21 Mar 2018 18:43:46
What up, reds and redettes,

There is something going on here that I think should get our attention. Please, hear me out.

Salah has been sensational for us this season, blowing us away with his performances and goals and all round fantastic attitude, courage, humility on and off the pitch. Boos player and even a "Bosser" man. As a result, I have seen people and pundits in the media over the last two weeks, suddenly, casting doubt over our ability to keep him after this season. Now, this may just be me being crazy BUT am I the only one thinking that some in the media are trying to throw shade on our club by trying to cause unrest in the fan base? I ask that because it's the same "experts" like Wright, Lineker, Gien, Ashton etc that said Salah would be a flop cos of his Chelsea past and now, they are trying to push Salah out of LFC possibly in a bid to continue the narrative that "See, we told you LFC can't keep their player. They'll never win the PL" and you know the rest. Now if they did this to other clubs then I would get it BUT I don't see them doing any of this to Kane, Hazard, Alli, or another player or club in the top 6 so why the pile on?

The reason I say this is that I think that many want to see LFC fail and as soon as we seem to be going somewhere, they come out with these under-handed tactics to play on the fears of some in our fan base hence, causing issues with the manager, the owners etc. Here's what I want people to know. Don't fall for it.

IMO, NO CLUB will be able to afford the money needed to pay for Salah, en of story. PSG have FFP issues. Barcelona have spent over 300m this season alone and need to sell while Real will not be doing that as well. Therefore, my message to our fans is, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Salah will not be going anywhere in the summer and he loves it here as the team plays to his strengths and to me, has still a lot yet to prove cos one season does not make a career. Peace and Love, my fellow reds!

{Ed025's Note - it sounds like you have a bit of a persecution complex there brover, i like reading your posts and your enthusiasm and love of all things liverpool is admirable, but there is no conspiracy against liverpool its because you have under achieved for so long that pundits are doubting your credentials, you should be happy that all these know-alls are writing the reds off mate..

1.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 19:06:47
There all jealouse mate.

2.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 19:08:20
Wow, that conspiracy theory wouldn't look out of place on the X files.

3.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 19:20:55
It is because Brover we have previous form. We get good players they nearly reach the world class level and we sell them. Also we don't challenge for the title (maybe twice in 20 years) and we don't win trophies.

This season we are 20 points of City, we are even behind a poor Man U side and we have just about the best front 3 in Europe. It means that half of our other players are well below the standard needed. Next year things have to change or Salah will look to leave, and we start all over again.

4.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 19:28:53
I can’t belive he wrote this 😀😀🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️! I was feeling bored and this crack me up!

5.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:10:14
There has always been a North South divide, with the south in control of the money and the media, to a large extent. While brovers post sounds a little paranoid I think there is something in it. That said, the only pundit I have heard slating liverpool is Lawrence (or robbo if you listen to 606) I've only heard praise lately.

6.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:30:29
I can appreciate your point of view BR, but I don't think it's a conspiracy, i think its the fact we usually end up selling our top players in recent years. Suarez, couts etc and even a little shout of Sterling, i know i will get ripped for it, but he was better for us than at city until pep came in! I always thought he was decent just shame about his end product at the time.

Given Salah is outscoring even the prem's best strikers on could very well break through the 31 goals in 38 game season just shows how well he is playing and big clubs come looking given Liverpool haven't won much in the last few years. Barca, Madrid will be looking at him for sure for that matter.

I don't think Salah will go this season, we only sold couts in january and the club is finally playing good football and looking like we could put in a serious title challenge next season. Definitely want to keep him.

7.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:06:35
Ed25, I don't believe in conspiracy theories. All I did was lay out observations I had noticed. Corellation is NOT causation and that much is clear. You're prolly right in saying I should ignore such "experts". I just find it strange that each time we get a player who is on the cusp of something big with us and when it seems we are going somewhere, the pundits start "selling" the player in the media. You can doubt our credentials which is fine, w/ o selling our star players in the media. Oh and I was not the only one who thought this. This was also mentioned on the Anfield Wrap on Youtube as well so I'm not alone in my observations.

Mark, we may have previous and that much is clear BUT you have to take each previous case in context BUT I'm not going to get into any of that. Mentioning City is a non argument cos we are NOT the only ones behind them with a double digit points deficit. The WHOLE top 5 is behind them with double digits points deficit so you singling us out, is dishonest and biased, IMO. It's not like Utd are 6 points behind City and we are 13 points behind Utd. You keep whining about players being average and all that while forgetting that it takes a while to build a competitive squad esp. LFC where we don't have 300m to drop every window. Even City with all their 100's of millions have under achieved since 13/ 14 when they pipped us to the PL. Football is more complicated than that.

