11 Jul 2018 10:08:22
Some of you people make me absolutely sick.

One bad game, a training mishap, andr a mistake in a preseason friendly. That's literally all that it's taken for Loris Karius to become public enemy number 1.

"But it was the Champions League final. " Yeah it was, and you know who actually has every right to get on his back about that? The people who's blood sweat and tears got us there. INCLUDING HIM.

Christ, Jerzy Dudek got more respect than Loris does and he dropped a clanger every single week. As opposed to 1 bad game in 6 months

As for preseason friendlies against Tranmere, have you ever been on one of those work things where you sit in a room and listen to some old guy talk boring at you for 2 and half hours (No offense ed002)? The ones where you start drifting off after the first 20 minutes and never really recover? Welcome to the footballing equivalent.

When did You'll Never Walk Alone become "Mess up and you're on your own buddy? "

If he was dropping clangers every week like Djimi Traore or Jerzy Dudek, then that's maybe in the relms of understandability. But he isn't. He had some great games last season but 1 bad performance has been enough for some of the posters on here to decide that they have nothing better to do than force him out of the club, and out of football.

Bitter persons.


1.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 10:35:42
If you drop two clangers like that in the one game that in your whole career it really does matter, it suggests a mental weakness. No one is questioning him as a person, that would make a mockery of YNWA, it is his ability to help Liverpool become champions of anything going forward. It is not difficult nor cold, callous or personal. Managers drop and replace players all the time, to them it is their job. Having an opinion about which ones get dropped or replaced is our prerogative as fans and followers of the club of our choosing. I didn't hear much sympathy from folks when Traore was shown the door, or Coates, or Aquilani etc etc etc.

This Karius thing really has become a moral debate over a football one and it is ridiculous. It really is ok for people to say whether they think he is good enough or not. It's not bitter, just an opinion.

{Ed001's Note - it suggests nothing of the sort. It suggests he made two errors in a game. Brucie was about as far from mentally weak as it comes, yet he made major clangers in big games at times. Stop trying to further your agenda by making up nonsense you have no idea about.}

2.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 10:55:35
Sorry Ed, have to disagree on this one as you have no idea what I have an idea about and what I don't. I have no agenda anyway. I have previously said I have no particular strong feelings in one direction or the other about him other than he doesn't seem to be anything other than an average keeper for this level. To me you're trying to further an agenda by focusing on one point and not what the post was saying overall. My agenda is to try to make people realise that Karius shouldn't be immune to criticism any more than any other player and that the criticism of him is not hatred or personal for most people who are offering it. Yet, people want to jump on it as abuse regardless of the fact.

{Ed001's Note - because you rendered your whole post as pointless with the nonsense at the beginning. You clearly do not know and could not possibly know Karius's mental strength, so please do not try and pretend to be capable of knowing so. Perhaps if you stuck to valid points instead of made up nonsense it would help. My agenda is to stop crap like you just posted about his mental strength, nothing else. If you want to criticise fine, that's your choice, but you should stop making up nonsense to try and push your opinion down everyone's else throats like it is somehow more valid than anyone else's. Which it clearly isn't.}

3.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 10:56:50
I have tried to stay out of this but this witch hunt is getting ridiculous. It showed mental strenght coming back for pre season despite the death threats. But to say he showed mental weakness in the finak while knowing he was suffering from concussion is just. well there are no words.

So what's next, another plane flying a banner? Wow.

4.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 11:28:47
Whatever Ed, my opinion is no more valid, but then nor is anyone else's and yet people post on here with strong insinuations one way or the other, including a lot of the forum's favourites, so are they trying shove it down other people's throats? I guess not. If you had read previous posts of mine, which I don't expect you could have had time, inclination, or ability to have done, you would see that my opinion is not based on any one thing, but if you're telling me that concentration is nothing to do with mentality, then fine. I just don't believe that people should be able to tell others about who they can criticise or if they can criticise at all and use the clubs motto as justification. It's as weak an argument as anything I have ever said. If I believed Karius was the answer to all of our prayers, I would still hold that view.

