 2002-07, saw the only match which is LFC vs Newcastle where Owen will miss penalty. Now Iam Liverpool fan through and through.
Coming to point, most of them other than scousers support LFC as they are winning team in 80's and UCL 2005. But if they are gloryhunters they would have switched the sides. They ask some patience from our fans when most of them critisizing board to buy some x for YYY when it is impossible or wanted some mega-rich owners. Tere is nothing wrong in there.

P. S feel sorry for ed 001 and scousers I was deeply touched when you told about the incident.
ynwa

10 Apr 2013 16:50:12
Hey everyone, I'd just like to say that everyone is entitled to there own opinions on Brendan Rodgers, FSG, the players and the performances on the pitch, we don't all have to agree with each other! we all hate it when we lose or draw, but the one thing we do agree on is that we all support Liverpool fc till we die! let's remember that! I myself hate that the supporters are divided about Rodgers and have become impatient about every little thing! Everybody needs time to sort out what they believe is the best way forward for the club! Our club was in a mess but slowly and surely I believe we will sort it out and become a force once again! also I don't want Rafa Benitez back because he had his chance and it didn't work out! Plus let's be proud of our history but let's stop living in the past and look towards the future! Just because we are Liverpool fc doesn't give us the right to be at the top challenging, we need to earn the right to challenge the top teams! Every top team is getting better every season! So its down to Rodgers to slowly shape the team he wants and believes will get us back challenging and hopefully in the summer he will add the quality we need to take us to that next level to push on and up the league! Keep the faith Liverpool fans

Ack17
JFT96
YNWA

Sorry but how did winning the champions league and getting us ranked number 1 in europe mean that rafa's spell didn't work out {Ed001's Note - because he only had one aim in his time with us, to win the Premier League, that was why Rafa was hired. In case you hadn't noticed, we didn't do that, so Rafa's spell never worked out.}

Maybe not five or six years that would depend how well he does pre season but these owners no what it takes to bring us to success they are probably scared over the money Kenny used to finish 8th they are making sure Rogers be's more careful may take a season longer but it is the right way to do it!

10 Apr 2013 16:47:15
LFC managerial history and time spent being manager, starting from our greatest manager:

Bill Shankly - 15 yrs
Bob Paisley - 10 yrs
Joe Fagan - 2yrs
Kenny Dalglish - 6 yrs
Graeme Souness - 3 yrs
Roy Evans - 5 yrs
G�rard Houllier - 6 yrs
Rafael Ben�tez - 6 yrs
Roy Hodgson - 1/2 a year
Kenny Dalglish - 1 year
Brendan Rodgers - 1 year currently

Our owners have learnt by re-appointing Dalglish that whilst it may be a good short-term decision, it is never a long term solution to go back to previous managers. That's why Rafa should stop undermining Rodgers by hinting he wants to be close to Liverpool again, otherwise he could ruin the good reputation and history he currently holds.

The past 3 years should never be repeated again, it is a blot on our great history for appointing long-term successful managers. Changing our manager constantly is way more damaging than losing a couple of games. I would love to see Brendan given 5 to 6 years minimum personally, stability in managers is vital for future success. RC

We should never go back to Rafa Benitez, Instanbul could never be repeated and Benitez only came close to winning the league once in six full seasons.

I would not want to go back through those early years again without an Istanbul and little hope pf winning the league.

They say 'you should never go back and our experience with King Kenny just enforces that.

We as fans supported Benitez a great deal and some even marched in the streets for him on a number of occasions. We can thank Rafa Benitez for some wonderful memories, but by no means do we owe him a second chance.

We must move on with our present manager and to be fair if Brendan Rodgers fails, we should turn to a new manager altogether.

To go back would be a big mistake, and a painstaking one.

U can't just give rodgers 6 years because you feel like it. you have to earn that time like the other managers did by winning someting. rafa stayed for 6 years because we were fantastic not because we just wanted to give him time. what has rodgers done to by him time? manage a mid table prem team for 1 season, may as well appoint ian holloway or any other mid table manager

08 Apr 2013 21:01:08
We hear a lot of people mentioning that we do not have a "plan B"
My question to you is.
If you could buy one player to use as your "plan B" who would it be and what difference would they make to the team that Suarez for example can not?

For me it would have to be a player like Benteke. Not only is he is a fantastic finisher, but he can also hold the ball up and make key passes bringing others into the attack too.

I would love to hear your thoughts and also the thoughts of Ed001 and Ed052 in particular. {Ed052's Note - I don't think we need a plan B and would waste money trying to develop one. But, to answer your question, I would say a really strong, physical, no nonsense CB, and who only hoofs it. Would be great for games, e.g. vs Stoke, or when we were under the cosh. I cannot think of anyone who would suit - Shawcross maybe, or Huth a few years back. Actually - Danny Shittu!!}

10 Apr 2013 18:58:53
We need to stop screwing around with all this plan B rubbish and make our plan A better!

The term plan B is an awful term by the media to do a lazy analysis of a game when a team doesn't win. Like when Barcelona don't win (about 1% of the time), all of a sudden people say 'oh they need a plan B they didn't win', its ridiculous.

If teams play the pass and move, ball possession system we do, then pundits and papers convince supporters that this system requires 'a plan B' when it doesn't work. It is because most pundits aren't intelligent enough to answers questions about the system and way we play. As much as I can't stand him, G. Neville has never said how we need a plan B, because he knows what he's talking about.

History has proved our system works fine and smart coaches realise this, I don't remember the Ajax team of the 90's having plan B's. When Rodger's was appointed, part of his remit was most likely to prove he can play an attractive style of football before anything else, and win games this way. That is why we work on our best system and not mess about with back up systems, he doesn't have the luxury for that.

'Plan B is on loan at West Ham' I hear a lot, which until we sort out that situation, we'll sadly have to read and hear about the plan B nonsense for a long time to come. I hope supporters become educated enough to realise its all rubbish, we play very good football which sometimes doesn't come off, simple. RC

07 Apr 2013 20:52:54
hi eds I was wondering how you view our present form. I personally believe we have not played great in our last 5 games (iconcede we beat wigan 4-0 but we were not geat). Is it agood sign that we have taken 10points out of 15 not playing great or is it more worrying. also could it be that we are a relatively young team and dips in form are inevitable. ps couthino looks absolute class player. what's your spin on it eds. {Ed052's Note - Its good when you play poorly and win, Utd have done it all year, and look where they are!! Coutinho has looked great, and the physical aspects haven't looked too much for him - yet anyway. They might after a long season}

Sterling started like a train and because he was used too much early on he faded badly. I hope we don't make the same mistake with coutino and burn him out early, remember he is only young and this season is over for us, so I think we should start to think about playing him more sparingly
fforestfach red

06 Apr 2013 19:45:39
Hi eds do you expect any of our youth team playing for the first team next season? If so who? {Ed052's Note - Ibe, Rossiter, McLuaghlin (sp)}

Rossiter? I really like the lad but I think he's too young. would hate to see his progress stifled because of not playing enough or have the vegetables on his back for a poor performance.

Red Rout

Don't Forget Texeira Ed. {Ed049's Note - true that}

10 Apr 2013 16:06:36
Will be some crack next season if Rogers does well and gets champions league and a cup let's say a lot of people will be eating there words! A quick center half who can play out from the back would have made a serious difference pretty sure Rogers will address everything he needs to thanks

10 Apr 2013 15:59:24
Hello Eds! Hearing next season will be make or break with Rodgers we must get in the top 4! Targets have already been contacted and the club has started talks with the following.

Bruno Martins LB
Dede CB
Alderweireld CB
Ince LM
Depay LM
Begovic GK
Ben Arfa AM
Remy CF
Alonso DM

The following players have been told to leave.

Coates
Assiadi
Jones
Spearing
Shelvey
Borini
Carroll - Part of the Ben Arfa deal
Reina
Skertel
Downing

Rodgers will have a plan B next season which will be 3 up front if we can't break teams down after 60 mins Sturridge-Remy-Surez.

Cheers LFC-Lad.

Those outs are true but I know for fact that there won't be anything like that amount of ins. We want to buy top quality and not numbers. We will then give the kids a chance which is definitely the way forward.

