15 Jun 2018 19:49:53
A wonder if de gea will get as much stick as Karius that was just as bad it really does go to show even the best and experienced keepers make howlers, never mind a young inexperienced keeper. I feel the haters will still get the planes and banners to get Karius out tho.
Just goes to show people need to lay of the kid and give him a bloody change .

1.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:14:12
Behave yourself Hendos.
No one thinks that karius isn't good enough because of camps league final. It was the last of many unforced errors. The kid isn't currently good enough. I can't see some of our high profile players sticking around if he continues in goal.

2.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:29:24
Completely agree Hendo.
An to top it off, De Gea also had a very slow start to his career in England and made the occasional howler. And apparently still does. Hell, I don't think I can mention a single "world class" keeper who hasn't made a howler. Neuer, Lehman, Courtois, Schmeichel (Peter of course), Oblak, De Gea, Cech, Kahn. The list goes on. People need to chill the hell out.
I would be more than happy to stick with Karius and let him develope more and more. It's not easy being the goalkeeper at Liverpool at the moment since it's the position we as supporters analyze/ criticize the most, but I think Karius has done really well to cement his place and he deserves to be shown some faith.

On a side note. I recall a game last season (don't recall against who) where everyone's beloved Allison pulled a complete brainfart and let a very simple backpass in. Make of that what you will.

3.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:33:55
HB, I saw the error and I laughed so hard. Not at DDG but at those "experts" on here who keep spouting that a top class GK would not make the same mistake (s) Karius made in a high profile game esp. those who keep making statements like "DDG would never have made this or that mistake" as if they know anything about football being an exact science which is isn't.

Well, many of us knew that footie is NOT an exact science and here is the proof. Here is another in a log list of high profile errors in the biggest stage by for me, the top GK in world football, period. Lesson to the ITK's: This can happen to ANYONE in ANY game.

4.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:39:18
DDG has a long history of excellence, Karius does not, it is not the same situation.

5.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:45:23
Well said red mate.
Langland u need to behave and get that silly childish streak out of you lad but am sure u would of done better?
Ur just another person that wants to attack every player that makes a mistake, why would players want to leave because of a goalkeeper playing this isn't school football lad, there is plenty of players don't get on but they don't leave the club because of it, what a foolish thing to say.

6.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:53:47
Well said brover mate u will still get them winging but hey a suppose and hope a lot of people end up eating some lovely humble pie mate.
You know what get me tho when supporters like Langland come out with our high profile players will leave if he Carey's on in goal, a mean come on this is perfessional football not high school. Am not playing for the club because he is ner ner ner ner. A think some of our supporters need to grow the hell up man.
Personally a hope he does stay and prove them all wrong rather than waste money, one thing I do know is I will still be going to anfield and supporting karius if he keeps his place in klopp We trust matey.

7.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:17:15
Hendo, completely agree. It is the typical low-hanging fruit argument (or lack thereof) that we have come to love and enjoy from people who cannot make logical arguments to support their point. "Our best players will leave cos Karius is in goal". Now, that one takes the biscuit. If that was the case, then what da heck are the likes of Bobby, Cou (till he left), Mane and the rest still doing here cos Migs poor showing overall was enough for them to leave.

8.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:19:54
Putneyred, YES it is, IMO This is not a comparison btw both Karius and DDG as that is a false argument. The point here which I'm sure you know, is that ANY GK can make a mistake in high profile games and this point was directed at the ITK's who spent the whole post-CL final, saying "had we had a DDG, we would not have conceded the goals Karius did". DDG's error for the upteenth time, disproves that. That is the point being made here.

Oh and by the way, DDG did not make one mistake. He made TWO. Check his positioning on the free kick and the HUGE gap he left in his goal. I saw that and knew that if CR7 could get the ball over the wall, he would NEVER get there. And BOOM went the goal. WHO KNEW, right? DDG cost his team the points tonight. I guess he's human anyway. Had Karius done that on a free kick, we would be all over him and rightfully so. Again, not the point. GK's make mistakes regardless of their standing, end of story.

9.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:22:32
No way on earth was that error as bad as either of Karius’.

Ronaldo was about on the edge of the box with defenders in front of him obstructing his view. Bale was 30 yards away and Karius had a good view and plenty of time to get behind it.

