08 Apr 2019 03:24:08
Ed's submitted a post a while back but never saw it on the site or in my profile. Have any of the Ed's seen an analysis of what the table would look like had VAR been implemented this year? I ask this whils thinking we've actually been very fortunate this season (especially compared to previous seasons) but after the Chelsea Cardiff game where Chelsea had an offside goal and then an arguable red card not called I'd be interested to see what team would be in what position with VAR. Keep up the good work!

{Ed001's Note - how can there be such a thing when no one knows what VAR would have decided? It has been shown around the world to be about as reliable as an old banger bought off Ebay for £25. There will be little difference as there will still be the same corrupt organisation running it, except that instead of the supposedly best referees in the countries making all the decisions you will now be asking the ones not good enough for the Prem to check those decisions afterwards!}

1.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 04:43:06
Which is why Ed1 it's one of them for me mate, it shouldn't bloody exist unless it can be done right, nothing will change but people are talking like it'll suddenly fix everything, it won't. It's a waste of time, effort and money! well, I don't know about the 'effort' bit.

{Ed001's Note - the most bizarre thing about it is that, as they do not have enough Premier League refs to run it, they are going to employ refs from the lower leagues to do so. It should be totally separate, if you are going to get people from the lower leagues, get ex-pros and train them specifically in the role as well. Get a different view than just these incompetent buffoons that run (or not in Jon Moss's case) around the pitch making bad calls all game long.}

2.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 05:10:48
Lol it says it all mate, it's a failure before it's even started! I remember you saying last year that it should have an independent body running things then it might've looked promising but with this setup there's just no point to it. I really don't understand how anybody can be excited about it, what next? stuff like this is just damaging the sport further imo, like it wasn't bad enough they have to make it as bad if not worse? pointless.

{Ed001's Note - it certainly didn't help the cup semis! All this standing around waiting for things to be checked is ridiculous. Sadly it is going to happen, no matter how badly implemented, so we will just have to get used to it and the no doubt heavily edited images that get released to show how the decision was reached.}

3.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 05:22:43
See that's another big issue of mine with it, is all this waiting around like lemons for them to make a decision, get on with the bloody game! but yeah you're right, we can talk about it until we're blue in the face, it's coming and that's that. Can you imagine the amount of conversations this is going to bring next season on here? lol. Those who currently back it will soon be against it that's for sure.

{Ed001's Note - it is bad enough that we have to wait twenty minutes while players perform somersaults before lying prone on the turf pretending to have been shot after every tackle in the hope of getting someone sent off. The game is getting too stop-start and it is not helping it. Still I understand why FIFA/UEFA and the FA like it - the stop and check will be a great time to put in an advert, FIFA were shopping that around ahead of the World Cup, so that will be next.}

4.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 05:54:10
Goal line technology works because it's exact with no arguments. Var will still have much interpretation and as such be problematic, leave we'll alone.
Would var have ruled out Keith's goal due to early offside? If so that's ridiculous as it was a couple of goal attmpts earlier, how far do you go back? Until the last stoppage in play or change of possession? That could be 5 minutes earlier.

5.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 06:19:26
The way VAR deals with offsides is ridiculous. Linesman are told to keep their flag down but if no goal occurs then play carries on. Except every decision affects the run of play so either all offsides should be dealt with by VAR and linesman keep their flags down and play is pulled back when an offside is detected or linesmen deal with it as in the past and we deal with the odd bad decision.

6.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 06:24:32
Although now I think about it. how long is allowed between a foul not seen by the ref and a goal for the foul not to be considered in the build up? Can a ref give a yellow card retrospectively after seeing said foul on the VAR system or not considering he saw the incident before and didn’t consider it a foul or is that silly rule just confined to committees who review the game.

{Ed025's Note - its all very complicated frankie, i think it will ruin the game myself, it will turn into something akin to american football and games will drag on while they sort out the decisions..

7.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 07:04:42
If VAR worked, Kyle Walker would've been sent off.

8.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 08:23:46
I’ve watched quite a bit of bundesliga this season and they’ve used VAR this season and it hasn’t been great. Long breaks and decisions that are made clearly by none football people.

There was a handball which led to a pen given to Leipzig in the Leipzig vs Leverkusen game this weekend which was never a deliberate handball and it was the ball literally skimmed his finger tips and still went to a Leipzig player as the ball didn’t change direction. That made it 2-2 was a massive decision and they still couldn’t make the right one.

9.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 08:24:04
I read an article last week that analysed all bad decisions and the probable affect on the outcome of the game. It looked at the real obvious ones like Liverpool's offside right in front of the linesman. It put Liverpool top of the table by 5 points.
It is a difficult one as they still gave the win to Liverpool on that one because of the final result, the way both teams played, how early it was in the game etc. City seemed to have more that affected points with a draw or 2.1 win etc. Very debatable as a first goal can change the whole game and approach of teams etc but very interesting reading.
I have a lot of United supporter friends who say Liverpool are getting all the decisions (which they have had a few) but when I spoke to them about it they were mentioning late wins against Everton and Spurs which wasn't decisions just good luck and keeping at it till the final whistle. They also seem to easily forget decisions against Liverpool like the ball moving before the free kick against Spurs and the definite penalty against Southampton.
Interesting reading not VAR but interesting!

10.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 09:04:54
We have var in Australia and it's an absolute mess! It still comes down to a human being making the end decision and they are still very able to get it wrong. Happens just about every week over here.

11.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 09:11:21
This season the VAR officials have been from the select group 1.

12.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 09:51:42
Surely as the tech improves and in time officials will get better at spotting fouls and interpreting rules?

It’ll be dodgy for a few years but no worse than ‘no VAR’ then hopefully accuracy and speed will improve.

13.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 11:12:37
I’m with you Ron. The early stages may not have been great but the World Cup showed that there is reason to be optimistic about it in the main and people were generally pleasantly surprised afterwards. VAR is not there to run the game but to change obvious refereeing errors. When the kinks are ironed out and a more seamless system is put in place I think it will only be for the benefit of the game. It certainly can't be any worse than the massive weekly mistakes made now.

14.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 15:57:17
We can only hope. They do need to be able to look at it in real time as well as slow mo though as MK pointed out Kyle Walker should of lived up to his surname.

15.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 18:00:08
Surely it can only be pulled back as long as the refs usual advantage lasts for. Even today, refs can issue yellow cards for tackles that were made minutes earlier but advantage was given. It may not be perfect and I'm not totally convinced by the stoppages, but there's no point moaning about it like you said. The technology is there and should be embraced. Just look at the Cardiff game, that result could cost that club millions and any technology that can help in those situations should be welcomed.

16.) 08 Apr 2019
08 Apr 2019 19:07:09
Bring on the robots.