Neither the ins or the outs are true

10 Apr 2013 15:51:01
Ah Dave Whelan the voice nobody wants to hear yet never shuts up, he's like a has been celebrity that constantly pops up of thirty seconds of lime light.

always a red

10 Apr 2013 15:02:09
'We murdered them 0-0'' That's what Shanks would have said on Sunday. Season can't end quick enough for me, apart from a great season from Suarez and watching some nice football from the likes of Coutinho, everything else has been a major let down.

I feel we have seriously improved our team from last year! The kids have really helped.

The breakthrough of Sterling, Suso and Wisdom along with the improvements of Henderson, Gerrard and Suarez?
derryred

10 Apr 2013 17:19:48
i think introduction of young players has been a big plus and attractive football style has been good, next season we have to add a bit of steel in midfield and aerial ability at the back and up front for set pieces (we don't contest corners anymore], the next window is crucial to development of squad and most signings will have to work out, I for one think a year out of europa cup could be blessing, crucial season for rodgers and for players. time for them to step up to the mark and prove they have the ambition and mentality to challenge at the top level to make cl. another season of finishing 6th or 7th would be very damaging for the club, looking forward to new season. dave t

10 Apr 2013 14:42:00
Ed its a shame you don't have the ability to block people on here so you can't read there comments, How i'd love to be able to block Harry Scouser for constantly critisizing posters and posting in-accurate crap thinking he knows what he's talking about.

Why he doesn't support BR I don't know, i'm a BR fan but will admitt he does things that annoys/confusses me but I still support him so should harry, At the end of the day like it or not he's the manager DEAL WITH IT!!!!

I kind of want to hug you for this.

10 Apr 2013 16:19:13
Bro.
First I am sorry if my post have hurt you personally.
I am no a negative characteor. Everyday mng. when I get up. I do meditation.
I am an optimistic person. But I also am aware of the other side of the coin.
let me be frank. I am not a BR fan. I hope I can have a different opinion.
I have never criticized players who actually plays good.
gerrard is a living genius for me.
suarez, countinho, carra agger, reina. lucas.
you will not find a single negative comments about these players.

But I like to be real. and open. so do I say things which looks real to me.

I am not very old. so did I never saw Liverpool actual dominance.
all I heard from the day I started following Liverpool was "18 years. ". 18 years".
I have seen UTD, CITY, Arsenal and even chelsea lifting the title.
Being a young scouser. , I do feel bad. and and every time I make up my mind.
The only I want to see is Liverpool being dominant again. fighting for titles again, reputation and fans everywhere. star players in our club.

But some of the decisions. signings have been so shocking are the sole responsible reason Liverpool now.

with regards
harry scousser

You can't moan at that reply from Harry. Sounds to me he's just another unhappy Liverpool fan who loves the club voicing his opinions to other LFC fans on what he thinks is going wrong. After all this is what this great site is all about isn't it?
DBol

And do you Harry think Kenny's signing where less shocking? I think Allen was impressive until lucas got injured so just relax realise it takes time one more season with another manager won't help Rogers will have some faith!

10 Apr 2013 19:27:04
I know I must be patient. And throughout these years, I have been, Never ever thought to change my shirt for any player. any club.
I know when deco, ballack, shevchenko. all joined cheslea. a team of superstar.
I still had my red Liverpool shirt. high.

There was when everyone wished we have an owner who could actually spend 30 mill in a window. without sales.
Then came FSG, I was so happy,
But look at now. don't you think we wasted a lot of money.
Nothing will change if you disliked my opinion or block me.
I will always race my voice against stupidity happening in our club, the way I support when my club plays.

I still believe, Even If I am wrong, we should have been in a much better position If we could have bought some good players with the money pumped by FSG

We fans should also remember, this club, this business is a life on the line for some people (owners)
we are running in Loss.
and we don't have any room for errors.

10 Apr 2013 14:31:24
Hello ed's and fans quick question if rafa never got sacked do you think he would have won the league by now simply because spurs and city weren't as strong than as they are now thanks {Ed019's Note - Personally I don't - but you never can tell. I don't think Torres would have left though, I don't think we'd have got Suarez}

10 Apr 2013 15:58:52
When rafa left we still had a world class team only Alonso was missing, the biggest mistake was to appoint hodgson instead of top manager who could convince players to stay and add 1-2 players to continue hunt for league title, players were not happy about hodgson and one by one started leaving and our team started breaking,

A lot of fans blame rafa but forget that he left a very healthy team that dominated europe only Alonso was missing and we had just a blip of one season, everything went wrong for us when we appointed Hodgson coz. The players who left were replaced by garbage instead of like to like player.

10 Apr 2013 16:36:22
Rafa is a legend and always will be, fans and some eds forget that when he came to Liverpool we had already lost our pride and respect and had only two credible players owen and Gerrard, both of them wanted to leave Gerrard to chelsea, owen to madrid, that's how bad our situation was, but he convinced Gerrard to stay and owent left for madrid for something like 12-15M, he reinvested ownens money by buying 6M Garcia and 7. 5M alonso, and went on to win champions league and changed the club atmosphere from their he never saw back and all of a sudden we were top dogs and the most scared team in europe beating the likes of barca, madrid, inter etc with huge margines or should I say mudered them.

In his 6 years era we always finished 3rd in league above Arsenal or 2nd and always played semi final or finals in champions league only 1 year was bad from his 6 years at the club.

He Generated transfer fees for himself by always playing semi finals or finals in champions league insted of the worst owners in history of Liverpool giving money.

He brought back pride and respect to Liverpool fc, its city and its fans.

He made fans believe that Liverpool again can fight for top honours,

He gave some of the best moments to younger Liverpool fans which they will never forget in their life time.

He setup our academy which is the best in england.

I can go on and on, oh these all things were achieved under hicks and gillet I repeat under hicks and Gillet,

But today fans call rafa sh*t and disrespect a man who really fought hard to this great club, he even didn't care about his career when fighting for Liverpool, SHAME ON YOU! {Ed001's Note - this post is so riddled with mistakes it is hard to know where to begin. Start with the squad only having Gerrard and Owen, what about Henchoz, Dudek, Finnan, Hyypia, Riise, Hamann and Carragher? All of those were there when Rafa arrived, Hamann actually made more appearances than Xabi that season. Oh and then there is Xabi's price, which was 10.5m, quite a bit more than the 7.5m you plucked out of your imagination. Did you conveniently forget the money wasted on Scott Carson, Josemi, Pellegrino (free but high wages), Nunez and Morientes? Then you seemed to have forgotten we finished 5th in his first year, so it was actually 2 years we finished below 2nd or 3rd. He consistently lost the club money on transfers, because, like all people completely clueless about the game, you have forgotten that you have to pay up percentage of remaining contracts when you sell a player, plus agent fees etc, which amounted to a massive amount with the huge turnover of players Rafa insisted on each year. Brought back pride and respect? Liverpool never lost any of those, nor the belief that the club could fight for top honours, after all Ged, for all his failings, had also managed to win trophies and finish 2nd in the league. His legacy was the youth academy, but only because he brought in the people responsible for Barca's academy and left them alone to build ours. Your post is just a childish wet dream with no basis in reality at all.}

I no its was the owners fault but what made me dislike rafa was this crazy rotation system the cost us so many matches and his strange reason to get rid of alonso for Barry simply to mistakes that will haunt him for ever cheers

Don't forget arbelo as well.

I doubt it I think that benitez had ruined what he had built. He definitely didn't leave a quality team.
derryred

10 Apr 2013 13:46:50
Liverpool fc eyeing Samba and Remy.

Brad

Otherwise known as Mr. £100k and Mr. £80k! If you want players to play for the badge and fight hard for the club, I would suggest you look elsewhere.

HB

No we are not.

The real AG

How has this not ended up in the Dodgy Rumours sections complete tripe!

10 Apr 2013 13:45:00
Really think Rafa was talking about going back to live, not to manage. The press will jump on any ambiguity to try and make a headline.
Anway if it ends up a chelsea-Millwall final I guess that will be Millwall in Europe?

Milwall or Wigan will be playing in the Europa League next year

10 Apr 2013 13:31:03
If Coates lack of pace is such an issue how was it not picked up in the scouting report?
Seriously, we all thought we had done a good bit of buisness getting the lad, surely pace must be one of the main attributes reported on when scouting?
Doesnt fill me with confidence if the same scouts are looking at someone to replace him.