10.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:29:02
Well said .

11.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:29:02
Well said .

12.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:48:41
Brover, I'm fairly certain not one person has said that.

The point is 'is Karius good enough? '. What has he done in two years to demonstrate that he is? He's been competent for sure but that's not what we want. The idea that he's going to become a great goalkeeper if we just wait long enough is the sort of backward thinking that results in Migs being our No 1 for 5 years. We need a great goalkeeper, we don't have one at the moment.

13.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:51:02
Brover I will not even say "not everyone is saying that" I will say I am saying, to the point of everyone will leave because of Karuis you raised which is in reference to the post I made.

Again I will simply refer you back to my post and again simply ask you to read over it again, either you are typing in emotions, not reading it properly in turn missing the point I was making or like I said you did indeed read it correctly and in that case again we will have to agree to disagree.

I said and please others can jump in and correct me if I am wrong, that we have a great attack with some special players most noticeably but not exclusively Salah, Mane and Firmino. its our keeper which is the weak link not helped with the midfield we had and the lack of partnership for VVD.

I did not mention the midfield in my post as we seem to have addressed that with our transfers thus far with Keita and Fabinho. This leaves the keeper as the main weak link, which is a key area along with the attacking midfield and a solid partner for VVD.

If these positions are not addressed then we will struggle to challenge for trophies, which is not a far fetched statement to make. Simple logic dictates that a lack of silverware if we are following the trend in football leads to your top players in particular the special ones whether its reluctantly or not looking to leave.

14.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:52:59
Well said HB.

15.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 21:52:59
Well said HB.

16.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:07:30
Brover is right that is exactly the point of this post and considering I was the op I should no Putney.

17.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:09:30
Alonso mate it wasn't you that said that your getting mixed up pal it was Langland that said it fella.

18.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:20:17
De gea is a million times better than Karius.

19.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:21:04
Agen alonso mate what did we win with dudek in goal and he is no better than karius my friend everyone deserves a second chance the point being we haven't seen enough of Katius to judge him get like brover has said previously I can remember the red side of Manchester in the first season or 2 when ddg signed they wanted him gone and how has that turned out may I ask? It's a matter of opinions and in mine I believe Karius is good enough and with some good old coaching can be a very very good goal keeper, some of us reds just don't want to give him the chance which I believe is wrong.
Look how aspas has turned out different position yes, but didn't enjoy himself with us yet now he is in the spainish national team,
But this whole post is what brover is saying that everybody was saying if we had ddg he wouldn't of made those mistakes yet he makes two howlers tonight!
Not much a disagree with you ron mate but I believe u are been to hasty this time and jumping on the young lads back does it matter which was worse the point is they both cost there team in big games mate.

20.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:25:19
Ron, a mistake is still a mistake and Karius is less experienced than DDG and as DDG is the far better GK, he should be held to a higher standard, IMO. Again, a mistake is a mistake and DDG made two mistakes in the game, end of story. Why? the first one needs no introduction. The second one was stupid.

How do you allow CR7 85% of the goal to aim at on a free kick. You are literally daring him to get it over the wall and his positioning made sure that he would have NO chance in hell of getting anywhere near it should the ball get over the wall. There was only one place Ronaldo could aim at and DDG still gave himself no chance to get to it. That is just stupidity and at its worst for a player that good and that experienced.

Had Karius done that, you would be all over him cos well to you, be can do nothing right so why has the rules changed with DDG? If Karius was in goal today, he would be responsible for both goals just as DDG is now and frankly, he knows it. Just look at his expression after the free kick went in.

21.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:31:20
Putney, At what point did I say Karius would be a great GK or would come good, in my post? Typical. I see you did not address the real point that started this thread NOR did you read the post I sent to you specifically so carry on w/ an argument or conversation that I'm not having if that floats your boat.

Again, the convo is not whether DDG is better than Karius or whether Karius deserves to be no. 1. We are talking about the false, nonsensical thinking that a top GK cannot make mistakes in big games, which is what the ITK's told us after the CL final. DDG debunked that nonsensical talking point, royally today and that is a fact that I will continue to laugh at till further notice. Cheers, my friend.

22.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:38:47
Karius is not in the same league as de gea.

