25 Jul 2018 11:24:07
I read in a Norwegian newspaper that Karius is furious about klopp buying a keeper without letting him know and he is considering pushing for a move. Any truth to this?

{Ed002's Note - How can I possibly know what newspapers you have been reading.}


1.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 11:36:54
Haha legend ed2.


2.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 11:45:52
Why should klopp discuss transfers with karius? Mings is going and ward is gone not to mention his own performances. What did he expect? Play all season with only 1 keeper.


3.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 12:20:19
Haha, it's true! I witnessed StigRed reading said Norwegian newspaper, although neither he nor I actually know any Norwegian, so I can't vouch for the content or validity of what was written on the paper.


4.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 12:26:56
Brilliant Ed.


5.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 13:13:07
I can verify that not only did I read the Norwegian newspaper, I also understood what it said.
One of the perks of being Norwegian is the ability to read AND speak Norwegian.
Seeing as I need to rephrase my question I'll try this:
Is there any truth ti Karius becomibg angry with Klopp and will push for a transfer?

{Ed002's Note - I suspect Karius is miffed that he was lied to but I am astonished he hasn't already figured out that the fans have made his position at the club untenable.}


6.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 13:51:28
THE fans? My, my that horse has long legs.


7.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 13:59:56
The Fans haven't made his position untenable Ed, his performances have made that decision. He cost us a CL and he needs to go. Yes the abuse he recieved on Social media is outrageous and disgusting. And the jeering in preseason doesn't help but let's not kidd ourselves into thinking if the fans got behind him that he would suddenly become a world class keeper. He got his chance because Simon was so bad.

{Ed002's Note - So nothing to do with the fans?}


8.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 14:13:31
Request for fruitba - please explain the concept of YNWA from a Liverpool fan's perspective.


9.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 14:28:46
What did the Fans do wrong. Do u call the shower that abused Karuis fans? I dont. YNWA means sticking together and because of that i hope karuis goes on and has a great career. but liverpool fc is bigger than any one player and karuis needs to be replaced which has happened. id rather see him go and play than be 2nd choice as it will do him no good sitting on Liverpool's bench this yr.

{Ed002's Note - Pitiful to read this.}


10.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 14:37:00
Just because it doesn't suit your narrative ed. All liverpool fans tarred with the one brush. Sure why not stick with Karuis in goal and struggle yet again this year just so we can all post YNWA. Klopp seen we needed a new keeper and got one, after that I couldn't care less what you think. And i guarntee I am in the majority.

{Ed002's Note - Try not to be a complete cretin. Where have I said "all" Liverpool fans.}


11.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 14:53:09
Ed im not going to argue the point with you, but you constantly refer to "Liverpool fans" its never "some" Liverpool fans so ill take it u mean all them. You seem to have a problem with how Karius has been treated by the club, i think he has had plenty of opportunities to stake a claim and isn't good enough. As i said nobody deserves the abuse he is and has been getting but it still doenst mask the fact he iant good enough and needs to be moved on.

{Ed002's Note - Perhaps you should search on "some liverpool" and then come back and apologise. Karius has been treated badly by "some fans" to an intolerable level that the police had to become involed. Klopp has repeatedly opened his mouth in public about the goalkeepers and most of it has resulted in being embarrassing.}


12.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 14:59:20
Mate, anybody who identifies as the fan of a club is a fan. We have no bearing on who is a fan of what, and our opinion of them and their actions means literally nothing.

The people who went out and spewed abuse at him on social media, the people who were adamant that he wasn't good enough, all these people made his position at the club untenable because they were vocal and public and "In your face" about it, instead of keeping their opinions to the forums and the living rooms. It gets to a point where the club has no choice but to do something, you just usually only see this level of vitriol with managers.
At the same time though, Karius is a human being with actual feelings, not just a shirt and a pair of gloves. He doesn't deserve the level of abuse he gets from his own fans. No one does. Hence the concept of YNWA. We've got your back. The mancs might have a go, but we've got your back. Media might be on at you but we've got your back. Couple of poor performances? We've got your back. You're one of us, as long as you'll have us.

That's not the type of thing that should be broken by a couple of errors, or some bad games. Yet Karius gets demonized left right and centre. I'm not talking about the criticism, I'm talking about the public execution of his reputation and career. I'm talking about the lack of support from a fan base that supposedly prides itself in supporting people. I'm talking about him being left to walk alone.

YNWA might as well be a joke at this point.


13.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 15:02:14
If someone posted that the eds said something, you would assume they were grouping you all together and, depending on if you agreed or not, would no doubt correct them about it. I have seen it done more than once.

I am not sure that the fans have made his position untenable. Some persons, maybe. His errors and ability, probably. But, I am not sure that the fans have caused Liverpool to spend a world record fee on a new keeper, more that the management deemed it was necessary to compete at the top.