All Coates needs is a run of games and he would show people how good he can be, you don't get young player of the tournament which Uruguay won without impressing people

10 Apr 2013 14:40:23
We have different scouts and scouting system in place since november 2012!

Malak

Well its not the same scouts though is it? these guys were brought in after dalglish and came from city so they're new someone correct me if i'm wrong but i'm sure we have new scouts since then.

AndyKopLiverpool

A) it's not the same scouts, we have replaced most of our scouting team. B) when he was signed, we played a completely different style and formation whereby pace in the CB's was not as important. C) Our coaching and training facilities are significantly more advanced then he was using when we signed him, so we probably hoped to improve many aspects of the game he had when he signed. He might never have been Speedy Gonzalez, but he could still improve his speed

Comolli scouted him, who as you may be aware isn't at the club any more

Lucky for us its not the same scouts lol

Well there are many a good center back not quick, even agger, carragger and skrtel aren't gifted with it. I think that when coates improves his reading of the game that he will be alright.
derryred

10 Apr 2013 13:30:22
Is there any Liverpool fan remaining who doesn't think Dave Whelan is an absolute tosser? Honestly, I hope Wigan get relegated because of him. {Ed019's Note - He's a massive attention seeker}

What has said now?

The real AG {Ed019's Note - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/09/dave-whelan-baroness-thatcher }

I think the term 'media whore' has to apply. Essentially, he is what Paris Hilton would be if Paris Hilton was a fairly unattractive bloke

10000 semi tickets unsold - small club with a small chairman - and going down

Agreed his stance on mcmanamans tackle on haidara made me feel that way but now is the final straw I hope they go down along with reading and stoke

Whelan is a stubborn old man who is as pompous as he is a media whore, but I don't want Wigan to relegated because of it. Martinez is working with next to no budget and somehow Wigan survive against teams much larger than themselves, I think it'd be a shame to see them go down - After all, his personic statements and rants aren't instigated by his players. In a game now where money is everything I think it's good to see little teams staying up in the top flight. I'm in complete agreement that he's an a*sehole, but I don't think it's ample reason to want the entire team to get relegated just for his misery.

JFT 96

JP

Also, (I'm making a guess here that these comments are on the back of Whelan wanting a silence in memory of MT) I think it's worth noting this is WIGAN we're talking about, a town I know well that was severely affected by Thatcher's time as PM due to the devastating closure of mines that were hugely important to the community. I know a lot of people from Wigan who can't stand Thatcher - Wishing they'd get relegated on the back of a comment that Whelan made is even more horrible to the Wigan fans, many of which are still feeling the effects of the Iron Lady's reign. Whelan is a fool, but I'm sure if you spoke to any Wigan fan they'd say it was silly too. They have my support to stay up.

JFT 96

JP

Yeah, to be fair JT you're right, especially about the fans, I have no great desire to see them unhappy. Whelan's shown how out of touch with them he is by saying is that he can't see any reason why people wouldn't want a minute's silence for Thatcher!

10 Apr 2013 13:21:15
Man! there are some short memories on here!
Why all the nit picking of Rafa?, this is a man that not only won us trophies and nearly TWO champions leagues but attends and dontates to the commemoration of the 96 every year and absolutely loves the club like no other,
Yes he made mistakes but hasn't ferguson made mistakes?. Veron anyone?. We were challenging the top sides all the time under Rafa and were a force to be reckoned with against anyone, Do people forget the absolute nonsense he had to put up with when H+G were at the helm?. It must have been ridiculous trying to point out we needed top stars to push on to then be told we were in meltdown,
Now i'm not saying we should have him back, I was one of the supporters that grew tired of various things like a lot of players played way out of position etc etc but come on!, the man loves the club as we do and he might just feel he has unfinished business when it comes to LFC
Whether he comes back or not he has the right to dream and whether he comes back or not he has the right to have our respect for some glorious European nights and a Champions league final like no other to be seen again, We afford Sir Bob and the great Shankley respect for winning things for the club i'm saying he deserves the same instead of all the childish nonsense spouted about him on here,
I for one miss the Rafa, Jose, Fergie, Arsene, banter at weekends it was much more entertaining! i'm all for Kwality!. i'd take the post match scenarios then much more than the bare faced lies we get now not to mention the 'outstanding' comments we get after draws with the likes of West Ham when we can all see we were average at best.
Just give the man a break, he deserves no less

Rafa YNWA JFT96

Nearly winning us two champions leagues isn't actually winning two is it? No one remembers the losers, they only remember the winners! Fact

Ack17

Most successful Liverpool manager in the last 20 years

I think very few people on here, if anyone, dislike Rafa or feel that he does not deserve respect or thanks for what he did for us. Many of us are just keep to point out that his reign was blighted by difficulties, many of which he caused, and for that we don't think he is a good option for us moving forward were a post to become avaliable

Why have the Rabbid crowd turned on the King?

He's less popular on here by the day!

Samsam9000 your not entirely correct. h+g and the board were the downfall off rafa, s reign, rafa fell out with h+g over transfer money back stabbing and other going ons in the back ground. Fans were hopeful with Benítez's long-term future sorted Liverpool could push on to the next level in the 2009–2010 season and win their first League title in 20 years. Yet the season that followed resulted in Liverpool finishing in 7th position and Benítez's contract being terminated by mutual consent. so if we end up in the same posistion with rogers does that mean we haven't improved and this will result in rogers being sacked as not good enough for lfc.

I really hope you're not referring to Rafa as the king.
derryred

No there's only one king and it sure ain't RAFA

Kenny if you read the posts of late is roundly slagged off

Samsam9000: Reply is the most honest and forthright evaluation of Rafa's reign, I think I've ever read.
And in so few words.

I have huge respect for what Rafa did for LFC, but how can he fall out with anyone over transfer funds? The man spent the GDP of a small nation on transfers: Mascherano, Torres, Keane, Aquillani to name a few.

Thank you kidmillions, I appreciate that

10 Apr 2013 13:21:00
Hi eds, is there any thruth that we are going to try for Iker Casillias? Since he is available. And what about Henrikh Mkhitaryan and Christian Eriksen and Xabi Alonso? And is there any truth about Liverpool trying to get Stefan Kiessling?

Thanks, keep up the good work (: {Ed019's Note - No Casillas. Alonso won't happen imo. No Keissling. The other2 are possible if we are willing to cough up the cash}

Casillas is available? Like actually, or just he's not 100% happy at Real?

Cassillas will only leave Madrid if Mourinho stays.

10 Apr 2013 13:18:26
Hi Eds, If Skrtel and Coates moves on, in addition to Carragher retiring, do you think that Rodgers is looking into buying three CB or will he give a chance to Kelly, Coady or Wisdom and buy one CB. Do you think that Rodgers will definitely by a new CB this summer? If so, do you know of any likely targets? {Ed019's Note - If Skrtel and Coates leave I'd expect him to buy 2 Centre-backs and move Kelly into Centre-back}

Alderwield plus a player like gustavo or wanyama who would cover us in a number if areas. CB: wisdom Kelly agger alderwield wanyama or even sama

10 Apr 2013 13:15:00
Who here think Rogers deserves another season or should be sacked please explain why and add who you would replace him with his fully support Rogers think he has done well considering its his first season but if someone else was to take charge for me it has to be Sami hyppia!

He can not achieve anything in 1 season so i'd give another full season. if he finishes even further up the league then leave him to it and carry on improving. if we finish lower than we this season then it is not progress.

Last year we got KD as manager, who changed the style back to 442 and pass and move. This from whatever Woys tactics were. Then we get BR as manager, with a new style of tikki-takka, Carroll does not fit in, hendo neither, Downing not sure for a while and switched to left back, then back to right midfield, Skirtle does not fit either anymore, we need Joe Allen, Borini and a new striker. Next season we should change manager again, let's say its Raffa, all change again. He wants to play more defensive in midfield, we need to get rid of Joe Allen, let's scrap ticky-tackka and 4-3-3, switch to 451 which Raffa likes, we need a fast striker because Suarez can't play up front alone. Throw more money at the club then. Raffa gets one season and then everyone calling for his head, let's change manager again, change several players so the team plays the way the next manager wants. let's go on and on like this. The club will be going nowhere fast and getting more in debt.