{Ed001's Note - did I say any of that crap? No you are again making stuff up to suit your own agenda. I said making a mistake is not indicative of mental strength. Concentration is irrelevant here, the guy had concussion which could have caused the lack of concentration quite easily. He could have a weak mentality too, I have no idea, but a mistake in any game is not indicative of that at all. In fact this is pointless, I am done with you and your twisting of everything into some kind of ridiculous reason to dig out Karius over his mentality, while pretending you are not.}

5.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 11:31:57
Also, kindly take me off your witch hunt list, It's a coming. I have no overly strong position on whether he stays or goes either way, which I have said repeatedly.

6.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 11:37:15
It's interesting that there has actually been a valid medical reason for the mistakes (though I think it's probably a combination of the medical and just having an off game) yet the above poster is completely ignoring the actual medically diagnosed reason in favour of a non diagnosed psychological reason for which he is not qualified to give.

As a person working in the field of sports psychology I can tell you that not every clanger in a game is because of mental weakness. People make mistakes, everyone does. The attitude of mistake =weakness is exactly the reason I am employed by various sports to eradicate that type of thinking.

7.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 11:45:06
But ed name 1 single game were we can say if it wasn't for karius we would of lose.

Every keeper makes mistakes, we all bladdy understand that but for every mistake de gea makes he redeems it the following week with 4 or 5 top saves

Karius just does not do that

And at what point do we go ok this kid is a nice lad, a red but unfortunately he isn't good enough.

At what point do we put our success first and foremost.

And another thing if he had over single handily won us the champions league and Madrid came knocking, would he show us the same respect and that were meant to show him.

You can't ask people to just give blind faith. There has to be something we can cling onto. For example Salah has earned a few seasons of utter crap after last year because we all know how good he is so it might just be a confidence thing. Same as Danny. People still think he can find himself again.

Karius has just not earned that right, to make mistake after mistake m, release corny videos, act like de gea whilst performing like a league 2 gk

He does not deserve death threats or anything so people need to curb that but the pressure and exodctation he does.

It took 4 years to finally admit mignolet was dross. Let's not that time again.

There's a reason klopp wanted butland. Let's not forget that!

{Ed001's Note - sorry what? What on earth are you gibbering on about? This is nothing to do with anything I have said. If you could actually stop repeatedly slamming your one-eyed opinions down everyone's throats for long enough to read what other people said, it would do us all a favour because I am bored of reading your repetitive crap. Just stop banging the damn drum and try understanding what other people have said, then you might realise that you are just wasting my time with that crap. In fact, take this as a warning that your repetitive attacks on Karius are boring and I will give you a break from the site if you don't stop. There is little point you being on here when you never read anything anyone else says anyway.}

8.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 11:54:52
I just wish people would be consistent. If it’s not ok to comment on Karius’s mistakes or bad games then why is it ok to criticise Mignolet’s or Bogdan’s mistakes or bad games, Clyne’s poor defending/ crossing/ games, Lallana’s use of the ball, Matip’s poor concentration, Lovren’s brain freezes?

Before anyone starts I’m not talking about threatening him or his family but no-one has done that on these pages to my knowledge.

{Ed001's Note - but no one is saying that, why are you even going there? More nonsense. The problem isn't about commenting on his mistakes or criticising his ability, the problem is that people push nonsense psychological bull down people's throats to attack him. If they would stick to talking about his ability and criticising that, then there would not be this big issue. Or making ridiculous overblown claims without adding any balance.}

9.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 11:57:59
I will just say flat out we need a new keeper thought it before the champs league final and think it after he is not the standard required too win us a league or cup finals .

{Ed001's Note - and I have said a similar thing too. I think we need an upgrade, but it has to be an upgrade, not just buying a replacement to appease the boo boys. If there is not a truly top class keeper available, then the money is better spent in other areas of weakness until one becomes available.}

10.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 12:21:16
Ok ed, I’m not referring to this particular thread, just the general feeling on the posts today. I’ve been asked to stop criticising him, which I will reluctantly now down to, but I don’t understand why people want him to get special treatment. It’s unfair on the others.

Overblown claims I would class some as “banter” but it’s hard to define especially with pure text.

Regarding the medical diagnosis, I don’t think it’s a factor last night. He struggles with shots fired STRAIGHT at him, it happened at Bournemouth, CL Final and Last night. It’s a huge technical flaw which any half decent opposition manager will exploit with ease.