{Ed001's Note - stop reaching, it doesn't matter if it is all the fans or not, it is enough of them to make it a problem.}


14.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 15:25:54
Also, from what I've gathered, YNWA means stop complaining unless you're allowed to complain because everyone agrees. Otherwise, It will be used as a hypocritical stick to hit you with to tell you that you are wrong.

I will repeat again in case anybody thinks I dislike any of our players, I don't mind one way or the other where the players end up playing, be it Salah or Karius. One constantly frustrates more than any other, but I don't go on about him because I support the team I am watching, and the style of play on display.

What I don't like is the club's motto being thrown around as an argument to say 'I win, I win, your opinion is not valid because it contradicts a song lyric'. None of us started supporting Liverpool because of the clubs morals and if you did, you are a poor, misguided fool. We're no better than any other club our motto means no more than 'Prepared' or 'Arte et Labore', just like Carlsberg definitely isn't the best beer in the world, It's a slogan. Everyone who uses YNWA as argument for anything, get off your pedestals. Respect your fellow man, that's more like it. Disagree with them, great, you're human, get over it.


15.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 15:29:29
Ed Ill apologize if i have pissed you off, im not trying to start an argument with you. I come on here and usually don't read a post unless it has a reply from one of you eds. But i just don't see Karius having a future now and its down to his ability nothing else. his confidence is shot to pieces due to his errors which are being highlighted and scrutinized now because of fan reaction. Again ill say the abuse and threats he is receiving is outrageous, this man has a family which is more important than any game/ sport but he needs to move on to restart his career and I hope that he goes away and rediscovers whatever it is that made him so highly regarded in Germany before we signed him.

{Ed002's Note - I don't see him having a future either and the club and Klopp should have spoken with him and dealt with it properly. They didn't and the problems have started again. I don't want you to apologise for pissing me off, but I have never attempted to tar the Liverpool fans with the same brush. Although you are all knuckledragging morons, you are my knuckledragging morons. Enjoy the rest of your day.}


16.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 15:35:25
If that really is the case, Ed, then fair enough. I didn't think it was. I've watched all but one friendly and haven't noticed much more than would be expected. Some jeers, but mainly from the opposition. I don't do the other internet stuff, so pay virtually zero notice to any of it and if the club does, they've lost some of my respect, especially by appeasing them to such a degree. Show the persons the way to make a change is by abuse? Ridiculous.

It just irritates out of me when people refer to 'the fans'. The abusive voices do no represent me and I know I am in the majority with that line of thought. Call them 'the scumbags', or 'the antifans' or whatever. Just not 'the fans'.

{Ed001's Note - but they are fans. The point is that people like you distancing yourself from them is not helping. What is needed is for people to stand up to them, rather than pretending they are not a part of the club. We will end up with ultras otherwise.}


17.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 16:09:45
Do we want to win the major honours in football or not? This is a cut throat business unfortunately and if your given the chance and deemed not good enough you should be replaced at the very highest level. As angry bardzo says, we’re hiding behind a motto or a traditional way of thinking in regards to the treatment of players, in the modern game this isn’t a reality, at any of the top clubs in the game. Migs got every opportunity to make it work at Liverpool and never did, and was always a mistake prone player even when he showed flashes of brilliance. It’s the exact same situation for Karius but even worse I’d say, why let history repeat itself because ‘we want to do it the right way’ or because of YNWA. None of the other clubs would do that and none of their fans can tell me otherwise, so why should we. It’s time to be ruthless if we want to achieve the highest honours, the abuse and all the extra stuff is what’s getting the bad press, but the criticism of Karius performances are warranted and he’s the only one that can change that. If it’s the criticism that made his position untenable then he’s mentally weak and isn’t what we need to win things, he made the mistakes no one else. And it’s not just a couple of games or a couple of mistakes he’s made a series of errors over his Liverpool career. The champions league final was the straw that broke the camels back especially after suffering the same sort of stuff for years with migs.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that Kman..


18.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 16:37:35
' Although you are all knuckledragging morons, you are my knuckledragging morons. '

Hahaha! you are a legend Ed2. I hope life is treating you well mate.


19.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 17:09:24
You make a very fair point, Ed and if I were able to have the chance, I would. Sites like this can easily (ish) be policed and, to be fair to yourselves, everyone of the regulars here and those just passing through, most morons get dealt with pretty swiftly. It's the rest of the internet that is the problem. Whatever Facebook, Twitter and (add global conglomerate website here) else say about their policies, they are largely unmoderatable platforms so I have no idea what could be done. Any suggestions?

Good man 002.

{Ed001's Note - your choices are either shout louder on those platforms or refuse to be a part of them. There is not really a lot else you can do, if you are on them and not disputing the imbeciles then it is implicit agreement with them.}


20.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 17:47:48
Where was the YNWA when speaking about Sturridge or Klyne or Mignolet or countless other players a lot felt were not good enough?
Dont take it the wrong way, posting in a site that we feel Karius is not good enough is not the same as abusing him!


21.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 17:54:37
It's okay to critisize players who don't perform.

Clyne gets it, Moreno gets it. For god sake, even Henderson gets it. One of the best cms in the Premier league.