We need to give Rodgers 5 years at least, we need to get behind him, be patient and let him build up slowly and surely. We don't have a choice as I see it.

BR is an inexperienced manager and should never have been given the team. But Sami Hypia, a man who has never been in charge of a club (he is co manager at Leverkusen, not manager) is considered a good shout? in what world?

If we had mega rich owners and could afford to invest 150m in summer transfers I'd say sack him and go for Laudrup, because he simply hasn't done as well as the squad quality merits. We haven't got a squad like Barca, but we have got a better squad than Everton.

Under Moyes' management Everton, with a thinner and poorer squad, have been above us all season, as were WBA for a long time.

His transfer record is equally patchy. No manager is 100% successful with transfers, but BR has a pretty low success rate in terms of the percentage of his buys that have performed really well, and in terms of money spent vs league position achieved.

What he really needed to build a top four side was not Allen for example (who is a very good player), but rather a player of Allen's type, but even better.

Also, Borini has been rather injury prone in his career to date, which should have been a warning.
The combined fees of those two players could have bought one player who could really help take LFC to the next level, such as Eriksen.

He made a disastrously bad start to the season, and out attack was pretty but ultimately toothless with Sterling and Downing playing on the wings.
The lack of goals and poor results until December cost us dearly, so you have to say that Ian Ayre also let the club down by not doing whatever was necessary to make sure another forward was signed last summer.

Pi**ing about trying to get Sturridge on loan- instead of just buying him- was not a sensible thing to do when there were only days left before the window closed.

I believe that refusal to spend 12m last summer actually cost us a European place next season, because although I think Sterling and Downing have talent, they just don't have enough goals in them, and an extra few goals from Sturridge in the first half of the season would have made all the difference to our points total this season.

BR has them playing great stuff a lot of the time and we should be grateful for that, but I don't think he has the character of a great manager, and I don't think we'll win the league with him because although he may end up buying better players, he's not a good man-manager.

The one thing above all else that put me off him was that nonsense with the the players' names in sealed envelopes, that he thought were going to let the team down during the coming season.

As a motivational technique or a man-management tactic, it is among the worst things I've ever seen anyone do, and for me it betrays a side to his mentality that is a bit sinister, but that is also stupid enough to think that that approach would help the team in some way.

I think he has learned his lesson in terms of the player quality that is needed to build a top four squad, and he now talks of buying based on quality, rather than just adding squad members as he did with Assaidi and Borini.

He is also learning that being too dogmatic about playing style is also a bad idea, and trying to play out from the back cost us at least three games in early part of the season.

I think he has learned a lot from his mistakes this season, and I think he stands a good chance of top four next season, if he can bring in a top quality winger, some CBs and a midfielder.
But without the transfer budget of a Chelsea or a City, he doesn't have enough nous or wisdom to make up for the deficiency in funds and actually win the league, as a Moyes or a Mourinho might be able to do in a similar position.

Good posts I fully agree we need to support the young ambitious manager we have he is young hungry and I support him first half of the season let us down but also Rogers had to make a example of downing Henderson and co it was never going to be easy so relax support Rogers I believe he can do it cheers

Interesting the mention of Laudrup, I would not be surprised if he replaces Morinho at Real with Jose going to Chelsea. {Ed002's Note - Swansea are particularly concerned that might happen and want to amend his contract to add a detering £xM clause.}

10 Apr 2013 19:21:21
In all honesty, our squad is not good enough to make top four and I don't think we are better than any of the teams above us. So to finish above these teams would be extremely difficult.

Its true we had the money to improve our squad but did not use it wisely. Yet, we cannot be so sure that these aren't good signings as its still too early to judge. Besides, the players we signed were simply to replace those who left, not necessarily adding to squad debt.

Our biggest problems this season have been that we lack options on the bench who can make any difference. The only time we have had the option to play with 3 strikers was the game against United away.

But again Rodgers is ever adapting to changes and wants to succeed with us. But our squad is simply not big enough to make top 4. Remember Enrique playing WF, Downing at LB and sometimes playing with no striker at all. So, even if we were to have a Mourinho as Manager, he would still need to support the group with better quality.

Again, we must not forget that we lost about 6 players from last season - Adam, Kuyt, Carrol, Bellamy, Maxi and Spearing but only signed Allen, Borini, Sahin, Sturidge, Assaidi, Coutinho and Yesil. Of all these, Sturidge and Coutinho only joined us last January, while Sahin has since left, Assaidi never featured, Yesil playing for the Reserves and Borini injured all season. Even Allen is injured as well. Lucas wasn't also available at start of the season. These are all constraints.

Even at end of last season, we were all crying for strikers. So to now lose Carrol and Kuyt and Borini who has been injured since he came in, you can imagine what effect that has had on the team. Yet we are still 7th on the table. And since the turn of this year, we have been of top 4 standard.

So, on the basis of having to work with what is availablen, I think BR has been excellent. But in terms of recruitment, the choices have been poor for now in the short term as a result of injuries.

So, assuming we are able to recruit better players this summer who have pace, ability and strength and they stay injury free, then I see us heading for the top with our style of play. But its the recruitment aspect that still frightens me. Many clubs are after our targets and we simply cannot engage in a bidding war. Even we cannot offer CL and we lack the funds to push for a dramatic turn around.

Some of us criticize to vent our frustrations. But that doesn't mean the reality of our situation is lost on us. We are in a difficult moment now is all I can say. We can only hope that tomorrow will bring us a better fortune. We have nothing else hope for as it stands.

10 Apr 2013 13:11:42
Afternoon eds do u think rafa has put the owners on alert saying he love to manage Liverpool again let's face it he is a winner has the experience maybe it would be a good move, personally speaking I don't want him back because I like what buck is doing but maybe the owners have other ideas but like all LFC fans if its rafa or whoever we will back them 100percent JON96

No they gave the job to br over rafa to begin with and I expect thrm to see it through unless we dnt improve in the leavue ehich we are, slowly

10 Apr 2013 16:41:16
What a half wit! Support Brendan then? God damn it! Benitez is never coming back and I am happy he never will! Enough going backwards for heavens sake! Ed002 I finally understand what you mean Liverpool fans are clueless! My god! Best fans in the world my arse! You should not be called supporters! But gloryhunters! You should never say you support Liverpool! You should say I gloryhunt Liverpool: @ supporter means patience win, draw or lose not wanting the waiter back!
What? Wasn't 24 hours from administration enough? He was the reason! Signing over 65 squad players in 5 years with all of them on ludacris wages!

I will stop using the site for a couple of weeks! Am getting depressed with all the clueless people wanting the guy who almost made us play sunday league football back! All the fickelness and all the negativity: @ I am sad to call some of you fellow reds! And I am 43, been through all emotions with this club from paisley end time till now but never in my life seen or heard such wining specially when the football has been good! I beg you eds post this. and may god be with you having to handle this rubbish day in, day out! Peace

Malak

Malak, forget them man. The LFC site is the busiest and clearly a largish amount of us are very negative. But, I have certainly enjoyed your posts and would love if you were involved.

After all, is the positive guys quite, the negative side wins.

The real AG

Tell you what Malak aka liverbird tinted specs, where were you last season when Dalglish could have done with you and a few like you having all this super positivity? Or have you conveniently just discovered this site?

I fell like poking my own eyes out with a rusty butter knife everytime I read In Brendan we trust, comparisons with Shankly or Sir Bob, if six teams above us lose and we win our next 6 games 17-3 we will still make the top 4, Joe allen is playing badly because he has just become a father, someone saying they feel the pies are crap at Anfield and then being told they are not true Reds and should go and support City etc etc. even when I read these posts and my blood boils, I hit the disagree button and in general move on because in a democracy people are entitled to there opinion.

So while your away from this site for a few weeks think what a boring world it would be if we all saw the world through Liverpool's number one fan Malak's eyes!

Waro

Totally agree waro

Thedarkknight

Ask me in October 2012 - sack sack sack
Ask me in December 2012- sack sack
Ask me now - give him more time.

