13 Nov 2018 16:59:02
I for one cannot understand the negativity about how we are playing considering the healthy position we have found ourselves in this season.

Bloody hell, we are not seeing the mother of it all fast paced action this season we are used to but maybe Klopp saw a shining light bulb and realised that leaving a GK exposed will perhaps see us collecting more points. Enough said.

Alisson has improved us on a vulcanic scale but does not mean he would have conceded less than what he has seeing a team ahead of him leaving him exposed.

The football we saw last season was simply mouthwatering to watch but it shows that Klopp is not a one trick pony and willing to make changes.

The fact that we are only 2 points off of City speaks volumes compared to LFC figting for 4th last season at the same stage after 12 games :-o.

1.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:13:08
We are 12 games in and not really playing well.
4 of those games we were lucky in.
Another 4 could quite easily gone on to loose.
I can understand comments like yours, but you have to be realistic and ask up to what point can u go and not play well? We are a a third in to the season, how long do you realistically expect to keep this not playing well but only 2 points behind city mantra?

The wheels will come off and then we will be far more than 2 points behind, then what will we say?

City are excellent and worse is other teams are afraid to go there and play them.
Also do honestly believe they are worried by our stuttering form?

I do not belive in the WC syndrome at all. If anything, when you play at the WC you are even more ampted up to do well, both in that competition but also in the league.

It also shoild not take 12 games for a very good coach like Klopp to realise what is the issue and apply a fix to it.

Another issue is that as time progresses and this stuttering form presists, then players will become more and more anxious in games which causes more stress and more probability to loose.

I don't belive we have been play this poor by design, I think there is something wrong that does need to addressed as soon as possible.

It is not about being negative bit it is also not about being blindley optimist over how we are playing.

2.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:25:12
We are playing well, our league position proves that, we are just playing differently to last season, more professionally.
I remember united winning the title several times especially in fergies later years by playing professional, grinding out results week after week, I don’t remember them playing so called heavy metal football, smashing teams 6-5 every week.
Last year we had pretty football, this year we have a title challenge.

3.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:30:16
Very well said Mikey.

4.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:33:32
The fact that you can say the wheels will come off just shows the level of fans we have.

I can understand if we were midtable and all hope lost but this season has brought out the true Liverpool fan. One of LFC deserve it all :-o.

5.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:46:24
Red kurd, well said you have stated exactly my thoughts to perfection. You managed to sum up all my posts this season in one go.
Well said good sir, its good to see I am not the only one that feels we are very fortunate to be in 2nd place.
Ive said before but really see Arsenal doing really well and taking our 2nd place.

{Ed025's Note - thats all we need...another walter.. :)

6.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:46:58
I wouldn't say negativity I would say expectations of how well we know we can play. You can still be solid at the back and move the ball quicker up front and take teams apart.

7.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:47:03
Red Kurd, you don't know if the wheels will fall off so no need posting absolutist stuff. That's just the reality. Now, we can all agree that we need to improve so that to me, is not in dispute. What is in dispute is how people just lose their stuff cos we did not beat Fulham 5-0. That is just crazy. They seem to forget that we struggled last season as well at this point BUT the diff. is that we are 12 points better off, with a GK of epic talent and a much better defence. Our boys are also very effective and efficient in their play even tho, they must improve. Also, the football we played last season brought us NO title challenge for the reasons and we finished the season on our knees physically. That type of football will not win you the PL cos it is unsustainable over a long period and Klopp has realized that.

Maxlfc, the reason why I thin, people are going overboard is cos they are obsessed with City and judge everything we do thru the prism of what City is doing. I have said it before, if people want to do that then that is a choice they have chosen to make so they should not be surprised if they are losing their marbles cos we don't win games the way City does. Personally, I don't care about them and in fact, we are out to take their crown so we need to focus on ourselves, improve our shortcomings and go from there. People may not think we can do it and that is fine. Klopp thinks we can and I'm riding with him till the end. YNWA!

