23 Mar 2019 07:07:23
Morning eds
Is there a profile on Jadon Sancho?

{Ed001's Note - he hasn't played enough to get one mate. Most of his games are just sub appearances. He needs more full games.}


1.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 09:23:26
Not been massively impressed with him when I've seen him play to be honest.

His decision making is dreadful. He tries to skin the player in front of him every time when better options would've been a pass or an early cross. He loses possession 9 times out of 10 or ends up poking it back to the midfield after he's crowded out.

He is still only 18 though so he has time to develop. Frankly though, he's not good enough to start regularly at the highest level.

His market value will far exceed his actual worth right now. I see lots of people on other forums pining for him when we've got "potential" in our own ranks. Most notably Brewster who made Sancho and Hudson-Odoi look like his back up cast for the England youth sides.


2.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 10:10:39
Sancho, Hudson-Odoi, Rashford, Rice, what a crop of young talent England have.
Even I enjoyed watching them last night.
Liverpool old boy Sterling was very good too, told you he was a miss to our set-up.
I really hope that Brewster, particularly after his injury, gets to their level.


3.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 10:24:29
I must admit I've never seen him play, well I have for about 15 minutes or so. So I can't judge but a friend of mine has seen him play plenty and has said exactly what you're saying MK. He's very young and needs to learn a hell of a lot by the sounds of things, if he is a good lad and concentrates on his football over his lifestyle then who knows, maybe there's a star in there somewhere, the next few years will be interesting for him.


4.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 10:44:20
he is young and needs to learn a hell of a lot. stunning analysis for a kid. and given he is already performing at decent level in a european league and now as an international, I think English fans can get a little excited.


5.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 10:51:23
I reply to MK Scouser, usually mate we agree on stuff but this for is not fair.
The kid is 18 years of age took a very brave decision to leave everything he knows family wise footabll wise and go to a foreign country with a new language and commit to buckling down and hopefully getting a chance in the squad
Well this season he has easily been the biggest break through star in Germany, so much so that he has the highest amount of assists in Europe only matched by the great Messi himself
This has led to him being called up by his country which has to be applauded.
if im not wrong did he not make a goal for sterling on the highest level last night?
I think your assessment need to be looked at as he is 18 years of age and needs to be judged as an 18 year old
is he playing any worse then Salah is right now who is making the worng choices a lot of the time in games recently and he is a season vet compared to Sancho
for me this kid is better then wilson and will go further in football then Wilson will but I bet you will not agree
If Sancho was in our Squad coming off the bench no one would be complaining
Just can't agree when I hear people slating a youngster like Sancho who showed wisdom and guts to leave man city and go abroad
how many of us on here could of done that and achieved what he has so far at 18?


6.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 11:10:57
Sounds like your mate sees what I see then Salah; potential.

Its easy to hype him up off the back of some good cameo appearances against tired legs playing for a very attacking Dortmund team, but when he starts games he still struggles to stay in games and fades into the background. He's got magic in his feet and can produce spectacular moments, but his desire to show off or to be the star actually has an adverse affect on his game. He tries too hard I suppose, which is better than not trying at all! Ed001 is bang on though, we won't know how good he can be until he starts affecting games in which he starts and gets more time on the pitch.

I recently read an article that placed him at number 1 in the top 50 young players in world football. Hoever was 23rd and Brewster was 31st. The same article didn't even have Mbappe in the top 50 so that shows you how misguided media hype is 🤦‍♂️

If he stays grounded and improves his all around game, Sancho will be a great player for sure. He's just a little bit over rated/ hyped right now though and I am worried he's being given everything too soon because he seems to act (from an outsiders perspective) like he believes he is as good as the media say. He's certainly not worth the £100m people say he is worth, put it that way! Let's see how he reacts to his first set back; a bad season, an injury set back, media pressure etc. Then we'll see how much he wants it.


7.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 11:22:29
It was the top 50 teenagers MK, Mbappe is 20 now lol. And agree on Sancho, got a long way to go to fulfill his potential, drifts in and out of games quite a bit.


8.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 11:26:46
MK Scouser are you aware that Sancho has the most appearances this season in the whole Dortmund Squad and is the third highest goal scorer in the whole squad, and has the most assist in the whole squad not to mention in the whole of Europe
you comments are not making sense when this figures are mentioned mate sorry.


9.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 11:31:42
Johncrow, you are putting words in my mouth mate. I've not said he is a bad player anywhere. Nor have I denied his ability. Or his bravery. I can only give my honest opinion and in my opinion he is still very raw and needs to be given time before we all decide how his future will go.

2 seasons ago it was Pulisic everyone raved about in Dortmund, getting loads of goals and assists off the bench and where is he now? He has struggled to transition from prospect under no pressure to star performer. I think Chelsea may regret spending so much money on him but maybe he will bounce back from his poor season?

History is littered with examples. Januzaj, Bojan, Tello etc. It's easy to shine in a great team when nothing is expected of you and you play against tired legs with explosive pace.

