07 Feb 2019 19:06:03
Hi Reds and Eds,

I would like to start a convo/ debate about something that has been eating at me since the doomers and gloomers have already told us to not bother playing out the season anymore cos well, we've bottled it, whatever the heck that means.

I see that such people are very quick to give up, call players names, call them and the manager bottlers. Then something started to dawn on me. Are the players and manager bottlers or are these fans the true bottlers? What I'm trying to say is that are these fans projecting their own mental, weakness, their own lack of belief, lack of "bottle" and inability to dare to dream on these players?

I mean, if these players and manager were as gutless and useless as they are made out to be, would we be where we are today? I mean, you CANNOT get to where we have gotten to, stared City down all season long, took their top spot and they had to play one game more just to be top on GD, if you lack any type of belief, courage, determination and what's that word again? Ah yes, bottle. I mean, that can't be right, right?

So here is what I'm saying. I believe that these fans are the ones who actually lack the bottle, courage and belief to do what the players are actually doing as in, stare City down and dare to take them on. They lack the fortitude to support their team in the face of immense odds. They lack the belief in a manager who has succeeded where NOBODY gave him a chance and did not grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth (managerial speaking) . At the sight of any type of disappointment or adversity, they cave, throw their toys out of the pram and run to their safe space, wherever that is. I am happy that they are a minority and do not represent the true LFC family.

Regardless of what the media, these doom and gloomers say, LFC haven't bottled a damn thing. In fact, Pep said after the Everton game that City would drop points and he would know. He's lost 4 times and counting this season alone. So it is time to gather ourselves, stare down adversity w/ o blinking, go to Anfield and every other PL ground and GIVE IT LOADS for the boys and this manager.

This team and manager that put us in the position we are in, deserve that much. That regardless of how frustrating it has been, should NOT be forgotten. If we allow fear to overcome us then we don't deserve to win the PL, plain and simple. We HAVE to get these boys over the line with our un-quenching and relentless support. We have to. We have NO choice. Red Till I'm Dead!


1.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 19:28:30
Brilliant post wolf! I couldn’t have said that any better myself.


2.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 19:33:36
Spot on red. It’s a sad fact that some would rather talk down our chances so they don’t feel so bad or lose face if we don’t win. Then they can say I told you so and hail themselves as an all knowing football god.
It’s just much easier for some people to cope in this way rather than bigging us up like they should only to leave themselves open to disappointment.
I’m sure you’ll get lots of replies about how they’re ‘only giving their honest opinion’ and how they are ‘realists’ but if fact they are scared to dream and be disappointed. If you don’t raise your hopes too high you’ve got less distance to fall.
Great post mate, keep dreaming we are having this league this season! YNWA!


3.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 20:54:42
BB, I fully agree with you that these fans would rather wallow in their own self-victimization and self pity so that if we were to falter, they can see themselves as geniuses who called it before it happened. So in the end, they are only interested in being right as if being right has ever won anyone a damn sausage in sports. On another note, people talk about pressure. If you don't want to have the type of pressure that we have now then the solution is simple: DON'T SUPPORT A TEAM THAT IS TOP OF THE PL AND TRYING TO WIN IT.


4.) 07 Feb 2019
07 feb 2019 21:43:53
brilliant post, redwolf,
there is obviously a media agenda to get city crowned as champions as soon as possible, and the worst people pushing this agenda is the pundits.
after the leicester city game rio ferdinand said lfc looked nervous, next day all the pundits were saying the same, what a load of bollocks, these people just play the shout and to think these twats get paid for this rubbish.
lfc are having a blip just like city had a few weeks ago, lfc haven’t come this far
just to fade away at the business end, klopp has installed more balls in them than that, we as fans need to see through this bluster and stick together starting on saturday against bournemouth, we as fans need to bring our a game because every home game now will be like a final, this could be a very special season and the team need our help more than anything, the next twist in this title race could be crucial. c'mon redmen. he’s our centre half.


5.) 07 Feb 2019
07 Feb 2019 22:59:49
Why are fans turning on each other. Why can't people have their say and their own opinions without the knee jerk reactions and criticisms. Does it really effect the title outcome because Geoff 46 from Stockport had a little moan on a Liverpool banter site. I think some people take themselves a little bit too seriously.


6.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 01:11:26
Well Said JK23, after all this a website based on opinions.

Those that have been positive have some good valid points but so have those that have been a little critical.