{Ed025's Note - i just think your passion for the club is clouding your judgement a tad brover....you have the heart of an evertonian and the "no body likes us everybody hates us think ill go and eat worms" mentality of a manc mate.. :)

8.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:42:13
Couthinho, Sterling, Suarez, Torres. That's why the media are saying he's next to leave, we are a high end selling club FACT! He hasn't even got here but I'm pretty confident Keita will be the next to go after 18 month's or so. Your kidding yourself with your post Brover, it's the clubs transfer policy to move on at least one major star every couple of years to pay for the other players coming in, sell one buy four or five, have you not noticed? there are none so blind as those who can't see.

9.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:45:26
I only care about Liverpool Brover. Dishonest and biased where do you get that crap from? Like ed025 is trying to say wake up and smell what you are shoveling.

10.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:49:35
Torres - acted like a jerk. Wanted to go. Good riddance.
Sterling - acted like a jerk. Wanted to go. Good riddance.
Suarez - acted like a jerk. Wanted to go. Good riddance.
Coutinho - acted like a jerk. Wanted to go. Good riddance.

Good money received for all 4.

Players come and go.

All teams lose great players to either another team or retirement.

We are no different.

11.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:49:43
My opinion: it’s happening because Liverpool have yet to win anything under our last 2 managers.

Once the trophies start rolling in the narrative will change.
The champions league is our only option this season, we have a 1 in 8 chance so it’s still a huge ask.

At the end of the day, a player in such form can ultimately dictate their future. It’s his career, I wouldn’t begrudge him a move. He wants to win trophies like all players, as a club we have to step up, make it happen and then the media narrative will have to change.

12.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:53:42
We are big enough and good enough to nurture top class talent but not successful enough I keep them. Win things and the world class talent will stay. Simple.

13.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:54:03
We are no different to Southampton to Waro, no point kidding ourselves. You right about Keita if things carry on as they are he will look to go to a club that is winning trophies.

Next year is massive for us. Time to get serious and spend the money on more top players.

14.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 20:56:03
Chelsea have had Hazard and Courtois linked with Real Madrid over the years, they have been able to hang onto them because they are constantly challenging for titles, if they fail to qualify for the Champions League this season then perhaps that will change. Manchester United have had De Gea linked with Real Madrid for a number of years. Spurs have had Kane and Alli linked with moves away, the press have recently begun to suggest that they could leave in the coming seasons if Spurs don’t start paying them equally to players of similar quality and start winning things.

People say that Liverpool can’t hang onto Salah because recent history tells us that this is true, Coutinho, Suarez, Sterling, Torres etc. Liverpool have won nothing since 2012 and have only qualified for the Champions League twice this decade. Liverpool does not have a great recent history so when a player we have becomes world class it is natural that he will be linked with a move to a club who is winning trophies, there is no vendetta against the club though.

For the record I don’t think that we will sell Salah for any amount this summer, it would send a terrible message to the fans and players.

{Ed002's Note - The major driver is often what the player wants and we know Salah was concerned that with Real Madrid planning on significant changes over the next two summers he could miss out. I agree that Liverpool will resist selling him this year as much as they reasonably can - but the performances have been good enough for Real Madrid to look to discuss him - particularly given LFC interest in a couple of Real Madrid players.}

15.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 21:16:09
you right Westwood, play well at the Masters.

{Ed025's Note - lee is like liverpool mark, plenty of talent but can never quite get it over the line mate..

16.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 21:16:12
I think the only way we will keep him is to qualify for CL and show intent in the transfer market.
If you actually look beyond our starting 11- then there’s not an awful lot of top quality.
To compete regularly you could argue we need:
GK (first choice)
CB (play alongside VvD)
DM (play alongside Keita and a. n. Other)
AM (who can play anywhere across front three ositions

Now- if they are genuine starters we are probably looking at what- at least £70m average?

The PCtransfer money could go against it but that’s still a hell of an outlay for our club
That’s £280m on 4 ositions in one transfer window.

17.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 21:33:20
Hey brover, love your posts, well thought out and all that .

If markp08 and waro disagree with you your just one short of the holy grail of truth, where's negative waiter when you need him?

{Ed025's Note - hey...thats the magi your talking about mate!..

18.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 21:40:53
I set you right up for that one mate. Which golfer is Everton?

Nick faldo great in the 80's but doesn't play much anymore, and likes to talk a lot.

19.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 21:43:54
Spot on Ron mate! Need to start winning some trophies.

20.) 21 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 22:11:08
Thanks for all the posts and different opinions. To be clear, I never said there was a conspiracy. I just made an observation. THAT IS ALL. Ron and Smeg, I understand your posts and they are valid. I just thought maybe there was something that needed to be brought up even tho, I believe that if we start challenging consistently, these useless rumours will subside.

