11 Jul 2018 10:50:20
Ed02 firstly I come in peace. Hopefully we can have a civilized chat. Look I totally get your ill feelings toward the Liverpool supporters that use social media or even this site as a platform to send disgusting threats to any of our players or other players of other teams. I must add that obviously in this technological advanced society that we now live in, messages and personal thoughts are posted at a faster rate as well as to a bigger audience (twitter etc) . Obviously I'm not teaching you anything new here but I genuinely feel this isn't a "Liverpool" problem as such but rather a generational change in mindset or the same mindset passed on but now with a bigger platform to be voiced and heard. Once again I'm not disagreeing with you but maybe pointing out a larger problem in football/ generation rather specifically LFC.
As for the Klopp debate. I genuinely think and I wasn't closely following this site during the brendan days, that we backed him till literally things started falling apart. His style wasn't attractive enough and also felt his recruitment and more importantly who he could attract wasn't good enough for Liverpool football club. Was he an upgrade on Roy Hodgson and CO? Certainly, but I think he took us as far as he could possibly go. In comes Klopp. Now in the footballing world (as fans) I've met very few people that can honestly say they dislike Kloppo but rather "I don't enjoy Liverpool but i don't mind Klopp". Now probably irrelevant to the argument but I believe most of the time Jurgen does know how to play to the media and actually gets away with it a lot of the time whereas somebody like Mourinho wouldnt. That's purely his personality and it's a huge bonus for us as a club to be having a likeable character at the helm of our team. Very weak point I agree but it is something to add. From where he has taken us and in such short space of time is quite remarkable. I've never witnessed such breathtaking football in my supporting days and I feel I deserve it to myself to enjoy this ride whilst it lasts. So the entertainment factor has been a huge bonus for him signing. As for results, well from where we were, I believe Klopp has done a very decent job. He's qualified twice for the champions league and he's put us back on track and during a very ruthless time in the Prem (pep, Jose, Wenger, conte, poch. ) .
With that I do believe his transfers on a large part have been pretty successful and if they weren't they've been for pocket change (Matip, Karius) . You once said, and it really put my red tinted glasses into perspective for me that, "Liverpool don't dine at the top table anymore". That was reference who we could attract to our club. Now I couldn't agree more with you but that was 2 years ago and I believe the quality of player that Klopp is now attracting is of a calibre far greater than Brendan could fetch and is on the upward trajectory ( Fekir, Allison and so on) . To the real debate, Karius. Do I believe he's the answer, absolutely not! Am I allowed to have that opinion? Absolutely! I enjoyed Ed25 post about this snowflake environment that we live in and how people are unable to criticize anymore! Do I believe it's Klopps bad judgement that could possibly cost us major points this year? Yes but that doesn't change my support for him. The ship is ultimately sailing in the right direction and the time for panick is nowhere on the horizon. One player won't change that or even a couple. However I am a fan and therefore have that right to criticize and complain within reason (btw I have no social media outlets) . Now I believe you have pointed out on a numerous amount of times about the tapping up incidents. My answer is I fully agree with you and really I don't know enough on the inside as you do!

Just to summarize. I support Klopp but can also criticize his tactics and players he might stick with but I'm fully against abuse and player bashing. I would fully believe that most fans feel the same as I do but because of the generation we live in, the tossers amongst us and their views seem to be amplified and overshadow genuine support and genuine criticism.

I'm fully aware this post will probably cut this site in half with opinions but I'm not trying to antagonize ed02 or pretend that my footballing knowledge overseees his. It's an opinion and I'm here to be corrected if need be. Thank you all and hopefully Ed2 you don't take this the wrong way.

{Ed002's Note - You are absolutely right it is not a problem confined to Liverpool but within the "civilized" world Liverpool lead the way. Nobody is denying that Klopp has Liverpool playing well, or at least he did for part of last season. Nobody is denying that the players and the coaching staff should be immune from anyone rationally criticizing them - they should however not need to face death threats, threats to their children and threats of having their hme set ablaze. That is unacceptable, and that is the problem.}

1.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 13:20:34
Brilliantly put, Ed.

2.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 13:37:37
I know death threats and whatever are horrible, but you'd have to imagine 90% of those are from kids aged 10-16 and the rest are just bottom feeding scum. I hope the players see that and know that their true fans are the only opinions that matter, and while we may scrutinize their performance we would never wish any ill-harm to them whatsoever. I hope to god Karius can recover and show us what he can be, but he is going to need tremendous mental strength as no matter what there will always be these kinds of 'supporters' bashing him and making him suffer.

{Ed002's Note - Obviously not, hence Klopp explaining last season that the rubbish on social media had gotten to two Liverpool players.}

3.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 13:44:57
Thanks very much Ed02 and totally agree with the above.

4.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 15:12:56
Only the "gangsta" life should have death threats. There is no other place for such vileness ex specially a god damn GAME of all thing ;_;
Luckily those idiots have never probably been to a game in their lives, never will, and have no excuse like living in another part of the country or abroad.

Karius got a great reception at chester which shows what real supporters we do have.
I don’t remember the last time i’ve heard our own fans target boos at a single player of ours before? Maybe a couple times booing the entire team after a rubbish performance in the past like.

Social media is such a toxic place it’s unbelievable at times. One person turns into a keyboard warrior and everybody else sees that and decides they want to be sheep and follow along too which spirals out of control ;_;

5.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 16:29:23
Especially* stupid fat fingers.

6.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 16:46:03
Philinho, let me introduce you to a certain Lucas Leiva who constantly got booed by our own "fans" at Anfield or on SM.

7.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 16:59:40
Which ed changed "phone" to "fat fingers"! Fekir haha
Oh shizzle yeah I forgot Lucas got booed. Was only by a small minority I think though wasn’t it and not the entire crowd? Any others you can remember BRover?

8.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 17:55:32
Well put para. If the internet has taught me one thing it's that there are some vile people out there and a lot more than I previously imagined. Hiding behind their screens it's so easy to "hope someone's child dies" god I'd batter someone who said that to my sister. (salt and vinegar, lovely) see I'm doing it! I wouldn't batter them, I'm not a fighter. I better stop digging my own grave.

9.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 18:15:19
Haha PH became a keyboard warrior for 5 seconds ;) at least you spotted it, admitted it and stopped xD

It amazes me though how vile some people can be, I wouldn’t even wish a fall on somebody let alone a form of tragedy or illness (like the scum who wish cancer on people) because i’m a HUGE believer in jinxing.

All started when my mum killed Steve Irwin! We was watching crocodile hunter and she said something along the lines of how has he not been killed yet.
A few days later he was dead!
Ever since then i’ve never questioned why somebody is alive (except myself) or wished any type of hurt on anybody.