I think the problem is that both camps interpret each others opinions in to the extreme.


7.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 03:36:07
If every Liverpool supporter is positive, will we win the game? Will it even improve the outcome? Im all for keeping our chins up and getting behind the team but a bit of debate (without abuse) can be highly constructive and for that you need differing viewpoint, including those with half-empty glasses.


8.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 08:46:46
Or maybe some fans need to take a step back and look at things from a wider perspective instead of accusing other posters of "taking themselves too seriously" cos they can't argue their point. You can have an opinion and voice your frustration at a result and that much is fine. That is clearly NOT the issue I brought up as that is lo hanging fruit.

Now, you can argue your point honestly as a glass half-full/ empty person w/ o resorting to childhood petulance and doom n gloom perspective. People who act like petulant children cos they did not get their way is lot voicing an opinion. People who trash the manager and players, calling them every name in the book or sending death threats cos they did not get their way, is NOT voicing an opinion. That is not "constructive criticism". That is intellectual bankruptcy, self entitled nonsense aimed to incite chaos for NO bloody reason. Oh n by the way, what people say on SM (from Stockport or wherever) DOES affect the players and their ability on the pitch so it DOES affect the result.

If we are going to debate the issues honestly then let us do it by offering true constructive criticism and nuanced arguments. Agree or disagree BUT at least, we argue the issues honestly. I will NOT challenge petulant children who are only interested in being right or lack the "bottle" to support their team come what may n regardless of how frustrating it could be at times. That is the main point here. Cheers and YNWA!


9.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 09:46:23
Why do fans need to take a step back Redwolf? I don’t agree with loads of people’s comments on here. But I love reading them. People are entitled to their own opinions and comments without others trying to force their opinions onto lthem. Just because someone shares a different view point doesn’t make them petulant, trolls or less of a fan than the next person. For me the petulant ones are the people who need to get off their high horses and enjoy and respect everyone’s opinions without being offended by everything. If the lads get the win tomorrow I’m looking forward to Klopp saying that win was because of Redwolfs comments on the banter group.


10.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 10:10:34
Redwolf I’m not really after turning this into an argument and my original comment was aimed at the post and thread and not just you in general (as I actually enjoy reading your comments although I don’t always agree with them) . I’m just sick and tired of seeing LFC fans turning on each other this last week or so just because they have a different opinion. I’ve been a LFC fan for 37 years and I’m big enough and old enough to not need people to tell me how I can and cannot feel after a win or loss. I’m very much the the positive canp and still believe we will win the league but it doesn’t make me think I am a better fan than the fans who don’t think we can win it. I used to be a regular poster on here but have eased off lately as it feels like people aren’t allowed to express their own opinion without being jumped on and accused of being a troll. Just my 2 pence worth.


11.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 11:21:56
JK, thanks for the compliment as I don't mind reading your posts either even tho they can get on my nerves at times, lol. I and many others, are not trying to be better fans than anyone else neither am I saying or telling you how to feel after a game regardless of result.

Also like I have posted many times, you are free to post your frustration after a result and give it loads. It is the OTT nonsensical stuff insulting the players, the manager or sending death threats cos a player made a mistake in a game, that is my beef. That is unconscionable and I like many others, will NEVER accept that. Those are not opinions. Those are not honest debates about the issues. That is slander and should NEVER be accepted.

I mean, If everyone was allowed to do that then why do the Ed's delete abusive comments? Could it be cos it is reprehensible behavior that should NEVER be accepted in the public square? Exactly. Perspective and taking a step back is ALWAYS needed otherwise you're going to lose your head. If that was not the case then, why do the Ed's or Ed025 (who is not even one of us) preach it? I maintain that those fans who are losing their marbles and acting like petulant children cos LFC did not win a game are the REAL bottlers who can't take the heat. Why did Shanks say, "If you can't support us when we lose, don't support us when we win"? He was telling the fans to toughen up, suck it up and get back to supporting the team. Was he a moron too?

Like I mentioned, if these people don't want to handle the pressure of challenging at the highest level like we have been doing since Klopp walked in the door then, they can always support Celtic. There, they don't have to deal with any of that. Supporting LFC is not for bottlers, end of story. Cheers, man!


12.) 08 Feb 2019
08 Feb 2019 14:44:35
Redwolf I’M glad some OF my POSTS get on your NERVES lol. Not really sure where death threats came from as that was never in the discussion. Anyway moving on 3 points tomoz and everyone will be happy again.