I honestly think he's turning it around from a pathetic start. Let's not forget the circumstances of that pathetic start.
1) New manager, takes over half way through summer, suboptimal preparation. New coaches, new systems etc.
2) Euro 2012 taking place at the time = some players didn't meet manager straight away, needed longer to rest, started pre-season late and had to endure Hodgson-tactics.
3) club had finished 2011/12 season in horrible form. One of the worst half seasons in living memory in premier league = lack of confidence.
4) new players brought in, some players ruthlessly sold without being given a chance. Followed by the Sigurdson/Dempsey/Carroll debacle = lack of confidence.

Is it any wonder we struggled before Christmas? I'm actually impressed we've turned it around so much.
Now Rodgers can plan for next season with more awareness of the squad's deficiencies. He will have all his players rested, ready for a full pre-season.
Confidence is building. Awareness of the system and training methods is growing. The younger players are maturing.

And some want to go back to the "ground zero" scenario we had last summer by sacking Rodgers?
It would not be the right time to do that, let's give him a chance with a full pre-season with all his players rested.

Serge N'Gian

10 Apr 2013 13:11:32
I feel a big transfer window coming on. let's bring on longggg drawn out negotiations, to end up with no player or a whole window of chasing one player for southhapton to sign them for 4.5 mil can't wait. This time next year we will be even further behind.

10 Apr 2013 13:08:19
I did a defender summary yesterday, and although it brought mixed responses, it was nice to see a genuine debate on players abilities, rather than demands to sell them.

I thought today I'd do one on the midfielders in the squad. I'll base each summary on these 6 criteria. Passing, defensive work, attacking threat, goalscoring ability, work rate, tempo and power

-Gerrard has a great passing range and is only off the pace in regards to short one twos (mainly due to mobility). He also does some great defensive work for the team. With regards to an attacking threat, he is still something of a set piece specialist, and offers a lot of assists. Goals have slowly crept back into his game recently, although mainly from the spot. But they all count! His effort is great, and he often leads by example. I personally feel he has atendancy to try harder in the big games. He is still one of our most powerful midfielders (which is probably a bad thing considering he's nearly 33!). I still think he's strugglnig to set the tempo in a game, as its never been his style, but he has made the deep lying playmaker role his own I suppose (adding that bit of 'action').

-Lucas is only really good at passes out from the back, or switching the play (as shown by his assist tally). Defensively, he is only good against players who rely on technical ability. He struggles against power house attacking midfielders like Fellani and Dembele. He offers virtually nothing in attack and goals wise, but that's not his job. His effort is second only to Hendersons! He never let's his man go free, and chases down lose balls he has no right to claim. He is very good at setting the empo of the game, but he really lacks in the physical department. He's neither tall nor short, slow nor fast, weak now strong. He lacks that physical edge for me. If he could add to his attacking game, he could move into Gerrards role in a couple of years, and have somebody do the defensive leg work for him.

-Henderson has been much improved. His passing game has improved all over, and he's never been one to shy away from a tackle anyway. His tracking back is second to none in the league. He has started to offer more going forward claiming the odd assist and linknig up well. Most importantly, he is adding goals to his game! I cannot fault his work rate. He is learning more and more on how to dictate a midfield as well, although I don't see him being happy with sitting deep and setting the tempo. He shows every week he can be a powerful member of the team too.

-Allens passing draws mixed opinions. Ask anyone whos played football and they'll say, a go to guy like him who keeps possession is brilliant to play with. However I feel his passing has become one dimensional. He is young though, and looks scared to make a mistake too often. Defensively he makes a lot of interceptions, but isn't solid enough in the tackle or in the air. He needs to work on every aspect of his game in the final third. A header against Zenit, and deflected volley vs Oldham has not got him off the goalscoring hook just yet. He is however excellent at setting the tempo, and although he's not a powerful player, he's very quick over 10-20 yards.

-Shelvey is unique. I'm sure you've all been waiting for this one! His passing is of a range similar to Gerrards. However, he is far more sloppy. I personally think he tries too hard. Defensively, he is solid, but sees red too often. He has got great vision though, and he can produce some powerful (albeit slow) runs. Goals didn't seem an issue earlier in the season when only Suarez could outscore him, however he has started rushing chances, and lashing his shots too much. He puts in a lot of effort, until his head goes down. One thing you will never see him do for at least a decade, is set the tempo. He is too 'all action' for that. He lacks pace, but is very tall and powerful. I think he needs a loan move to calm down a bit, and set his head straight.

-Coady is a leader. He can pass it capably, although he doesn't have the ability to switch the play. Defensively he is excellent. and is just as good in centre back as midfield! Atack wise he can produce powerful runs and the odd through ball, but lacks a bit of flair. A deepers role suits him better, although he can hit the odd belter and is great from the spot. Effort wise, let's just say he's captained at youth level for a reason. In terms of beeing a dictator, I don't really see it. He will either drop deep to play a bit like Didi Hammann used to (clearing up defensive messes) or he will push forward if he can work on his close control. He is a very powerful player who is surprisingly quick as well.

-Suso is jus tastonishing. He hasn't had a chance in the centre yet, but his passing is unbelievable. Long, short, fast interchanges, simple, accuarate. I suppose a good summary of his passing is 'Spanish'. Defensively he is actually very good at pressing players into mistakes although he isn't a brutal tackler, and wins possession back in more classy ways, nicking the ball away after loose balls or heavy touches. Attack wise he has the flair to be much like iniesta. He can dribble very well, has skills in his locker none of our current first team players have, and can create something from nothing. He hasn't scored yet for the first team, but at youth level, he has proved to be a delicate finisher, great from distance, and good from set pieces. Effort wise, he is very sound. Like all Spaniards, he'll set the 'tiki-taka' tempo of the game very easily. He is not powerful in any way, although he is quick off the mark. His technical ability more than compenstates for his small stature.

-Texeira, Rossiter, Roddan, Trickett-Smith, Baio, Pelosi and Nacho. Texeia is a very attacking midfielder often compared to Deco. He won't get stuck in but he will make things happen. Rossiter has been likened to Steven Gerrard and is apparently the best talent in the whol accademy, which speaks volumes. Roaddan is quite simply a work horse, but I don't see him making it at our level. Trickett-Smith is a very different player. He runs all day, but is a bit of a jack of all trades. His only stand out ability, would be his link up play with the forwards. Baio is a very powerful defensive midfielder. Imagine a Viera-Makelele hybrid and that's your man. Pelosi has recently suffered a horror injury, which is a real shame, as he is a very good prospect. Hopefully he'll come back unfazed, He's been likened to Gareth Barry, and if you think back to Barry in his Villa days, that's quite a compliment. A bit of a dynamo. Nacho is very similar to Suso, although not quite on his level in my opinion.

-As an added bonus, I would like to comment on Stephen Sama, who I missed off yesterday, as he is a solid defedner, who is great in the air and the tackle, but often found wanting position wise. Could be a good back up centre half for us.

I'm sorry for the astronomical length, but there is quite a few midfielders in our team. I've probably missed one, and I'm sure someone will say! I think this shows how much potential we have in this position, as only Gerrard is in his 30's on this list. It aslo shows our lack of power combined with class in the middle. Baio could offer that one day, but to rely on an 18 year old would be risky. I'd like to see a Diame like player brought in. Lucas will nail your Matas, Cazorlas and Silvas all day long. But when Dembele comes knocking, he's futile to stop him. We need a powerhouse to deputise for Lucas in those gritty games like West Ham and Stoke. In terms of a play maker, yes Eriksen would be a dream. but Texeira and Suso are not far off his level, and could be better given a chance. Age wise they are pretty similar too. It'll be interesting to see how Rodgers plays this in the summer, but expect a few loans for some younger midfielders. I will tip Shelvey, Coady and either Suso or Texeira to go out for experience.

YNWA! (Adam)

Another good summary Adam! You missed Adorjan, who is a good player. He a knack of scoring goals from the box, to which he creeps up without anyone noticing. Also Pelosi is an excellent all-round midfielder, very much a modern day CM who can also play LB and LM.

The real AG

"I'm sorry for the astronomical length"

that's what I tell the missus :)

HB {Ed019's Note - hehe}

Mate. you wrote all that when half on here can barely string a sentence together lol

HB, I would leave out the ". but there is quite a few midfielders in our team" part ;)

The real AG

Great post Adam

Mate. I play at a very high level but I'm only 17 and a player like Allen is ridiculously frustrating to play with. He doesn't help the team and instead just cares about keeping the ball. These players are effectively passengers as they have no interest in influencing the game. People then quote xavi but xavi is really composed in possession and creates loads of chances. Allen panicked when he has time in the ball and try's to get rid if it before he has already got it.