23.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:42:03
I think it’s possibly the biggest decision of Klopps reign so far and the one area of the team he has shown indecisiveness
He has to decide if Karius can come back mentally from this and also do his teammates think he can because if they don’t have trust in him then there will be more problems ahead.
He is going to get pelters next season and even home games say he drops a cross you can see the crowd getting on edge
I would love him to come good but personally think he has some basic technical flaws in his game like he always seems to parry shots back into the danger zone and not out wide
Anyway big decision to be made and as you can see from this site opinion is split.

24.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:45:01
Yes brover that is how it is my friend you have got it spot on lad a howler is a howler reguardless of which is worse.
Well said mate it's a shame our fans can justify spending 80million on a goalkeeper what's the world coming to.

25.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 22:45:17
Hendos Brother, I never judged Karius on the final performance alone as I know everyone makes mistakes and have never posted anything to contradict that. Karius was better towards the end of last season but overall has been shaky to say the least, whereas De Gea puts out how many 10/ 10 performances over how many years so can be forgiven for having a few howlers.

I did say earlier in my post that everyone loves a success story and would love to see him turn from zero to hero but the risks are huge and if its a choice between seeing Karius have his success story or putting my team first then I put my team first.

If Klopp decides to stick with Karius then I will support him like I do with any of our player just saying I would rather do what it takes to get in a solid keeper this window that's all.

26.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 23:32:06
Brover, who is it that's ever said that top goalkeepers can't make mistakes?

27.) 16 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 23:51:01
Alonso what was ddg first two seasons at old trafford like? No better than karius first two seasons lad. Ddg is now a seasoned pro at old Trafford, but he didn't have the best of times in the beginning a don't really know how to put it any simpler as u are missing the point and comparing them now .
Squizza everything you mention is bad coaching mate a decent coach would be teach and telling him what he is doing wrong maybe that is the problem at Liverpool the keeper coaching as it seems weird how every goaly goes downhill with us even riena.
Liverpool and prince did you even read my op if pritty obvious that you haven't nobody is saying that Karius is better than ddg

28.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 00:10:06
Putney?,? What is up with everybody going way of cause with the op if it was golf most of you would be out of bounds man. That should be the end of this post it is crazy absolute crazy how people cannit understand what this thread started out but dicide to just blabber on about something totally irelavent brover and a few others I have enjoyed chatting about what this was about am going to leave it now as my head is that battered with posters rabbiting and spewing crap about something totally different to what it started out as, not to worry it is what it is a suppose.

29.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 03:41:47
Someone said that mistake was as bad as Karius’s.

I’m calling that as bull. You have to be wearing some pretty strange lenses to think that was anywhere near as bad as throwing the ball at a striker to go in the goal or letting a 30 yard shot going straight at you through your hands.

30.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 06:46:33
Rob mate this post started because people where saying ha do we had ddg in that final he wouldn't of made mistakes like karius, now it doesn't really matter what way you look at it ronaldos second goal was a bad mistake only18 yards out and went thu ddg. Point been all keepers make mistakes it's pritty silly to say that howler was worse than that one at end of day they cost there team thru a mistake it's simple really.

31.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 08:32:47
Hendo, you used what DDG did as a reason to defend Karius, I simply pointed out the two issues were completly unrelated. Everything since then has been responding to what other people have said to me.

32.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 09:24:37
Ron, are we comparing howlers now? Well if that is what we are doing then safe to say that DDG's error was just as bad as Karius and since, I'm not doing that, a howler is a howler is a howler etc. Both GK's made two mistakes in big games, Fact. No GK is immunned to making mistakes, FACT. Cheers, man.

33.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 09:25:51
Putney, Hendo's Bro has explained what the whole thread was about as he was the OP YET you keep having a conversation that no one else is having and has nothing to do with the point that started the thread. I call that deflection. Cheers, man.

34.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 09:26:58
Hendo's Bro, the prob is that these people seem to be "triggered" that we dared use Karius and DDG in the same sentence. That is what their prob is which is why they can't seem to grasp the point of the thread. Typical, really.

35.) 16 Jun 2018
16 Jun 2018 09:46:32
Ok, I'm going to post one last time, Brover, my first response directly related to the OP, everything since then has been a direct response to what you have said to me, if I'm off topic it's because you took me there.