8.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:52:23
Resoecgt all opinion as always but the post from Red Kurd must be a wind up surely?
We are second and yet your still unhappy you do realise there is only one team above us right in the table
So if we can play this bad in your well informed opinion and still be seocnd then what happens when we start playing well?
Some people will always find the misery in happiness which is sad tbh.

9.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 18:54:18
If Bobby n Mane pull their finger out and start playing, the "form" will look a lot better.

10.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 19:03:05
John, I think Walter made a second account mate ;) .

11.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 19:05:33
Max your comments are bordering on being silly.
My comments are aimed at the fact there is nothing wrong with aiming for perfection.
Do you think Pep, Jose or Sari or even Fregi back in the day would put
Do you think any of them would be content with this stuttering?
Do you not think it would be fixed by now if it was any of them?

How can you say we are playing well when there has been at least 4 games we could have lost and 4 games where we had luck on our side?

Been supporting LFC since a long time and fans like me - who care enough to actually want to win every game and win in style will always demand perfection and nothing else.
Why be content and settle for 2nd place or third place oe any other apart from winning the league.

Do you think in our current form we will win the league?

Why can we not tey to do better?
Whats wrong with that?
Always aiming to improve.

{Ed025's Note - although its negative you do make some valid points red kurd..

12.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 19:12:45
Does not seem like Walter is getting it all when it comes to his corn flakes in the morning.

13.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 19:23:29
I think we could all benefit from a little bit of nuance.

Yes, we're in a very good position, but it isn't completely unreasonable to be concerned that the performances haven't been great and to worry that we may get punished if we continue to play like that. It's kinda gone beyond a slow start at this point.

Equally, there's no need to go overboard with doom and gloom because we haven't blown teams away. And I think any negativity is partially influenced by the performances of Man City as much as our own. If they weren't there with the expectation that they're going to drop sod all points, or were at the level they were at 2-3 years ago, I think we'd be a lot less worried.

14.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 19:23:54
I’m interested Red Kurd genuinely. What 4 games could we have lost? And what 4 games did we have luck on our side? I’ll bet you in every single one I could give you a counter argument.
Point is if you think negatively you will always see the negative in every game and say ‘but if that had gone in we could’ve lost’.
Try just enjoying it mate you’ll live longer.

15.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 19:29:57
Whilst I agree that you can always improve if you are only happy with perfection then you will be unhappy most of your life. We are currently second with our best ever start to a premier league season and the 10th best premier league start of all time. Some of the complaints on here sound like a hysterical child!

{Ed025's Note - no argument from me there kramer..

16.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 19:31:12
Put it this way, I’d rather be winning 1-0 or 2-0 as apposed 5-4 with a shoddy defence. The great Liverpool sides of the 70’s and 80’s were built on a solid defence.

These scrappy wins actually shows how far we’ve come defensively compared to last season, in fact even longer, for as long as I can remember since Hodgson was at the helm.

As for the World Cup, for me it has had an effect, not so much fatigue but not having a proper pre season together, folk seem underestimate the importance of pre season.

Plus, the team has been set up differently, not so gung ho with the press etc, I actually think we’ve done well!

I think Ed001 mentioned that the team are now looking to get back into the pressing style of last season.

Yes we’ve been lucky at times but so has every team that have won the league in recent years.

17.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 19:22:41
Rekurdle, I said nothing about playing well. In which way do you want us to improve?

Winning each match?

*Evil laugh*.

18.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 21:01:54
Johncrow and BRover - you both make the same point in slightly different ways.
However the facts are we have improved since last season - but city have also improved and become more effeciant and stable - so there is still a gap - so why can we not aim to ckose up that gap?
Otherwise we are always chasing the pack.


To say end of last season we were on our knews is an exageration to say the least.
We lost the City were not on their knews fighting 4 fronts - eaxh for most of their way. They also had more players at the WC than us.

Please don't waste time telling me about squad depth of Man City - this is something that will always happen if do not keep aiming for improvments, if not for any other reason then for the fact your rivals will always improve around you.