Another good read Adam, Don't worry about the long post. I would much rather read that than some of the Bull that is posted on this site.

Mr. no name, if you play at such a high-level, then you should be able to see that Allen has certain qualities that is required for the type of football we play. I am not a big fan of Allen, but realise that he just 22, just became a father for the first time and has been playing with a shoulder injury for a while.

Maybe the level you play at West Ham/Stoke style?

The real AG

Good shout AG (not the fake one:)!

HB

10 Apr 2013 12:58:46
After their Chairmen’s comments about the tw$t thatcher I now want Wigan and Reading to drop out of the premier league more than ever

In fairness, Reading's Chairman didn't say he particularly wanted it - just that he thought, no matter how controversial a figure she was, that she should have one just like any other Prime Minister across Europe would. In fairness, he also probably doesn't know that no other Prime Minister has had one from UK football. He's just from a different place where the tradition is 'elected leader = moment to pay respect'. Whelan should know better.

And Madjeski has asked for a minutes silence for the Hillsborough anniversary, so careful when you toss around half truths

10 Apr 2013 12:56:54
Why would anyone what rafa back?
Seriously he had his chance he was not good enough let's move on I would rather Sami hyppia giving ago if it doesn't work out for Rogers!!

10 Apr 2013 15:13:13
"he was not good enough"
pls correct this sentence.
he was the best Liverpool manager in last 15 years.

Do you think keeping rafa was the answer
Do you think him returning would lead us to success? Tell me how and why Harry will be much appreciated

10 Apr 2013 19:34:45
I don't know. weather its going to be a successful or not, and I don't have the idea of bringing him back.
But you can't simply insult a manger like that.
who served our club 6 years. still loves the club.
has given us plenty, plenty to remember.
I asked him to correct the sentences.

Okay fair enough he was good enough at certain stages just in his last year's at the club he went back bit wild with the rotation end of things!!

10 Apr 2013 12:14:03
Hey eds, can you just clarify something for me, Sahin came off the bench for Dortmund last night, how come he was not cup tied seen as he played in the Europa League for Liverpool? {Ed019's Note - The rules are complicated but Sahin was allowed to play in the Champions League as Dortmund had not played in the Europa League}

My understanding is that a player can play in the UCL for one side and in the Europa for another should they be transferred
It does not work the other way and they cannot play in the Europa and then for another club in the UCL, and cannot play for two clubs in the UCL in the same season.

10 Apr 2013 11:58:41
Hey eds wats your take on the minute silence on saturday is it out of respect for the 96 or for that thing that tarnished our good name and the beautiful city I call home altho I'm from DUBLIN I hope its for the brave brave families of the 96 YNWA JON96 {Ed001's Note - Liverpool will be holding a minute's silence for the 96.}

10 Apr 2013 11:49:08
Next season for me, if fit Kelly must be in the starting team - personally over Johnson.

Looking at this season we have scored loads more goals than the previous season and now the problem is them leaking in.

I don't think Johnson has directly contributed to most of those goals even though there's no denying he is great going forward. However, it's the other end that's our problem and unless he's at LB he can sometimes put off his defensive duties leaving us short. Whereas Kelly will first and foremost cover the defence and still provide a pretty good attacking outlet.

I feel Kelly's presence in the air will really help out at both ends.

Johnson isn't my scapegoat for a ''poor'' season I just feel Kelly would provide our team with the balance it needs more, and with BR searching for CB's maybe his chance won't be in a central position.

Aplogies for a long-winded no doubt boring post.

RobInRed

Kelly will most likely be used as a CB next year.

The real AG

One player doesn't let goals in a team does. He was still right back last year when out defense didn't leak goals. Its down to loads of reason which I can't be bothered to type.

If I remember, didn't BR have a few issues with Kelly at full back at the begining of the season? Seems a long time ago now.

You clearly have no idea do you! BornRed 78

Johnson shouldn't be just dropped but he could do with some serious competition at right-back to make him buck up his ideas a bit, he was very poor against West Ham.

Im convinced kelly at rb and johnson in front of him would work well tbh. {Ed019's Note - I'd prefer Kelly at CB}

I see the competition coming from McLaughlin in a couple of years time.

The real AG

BR didn't have problems with Kelly - he wanted to see some different things from players, which they all reacted to showed. The media then blew up him not signing the first new contract put in front of him into something it wasnt

3 5 2 would solve both your opinions in to one ed

10 Apr 2013 10:14:20
"Do I have a chance of staying here? I take it game by game, no more than that. My idea is to keep coaching a competitive team. Why not in England? We have to wait and see. I will return to Liverpool one day almost certainly, " he explained, adding his family was actually still living in the city

Respect to the man who still loves our club with heart and soul even after getting sack.
He still has a point to proove.
probably lift the title with Liverpool FC.

Maybe he can bring back Hypia, Riise and co. support the club not one man!

Brendan said that? Lol

MIKEY

He will probably return to Liverpool one day to manage Everton whenever Moyes leaves.

He will probably also bankrupt us and have another falling out with the board, the coaching staff and the players.

10 Apr 2013 10:04:20
Daniel Sturridge
Left on the bench while an ill Stewart Downing toiled and then came on to lose the ball three times and prod a couple of efforts towards goal. January already seems an awful long time ago.

Yeah I don't get BR when he plays ill or injured players. Stewie and Joe, am I missing something or should he of played players that are fit. I think he does some strange things :/

He also scored.

10 Apr 2013 10:00:33
Just adding to a previous post here about why I support Liverpool. Well I never followed football or any other sport till I was a bit older. Yes I watched Liverpool play as a younger boy and so but was never really interested. I'm from South Africa and the support for United in particular is unreal. One day at school I was asked which team I was supporting between Manchester United and Liverpool (some of my friends were having one of those arguements) and not being able to recall the name of the team first mentioned, which was United, I said Liverpool because the name sounded easier. And it all came down to that. So I decided to watch a football game and Liverpool were playing. Can't remember which game. Then I saw the Anfield crowd singing You'll never walk Alone and it was one of the most life-changing, beautiful, amazing experiences I've ever had in my life. I never looked back since. The passion of the people, the players was wonderful to see. We truly have the best fans in the world and the history of the club, the city of Liverpool itself and its people will forever be in my heart after that day. So for me it comes down to the fans. The trophies never atracted me to the club, it was that amazing Anfield crowd and their desire and passion for this club. And it has instilled into me more and more over the years. People this is no ordinary football club. This is a family built by Shankly and a second religion. Its somewhere I felt I could belong. United may become 35 time league winners and we may never win a trophy again, but being a Liverpool supporter goes beyond trophies. Its a life lesson about loyalty and the desire to never give up and knowing that you never, ever walk alone. No other club will ever compare. And that's why we are the greatest club ever. They've thrown everything they could at us and we're still standing. I love this club as much as much as any born and bred scouser if not more and forever will. Sorry for the extremely long post.
Capetown Red and Proud

No one minds long posts when they are worth reading! :)

Not sure what people are disagreeing for. !

Well said, Capetown Red. My own entry into the LFC family was similar.

Cheers.

10 Apr 2013 09:44:53
For me Rodgers is a good coach but mediocore manager, he would really be suited as asistant coach rather then manager.

10 Apr 2013 12:12:21
For me, Rodgers has only been in the job 8/9 months.

He has made a few signings

Allen, Yesil, Borini and Coutinho (all planned for the future, all Coutinho has hit the ground running)

Sahin, Assaidi (some seemingly bargain signings, although unfortunately, neither have worked out)

Sturridge (the only big money signing made with the intention of being a 'straight from the word go' player).

Allen, Borini and Yesil have all had injuries (which are of course Rodgers fault).

Sahin and Assaidi have failed to replicate their previous form (also Rodgers fault; obviously)

Sturridge is currently being kept out of the team by an on fire Coutinho (again, Rodgers fault. why sign both you mediocre manager?)

Just support him please. How you got 8 agrees is beyond me. A young manager, with a young team is carrying us to a better points score than last season despite us having a much smaller squad with more games to play.

