14 Jun 2018 17:45:13
Ref the goalie situation. I'd be happy if Real go all out for De Gea after the WC leaving Navas available for a reasonable fee. That would seriously weaken one our direct rivals and at the same time I think Navas would improve us. I know he can be erratic at times but check out his 2nd half performance against Bayern in the CL semi. He was brave as you like and pulled off a good variety of stops. Definitely would give me more confidence (and I suspect our back 4) than Karius.

1.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 17:56:30
So you're saying Navas is better than Karius? lol please. I don't have the time to get into debate but come on man?

Karius as number 1 for me!

2.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 18:20:03
OP before th final, the Navas debate came up and frankly, it was a dead issue. Why? It was general consensus that Navas is poorer than Karius and frankly, Karius was judged to be better and Klopp only wanted him as his competition, NOT his replacement mind you.

He is a flapper, poor with his feet, and severely error-prone. I mean, you need to go watch his games which I have this season and he was dreadful at times. There was a game vs Betis where he was directly responsible for 2 of the 3 goals RM conceded and trust me, there is a whole lot more where that came from. So if Karius was better than Navas even by Klopp's standards before the final, what changed? The two errors he committed? So just cos of that he is now inferior to Navas? Ain't buying it.

2 errors in albeit a CL final, does/ should NOT remove from the fact that over the season, Karius was the better GK and Navas made WAY more mistakes that led to goals than Karius. In fact, Karius only made about 4 mistakes in all comps. that led to goals. Navas made 2 in one game vs Betis alone.

3.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 18:39:24
BRover did you see Navas against England? He was at fault for the goals again. Absolutely awful keeper and one to avoid.

4.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:04:23
Thanks Frankly for making that point and I did not even watch the England game. But don't worry, those who want just another GK (regardless of how poor he is) to come in cos they have made up their minds that Karius should be gone and are prolly not willing to give the kid a chance, will be back to tout another poor GK as a viable replacement.

5.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:17:18
Karius will never recover from that game IMO.

6.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:35:35
Karius impressed initially when handed the No.1 jersey but even ignoring the final, we need better. Albeit a decent shot stopper I never feel entirely at ease with him. I want a keeper to have a presence and organise. Stats may say he makes less mistakes than some other keepers but will he save us 10/ 15 points a season like De Gea and others? It’s just my opinion that I think Butland would be a good option. I think he is a better keeper than Karius, has experience in the prem and would cost nowhere near as much as others touted. No way a dig at Karius but if we are serious about winning the league we need better.

7.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:40:21
Karius was and never will be the answer for Liverpool. He has done nothing to suggest he can cope with the demands of playing for a club with the aspirations of winning a premier league title. A lot of posters in the second half of the season made our keeper out to be some sort of god with "world class" saves which simply wasn't the case. For me he is no where near the standard of keeper we require, plain and simple.

8.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:40:37
Ron, people said Beckham would never recover from that sending off against Argentina. As Alan Partridge said, people bounce back.

9.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:51:26
I don't see Navas as a huge improvement. He's a marginally better keeper but he isn't as suited to our style of play and he is about 9 years older.

To be blunt, I hope we go for Reina now. He's the best realistically attainable option there is and he would instantly have the support from the stands which hasn't been given to any goalkeepers at Anfield since he left.

10.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:51:47
They said Ronaldo would never recover from the World Cup final. Come on folks, you’ll never walk alone. (Unless you mess up)

11.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:54:14
And just like that I realise Reina is now pretty much set for AC Milan! Oh dear 😂.

12.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 20:42:38
I think pompey is right. Navas is a better keeper than karius. Much better. He has ucl winners medals, untold amount of domestic medals. What has Karius ever won? Nothing, in fact he almost single handedly lost a ucl final. I think only liverpool or mainz fans would claim Karius is the better keeper.

I never truly thought we would sign Alison. I don't mind who we sign but I really think we have to sign someone, that or give ward the gloves coz our defence needs to have confidence in their keeper and I don't see how we can have confidence in Karius. He ain't a terrible keeper but he has never really been good enough for a team with intentions of winning the league. We were only pleased migs was out.

We have a decent little defence, what we need is a shot stopper and navas is that.

13.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 21:42:08
Djimi Traore has a champions league medal and so does Phil Neville so that’s a non argument and a logical fallacy at best. Navas is truly a terrible keeper who would be brutally exposed for his flaws in the premier league. As England did when we played Costa Rica. He looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights whenever the ball came into the box. You could stick a log in goal for Madrid and it would likely end up getting a winners medal.

