16 Jun 2018 06:56:59
Can someone please explain to me how De Gea's howler suddenly turned into open season and slating on Karius again? Some of the stuff I have read over the last few pages is nothing short of embarrassing. I fully understand Ed002's low opinion on the type of fans many Liverpool supporters seem to be.

1.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 08:25:45
Agreed Brisbane it's getting daft, again. All I'm going to say is, Karius IN! . If he's going to be our number 1 next season which I fully expect, he needs our support. He gets mine, good luck to the lad.

2.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 08:38:35
Agreed salah! As I keep saying, if he works hard on his concentration and distribution we could have a top keeper in karius.

3.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 08:53:24
As one who had fun with DDG making two mistakes (he was partly to blame for that free kick as his wall placement and positioning that cost Spain the points, what I for me, was saying was that the "experts" on these boards have a knack of making such sweeping, illogical statements like "DDG would never have made the mistakes Karius made vs RM' or "A top class GK does not make those Karius mistakes in a big game". That was royally debunked last night and the "experts" can't deal with this "stunning" realization so what did they do? They deflect. "So are you saying Karius is better than DDG" or "If you think Karius is good enough then you are dreaming", blah, blah, blah as if hat is the point of the debate which it is not and never was. Hence, the Karius bashing. The fact of the matter that they can't come to terms with is that Show me a GK who has never made a mistake and I will show you one who has never played a game in his life. DDG is prone to mistakes just like Karius is, FACT.

4.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 09:04:15
Bang right salah at end of day we are supporters and that's what we need to do support our players instead of critizing and putting them down.
One thing is for sure if he is still our number1 next season and the games I go to I will certainly be singing his name and will give him and klopp 100% backing.

5.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 10:31:32
The thing is De Gea has earnt the right to make a mistake after years of being the best keeper in the prem. Karius has looked ropey throughout his Liverpool career and made 2 huge mistakes not 1.
I didn’t want Karius is goal next season prior to the final, like a lot of fans, the final just verified my thoughts. Pro Karius fans seem to be putting them both at the same level after yesterday which is ludicrous, Have you ever watched a game and thought without Karius we wouldn’t have got a result? I can’t off the top of my head, Utd fans regularally feel this with DDG.
I’m not trying to slag Karius off I’m just reacting to fans who now think Karius is now an adequate keeper because DDG made a mistake.

6.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 11:02:26
Completely agree Cobra666 exactly what I was trying to say last night on here. I will support Karius if Klopp decides to keep him as I am not a fickle fan and would love a success story but would rather Klopp pushed for a solid keeper. This reacting to DDG mistake or mistakes he made last night is slightly embarrassing as DDG has for many years been the best keeper in the league, arguably best keeper in the world and is human and entitled to the odd mistake here and there, that is why I never judge Karius on just the Champions League final but on how he has been since he joined.

7.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 11:14:50
I think some people on this forum like to hold onto any glimmer of hope they have that Karius is "the one" so they try to make something out of another keepers error who has been by far the best PL keeper in years. Cobra666 first comments are correct for me.

8.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 12:31:10
Irish Rover and Gobra666, I am not saying any of that and again, both of you fail to address the salient point being made here so again, you are deflecting. Someone said DDG has earned the right to make the mistakes he made. And how long did it take him to be great? Was it over 50 games like Karius or over 200 plus during which FErgie was so lost that the senior players had to be consulted on what to do with DDG (Source: Rio Ferdinand)? Either way, that is not the point here.

News flash: He STILL made mistakes that cost Spain, end of story. This convo was for those who kept spouting that nonsense that (A GK can never make mistakes". Moral of the story? EVERY GK makes mistakes. DDG's mistakes debunked That is what is being addressed here, and not the non-argument of "So Karius is now better than DDG" or "Some are still hoping for him to be the one. Those are conversations no one is having but you. I for one, am not saying that neither am I bothered as that is for Klopp to decide.

9.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 14:18:51
BRover, what you're not recognising is that some mistakes are more serious and can have career-changing consequences.
Mention Peter Bonetti to any England fan and there will probably be a little sigh before mentioning the World Cup 1970.
It was also his last ever England cap.
He was a very good keeper, and played on for his club sides for years afterwards but never got another international appearance.

If Karius drops a few bloopers, particularly if they cost Liverpool points, he's going to be hard-pressed to recover.
How can you have Salah at one end, and a problem at the other?

10.) 17 Jun 2018
17 Jun 2018 15:30:36
Don't care who played what and when. Karius isn't good enough and there will be a media circus surrounding him next season with everyone waiting for his next mistake, it's unfair on the lad, and he'll totally damage his carrer if he stays with us, how can someone develop under that much scrutiny and pressure. Thank him for trying but for us and himself he needs to rebuild his carrer elsewhere. Oh and hendos brother, were not supporters were customers.

11.) 17 Jun 2018
17 Jun 2018 15:35:27
I don’t think anyone is slating Karius, it’s called an open discussion, the summer is the time to discuss these things. If Karius is our number 1 when the season starts I will support him but until that time I will continue to advocate for a new goalkeeper.