14 Jun 2018 16:41:20
I’m curious to know why people are so set against a Butland type signing.

90% of posters on here were dead set against signing AOC and Robertson, and have since held their hands up and admitted they were wrong.

Is there not a chance the armchair scouts could be wrong again?

The Butland signing wouldn’t excite me but I’m not opposed to it either. The scouting team have done well over the last 3 windows so I’m prepared to trust them.

Bring on the disagrees 😅.


1.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 16:56:19
Because people are smarter than the Liverpool recruitment team.


2.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 18:25:37
87red and Kramer, it's called airing your opinions on a public forum for honest debate. You think Butland is good enough. I and many others disagree with that opinion hence, debate. It has nothing to do with being armchair-whatever the heck that means or knowing more than LFC's recruiting team as that is just a pointless statement as that is not a debate is for. It's a debate so feel free to join in and enjoy the back and forth or well, don't.


3.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 18:42:17
The thing is that we’ve seen Butland makes the same mistakes (and more) that Karius has been pilloried for. So why spunk £30m on him for the same as we already have? My view is that unless we can or are willing to buy an elite level keeper. Then don’t waste the money.


4.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:10:06
Frankly, you are correct BUT having watched both a lot this season (as I watch a tonne of PL games apart from those LFC participate in) and frankly, Butland not only made similar mistakes, he made MORE mistakes than Karius did. Trust me if Butland was not English, I can guarantee you that NOBODY would care for him. Butland is poor and does not even qualify as an "upgrade" to Danny Ward.


5.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:20:16
Butland has the potential to be world class, I don’t benieve Karius will ever fully recover from the CL final. It was the most public humiliation in club football.


6.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:34:25
Totally agree with Ron. Now he seems to be over his injurys I think he will blossom into a very decent keeper. He might not make world class but will be just under the top keepers.


7.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:36:17
There is airing your opinions and then there is repeating the same thing over and over and over again. Those of us who would be happy to give Butland a chance get shouted down by the naysayers who quite frankly have a terrible record when it comes to players, the Ox, VVD and Robertson being three examples.


8.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:41:29
Frankly - respect your opinion but you have to take into account that Butland has far much more to do than Karius, what worries me is that Karius could be smoking a cigar for much of games but still makes errors. Top keepers are always alert.


9.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 19:54:27
It’s a tough one right I can’t see Karius recovering either personally
Thing is our keeper may go 6 games without needing to make a proper save so we need someone who maintains concentration and focus Aswell as being good on the ball and a good organiser.


10.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 20:30:06
Butland is a mid to lower table keeper. He’s made some horrific mistakes this year. Absolute howlers under no pressure from nothing situations. There’s no point wasting any money on a keeper who is prone to dropping a bollock every game.


11.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 21:06:56
According to the official premier league statistics Butland made 1 error leading to a goal all season. Maybe you were watching a different goalkeeper.


12.) 15 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 22:13:24
Lies, damn lies and statistics. He made a hell of a lot more than just one. He dropped the ball at Everton under no pressure to gift them a goal, he gifted Spurs a goal with poor positioning and lack of concentration so the ball went straight over him, there was the goal against Leicester where he virtually threw the ball into his own net, I could go on. So no, he’s not the answer. Watch the player not useless stats.


13.) 15 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 22:21:00
Spot on, Frankly. It is interesting to see those who wanted a top GK to come in now go for the next "big" thing as no top GK will be coming in as it stands. I don't have a prob with that HOWEVER, if that next "big thing" is the poor relegated Butland from relegation fodder Stoke then there is a swamp down in Florida that I would like to sell you.

What is also funny is that some say that a guy who has NEVER played for a big club, who got relegated with Stoke, is suddenly more experienced than one who had the most clean sheets in the CL this season, whose penalty save vs Spurs kept us in the hunt for top 4 at the time, a guy who conceded 1 measly goal vs City in a two legged q-final. Again, if you believe that then I have a swamp in Florida I would like to sell you.

The fact is that if Kaius needs replacing, great get it done BUT sorry, the Butlands of this world are not the answer. Why? He was at Stoke for a reason cos if he was that highly rated as many say, he would not have been there that long. Karius went from Mainz to LFC. Why? Cos Klopp thought at the time that he was that good. Why was Butland still at Stoke till relegation? Cos he was not that good.


14.) 15 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 22:41:59
What planet are some of you on. Butland made some errors but the gravity of Karius’ mistakes are unforgivable. In addition, Karius has hardly been prolific. I mean off the top of my head the Spurs game with his dodgy parry to Wanyama is an example of his ineptitude. Has to go he’s not good enough.


15.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 00:15:42
Doncopey1, the point is, if Karius isn’t good enough, then neither is any of Butland, Pope, Navas or Cillessen. As they’re not better and in Navas and Cillessen’s case they’re significantly worse. Now when you say the mistakes are ‘unforgivable’, I’d interested to hear your opinion on Gerrard?

When we won the champions league he threw the toys out the pram and demanded a move to Chelsea, he was involved in that fight in a bar and he was at fault for us losing the title with his slip against Chelsea? So by that measure, Gerrard can’t be a legend because his slip cost us the biggest trophy of all? As far as I’m concerned saying things like that makes a mockery of the words you’ll never walk alone.


16.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 07:28:24
Yeah but you’re not really addressing the question me shankly.

You in particular are one of the worst offenders. You were so against AOC and like whenever you don’t fancy a player you troll every post that their name comes up.

I also don’t buy BRover argument about relegation fodder stoke - like Robertson at Hull right?

And BRover, I’m not in anyway saying people can’t have opinions. I’m just asking how these people who have such strong opinions can’t admit there’s a chance they could be wrong about Butland as they have been so many times in the past with AOC and Robertson etc.


17.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 18:45:26
Butland was a promising youngster who has failed to live up to that and makes mistakes on a regular basis. He’s been particularly poor this season which is part of the reason that he not only lost the England number one jersey, but cost Stoke valuable points at against Everton, Spurs, Bournemouth and Leicester to name a few. Yes I was against AOC signing because based on the available evidence it looked like a waste of £35m. However in his case it’s player who was often played out of position and not used correctly by his former employers. In Butland case it’s hardly comparable, since Butland plays a specific position. Butland only looked ok behind a packed defence, when not playing behind a packed defence his weaknesses are horribly exposed. His distribution is poor, his concentration and positioning are poor and for a man of 6’5” he is poor on crosses. If the only basis people are suggesting him is because he’s English, available and they’ve heard of him, that’s a weak basis on which to sign a player.