07 Mar 2018 23:08:35
I reckon tonight is the first time for ages Arsenal have had something to celebrate in Europe.

1.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 01:41:23
I don't think spurs are as good as they're made out to be. May not have lost in league forever for ages but by the law they lost at anfield, cheated to get the a draw. They're not in the city, Liverpool class or the Chelsea, man utd class. I'd put them 5th in the league although they will probably grab 4th, maybe not if we had beat them (we did really eh) they're great against bottom 10 sides not do great at the other end. Done real Madrid I know but every dog has its day. Peterborough once beat Liverpool. Spurs have a few players who are too good for spurs and my favourite is Son, he doesn't get enough plaudits coz the English boys get the press. I'd take Son over Ali all day.

They will be lucky to win the fa Cup as Chelsea are looking pretty good atm and utd will probably beat them. Another season with no trophy. How long does Harry kane stay? Once he leaves its all over for spurs. Without half his goals they are at arsenal level. If that.

{Ed0333's Note - Are you sure Spurs aren’t better than Man Utd & Chelsea? I think you may need to revisit that statement. An on song spurs would beat Man Utd & Chelsea most days. I’m so glad they went out tonite as I’d have hated to pull them out of the bag in the next round. They destroyed us at Wembley, they drew at Anfield and most observers thought they should have won, truly I don’t think we’re as good as them. But I respect your partisanship. Your point about Kane is Hyperthetical because if Salah leaves us it could be said we are somewhat profoundly disadvantaged.

2.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 04:15:23
Chelsea looking pretty good? 4 defeats in their last 5 league games is pretty good? I agree with the ed I’m delighted they are out, City and Spurs were the 2 teams I would hate to play in the next round. Spurs may have got a fortunate refereeing decision to get a point at Anfield but they were excellent second half against us and they also thumped us at Wembley.

3.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 05:37:11
Am sorry, but that's got to be, with respect, the most nonsensical pile of biased, red-tinted tripe I seen in a long time on these pages, and that takes some doing.
You're blinded by nothing more than your jealousy here.

Much as I hate yo say, Spurs are a good, very good team. Fine margins determined last night's game.
Chelsea been 'pretty good'?
Care to furnish us with their current league position and last 5 results?

Then again am not surprised by your post. You got a track record for spouting tripe, with respect.
Ludicrous opinion bordering on [insert word].

I'm sorry if I come across harsh or disrespectful. I intend to be neither.
But really, have a word with yourself now, seriously.

4.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 05:40:50
Red tinted defined there my friend. Spurs are definitely the second best team in England atm in my opinion and not just player wise, playing wise and manager wise too. Spurs are just complete and their first team is as good as any.
The only problem they have is their fans, players, manager and DOF have this small club mentality deeply rooted in them fueled by the media. So when the time comes the botch it up because they are always playing underdogs. 2 away goal advantage over Juventus and game at home still spurs are underdogs. How? With spurs everyone thinks that they are over achieving, its like the mentality oh we are spurs we are not a big club, if we thrash LFC we have achieved a milestone, oh we beat Madrid we have achieved another big milestone.
The day they get this stuck up mentality out of their system and truly play football like they can and nothing else spurs will start winning stuff. Unfortunately that day is far beyond because Spurs will always continue with the stigma that they are over achieving. Whilst the honest truth is they are grossly and consistently under achieving.

5.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 06:03:02
The table won't lie at seasons end.

6.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 06:08:59
So you are saying that Spurs lost to Juventus not because Pochettino was slow to react to the changes Allegri made but because the media calls them a small club? Spurs are a good team but they were playing Juventus, a club that has won Serie A the last six seasons and reached 2 of the last 3 Champions league finals. They lost because Juventus knows how to win when it matters, Spurs do not.

7.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 06:29:28
Spurs lost because they lacked the urgency, they were waiting for things to happen. They slept at the back after an hour, they did not press for the second goal which they could have scored atleast a couple of times in the the first hour. They didn't finish the game when it was supposed to be - characteristics of club holding back. A Club like Bayern who team wise are as complete as Spurs would haven't let Juventus have a chance.
And what defining changes did allegri made? he had all his top players from the start.
Tottenham were slow to kill the game and paid for it.
"They lost because Juventus knows how to win when it matters, Spurs do not. " - the quintessential difference between a big and small club.
All i am saying is Tottenham have to stop having a small club mentality to win anything.

8.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 07:14:37
Spurs are better than us when they’re not in possession, that’s clear.
Liverpool and Man City are the 2 best teams in the country by a mile when in possession IMO.

9.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 07:23:14
BTW in continuation of the OP, arsenal celebration might not last long as they go to Milan today.

10.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 07:25:16
Agree with Ron here. Spurs are rock solid and have a talented young team. I do think they’ve got their ceiling though under poch and as a club in general. That won’t change without breaking their wage cap and spending some serious cash. I think they’re in danger that if they were to lose Kane or Poch, they’re not a big enough draw to bring in equal or close to quality no matter how much money they get.