Ed25, your last post was funny even tho, none of it is true and please, don't compare me to an Evertonian and definitely not a manc as that is quite offensive, lol. Being an Everton fan would literally put me in a home, at this point as there is darkness everywhere. And being a manc, is like being a complete hypocrite which I try not to be. I do not think my judgement is clouded and as I mentioned, my observations were mentioned in The Anfield Wrap on Youtube so I guess they are Evertonians as well, lol. I digress.

Mark, I maintain that you slagging LFC off for being behind City is disingenuous because we are ALL behind City by a lot in the top 6 so again, focusing on City who have spent over half a billion in two summers and using it as a stick to beat LFC with is yes, disingenuous. Even Utd who have spent near 300m are just as further away from City as we are. You can care about only about LFC all you want (as if you are the only one who does) BUT we don't leave in a vacuum in the PL so you must consider what is going on around you. And comparing us to Southampton on any level, is just not worth responding to.

{Ed025's Note - being an evertonian is not so bad brover, similar expectations at the start of the season to liverpool and both end up with FA mate.. :)

21.) 22 Mar 2018
21 Mar 2018 23:31:38
BRover, your rambling. Salah will leave end of story, we will vehemently deny he's for sale then reluctantly agree to his sale after demonising the player with propaganda, leaked story's of feigning injury then the classics like " the player is not for sale" followed by "we tried everything in our power to keep the player but his head has been turned" I'd say you have the memory of a goldfish but it's not that your just conveniently editing previous proven cases of the club selling to buy to suit your own agenda.

I'm sure you'll be one of the first on here to call Salah every name under the sun when certain dubious media outlets spin comments made buy the players 3rd cousin twice removed about his desire to join his boyhood club Real and his form taking a dip because he goes three games without a goal "you can tell he's not putting it all in". Look to the people behind the scenes at the club because they are the real problem at the club they're are the "grim reapers" "the bogeyman" who are undermining the traditions of the club and the will of the supporters for there one and only goal, the almighty dollar. Open your eyes and wake up!

22.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 01:01:38
All clubs are selling clubs. Literally ALL of them. Neymar to PSG anyone? We are just a bit too focused on our own club and in love with Salah to notice.

23.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 01:04:02
the magic question - how can we hold him? pay him more money? move to london? win things? probably all the above!

Hope we can win some things while he is with us.

24.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 01:24:46
I'm not a conspiracy nut but the south has held the sword above the heads of the North for hundreds of years. That's not conspiracy that's a fact. Is it still going on today? Perhaps there is a small remnant of it, culture's don't change overnight generally. It's something that gets watered down over generations.

Although I don't think this is why people talk about us holding on to our top players. The reason they do is mascherano alonso Suarez sterling coutinio. Things have to change if we are going to be a European force. I hope they have changed but even if salah leaves we will have made another huge profit and I trust our scouts to find new talent and 8 trust mthe coach to improve them and get them playing at the required level.

25.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 01:33:27
And BTW, to say "I don't believe in conspiracy theories" is stupid. There are conspiracies all around us. Someone's wife is having an affair. That is a conspiracy, two people have conspired to break the vows of a wedding, and also to break someone's heart. The super rich have set the game so they always win. So it is easy for the rich to make money but much harder for joe blogs. Dodgy things happen and are happening in our world. Do you notice how a large percentage of the working class and middle/ lower middle class people don't own half of their prized possessions. Their house isn't truly theirs, their car isn't truly theirs even their best clothes have not been fully paid for. This is how "they" get you exactly where they want you. Chained to your crappy job, mind on debts rather than dreams of the future. You should read marx or engel.

26.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 02:16:04
2 things:

1. Barca, Real, and Bayern are consistently the clubs that can get almost any player to sign one the fees are negotiated. Don't lose sleep over it.

2. It's been so many years since I've logged on I had to make a new account (and couldn't remember anything to get in to the old one) yet Waro is still here!