12 games we have had and we have not improved are really looking that blindly to not notice we need to improve if we are to win the title - are you?

Weare not obbsessed with city and that shows how short sighted you are if you think this.
We are obssesed with winning and constantly winning - this is what is required in such an intense enviroment of 6 clubs that could lay a steak on winning.
Do you know much about winning? Have a look at documentries or interviews of those who have won greatly and constantly won in their field and you will see a common theme which is that they were obssesed about being the best and winning - this is the difference between Ronaldo and Messi - 1 with talent and 1 with an obsession of winning.

Wanting to win and being a winner is very different from your mentality which seems to be one that it is okay to constantly not win and not address the issuea behind why we do not win year after year and then to defelct respinsibility and ownership of the issues, they blame other fans for "picking out reasons to be deliberatly negative. '

There are 4 types of fans;

1 - a realistic fan who knows what they will be able to achive and is content with that - you would class these as Negative Red Walter types.

2 - those who are determined to win and just want to win. They want the issues fixed and the team playing for the badge and the fans.

3 - those that are happy with their team even though there obvious and glaring issues that need to be addressed but they still think their team is great - this the BRover and Salah type.

4 - those that jump on the band waggon when team is winning and then turn to the other extreme when we end up with nothing - this is the type that made death threats to Karius after the CL final.


Bottom line I think Janmo76 above put perfectly.
Last season we were scoring for fun and play sublime football but leaking goals.
This season we are not leaking goals but play like we can not string 3 passes together and find it hard to score.
Why can we not have the best of both.
Fergie did it, Jose did it at chelsea first time round, Pep has done it, Sari is close to doing it, why can we do it?

This is the type of fan we are - so kindly knock off your unfounded and deluded opinions about being negative.

19.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 21:07:58
Drogie - that's my point they are very very scrappy wins.
What game would the Fulham one would have been of they goal was not rules offside? On any other day it would have been given.
My concern is we are 12 gamea in and no one has bothered to think or to address why we are scrappy and why we are not as effeciant as before.

Did we really buy a £70mil goalkeeper and and £75mil defender to not leak goals but to be scrappy in both midfield and upfront?

But some on here just want keep banging on about gow good second place is and that we should be grateful for being second!

20.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 21:12:38
Red Kurd, you say "we could have lost 4 games" well, we did not. We have lost two in Europe which we played badly in and deserved to lose. We lost to Chelsea in the EFL in a game we should have scored 3 goals in WAY before Hazard came on and it was our inability to take our chances that cost us on the day. All these can happen. However, I'm not buying the "coulda/ shoulda/ woulda" stuff cos like they say, "if my mom had man parts, she would be my dad. She does not so she isn't my dad".

Honestly, we are trying to win the PL while trying to bed in three new midfielders and a GK whereas City's team have been together for at least, 2 seasons now (for the most part) with Mahrez being the only signing this season. What were people expecting? That we become a juggernaut from the off? Of course it will take time and the good thing is that in spite of that, we are two points off City. THAT is what we should be happy and relieved about. The table does not lie and we are what our league position says we are and I'm cool with that for the time being.

21.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 21:32:27
BRover - I live your opinions and post and read them regularly and agre with you most times.

But I donot think your a "winner" - you are a type 3 fan as I descrived above.

We have recruited the best and now we are saying to them it is okay to have a seasin off so as to get used to everything?
This is farsical theory about bedding in - when u spen £50ml to £70ml on players of thay calibre they do not need more than 5 or 6 games to bed in.

Shall wr just wait another season and foreget this one? So as they bed in?

A winning mentality is wgat you INVOKE into your teams - you do not give them time and space for failiour.

I was referring about the league games not europe.

Fulham could have gone the other way easily if their goal stood. They matched us in the first half.

Both City and Arsenal games could have actually been lost - if that was not in danger then why did we not win. We need to be beating the teams around us so as to dent their confidence.