I also think the power balance between us and spurs is starting to shift back in our favour and if we continue our progress under klopp we’ll be snapping at the heels of city in the not too distant future. On our day, we’re awesome, consistency has been our biggest downfall. But we’re now beating the super defensive teams.

11.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 07:46:28
We should be praising spurs. They've built their club not dissimilar to us, but with even smarter spend ye? I don't know that for fact, but hard to argue against much of their transfer record recently right?
We beat porto, they just got dumped out by the odd goal against a european heavyweight. I really think the handbrake needs to be pulled a bit on our side. We have it all to prove!

12.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 08:06:42
Spurs are going to win the world cup though. Haven't you heard?

13.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 08:55:25
Lol SS you are a silly sausage at times mate.

14.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 08:57:16
Also, this is the best I've ever seen Tottenham and I'm pretty sure they're at the their limit. They have been fortunate with several signings and mainly, Harry Kane coming good when he did and I don't believe they will build on what they have. Pochettino is too good for them and will be on his way sooner or later, as will a few of their players as they realise they will win nothing there. Yes, I do like bitter. They will just become a shorter lasting version of recent Arsenal with no FA cups.

15.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 08:38:17
Dont think they are better than us but i would say they have different qualities that makes them a top team. I disagree with the ed over the anfield match, without a big helping hand from the ref we would have run out comfortable winners.

Its also nothing to do with small club mentality why juventus beat them, they did afterall beat madrid or have some people forgotten that. They simply didn't take their chances when they had them and sanches went walkabout to let dybala in for their second. Its football, these things happen, when west brom beat us nobody claimed we had small club mentality.

Clearly city are the best team in the land and its much or a muchness between the next 4 teams. I discount arsenal now because they have imploded. With a top class keeper and the additions i expect in the summer we will hopefully rise above the chasing pack and really challenge for the title.

16.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 08:40:10
Spurs are way overrated, they got a point at anfield because of all the diving, re-watch the match and you will see they barley had a half chance all game, and wembley well they didn't outplay us whatsoever, if you think Mignolet and Lovren giving them 3 goals is outplaying a team then alright! And they are the team in the whole of the top 5 leagues to have gained the most points from refree ''mistakes'' Offside doesn't count for Harry Kane and red card offences are barley yellow card offences to Spuds players. please, they are a dirty cheating team.

{Ed025's Note - pint of bitter for nostradmus i think, spurs are a very good side and possession and chance wise at anfield murdered liverpool, take off the red specs mate and give credit where its due..

17.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 08:51:23
Going back to the beginning, I can't agree that they destroyed us a Wembley, Ed. We destroyed ourselves and they just took advantage. I'd have been ok with Spurs in the next round.

18.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 09:08:07
If Levy realizes the potential spurs have and spends from this position of strength on the squad and improves wages then they can be as good as anybody in the world.

If he doesn't and they don't win anything this season and the next the top players they have will leave or run down there contracts. The manager would probably want to go on to a bigger job and spurs will go back to the pre pochitteno era.

Alderweild is already looking to leave and he's on of the top cbs in the world right now. That may have a domino effect.

19.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 10:37:10
If you want to know who is the best, second best, third best etc team in the premier league at this moment in time just look at the league table. It never lies. And after this weekends round of fixtures it will tell you the truth again on Monday if you look at it.
FACT!

20.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 11:21:09
they destroyed us at wembley, end of. can some of ya hear yourselves? or should myself and others adopt a more biased red-tinted view!? lol, that game we put 5 past spurs at anfield in them suarez days, no one bothers to mention how spurs had a midfielder playing CB that day and they were ravaged with injuries. no, the point is ya get what you deserve and everything else is just an excuse. Spurs done us at Wembley, we could have put them away at anfield but didn't so for this season they have the upper-hand on us.

But like I say, over the course of the season the table will not lie! the 2nd best team in the league will be, surprise surprise, whoever finishes 2nd in the league!

{Ed025's Note - good point faith..

21.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 11:40:47
i just don't like Spurs, i feel they are overrated, it has nothing to do with Red tinted i swear ed0025, but again their is a big difference between getting destroyed because a team is much better than you or self-destructing like we did to ourselves. please before you call me this and that re-watch there goals and tell me we didn't gift them 3 goals from rookie mistakes from Lovren, Matip and Mignolet!

{Ed025's Note - i dont understand whats not to like nostradmus?, they are a good team who play attractive football and have some excellent players in kane, dembele, and eriksen to name just a few, i have grown up with liverpool as my so called hate figure but i do admire their players and manager and most of all their playing style which is like spurs top entertainment, sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture mate and see that teams like liverpool, city and spurs are teams that play the game in the way its supposed to be played..