YNWA! (Adam)

While I agree with Adam's sentiments, in fairness Sahin and Assaidi might be something to do with Rodgers

Good post Adam I agree Rogers said him self first few matches were not ready for top four he admitted he needed time I think mentally its a new challenge for a lot of players but even Clint dempsey admitted spurs are feeling the pressure and they finished fourth last year so let's give Rogers time please

10 Apr 2013 13:04:20
Adam.
I am not sure how did you figured out this. let me share my views ojn some of the points.

1. Allen, Yesil, Borini and Coutinho (all planned for the future, all Coutinho has hit the ground running)
contradicts.
Yesi is undoubtedly one for the future who might not feature this time.
allen was bought with a whooping of 18 mill. not for future,. but to sort out the present problems in midfield. whiich failed.
Borini Injured. no comments
Countinho. is the real steal. and played consistently well till now.

2. Sahin, Assaidi (some seemingly bargain signings, although unfortunately, neither have worked out)

Bargain. get a grip. sahin is a deep lying playmaker. if you haven't got a clue on where he should play. you better don't buy him.
are there any players who have openly said that BR didn't know where to play me?

3. Sturridge is currently being kept out of the team by an on fire Coutinho
absolutly rubbish. sturridge is being kept out by downing who was actually our worst buy.
he was bought to play in a front 3.
he in-balances. our team. he cannot track back.
he is a CF who wants to play upfront.
on current form we have suarez who does that job.

Seems you don't have much clue on our formation and the style we play.

It's ironic that you of all people commented on people being clueless Harry considering how often you are accused of the same!

10 Apr 2013 15:08:55
Allen is 22. Therefore is still a player for the future regardless of cost.

Sahin and Assaidi were SEEMINGLY bargain buys. When we first signed them, everyone was raving about Rodgers for finding hidden gems. Sahin was the best midfielder in Germany whilst there and we got him for a season for about £5m. Its not Rodgers fault that Gerrard dropped into a deeper role, and was better at it than Nuri.

As for our 'style'. If you understood it, you'd know that the forward players do not have a rigid formation. Its supposed to be an interchangeable front 3. So Sturridge is infact being kept out by Coutinho, who nobody expected to kick off so fast. Downings place on the right side of the forward line is assured as his work rate compensates for Johnsons marauding forward runs. Sturridge wouldn't track back like that.

I think you are a bit too patronising Harry.

Agreed Sam btw, that Rodgers can be afforded a portion of the blame, as he perhaps should've forseen Sahin a Assaidi being a bit lightweight. But Mata and Cazorls have proved Strength isn't everything in England. it was a gamble that didn't pay off.

YNWA! (Adam)

10 Apr 2013 16:31:06
Adam.
I don't wanna argue.
I have been criticized here much. coz. I am being so negative.

It's not that you're negative, you just don't know what you're talking about

10 Apr 2013 09:41:53
Typical! Man u fans taunting kompany and insulting him live on tv tv and it only get small articles in newspapers, one Liverpool fan allegedly makes a remark in a game and its a 4 page spread in all papers! WTF!

10 Apr 2013 09:12:51
Couple of questions for the ed's.

Where do you expect to see Andy Carroll next season? LFC, West Ham or Newcastle? Can't see BR keeping him if a reasonable offer comes in.

Also, with Carra retiring who is going to be vice-captain? Reina, Agger & Suraez or maybe even Lucas - depending on who is still here.

{Ed002's Note - (1) I really don't know, but the club will want to move him on. (2) I would think Reina if he stays.}

10 Apr 2013 08:18:53
Ed (s), could you please shed some light on rafa's recent comments about a return to Liverpool and also how secure rodgers' future is.

thank you, {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}

Rafa seemed to be talking at some point, not about particularly imminent plans

I am not an Ed

But its wishful thinking on RAFA part

Henry would not take RAFA as he blames RAFA for bad players on large financial contracts

FM merkel

10 Apr 2013 09:52:01
the cost of those bad players over his 5 years is almost equal to what KK and BR spend already.

You do talk some rubbish sometimes Harry - Torres, Aquilani and Babel alone are about equal in spend to BR's entire transfers alone!

Yeah but Rafa signed over 70 players and a huge percentage were "bad"

The real AG

How many players did rafa bring in again? He had the best chance for us to win the league and he blew it

10 Apr 2013 13:06:30
did I also mentioned KK and BR?
Rafa did had the chance and probably blewed it away.
lets see where does BR gets us into.

10 Apr 2013 13:07:15
Still the most expensive flops ever by Liverpool FC would be KK signings of downing, and caroll.
simply worth 55 mill

10 Apr 2013 13:11:20
samsam.
torres profit will cover his entire expenses.
name one player apart from suarez,. who would be sold on profit signed by BR or KK.

Coutinho, Yesil and Sturridge if they were to be sold would all would cost more than what they cost.

The real AG

Courtinho would already be sold at a profit. Just because you don't rate the buys however doesn't mean your original statement wasnt utter garbage, and KK has absolutely no relevance to discussions about Rafa so lord only knows why you are bringing him up or bringing up people like Downing, who BR is getting the best out of and didn't buy in the first place. You might as well argue that Rafa should come back as manager because Jimmy Saville was a pedo, the two things have no relevance

10 Apr 2013 07:27:10
We seem to be producing the bulk of the best domestic talent. Rossiter, Dunn, Ibe, Sterling, Sinclair, Wisdom, Trickett-Smith. And just top young talent in general i. e Suso, McLaughlin, Pelosi, Nacho, Texeira, Yesil and no doubt many others. Frightening

If we can nurture these young lads, and give them the time, support and patience they'll put us back on the map. Add in one or two champions (i. e. Sturridge, Coutinho, Suarez) a season and we should be all set.

We are on the verge of something remarkable, and some don't realise it.
When the newly revamped /expanded Anfield opens in 3, 4 years' time, Liverpool could potentially have up to 10 young, brilliant lads all whose talents have been bred or fine tuned at Kirkby starting and/or being highly important for us.

Ward, McLaughlin, Kelly, Dunn, Suso, Rossiter, Ibe, Sterling, Sinclair and Yesil are the most likely of the bunch.

What we need right now is a man who will nurture and bring through those talents. Brendan Rodgers is that man for me. He has a proven record for bringing youngsters through, giving them a chance and generally of improving players.
He is NOT without any flaws. He most definitely has his shortcomings.
More or less I would put them down to his youthful naivety.

But at the heart of this is bright, confident, ambitious, fearless, eager and determined fella who 'gets' us and our ways. He is clear on his philosophy. His 'no beating about the bush' attitude impresses.
I thought his frankness and apparent coldness as to the Downing and Carroll issue was impressive too.

Ferguson and Mourihno didn't get where they are because they sucked to their charges.
Neither were the victorious yesteryear LFC famed for their 'kind' handling of things mediocre.
Ed001 has often referred to the ruthless and intolerant manner of past LFC gaffers towards mediocrity.

I'm not saying Rodgers is the next Mourihno, Ferguson or Shankly.
He doesn't need to be.
He only has to be himself.
Can we allow him the opportunity to be that. himself?

Lastly, much has been on the question of have we made progress or not under Rodgers.
This should answer your question.

Last season LFC spent over 50m on new players; had a full complement of players to choose from minus Lucas for a few months, got the least amount of wins at Anfield for a long time, were outscored by a club which went on to be relegated, themselves outscored no more than 3 clubs, and finally finished eigth.

This season, we spent about 30m, had only ONE senior striker from August to January, had to regularly start 3 teenagers, we are in the top 3 highest scorers, Suarez is the league's leading scorer, downing and Hendersen have created and also scored some important goals, Suso, Sterling and Wisdom have been brough through, we sit seventh with 6 games to play, 3 points behid the bitters who at some stage were over 10 ahead of us, we are poised for a sixth place finish, our best since the 08/09 season.
That's progress for me, taking all circumstances into consideration.

The LEAGUE is the bread and butter, as ed001 would say, so the cup runs, whilst desirable and important in their own way, are only the bronze, and not the silver, let alone the gold, of it. {Ed002's Note - Liverpool has spent a lot more than £30M this season.}

10 Apr 2013 08:04:23
you are right we have amazing young talent at our disposal. how about giving them a chance to come on as substitute but BR never uses his substitution I feel bad for suso for past many games he has been on the bench than I see him warming up but BR never brings him on.
as far as our improvement from last season is concerned, we are playing better football but one major difference from last season is luis suarez he has been in top form this season last season he was playing well but unfortunately lacking end product. so when we are comparing we should keep this in mind and also that there is a possibility that he might not be there next season.