{Ed001's Note - I have no problem with your assessment at all, but people, and no I don't mean you, are just being dicks about it. Banter would be lighthearted, but none of it is lighthearted or funny.}

11.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 12:37:56
Sorry ed. I Just want us to do so well and it's frustrating seing a fix and nothing getting done about it

Then the thought of having something similar as the champions league happen again.

I'll leave it now. I won't justattack the kid. I'm more annoyed at the club and klopp not finding something.

I wouldn't mind at all someone like fahrmann, older and could mentor karius, would give him someone with he sane language.

{Ed001's Note - I understand but we need a change of record. This subject is just getting boring.}

12.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 12:58:47
Alvy, you're making mistake that you think it's down to one game, in two years there have been a number of examples where he has struggled. The final was the culmination of people's opinion of him, not the start.

13.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 12:59:52
Stoke drew 1-1 with Leicester last season when a driven cross straight at Butland hit him in the chest and went straight in. De Gea and Muslera both spilled shots straight at them into the net in the last fortnight too. It's a tough position because if you make a mistake there is rarely anyone to bail you out.

14.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 13:15:39
Slightly different as Vardy was running across the path of the ball to try and get a touch and clearly distracted Butland - there’s no doubt it was a mistake, but it’s not a recurring one.

15.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 13:16:56
But de saves them at least 12 points a season and muslera didn't concede a single goal all tournament up until thag point.

They all redeem themselves. Karius has to do thag before we can give him a free pass for any mistakes.

That is it now from me on this subject.

16.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 14:48:04
MK, stop it. You are speaking too much sense. I saw those Butland and Muslera mistakes as well BUT clearly, me and you were the only ones who saw those, LOL.

I agree with you, Ed. People instead of criticizing Karius' weak points on the pitch, they starting pulling out crap like "he is mentally weak" or "lacks the bottle" or "he is a bottler" or anything psychological to butress their point W/ O actually being medically qualified to give such analysis and use it as a stick to beat him with. That is nonsense and many are guilty of that.

They have NEVER met nor spoken to Karius in person to guage his mental makeup yet they sit on their arses, giving psychological diagnosis on a subject they know nothing about. As for making a mistake being a sign of mental weakness, DDG was the worst GK at this WC. Does that suddenly make him mentally weak? Again, abject nonsense. What makes you mentally weak or strong is not that you make the mistake. It is how you can come back from it that matters and you don't need a degree in sports psy. to know that.

And to those saying Karius is getting special treatment, they must be leaving in dream/ cloud coo-coo land. He is getting death threats as we speak after having what I call a set-back vs Tramere in a FRIENDLY for that matter BUT hey to them, that is special treatment. YIKES!

17.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 16:45:19
it’s not just the mistakes though, although everybody only moans about them. He also gets beat on the inside post far too often. Nobody seems to mention this and they just focus on his worst/ recent mistakes but covering the near post is something every keeper should be able to do. Yes sometimes every keeper can get beat at the near post but 9 times out of 10 they should be covering it enough to force the attacker to try for far post.

Tranmeres 2nd goal confused me as at first I thought it deflected off the inside of Karius's left leg and megged him, but then the replay showed it didn’t. He was beat on the inside again.

18.) 11 Jul 2018
11 Jul 2018 16:34:50
The thing I don't get is that this 'mistake' against Tranmere is not really a bad or uncommon mistake.

A shot was rifled at him from 20 yards and he got everything behind the shot to stop it. How the hell is he reasonably expected to catch it? The mistake is that he pushed it back into the danger zone. It's definitely a mistake, but it's a mistake I see every game from every keeper in world football.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Gordon Pickford (real name Jordan, before the media Christened him the second coming of Banks) not push a shot back out into the same area against Sweden? Yes he did. The difference is, Henderson reacted and bailed him out, and Pickford was named man of the match.

Amazing how the media can influence opinion so much. In my opinion, Karius has made a slight error, but the biggest error is that none of the defenders reacted to clear or block the rebound. Karius should've pushed it wider than he did, but it's easier said than done when it's blasted at your chest like that.

Someone blasted it at Butland last season and it hit his chest and went straight into the net. The same Butland who is supposedly the saviour according to some people also slaughtering Karius. Go figure.

Seems like a massive over reaction to me because people love to kick a man whilst he's down. Cowards love easy targets.