25 May 2019 10:22:08
We all love bobby for what he brings to our team which is work rate heart passion sapce for mane and salah to work their magic
but question for the forum
If you had the chance to swap bobby for Antoine Griezmann would you do it?
Have to admit I would as those three up top would destroy anyone and they would probably all score 20 plus goals
but im glad we have bobby but have to be honest here guys.

1.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 10:31:31
Not for me, bobby is personally the most important player in the way we play and Griezmann is undoubtedly a good player but he seems to care more about himself then the squad and his ‘should I stay or go’ documentaries are cringeworthy at best.

2.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 10:39:33
Not for me. I like our style of play and I think Firmino is instrumental to it; as are Mane and Salah. Griezmann doesn't work hard enough in my opinion. Someone like H. M. Son or B. Silva would be an interesting debate though. They match the work rate of any of our front 3 and have bucket loads of ability to boot.

3.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 10:41:48
No chance at all for me. The reason we are so successful is because of Bobby's workrate as well as his selflessness. Griezmann, though he is an amazing player is no where near Bobby's level in those 2 areas.

4.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 11:01:15
Legitimate question JJ but I suspect you’ll get universal disagreement. Bobby is key to our high press game and whilst he may not win the golden boot he doesn’t miss that many chances either when he through. Besides who is better than him with his goal celebrations!

5.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 11:18:49
thats the differnece between Klopps teams and any other top Euro team, the workrate.
I think of name and think, now ways. he won't keep up with our style of play.
thats why its important we buy the right type of player even if he is not well known.
cant think of another false 9 like Bobby out there.
cant think of another forward who will displace our front 3 out there that covers our full backs.

6.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 11:19:42
No way. Griezmann would never be able to be the first line of defense, as Bobby is. And why are we worried about goals? We score enough with the current system. Let's work on our finishing and being decisive with our scoring chances. I'd agree to an AM being brought in to add punch and support to the front 3 (Bobby scored more with Coutinho and Ox behind him), but not to replacing him.

7.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 11:24:02
My opinion:

Griezmann is the closest player to Firmino, tactically speaking. He's a secondary striker with great defensive workrate. Griezz is maybe a little bit more complete and a truer-striker than Firmino (he's more agile and a better finisher), but just like our lad he has a very good attitude at pressing the opponents and ghosting-up to provide for his team-mates.

I know Firmino does not score as many goals but obviously his game is so much more than that.

I'll welcome Griezmann as an addition but not at the cost of Firmino.

8.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 11:27:12
Nope.

9.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 11:38:54
"Have to admit I would as those three up top would destroy anyone and they would probably all score 20 plus goals"

Our current front 3 scored 20+ plus goals each last season. This season, Salah and Mane are both over the 20 mark and Bobby has 16. Not exactly a million miles away from 20. So you'd swap Bobby for Greizmann to probably have what we already have?

I wouldn't.

10.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 11:39:58
Sorry to say but those who questioning Griezmann's work-rate have no clue at all.
Griezmann works tirelessly for Simeone’s side. His work ethic is second to none whether it's pressing or defensive contributions. He never stops running!

Yes his attitude sucks but he is a brilliant footballer.

11.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 12:02:21
Aray I think that season had more to do with the ox than couts. Couts was a selfish player and only made a hand full of appearances that season Bobby didn't really shine until pipco left.

12.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 12:15:30
MoSalahMoPain, you misunderstand me friend. I did not say Griezmann was lazy nor did I question his work ethic. I agree he works hard. However, just do not think it is hard enough to replace Firmino. Firmino presses better than nearly every player in world football.

13.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 12:15:47
I don't undertand those who would question his work rate
and to say he could not do what bobby does is a little silly imo
he is a better player then bobby end of
but that is not to say he would work in our team as well as bobby does.

14.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 12:25:07
You said it yourself. Bobby creates space, tracking back etc, which might be different to Griezmann. That in turn will change the entire play, and that might not bring the same results. Probably Mane and Salah won't be having the same amount of opportunity to play their games. Besides, I don't think Griezmann is a great player though. Good yes, but not that great.

15.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 12:29:13
I think that is exactly the point John. Griezmann puts in a good shift defensively, but Atletico don't play a high press. So the intensity of his defensive work is much less. Less sprints, less frequent etc. His defensive work is about closing down players, or closing down space, putting a foot in when the chance is there, getting back goal side of the ball etc. He does it brilliantly.

There is no evidence he can play in a high press though. It's a completely different level of work ethic required. That's why I put forward H. M. Son or B. Silva. They both play in high pressing teams so they press at a similar intensity to our lads.

It's not as clear cut as just saying 'Griezmann is a good player who works hard' so he could do Firmino's job just as well. Does he work AS hard? For me not many players come close to Bobby in that department. Griezmann is clearly a better finisher though. I'm just not sure I'd sacrifice Bobby's world class pressing for Griezmann's worod class goal scoring. It's fair enough to say Griezmann is still a hard worker, but then it's only fair to say Firmino is still a decent goal scorer.

16.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 12:51:18
I wanted a debate on this and we have one so im happy
so thank you to all who have commented and still might.

