25 Apr 2019 17:07:27
Talk of Matip is a good back up player and can't expect 4 world class cbs at the club.

For some it's not about having that. Matip consistently makes mistakes and some of us feel it's not unreasonable to expect a player who is NOT in his 1st season or young enough to call it a setting in period would rather give the opportunity to a young lad who could be forgiven for errors and expected to improve with experience Matip to me alt is at his best and I think the younger players could do just as good a job as him but with room to improve.

Cheers.


1.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 18:11:33
I fully agree with you, Codtown. Matip arrived here 3 seasons ago and he has NOT improved in his overall game. He STILL lacks the very things many of us say he was lacking then as in poor concentration, wilting under pressure, lack of a mean streak, positional awareness etc.

I can agree if it was say Joe Gomez, who lacked all these and was in his first season as that I can forgive cos the potential just like TAA who lacks some of the things I mentioned, is a kid and will learn. That cannot be said of Matip so why should we continue to persist with a CB who at 27 yrs old (the same age as VVD) continues to lack these qualities?


2.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 18:18:31
Have you seen the younger players play? Are they ready to step up to the first team? Do you think that the manager who see's these players every day is the best person to decide this?


3.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 18:30:19
I’m no fan of Matip, there has to be better options out there considering his wages, talk of him getting another contract would only really bother me though if he was our first or second choice CB. With him staying makes me wonder if Lovren will be going though.


4.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 18:52:32
It's not even about mistakes for me. I actually think ability wise he could be one of the best 4th choice centre backs in Europe.

For me, it is his attitude. I can't grow to like a player who strides forward like Patrick Viera, hits a dodgy pass akin to that of Lee Cattermole, and then tracks back slower than Paul Pogba. He is lazy in all the wrong moments. If you charge forwards and lose possession you should bust your balls to get back in and attone for your error. His lackadaisical strolling just screams "I don't care". I can't see past it when I analyse his ability.

Everything else wrong with his game can be forgiven due to his role in the squad, but I will never fully back someone who doesn't give 100% in the great red shirt.

Perhaps I'm just being harsh because I think everyone should work as hard as Bobby and Hendo.


5.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 19:22:27
And milly and robertson and mane and salah and literally every other player we have.


6.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 19:36:35
I think matip has improved. We haven't lost a game when he has played. We also haven't conceded many goals. Not saying he is amazing or anything but he can't be THAT bad. If he was really poor we would have conceded loads of goals, we havent. He isn't first choice but is a good back up player.


7.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 19:54:49
I don't Klopp would tolerate and they certainly wouldn't be selected for the past lot of weeks if one of his players wasn't giving 100%.


8.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 20:07:03
experienced, seems like a good character in the team, has done a job the past few months. Rather have him in the 3rd / 4th choice role if he wants it compared to a youth who would need to play regularly.


9.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 20:28:29
these constant threads slagging off one of our players is pathetic. He has played as well as he can for 5 months and Klopp keeps picking him. He has not cost us any points.

Matip is playing to his level - what more can he do? He has done far better than I expected. I am sure he could have cried off like Lovern when he had a knock or wasn't feeling well, but no he has turned up every week.

As for Firmino and Hendo they have both played below their expected level this season. 12 goals for our centre forward is no where near enough. Firmino has been several levels below last seasons form. Hendo has played well for a few games on the bounce granted but no way could anyone say he has had a really good season. Where was Hendo v Man U or Everton when we really needed our captain? Hendo has started playing when it is probably all over we needed him earlier. Gini has been far better and that says an awful lot.

Leave Matip alone or get Lovren out of his pit, or tell Klopp to start playing Gomez. If we win the league I for one will say Matip played his part as much as most of our other players.


10.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 20:53:21
Spot on, MK. Here's another one for you. I live in Brussels and we get the PL games here in French. I speak fluent French. I lived and studied in France in my youth so no issues with the language here. Do you know what the one Belgian commentator calls Matip? He calls him The Relaxed One. Even he observes in most games that Matip plays like he couldn't be arsed, lazy and unbothered. I have no issues with that if he could actually defend. The worst thing is that he is crap and can't defend for the most part, which makes things even worse.


11.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 22:15:43
Couldn't be arsed, lazy unbothered I assume you are talking about Lovren.

At least Matip is playing and helping us win points were is Lovren. Klopp prefers Matip so suck it up.


12.) 25 Apr 2019
25 Apr 2019 23:02:55
Yet Klopp still chooses Matip over Lovren, who has been available recently, Gomez is available too. If Matip was that crap, lazy and unbothered then surely Klopp would play Lovren or rush Gomez back.

Klopp obviously sees more in Matip than you do. Constantly posting on here that Matip is crap is out of order, he is 3rd or 4th choice and has improved.
Gary Neville also voted him MOTM against Cardiff, I am not saying he was but he clearly is not crap.


13.) 26 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 00:12:08
MK nailed it, every time he ambles forward I'm screaming because he is never going to sprint back to do his one job, Gomez, Lovern all day long are better defenders.


14.) 26 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 08:06:57
Mark08 spot on comment mate. Klopp brought him here and keeps picking him so that’s good enough for me.


15.) 26 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 11:12:45
Just imagine if Matip hadn’t played all season and it cancelled out all the goals conceded and games lost because of him. We would be sitting 2nd place on on 88 points 1 point behind City.


16.) 26 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 11:45:50
If it was VVD being named The Relaxed One we would all nod our collective heads and murmur about how cool and unrushed he is on the ball. You can't use that moniker as a stick to beat Matip with just because you don't rate him. Im sure that commentator didn't mean it in the negative sense.


17.) 26 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 12:47:32
Why doesn't the commentator just call him Matip?


18.) 26 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 16:29:37
I think lovren is the better defender but that matip and VVD have struck up some sort of partnership that is working.

Next year gomez will be back in there with lovren as third choice, matip 4th.


19.) 26 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 18:16:24
Matip? Lazy? Are you kidding? I don’t think you could say that about any of our players bar maybe Shaqiri and we all know what’s happened to him since he stopped working.
Klopp will analyse our performances in minute detail after game and if he thought Matip was lazy he simply wouldn’t play him.
Sorry MK but I think you’re just making stuff up to suit your agenda here.


20.) 26 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 18:18:24
Think we all agree he's not good enough in the long term but why even bring this up and have a pop at the lad? He's tried his best in difficult circumstances and has given his all. Why have a go at him now for no reason whatsoever especially after him receiving a mom recently, where you just bored and wanted to have a go at someone?


21.) 27 Apr 2019
26 Apr 2019 23:57:19
Again he might not be good enough for the fans behind the keyboard but i don’t think Klopp counts on our opinions for his actual team selection. Although I’m pretty sure some fans believe he does and actually know better.