City aimed for perfection last season and they added Mahrez in their quest for this season.
This is their approach and mentality and because of it they are the winners and we need to match that quickly.

22.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 21:42:20
Kurd

Chasing perfection is achieved through constant improvement.

This years league table points to the fact that there has been vast improvement in terms of game management.

Are we playing perfectly. No. Quite a few players have yet to hit top form. You could even argue the three up front being in that bunch.

When they do get into top gear we could be a scary team come the second half of the season.

Keita has no got going yet, shiqiri has hopefully played himself into a regular starting place. The front three need another threat joining them to link up play and create space.

I much prefer the situation we are in with obvious improvement around the corner than being second on blind luck and having not played many tough fixtures.

Its quite the opposite.

I would have bitten your hand off to be 2 points off top at this stage at the start of the season. If its the same after christmas just watch the juggernaught roll into town.

23.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 22:08:06
This time last season we were 12 points behind City, this season we are 2 points behind City, if that’s not closing the gap I don’t know what is.
You mention the Fulham offside goal as proof of us being lucky and then say we could have easily lost to Arsenal whilst neglecting to mention Mane’s goal that was incorrectly ruled out for offside.
You say Sarri is close to doing it and yet Chelsea are behind us in the league, I’m sure if you were a Chelsea supporter you’d be complaining about him.
Do you seriously think no one is bothering to address the fact that we are not playing outstanding football? Just because you aren’t seeing it doesn’t mean it isn’t being worked on.
Do you realize we have scored only 1 league goal less than this time last season and conceded 12 less, and yet you say we are not as efficient, based on what? I honestly don’t know what would make you happy.

24.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 22:09:21
I’d add a 5th type of fan:

5. The fan that is never happy no matter what happens and lives for the day that their own team lose so they can say to everyone ‘see I told you we were rubbish’. I’d put negative, Harry and Kurd in this category.

I really despise it when people are blatantly negative and call it realistic. It shows a fatal character flaw and they are exactly the type of people who will drag you down.

If everyone thought like you Kurd we’d still be living in caves and wearing wooden underpants.

25.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 22:30:12
Kurd,

Our wheel will come off, don't you think City's will and might come off too?

How sure are you that Klopp is content with whatever the form the team is on now?

Whatever the problems are, don't you think that Klopp is well aware about it and trying to address it?

You said that you aren't being negative. Your assumptions clearly show that you are.

26.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 22:51:32
Thanks for the underhand insults blinders - ironic that your user name ia blinders - you should really just cut out the last 3 alphabets and the first part.

No body has stated "I told you so" so maybe your hallucinating.
Not Harry bot walter or me.
You have typical "Mob Rule" mentality and apose anyone with a differenr point of view.
Hence qhy your so quick to paint others with differing views as negative.


Uou missed that point too - we just want to win and are concerned why are not as hood as we know we can be.

Go back and read the post Janmo76 - go back and read it.
Perfect summery, put in to simple terms.

You clearly did not read my main point of debate which is as Kramer above has suggested that we have players not playing so well yet and blah blah blah. BUT we are 12 games in to the seasom and one third of the way in to the season - so when are we going to start playing? When the gap is way too big for us to catch up?

But naieve and blikered fans like you do not like the idea of someone pointing out the obvious.

Earn your accusations some credibility by reading each of my posts and and answering each and every point in them with logical answers as to why you think I am wrong.
Adress each one of them with a question mark.

There is nothing wrong with highlighting the fact we need to improve.

You go sit on the side lines and be happy with second.

Stop comparing us with last year - that has long been over and in case your blinkers were on at full force last year - let me give the bad news - we actually won nothing, that's zero and in numbers it is still 0.

We have improved on last year, sure but so has City and Chelsea and Arsenal.

So what are you guys saying, If only there was no City this year that we would be top?
News flash; City are here and like it or not they are top and are better and we need to aim to be better then them.
Same for Arsenal and Chelsea - both of those 2 teams have improved over their 12 games and so has city - but not us. Sure we have won games but we have been very scrappy at times.