Wilson is different to Sancho in that he has already over come his set backs and answered questions of his ability. After being capped at 16 years old and dubbed to Welsh Messi he stopped putting in 100% to improve and he fell off the pace completely. He then had a few injuries and it's taken 5 years for him to put himself back into contention for a long term future at Liverpool. It's still only contention though.

If anything, you bringing up Wilson just backs up my point that it is too early to call him a future star. Whilst I'm on the subject of Wilson, yes I do think he is currently better than Sancho because he can start games week in week out and improve those around him and not fade in and out of games. He's also 3 years older though and Sancho undeniably has more raw ability.

So I do agree that Sancho has the talent to go further in football than Wilson. That was just you putting words in my mouth. Jordan Ibe had the raw ability to go further than Sterling though, but he couldn't make the transition from prospect to star either.

Raw ability is just that until you harness it into consistency. If Sancho has a bad season next year the same people comparing him (even loosely) to Messi and Salah like you just have, will throw him on the scrapheap. In reality how he reacts to that adversity will be the measure of him as a character and as a player. For me, we'll see how good Sancho truly is in a couple of years and right now you should just enjoy his youthful exuberance and not put too much pressure on the lad to be something special. Potential is not guaranteed.


10.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 11:47:05
That explains that to be fair then Scholes18! Glad you understand my point though. I'm not sure what John is reading to be honest because it's not my posts 😂.


11.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 11:49:01
I don't think there has been any slating at all (on this thread) . Just the point being made that it is still too soon for him to be anointed with the keys to the kingdom. Another website has named him the at the top of the best 50 players of the next generation and written about his (supposed) desire to win the Ballon d'Or. That's a crazy amount of pressure to place on a young kid, and it usually does not turn out well. These kids are being given keys to Ferraris before knowing how to load a washing machine and doing the laundry. The probabilities all say that very few come even close to the superhuman levels they are projected to achieve.


12.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 11:51:55
I put no words in yuor mouth mate lol just simply stating facts
you initial comments where that
"His decision making is dreadful. He tries to skin the player in front of him every time when better options would've been a pass or an early cross. He loses possession 9 times out of 10 or ends up poking it back to the midfield after he's crowded out".
does that stats I quoted to your reflect your statement
you have mentioned puslic now ibe and who so ever else
We are talking only about Sancho and wilson and no one else
to someone who had never heard of sancho before yuo made him sound like our ex player Mark Gonzales all pace no common sense and passes back when he has players around him
your wrong MK and no amount of bringing in players will help that
the kid has done fantastically well so far in his career
Pulsic plays for USA no pressure to get into that squad
Wilson palys for Wales again no pressure to get into that sqaud
ibe never played for england so the comparsion are not vaild
at this age for Sancho to be a top guy for a top european team and be starting for his national team after leaving man city youth team at the start of the season is amazing imo.


13.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 12:17:44
Johncrow, stats are not relevant to the full 90 minutes performance. You can overplay 9 times out of 10 as I said, and then score or create a goal on the 1 occasion it comes off for you. Then the stats say you played well but maybe the other 9 occassions when there was a better option, you could've had a more positive overall affect on the team by making the right decision. Sancho' s best impact on the game yesterday was when he made a run in behind off the ball. Not the 10 times he ran at somebody with the ball and then gave away possession. One day he will learn that he is better off passing and then looking for a return pass if the option is available to him.

You are quoting stats and facts to me but there seems to be very little subjectivity to your argument, and no analysis. I'm not going to deny he's statistically had a good season and that he's great for his age.

Do you remember the Scouse Cafu, Jon Flanagan? His first season he was arguably the best young defender in Europe and was playing better than a lot of senior players in his position. People thought he'd be the future of the club and a potential captain. Then he got injured badly and struggled to make a come back. Then there was his controversy away from the game and now here we are 4 years later and the Scouse Cafu, was actually just the Scouse Danny Simpson.

Sancho has great stats, and once again, I'm not saying he isn't a great talent. I'm just saying I've not been as impressed by him as others. He is talked about as if he is the complete article already, but in my opinion he is not. He has magical moments rather than great performances for 90 minutes.

I'm only giving you examples because they are relevant to how football fans jump the gun all the time and overhype younger players. I know, because I've been guilty of it myself in the past and I've learned from my own mistakes. You might remember how certain I was that Brad Smith would be a great player? Making his debut for Australia and Liverpool and looking every bit a future star, blowing away youth football etc. How wrong was I then? He had a set back and didn't react in the right way.

You don't have the authority to tell me I am wrong because football is subjective, especially when talking about overall performance or young player potential. You can disagree by all means, but in my opinion he is still raw. There is no right or wrong when discussing a players ability and potential.

I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong either. You are well entitled to your opinion that Sancho is the best creative player in Europe already and better than Salah right now. I don't have to agree but football cannot be quantified by statistics.

I'll have to leave it at that because there is nothing else I can add if you have made your mind up that a subjective debate has a right and wrong side.