14.) 15 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 21:47:59
MK, another fine shout mate. I would welcome reina back and wonder why we let him go, like a magic mushroom realisation.

Do you think there's a chance?

15.) 15 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 21:56:42
Ron, please stop with the sweeping/ blanket statements about the future cos we all know that you nor I, know nothing about what will happen in the future or how people can bounce back.

16.) 15 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 22:04:58
AJGREDS, if we wanna win the PL we need better than BOTH Karius and Butland, period. Having said that, the whole "Butland is experienced in the PL or that he knows the PL" is complete hogwash, IMO. What does he actually know about the PL while playing for relegation fodder like Stoke? How is that an advantage over Karius who made less mistakes than him, had more clean sheets (Yes, that is a fact) than him in both the PL and CL (the most in the CL btw)? Sorry, that argument makes no sense.

The only thing Butland is good or experienced at is being poor, overrated, injury and error prone while playing for Stoke (he was there for a reason) while Karius came to us from Germany where he led lowly Mainz to EL footie for the first time in their history. Those are facts I put out, not opinions. Now, I am more than open for another GK, a TRUE upgrade on Karius, to come in BUT if that is not possible as it seems right now, then sorry, No Navas, a guy made more mistakes in three games (5 in total Betis, Juve and Bayern last season than) than Karius did in all the games he played in) or Butland who were he not English, no one would care for him, IMO.

17.) 15 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 22:51:12
Prince hendo if karious played for RM he'd have medals lol. navas is a flapper. we may as well go back to migs.

18.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 00:06:10
Don’t get me wrong Pepe is the best GK I have seen between the sticks since I started watching us in 94 but he was not perfect let’s be honest. FA cup final 2006, Andy Johnson Merseyside derby, last minute against Arsenal 2010. They all make mistakes but he still had a presence, respect and commanded the defence.

19.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 00:16:31
BRover, get your points and facts but is it fair to say that there was a slightly better defence in front of Karius? Not a witch hunt against Karius at all really wanted him to succeed and still do if he remains in goal for next season, but fear it will all end in tears.

20.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 00:49:12
Redhill, I can promise you that loris Karius will never play for real Madrid.

They can attract the very best players in the world. We blew everyone away in ucl but couldn't get close to Madrid. And they signed navas and continue to trust him as he's steered them to multiple thophies. He may not be the best in the world but he plays for the world's best team, he obviously has some talent.

21.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 06:28:46
BRover - IMO = In my opinion.

You have your opinion, you express it as much as you like. Please don’t try and prevent me from expressing mine. Debate the point not the person 🤝.

22.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 06:53:56
Well said Ron, 100% agree.

23.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 08:33:17
Prince hendo have you actually seen Navas play? Do you understand the reasoning behind why Madrid signed him? If you’d have watched Navas at any time during the last few years you’d have seen a keeper that makes epic blunders for Madrid and Costa Rica. The only reason Madrid signed him was because of how he played in the World Cup. They have been desperate to get shot of him ever since as they know what a liability he actually is.

24.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 10:16:02
Thanks for all the opinions. To be fair, Navas did impress me in that 2nd leg CL semi but apart from that I've seen very little - so he's probably not the solution for us. I'll defer to all your better informed views.

The other part of the post though was hoping RM go for De Gea after the WC to seriously weaken one of our direct rivals. Man U would be a lot more beatable without him. I'd love to see how they'd cope with half a season of an error prone keeper like Migs.

I'm not a Karius hater and I agree everyone deserves a 2nd chance but I can't shift these lingering doubts. There's also a case that the 2nd chance already came and went last season when Klopp put his full trust in him. Added to the stick he is bound to get around the country next year, I do wonder, as Ron does, whether himself and Klopp may feel a fresh start somewhere else would be best for all concerned. Sometimes the wisest move is to walk away and start again.

25.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 12:51:38
Honestly pompeyred, google ‘Navas epic fails’ it makes Mignolet look like Gigi Buffon!

26.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 20:56:58
Ron, no one is preventing you from voicing your opinions. You have one, I disagree with it that's fine. Lighten up, bro. It's a debate and nothing more. I get challenged all the time on my views and you will never see me play that card. Why? It's pretty weak.