27.) 13 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 22:58:37
HaizanMSS - great points and a great post, so respect for that.

I think City will have a blip as so will we. I do not expect the wheels to come off but if we do not improve then that blip could be a bigger blip.
I was merely saying do we wait for the wheels to come off? Or do we aim to improve and address the situation now befire it happens.

I think Klopp is looking and workong on the issues - but this is 12 games in now and we have not really improved over those 12 games.

When city do have their blip - which I can not see it being a huge blip, then we need to be ready to take advantage but I do not feel our current form is enough to take an advantage.

To aim to be better and better each time is not negative, so I am not sure how you came to that conclusion.

28.) 14 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 23:00:21
Ah come off it, Kurd.

You have no problem inserting an obvious dig at people who disagree with you into your "4 types of fans" nonsense, but Bobby gives a bit back and you have a sulk about it?

Come lad, don't give out what you can't take.

29.) 14 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 23:10:52
Kurd mate.

Yes they have been scrappy wins, not sure how old you are but I’ve been around to know that Fergie didn’t win all those league titles playing free flowing football week in week out.

I remember some seasons, United used to be terrible pre Christmas but would storm the league there after.

You talk about the mismatch in midfield and a miss firing front three, I just want to say again the importance of a full pre season, which most players didn’t have after the W/ C. Our approach to games has also changed.

VVD and Alisson are two of the best signings our club has made in years and by the looks of it, Keita and Fabinho need time to settle in. When they do we will have one hell of a team.

We are all frustrated with the fact that the goals aren’t firing in left right and centre like last season but with the quality we have, I’m sure very soon they will.

No one wants second non more than me but I just feel patience is needed.

30.) 14 Nov 2018
13 Nov 2018 23:06:25
The gap is 2 points, I don’t understand why you think this is so huge. You don’t get any points for style in football. Do you think Chelsea or Spurs or Arsenal fans are panicking because they are not top of the league after 12 games. Ed002 is right Liverpool fans really are morons.

31.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 00:25:07
You are deluded mate honestly. You say stop comparing us to last year but that’s what your whole post is about. How we are not playing like we did at the back end of last year when we won nothing!
We are a bit more pragmatic this year but we are getting the job done!
You even mention Arsenal and Chelsea who drew their last games against Wolves and Everton respectively at home!
You mention Sarri and say he wouldn’t stand for 2nd when he’s not won a major trophy in his life. NOT ONE!
You say Fulham could’ve beaten us had that goal stood. IT WAS OFFSIDE! Tight but OFFSIDE!
Unlike the goal we scored against Arsenal that was miles onside. But we are lucky and Arsenal could have beat us?
City are apparently winners yet drew at Wolves and came to Anfield for a draw. Yes they had a pen but a player they signed for £60m put it over the bar. That’s not us being lucky that’s Mahrez having poor technique!
Shortly after that Salah had a chance where he just needed to lift it over Ederson but he sliced it high and wide so I could say we were unlucky not to score and win.
We are not scoring 5 and 6 every game but we are tight at the back and the forwards are doing enough to score 1 less goal than we had at this stage last season.
Honestly you can insult me all you want but it doesn’t change the fact you really have no clue what you’re talking about.
You’re incomprehensible ramblings are just embarrassing.

32.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 02:25:41
Thanks Kurd. I didn't mean to say it in negative tone, but just saying that you are being negative with your points.

I understand about wanting things to be improved. However, I just can't agree with all the points stated.

33.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 02:31:17
Drogie - I get your points mate that's why I thumbed you up.

But I feel that we are so close this season if only we could get it together properly.
My worry ia we are 12 ganes in and not fully firing - when do start to be concerned about not fully firing.
My frustrations with some of the Red's on here are that they seem to want to paint over this concern as if it does not matter.

BTW I am old enough to remember all those scrappy matches fergies teams had.
I am just hoping, we, like Fergies teams develope a winning mentality from these scrappy wins.