I agree that karius needed replacing but I think he should stay at Liverpool while he regains his confidence.

He didn't lose us a CL. It's hard to say but Madrid were the better team. He made mistakes but to say he was solely responsible for us losing the CL is naive. You could say mane lost it Coz he put his shots wide, which is also a mistake.

Liverpool fans made his position untenable. That is a fair statement fruitba. It doesn't mean all liverpool fans. "Liverpool fans get in a taxi" doesn't mean 40 000 fans got in a taxi.

The boos and death threats are pathetic but it's been at away games in the states. I wonder if it would happen at anfield? I don't think so but I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

Ynwa isn't a charity. Otherwise ballotelli would still be up front. Its a poetic way of saying "we love you" to the players and its sung to spur our boys on and to not give up. It doesn't mean however bad you are we will still play you and love you. Otherwise liverpool would not have won the many many trophies they have.


22.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 17:59:05
Unsurprisingly there are persons in the world, I think it is rather silly/ naive of the Ed’s to even refer to the people in question as ‘fans’, in much the same way many people of the faith do not view the extremists within their faith as representative or affiliated with them at all. Those people are not fans, they are mindless persons. How can you possibly claim to ‘support’ or be a ‘fan’ of a club while simultaneously sending the players death threats? That’s not normal human behaviour.

Regardless of that, Karius has made his own position within the club untenable. I can understand why he would be upset at klopp decision to buy a new goalkeeper but his comments since then have come across as very ungracious and quite arrogant. He had every right to be replaced as he had many chances and let everyone affiliated with the club down. If he was really that bothered, he would have shut down all his social media, sent his wife and kids off somewhere nice and spent the entire summer training his arse off; you know, like Henderson, Keita and alisson have all offered to do? But he hasn’t done that, has he. He clearly has a very high opinion of himself, but does not have the respect of his fellow professionals anymore, I think Firminos comments after the Brazil friendly are good evidence of that. He has made his own position untenable, regardless of what abuse he has been getting.

{Ed001's Note - and yet those idiots, fanatics whatever you want to call them are followers of the same religion/faith etc and so it doesn't matter what the likes of you want, they are seen as part of it by everyone else. Just disassociating yourself from them does nothing but run away and hide from the problem or shift the blame.}


23.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 18:06:53
Bardzo, you say YNWA is just a slogan like many other clubs use. To you that may be so, but go and ask Rafa and Stevie G what they could hear being sung at half time during the 2005 CL Final. And what effect it had on the players.
What might be meaningless to you could be far more significant to those who have supported the club from the days of Shankly and onwards from there.


24.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 18:12:06
Ed’s while I agree the abuse suffered by karius e. g. the cancer posts were disgusting, there will always be persons in the world, as much as other fans and the club tries to stop them, it is an impossible task. As soon as one person it reprimanded, another takes his place, it is simply the way of the world in the social media age!

{Ed001's Note - so your answer is to just let them carry on? Great idea if you want that to be all there is in the world.}


25.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 18:37:06
Duly noted, Ed. Seems a losing battle is in action here. The only way I can see is the removal of social media, or Liverpool as a social media entity and banning of players from all public social platforms.

Flash, You'll Never Walk Alone is a wonderful stadium song, but the things that makes the song so inspirational is not the lyrics, but the composition and the fact that everyone is singing it. I'm sure it is more significant to those guys because they were shoulder to shoulder on the terraces and that's the point, it's not as relevant anymore. Plus, as I said, it's a song, not a moral code used as a reason for telling someone off for having a different opinion.


26.) 25 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 18:17:56
I'm not sure about the 'implicit agreement' thing Ed002 - I've tried disagreeing with people on social media and it can get quite intimidating, especially, for example, if you're using an area specific forum where there's a chance the person you're arguing with could hunt you down easily. I once had to take myself off a certain local Facebook site after a comment about people not picking up their dog poop descended into personal threats. I'm not saying it's ideal but sometimes you really need to turn the other cheek just in case the keyboard warriors turn nasty on you.

{Ed002's Note - I am not entirely sure what you are saying but the point is the damage has been done and it needs to stop.}


27.) 26 Jul 2018
25 Jul 2018 19:04:12
I don’t see what way there is to stop them ed001, twitter and Instagram gives these persons a platform and as I said in my previous post, even if their accounts are deleted or they are even arrested for hate crimes, there are too many of them to stop them.

{Ed001's Note - but everyone knows those sites give them a platform and carry on using them. So you are as much to blame as anyone else if you carry on.}


28.) 26 Jul 2018
26 Jul 2018 06:03:07
My point Ed002, maybe vaguely put, was that a right thinking person will most likely get similar levels of abuse by the kind of retard who thinks it's OK to make death/ violence threats via social media. The football forums I see are littered with that kind of crap, even big institutions like the BBC and The Guardian allow it to go on with little monitoring so it's too easy for persons to spout their bile and there is little that the likes if us can do about it I'm afraid.