27.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 02:33:17
Waro all you do is spew the same crap the owners just want the money the owners this the owners that, get real did they not just folk out atleast 75 million for vvd? They put the money back into the club! so i ask what are you rambling on about. they have also already signed Naby for 50mil or near enough anyway so in affect that's the couts money already back into the club: they will put yet more money back into the club agen in the summer they want us to succeed and win trophies and are willing to spend money to achieve that. Also salah will not be going anywhere this summer anyway simple as that. And the other players you on about which of those sales have hammered the club? Torres left we got better, Suarez left and good riddance to the horrible scumbag of a person, sterling left and quite frankly we got more than he was worth he wouldn't get into the Liverpool team good business a say, and finally couts answer me this has the team suffered from the sale no they haven't we have actually been better without him. We will spend a lot more money in the summer on the 3-4 players needed to compete for the league next yr,
We still have a great tie in the cl to look forward to and can beat city no bother a say we have as much chance as any team to win it so as a team we are improving yr after yr but all you want to do is strike hate against the owners and say they only after the dollars when this is simply not true.
Get it into your head lad there main priority is to win the league for the fans and get the club challenging for trophies season in season out, we are in a better place now than we where before they took over it's that simple.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is Waro does not understand the people he is discussing. They are not planning on investing and recouping their money by slowly dripping it back out of the club, as that takes too long. That is not the intelligent way to do it, no big investor wants that. Small time people like Waro think that way because they are small time and don't think big. All investors who think with their head go in with an exit strategy to get out completely, not to drip feed a return. FSG's plan is to invest, build a brand that they can then sell for a profit. A large profit. They will not achieve that large profit by continually selling off assets that provide value to the brand, such as Salah. The sale of Coutinho was because Klopp decided he wanted him gone.}

28.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 02:47:53
Why are people acting like Salah has already left? he hasn't been with us 5 minutes and because he's incredible people are worried he will soon be gone, come off it. He'll be with us for the next season at least, don't read into he majority of the media BS.

I'd be gutted if he left us this summer window but I'm not concerned at all, I don't even think it's up for discussion about him leaving in the upcoming window because it simply will not happen.

People saying we are a selling club by selling our best players (Suarez, Coutinho) I think you have short memories there's a reason why we got rid of each of them not because we're a selling club but because Suarez pulled the club through dirt and we needed rid of the rat! and it's as simple as that, not to mention him destroying the kings managerial career.

Coutinho, went on to be much the same, a little brat thinking he was better then the club, spitting his dummy out with his fake injuries etc etc, towards the end of his time here he showed his true colours, tell me why would we keep players like that? it's got nothing to do with us been a 'selling club' that's just absolute garbage and excuses. I don't even know how he's even put into the category of our 'best players' list because he wasn't. Salah was, Mane was, Firmino was. Coutinho was not, you could tell his heart wasn't at Liverpool and he made that damn right clear so tell me please, why would we want to keep such players like Coutinho and Suarez? I couldn't wait to see the back of them!

We will always lose good players, every team will, RB Leipzig are losing a good one soon to us, it happens. Can is leaving us, a player who I personally rate, I don;t think he's incredible but he's a decent player, we will lose him. Talking about Salah as if he's already left is pretty stupid and a nonsense discussion. The media are going to hype things up of course they are, any player who plays as well as that in the premier league are going to be linked to every 'elite' team there is, as we have seen. What does this mean? it means bugger all, he's a Liverpool player, enjoy it!

Plus let's be chuft all this attention on Salah is taking attention off Firmino - My all round favourite Liverpool player since Fowler - Salah is up there though, I hate reading these stupid rumours about him going elsewhere but welcome to 2018, media love it, clickbait, clickbait and more clickbait, don't fall for it.

29.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 13:49:11
The purpose of the media is to attract viewship to increase revenue. You can argue the toss that the actual news have a more egalitarian purpose than that, but with sports analysis it's 100% the case.

Liverpool have a massive, active fan base. Talking about things we are passionate about will guarentee viewership. A commentator consistently able to provide this above average viewship will keep getting work because they produce more value.

This is the reason Liverpool are targeted and why it happens every time. Simple as - we engage, therefore it is valuable to have these conversations. By comparison, Chelsea have a huge fan base but on average a lower than normal rate of engagement meaning that despite there being potentially bigger stories there (e. g. are Courtois and Hazard going to stay put without CL football if Real come calling? ), it is not as valuable to keep having that discussion so they bring it up occasionally, but generally wait till it's reach the point where its of interest to all football fans to be doing it 2 or 3 times a week.

It's not bias. It's not persecution. It's just digital age economics.

30.) 22 Mar 2018
22 Mar 2018 22:18:26
Waro, yes I am a scouser. Dad born on Anfield road, Mum born in Bootle and I was born in Maghull. Not that it matters whatsoever. Small minded responses like that are what make us scousers look like idiots.
This isn't a popularity contest, just because you've convinced 17 of your colleagues and 4 of them don't think the same does not mean your argument is right. I can think of a number of examples of when the 'masses' thought one thing when the reality was only recognised by the few. It's completely irrelevant.
I can't get into a debate with someone who is hellbent on proving their theory correct, and ignore facts when presented to them, it's beyond childish and almost politician like.
I admit our wage budget could do with increasing to help attract and retain players. You could do with admitting our players don't leave due to the owners, and that the owners aren't mimicking the Arsenal model. They quite literally want success for us and I feel sad for you that you can't see that and probably never will.
I look forward to your post when we win the league title under FSG, the justification To prove your theory will be brilliant.
Cheers.

{Ed025's Note - good reposte there TIA..