{Ed001's Note - you are deliberately being negative and looking for negative things. At times the team has shown some lovely attacking football, it is just not the old unprofessional everyone flooding forward style that cost us so many goals.}

34.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 02:43:06
Something Red - vakid points you make.

But I was not inserting digs, just using examples of posters who we can perhaps all relate to.

I honestly see 4 types of fans across all fans and clubs.

As I have said I do not think the wheels will come off our season but we definitley need to improve and that is very obvious. So what will it take to make us improve, do we wait for the blip or the wheels coming off?

My frustration is when you say these things others are quick paint you as negative, hence my mob rule comment.
Worst is they never really debate your post or points but just paint you as negative.

I just want us to win mate, wheather against Barcelona or against Brighton.
And I want us to improve with every game - improving with every game is the only way we will win the league or anything for that matter.

{Ed001's Note - if you try making some valid points instead of whining all is bad, perhaps people would debate those points. You start off whining and now you are whining that people are not interested in engaging with your negative whining. Not sure you can blame anyone but yourself. Quit whining and make a point.}

35.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 05:02:12
Red Kurd makes some good, if unpopular, points. Our points total is good but performances haven't been exceptional on the whole. This season has a long way to go but, at some point, we are going to come a cropper if we don't show more cohesiveness and less silly mistakes. We have ridden our luck in a number of games but id like to see us start to put teams to the sword instead luck even beginning to factor. We are capable of better performances than we have shown so far this season, regardless of our current league position. If we don't start dominating games as we are fully capable of, the lucky decisions may not start going our way and the wheels could, indeed, fall off.

{Ed001's Note - but that is not a point, it is a moan. There is no point being made as he is comparing it to last season, which was exactly the same at this point. So it is just a pointless whine from someone who has no perspective. He is not pointing out differences between last season, he has just completely forgotten it and just remembered the bits he wants to. Has no one remembered how bad we were at times in the early part of last season? A hammering at the hands of Spurs, for instance? This constant whining every season from people with no perspective is just tiresome, just like how Watford get bigged up every season for the first few weeks before they slide back down the table. If people actually bothered to look back at previous seasons they would have some perspective and might actually be able to make a point, instead of just making a completely false comparison. It is like those people talking about how school days are the best days of your life, no you are just forgetting all the crap bits and only remembering the good bits. People are doing exactly the same with football, they are only picking out the bits that suit their flawed perspective.}

36.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 06:53:02
We are not playing that poorly to warrant such an extreme post.
You play as a team, it’s not just about the midfield or the front 3. As a defensive unit we are playing much better than last season and it is foolish to think otherwise.

As for the midfield and strikers there are mitigating circumstances - the midfield has been shaken up this summer, Fabinho and Keita have come in, the Ox and Hendo have had injuries. The strikers are just not quite firing but from my observations there is not a lot wrong, they are just slightly off form.

So to sum up Kurd and Walter, I think you’re framing this in a negative way. I think this IS our blip.
City are on form, from their point of view it doesn’t get any better and they are only 2 points clear.
From our point of view we have lots of potential for improvement and we are only 2 points behind.

😛.

37.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 07:28:32
Ok here we go . A bit late but here we go :
12 games in
-Goals per match : ~2 ( 4th in league)
-cleansheets: 7 ( 1st in league)
-average possesion : close to 60 (3rd in league)
-yellow cards: 12 (least n league)
-tackles per match - 11 ( 2nd highest successful tackle rate in the league considering we have conceded the fewest goals) .
- Passing % - 85% (3rd in league)
- Highest number of possesion won in final third - 337
How excatly are we playing not upto mark?

38.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 08:14:46
Each to their own RK mate, everybody has different opinions but I'm happy to be a 'type 3' fan because in my opinion we don't have 'obvious and glaring issues' maybe we would if we'd of lost a third of our games already (example) but we're unbeaten mate and in the position we're currently in I wouldn't call anything an issue. I'm positive about this team because I believe in them, I believe in the club as a whole.