17.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 12:54:50
PB, I got your point mate.
I will never swap Firmino. He's the heart and soul of our system. He makes everything tick, he’s the true meaning of teamwork, and if Liverpool are to finally grasp the Premier League title next season, it’ll be due in no small part to Klopp’s gegenpress-extraordinaire false 9.

18.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 12:54:54
Griezmann is the better all round footballer and would score more goals, create more goals so I would take Griezmann. Firmino's high press was no were near as effective this season he you look as the stats he was behind other similar premier league players.

19.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 13:46:13
Lol never in a million years personally mate.

20.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 14:13:51
Johncrow there’s something that the kop want you to know, the best in the world is Bobby Firmino. Our number 9, give him the ball and he’ll score every time. Si senor, give the ball to Bobby and he will score.
Griezmann indeed 🙄.

21.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 14:17:45
Hi Salah hope yuor well mate
just a question is there no one you think in world football could replace bobby in our front three?

22.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 14:20:27
Nope. He’s good but I’ve never quite got the hype. Maybe its because he like to tell people that he is just so beautiful and amazing and fantastic in every way that people believe him.

Not a single player in the world in Firmino’s position would I take instead. When he plays, we’re good and mostly win. When he plays well, we do win. He mostly plays well.

23.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 15:27:05
I fully get why our fans love Firmino but to say there is no one in the world who could do better only Liverpool fans would say that. Bobby only scored in 8 league games this season, he has never played well in a final. Last year in the champions league final he forgot to turn up. When Liverpool need goals to win points the goals hardly ever come from Firmino.

The best players turn up in the biggest games. If you ask me for one player that is sure to play well in the cl final I say Mane, then Robbo, VVD, Allison. Firmino would be well down the list.

24.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 16:20:30
I wouldn’t swap Bobby for anyone!

25.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 17:00:06
Finally a post about my favorite player and another player that I currently love to watch. Anyways I think both players are great in their own right but for me it has to be Firmino. Amazing player and so underrated one of the best at what he does. I see that Griezmann likes to comment and like on Firmino's page on Instagram. I see that Griezmann, sort of follows Liverpool. He especially follows Firmino.

26.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 17:17:32
Why must people look at goals, or even work rate? Bobby works hard, yes but that should be a prerequisite. It’s the fact that if something goes wrong for him, there is not a seconds thought before he tries to make amends, and most of the time he does. All players can harry others, but Firmino actually manages to get the tackle in more often than not. He knows when to press, when to close space or the player and how to set traps, but he doesn’t really need teaching any of it, it is all natural to him. There aren’t any others of his ilk and quality I can think of in the world.

As for goal scoring, why do you need to adjust the way the team plays to suit someone else when our two wide men are our main goal scoring threat anyway? The reason he doesn’t score as many is because he has been instrumental in most of the chances we create.

That article posted by IDontLookLikeKlopp on discussion pages will explain exactly why Firmino is so vital, even if people can’t see it obviously.

27.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 17:34:58
The only thing I would add to the debate is the way Bobby fits in with the "Team Spirit" which Jurgen has instilled into us. Take Bobby out and you take away from that feel good factor and then replace him with a player who is all about him and not the team and it impacts on other players.
Its great that we can even be considered with world class players but I wouldn't want any of them if they impacted on the togetherness we have right now.

28.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 18:15:34
I'm very good thanks John, how are you doing mate? hope life is treating you well?!

To be honest you've put me on the spot there mate, it's no secret how much I love Bobby, I'm sure there's somebody out there who could replace him but who? is the big question for me, I just love what he brings to the team as a whole, I know he doesn't score as many as we'd all like but for me there's much more to him then that.

Right now, I wouldn't swap him with any player, he's equally my favourite Liverpool player along with Alisson.

Bobby reminds me of Silva for City, that fella is just unreal, he's been their engine for years and they'll struggle to replace such a player, I see Firmino in the same light. He's not appreciated as much as he should be in my opinion mate. I think the biggest issue these days is people don't pay attention to an individuals performance, they look at the score sheet and judge based on that instead of watching a player closely.

We're all different though mate, just my opinion of course :) .

29.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 20:50:16
similar to a previous post about Mbappe, I would say that greizmann is in that category of player that doesn't fit at Liverpool. ie; their star and everything that comes with it is too big for our club and city.

now that aside, I would still go with Bobby because he has turned into the star he is here and i think that gives him some credit over greizmann. Ya don't just give up that chemistry so easily.

30.) 25 May 2019
25 May 2019 22:44:20
Doesn’t matter who is better. Bobby is our player. Bobby all day.

31.) 26 May 2019
25 May 2019 23:03:23
Once again, I have to agree with Salah. Bobby is perfect for us and is a prototypical Klopp player. I'm not sure that there would be room for Griezemann's ego. Interesting question though John, good topic and good comments.

32.) 26 May 2019
25 May 2019 23:05:50
Im good Salah mate hope you and the family are well
For me glad we have Bobby I really am but deep down I cannot honestly say he would be above Greizmann for me but we all have opiniono which make supporting this club even more interesting.