14.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 12:28:55
Spot on ArAy1969. Everyone knows about his talents and positive sides to his game. All I was doing was pointing out his flaws (that people are ignoring) to try and bring a bit of sensibility to the ongoing debate around him lately. I can almost guarantee his coaches aren't ignoring those flaws, and if they are they are doing him a dis-service because his potential is huge if he gets the right advice and support to improve him as a man and as a player.


15.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 13:46:21
Very interesting thread. Nice one MK and John.


16.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 13:48:26
Absolutely superb young player, think he will easily be in the top 5 players in the world by the time he is 21.he's that good. i would love us to go out and get him, and while people will say it's too much for someone that won't play. he would play, he would get a lot of game time for ANY premier league team over the season.


17.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 14:34:01
I cannot believe Dortmund and now England pick a player who gives the ball away 9 times out of 10 every game. With those stats I might lace my boots back up and give professional football another crack. I only give it away 7 to 8 times out of 10 normally.


18.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 14:48:37
Anybody who’s isn’t impressed with Jadon Sancho isn’t watching him objectively. For him to be playing the way he is at the highest level at the age of 18 is exceptional.


19.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 15:03:25
JK23, I can only assume you are not English. "9 times out of 10" is a cliché British phrase. It doesn't literally mean 90% of the time he loses possession. It just means "a lot" basically. A bit like how "unstoppable" usually just means really good. Obviously every player can be stopped!


20.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 15:13:45
MK Scouser mate, I reckon you need to watch more of Sancho. I watch dortmund whenever I can (fun team) and the lads incredible, not sure how applicable half your criticisms are. Yes stats aren't the full story but if you regularly watched the lad you'd know his were reflective of his overall game, easily the best teenager in world football. None of the examples of overhyped players you gave were performing like Sancho in a top league.

The comparison to Wilson is also a strange one, not sure how you can compare an 18 year old smashing it at the highest level to a 22 year old in the championship. I'm a massive Wilson fan and hope he plays a part next year but they're not in the same league and never have been.


21.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 15:40:05
Mk I am born and bread British mate and my job has allowed me to travel the world and I believe 9 out of 10 is 90% in every country I have been too. Anyway mate I read further down you said sarcasm is lost on people and clearly mine was lost here. No way do I lose the the ball 7-8 times out of 10 I am literally like the modern day Alonso.


22.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 16:29:57
Yeah it went over my head JK23. My bad 😂

I got the exact reaction I expected overall to be honest though. Not jumping on the hype train and maintaining a degree of scelticism is always controversial!

Have a good day lads.


23.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 17:43:13
Put it this way when he decides he wants to return to England the whole top 6 in Europe's best league will be beating Dortmunds door down trying to get him.


24.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 20:21:00
Hardly a case of jumping on a hype train, lad's been fantastic all season and in youth leagues. Less scelticism more empty criticism, but to each their own. At the end of the day it is a game.


25.) 23 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 21:58:28
Empty criticism would be baseless abuse with no explanation or constructive points. Patronisation is not going to change my mind is it.


26.) 24 Mar 2019
23 Mar 2019 23:59:32
I don’t think there is a ‘hype train’ going on with Sancho, I think most people just agree that he is one of the best teenagers in the world right now. Of course he isn’t worth £100 million, no 18 year old is, Mbappe wasn’t worth £160 million when PSG bought him a couple of years ago.

At that age though you are also paying for potential and Sancho has bags of it, if he keeps improving over the next 2-3 years £100 million will look like a bargain. The truth is that no 18 year old is playing close to his level right now, most of them are still playing reserve team football or sitting on the bench.


27.) 24 Mar 2019
24 Mar 2019 06:26:07
Good Morning all brilliant discussion yesterday with a lot of back tracking by MK Scouser lol but this is what this site is for good open discussion about all things football
MK thank you for debating with me sir and I hope no hard feelings and more then likley your next point (as I usually do ) I will 100 percent agree with
Have a good day mate and to all who took part yesterday.


28.) 24 Mar 2019
24 Mar 2019 08:39:02
Whatever you want to call it Smeg, there is a massive movement bigging him up.

Transfermarkt for example, already have him ranked as the 23rd most valuable player on the planet at £72,000,000, 1st in the Bundesliga, and 4th amongst English footballers.

He probably is one of the best 18 year olds on current form. I haven't questioned that. I just said I wasn't "massively" impressed. When I heard people talking about him I went looking expecting to see an 18 year old at the level of Messi, Owen, Fowler etc. That's not to say I didn't watch him and think he was fantastic for his age. I just wasn't as massively impressed as others.

I've seen it all before at Dortmund in terms of teenagers thriving but then fading rapidly or flopping after a big move put a bit of pressure on them. Gotze, Dembele, Pulisic etc. So I'm just wary of saying Sancho is going to be in the "top 5" players in the world off the back of 6 months. That's all.

It was a good debate John though I disagree there was any backtracking. I think you just misinterpreted my first post. I guess it does read a little negatively if you skim it quickly. Agree to disagree, and no hard feelings.


29.) 24 Mar 2019
24 Mar 2019 08:40:19
I think Johncrow and MK agree 9 times out of 10, or maybe 7-8 times 😄.