BR being himself is the problem

It's how you marshall your troops that wins battles - and eventually the war -

Well said Adrian, if Suarez would have converted his chances last season as he has done this season we would have been a top 4 side and KK in charge.

On the youngsters it's going to be difficult for BR to blood them in an already under performing side with the pressure on getting a higher league position.

I agree that he should give youth a chance now as our season ended over a month ago.

We could have a bright future but with our inconsistency and BR unable to address it we have a long long road ahead of us before we can compete with teams above us.

10 Apr 2013 09:54:08
We have already spend a hell lot of money dude.
and no owner would be happy with the result.
in the end. Liverpool is a business for them. its their bread and butter.
there is a differnce between being a fan and being an owner.
they are dealing in millions.
and we a season ticket at the very best

10 Apr 2013 00:13:24
Hey guys would someone explain to me why Margaret Thatcher is hated by so many LFC fans I wasn't even born during her rule and only know of the few things she didn't do brilliantly as prime minister. But I would really appreciate it if there was no abuse towards her in your replies I would just like to know what part exactly she played in Hillsborough. {Ed001's Note - a lot of it stems from what amounted to a declaration of war on the city of Liverpool itself, originally. She deliberately tried to destroy it and block any kind of money being invested, hence why there are so many of us scousers spread across the world. Then her government was involved in the cover up of what actually happened at Hillsborough and the deliberate media assassination of the good name of the city and its residents. Those of us who had to grow up down south will know what it was like to suffer constant abuse about being thieves and murderers due to her pettiness. It probably partly explains why Liverpool FC became quite so important to me, it was something to hold on to of home. The more people abused me for it, the more I held on tight and stood up and shouted my support for them. I can remember being jumped by a gang of kids on the way home from school, something got stolen and I got the blame because, in their words 'you scousers are all thieves'. That stemmed from her control over the media giving a false impression of a city fighting for survival. The fact that London, and many other cities, had, and still do have, a much higher crime rate per head of population was never mentioned.}

Well done Ed for the restrained response. People need educating.

That's actually shocking! Wow didn't know that at all cheers for the info ed!

London red

A manc once asked my then 7 year old son why he supported us and not them, to which my son replied " my dad said I have to support Liverpool until I'm 18 an can make up my own mind "
Simple

Bob bobbinson

Poll tax, miners, union workers, privatisation of many national entities that didn't favour ordinary citizens, northern/ southern devide, Hillsborough, Northern Ireland. Put any one of those words/sentences into a google search with the word Thatcher included and you'll find out plenty. She was a devider of people at best, a power hungry wagon that has ruined good families still to this day, 23 years after she was out of office.
JFT96
Chi-Paul

If you watch Blesdale's Boys from the Black stuff it really brings home 80's Liverpool. Everyone was unemployed, poor and fighting to keep their heads above water. All this ultimately lead to riots. Today, looking at the growing unemployment levels in Europe, in spain, greece, italy, ireland and home and I really feel a similar feeling and all that could all just ignite like it did in Toxteth early eighties. The lesson Thatcher gave me as a boy was that you can only push people so far.

10 Apr 2013 08:27:15
Great response Ed001. Summarrised it perfectly. I think it was after the Toxteth riots that she argued for a "controlled decline policy" to be applied to Liverpool. Give Heseltine his due (not my favourite politician either and wthe city needed more than a garden centre on the prom after that) he stood up to her and it did not happen. Would have been a disaster. How a PM can propose such a thing against one of the UKs great cities I will never know.

Iggypop

She was controversial in her decisions but no one can deny she was a great leader of the country.

She was voted in as pm by the country so was given the right by the people to make the decisions as she did. If she was hated she would not have been voted in.

These days in politics they are all yes men and pr puppets, they sit on the fence, tell you what you want to hear and then do nothing.

MT was a great PM, if you step back and look at her as a leader and figurehead.

She was the most cold hearted meanest politician of our times. All she ever cared about was the south east of England and ball**k's to the rest
fforestfach red {Ed001's Note - she was far from a great PM to anyone with the intelligence to see that all this country's current ills stem from her.}

She was a strong leader, and a skilled politician. That's about the full extent of my positivity.
A great leader take responsibility for their opposition too. She destroyed her opposition who also happened to be the weakest in society too.
Even the trailblazer nonsense is hard to swallow. Sure she was a woman in amans world in a mans time. But where's her legacyin that regard? It doesn't exist, she didn't want it to.

I don't rejoice at her death. I find that tragic. There's been over 20 years to voice those views. Loads have and do, but at the end she's just one another of the weaker in society (rich and cared for but old and reducing), and she's a person after all.

But I fully understand why those affected to this day by her politics are happy. I think that Scousers more than most have every right. I just wish we could voice it without lower ourselves to attack from the Right. Never forget, never forgive, but maintain your own dignity at all times.

Somehow we forgot and allowed a Tory Government power again (the tinge of yellow makes little to no difference. ) That's the point at which my patience for the long held vitriol runs thin. As a second generation scouser myself - down in London (one of Thatcher's illegitimate babies?) all I can say to those who celebrate now. Control what is yours to control.
Get registered, get out and vote. Keep them out. On this page we know better than most that Red is better than Blue!

JfT96

Controversial decisions, voted in by her own people, a figure head?
You could make the same argument for Hitler.
The fact is she was going to get voted out and the falklands war saved her career.
Fact is Wales, Scotland, and ireland and the north of england will have a completely different view to the South of England. {Ed001's Note - to point out, she deliberately withdrew the forces from the Falklands the moment Argentina made noises about wanting the 'Malvinas' back. It is not difficult to infer that she deliberately did so to entice them to invade, especially as her husband owned large shares in armament manufacturers that stood to profit from any kind of conflict.....}

I hope Eds1 Reponse shows what true support to LFC should be! AJH 316

She was a total disaster! She helped the few at the expense of the many.
She was an allie to butchers like Pinochet and supported racist policies in Africa.

If the people of Britain are looking to pay tribute to the greatest PM of the last century then praise CLEMENT ATTLEE, a man who actually made the country better!

The labour opposition was nowhere to be seen during the thatcher years. They where splitting into 2 party's and that's one reason she kept her job so long.
I sympathise with ed001 on being a scouser away from home, I work all over Europe and my accent makes me hated and people are suspicious of me anywhere south of England (especially London and Manchester) but I'm loved everywhere north and in Europe.
A lot of French people also hate thatcher for her treatment of the unions, they have managed to stay very strong and popular over there.
Thatcher created the greed and the start of the boom and bust culture we are paying for now with this recession.
I wouldn't celebrate her passing but it's almost as if a big black cloud has cleared from the skies.
I have noticed just how much Cameron is thatchers clone in recent days, the policies have a certain echo about them. Let's not give him 3 terms.

MIKEY

10 Apr 2013 12:27:03
Just wanted to add this in. I was very young when Hillsborough happened, and I didn't really understand it. A few years after I asked my mum what it was and he explained to me that football hooliganism had broken out and lots of people had died. She also went on to condemn hooliganism in football and said its ridiculous that people get so heated over "a game". My mum is a lovely woman and not at all judgemental, but this is just an indication of what Thatcher allowed to happen. As we all know it was not as a result of hooliganism, but people were made to 100% believe that it was. I didn't have the Internet as a kid, and as I grew up and had access to more information and educated myself and learned exactly what the truth about the day was, but the image of a whole city, and the memory of our 96 brothers and sisters were truly blackened by what Thatcher did and failed to do. To this day still people blame the fans, which is completely unjust, and after nearly 24 years we are still fighting for justice where all of this could easily have been resolved by people taking responsibility for their actions. The woman did good as well, I lived in the falkland islands for a while where the islanders are forever in her debt, but people will speak as they find. She did as much damage as she did good, and I guess people's opinions will form depending on what side of the stick they got.

Although I must say, the timing of the Hillsborough report now has been perfect. If the police chiefs were still in post, all we could get from them is a disgraced dismissal. Now, we can actual destroy their lives

Samsam9000, harsh that man. I wouldn't want to "destroy" anyones life.

The real AG