I haven't always felt this way, I've being as negative as the rest at some point in the past but this season I feel it's different and we're more than capable.

Maybe I'm blind but I really don't see where the issues are, our squad is top notch, the best it's been for years but we have issues? I'm failing to see where. Sure there could be a couple of minor adjustments but other than then I'm delighted with this squad.

The past couple of seasons all we have done is thrive and improve, that's enough for me seeing constant improvements made, it should be enough for every fan I'd of thought?

39.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 08:39:41
Personally in my opinion comparisons to last season are only useful if they suit your point. You could compare the current stats to the first 12 games of last season but what's the point? You won't have played the same 12 teams, if you did the mix of home and away would be different, the players playing would be different, managers and styles too, the weather/ pitch condition could all be different. And after all that there's 3 new teams in the league every season, there's so many variables it's pretty much pointless.

As well as that it's hard to make comparisons between us and City currently for similar reasons, we haven't played all the same teams home and away over 12 games, so how can you make comparisons? See Arsenal who have had an easier run of games and as such are higher up the league after 12 games than anticipated. The only way to judge a team is on its current season, after 38 games and the medals are dished out, stats tell whatever story you want them too.

My most humble of opinions as a professional analyst.

40.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 10:53:49
Worminator. If you are a professional analyst who doesn't believe that looking at past performance as an indicator to help to forecast future behaviour then you must be out of work right? You are right that there are many variables but for example playing Cardiff instead of Swansea gives a small variation. The fact of the matter is we have achieved a very strong points total which is proven (over many seasons! ) to be enough to a. More often than not be top at this time of the season and b. to be enough to mount a serious title challenge. The fact that the Premier League this year is far more competitive than last year should actually indicate that it is harder to achieve what we have this season in comparison to last season. So in actual fact using your logic we are doing better than we even think we are!

41.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 12:01:25
Very much in work Torben, by your point using the past 5 seasons, or as far back as you care to go forecast me the league table for this season? And when you can't, you'll see what I mean with my post.

I'd love to know the variation of playing Cardiff compared to Swansea in a season. First we need to work out the mean, what are we using transfer values, height, appearances, you choose? Then we'll work out the difference from the mean of each player, square this and divide by the number of players and that will definitely tell us how much easier it was to play Cardiff this year, compared to Swansea previously.

Or as I said ridiculous to consider unless these things match your point. Past performance is useful for things like stocks and shares, revenue projections, not prediticing Leicester will win the league one year, riddle me that one.

42.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 18:34:42
Ron I agree pretty much everything you said. Spot on mate.

Not too long ago on here I remember people saying how a team should always build their defence first and move forward from there. Our defence is looking so solid this season in comparison to last and now people are whinging about the midfield and forwards.

Wait til Keita and Fabinho fully settle and learn their roles, the Ox comes back to improve our depth and our forwards really start clicking (which is already happening recently imo) .

The seasons still got a long way to go people.

43.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 19:51:27
Spot on, Ed01. Red Kurd has been whining and moaning since his first post and has not stopped since. He has NOTHING positive to say about anything. It's all "coulda/ shoulda/ woulda" or "if's and/ or but's" and to top it off, he starts putting fans into categories/ boxes cos they disagree with the negative, whining hot air he is blowing. While at the same time, complains at others for taking pot shots at him. Playing the victim much?

Then, he asserts to us that the wheels will fall off. How do you know that? Can you tell the future? Didn't think so. This topic is very nuanced and context is required to be cohesive in getting your points across, the very thing your posts lack.

Also, do you think the rest of us can't pick out negative things to whine about or do you think you have the monopoly on that? News Flash: You don't. We choose to be measured and take all parts of our season so far (good and bad into account so as to form a more cohesive opinion. You chose to moan and that is your choice. The rest of us don't have to agree with you on that. Please, come back when you actually have a point to make and debate cos all this moaning is becoming tedious and boring.

44.) 15 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 22:33:07
Who is the original “RK” 🤔

Nice one Smallsy 👍.