22.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 12:25:56
Spurs' problem is that they don't operate like an elite club, they don't pay the wages and they're not ambitious in the transfer market. They've got an excellent group together but almost every player there knows they'd be payed more and have a better chance of winning trophies elsewhere. If and when the right offer conmes in Alli, Ericson, Dembele, Son, Lloris and Alderweireld will all be open to moving and, once everyone else has gone, Kane will go too.

{Ed025's Note - i actually applaud them for that putney, most clubs problems stem from overpaying average players and even though levy is horrible if all clubs done the same the game would be better for it imo mate..

23.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 12:29:25
Spurs have been fortunate this season with decisions. I don’t think I’ve seen a Spurs game this season when they haven’t had a contentious decision go their way. They very nearly scored another blatantly offside goal last night. Honestly it’s hard not to think there isn’t corruption in the game with some of the decisions they’ve got this season.

We on the other hand are 3rd in spite of 3 woeful last minute decisions (that I can think of off hand) robbing us of 3 wins (Watford, Everton and Spurs) which would give us clear daylight. The only decision I can think of going our way thins season was Migs not getting sent off at Stoke.

Spurs are a good team and I hate to talk about refereeing but there has just been to much go their way for it to be mere coincidence this season. Hell at Anfield they were making up new rules so they could give them penalties!

24.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 12:35:23
Spurs are a very very good side, strong players from front to back and no obvious weaknesses. Solid defence with good keeper and fantastic CBs, a strong midfield with dembele most notable, then Erikson, Son, Dele and Kane.

I think they are two things from a real break through
1) real confidence that comes from a track record of winning a cup or two - once they break that duck though watch out.
2) I think they could do with one or two game changers off the bench

Losing to Juve over two legs by one goal (and outplaying them) is not something to beat them with a stick over, I wouldn’t have liked to draw them, wouldn’t have preferred Chelsea or Man Utd too.

One other problem they have coming though, is the longer it takes to win something, the bigger the risk someone poaches their talent and they don’t have the wage structure to replace with the same quality. I think they need to win something very soon.

{Ed025's Note - i agree SG..

25.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 12:46:59
They have decent players, i personally Love Dembele and think he is one of the best central midfielders in the world but that doesn't make me like their club! what i don't like is the constant diving and play acting, the horrible challenges they put in that gets ignored by refs, the 5-6 offside goals they've scored in the league this season, that they are the media and FA darlings because of Harry Kane and that their fans are very annoying despite them not winning anything of note for 58 years soon! Oh plus their manager who basically said it's ok to dive once someone breathes on you! He is a comedian :) The amount of credit and praise Spurs have been getting the last decade you would really think they have won the league 5 times and the champions league 3 times! They just have an amazing media machine behind them that's all.

{Ed025's Note - very harsh mate..

26.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 13:22:59
I wish i had time to make a video of the Red cards they didn't get this season, or the 5 offside goals they've scored or the penalties they get after they dived but why bother? i am going to get called crazy and harsh anyway. Spurs are the best side in the history of history! Happy now ed0025? By the way, i love your banter.

{Ed025's Note - the feelings mutual mate..

27.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 14:19:45
You are, of course, correct. We were also destroyed by Swansea. Our league form should read; played 29, won 17, drawn 9, DESTROYED 3.

28.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 14:31:46
Rbl, with respect (what a joke) you are being rude and you know it. You disagree with me, fair enough. I think we are much better than spurs. They should never have gotten a draw at anfield. A long range rocket shot, that should have been dealt with by can and a few dubious penalties gave them a point. Now I say they are the 5th best team and instead of politely disagreeing and putting your argument across you take a dig at me and hide behind "no disrespect" your post is disrespectful and saying "no disrespect" doesn't change that. Spurs are currently 4th, a point or two away from where I predict they will finish.

I have a history of spouting nonsense? OK, sometimes I go a bit overboard when rating our players and admit to having red tinted glasses, proudly. I love my club and I won't say that spurs are as good as us. They're not, for a start, and I know there isn't a great deal to separate between the top 5 sides so I will be giving my club the benefit of the doubt, especially as we're above them in the league and have gone further than them in the european Cup. I say top 5, City obviously way ahead in points but since Vvd came in we have remained steadily behind them, I mean we have as good a form as them since Xmas, just about. Spurs are having a bit of a purple patch but they have had some poor results this season and they Have relied on kane for the last four years. When and if he leaves there will be an exodus. That's my opinion. Saying the 4th placed team are going to finish 5th is hardly the most outrageous and nonsensical statement ever "spouted" we will see.

Please remind me of some nonsense that I spouted and I will give you my perspective.

BTW, I would have LOVED spurs in the next round.

29.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 15:06:03
I agree with you Nost, Spurs get away with so much, Kane and Ali the most, can't believe how the refs let so much go with them .

30.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 15:15:17
Akshit, I can Guarantee you that Tottenham Hotspur do not have a small club mentality. Bookies don't play for the media, they calculate and are always right. If spurs were the underdog it's because they are not as highly rated. Bookies are making money not playing to the whims of the media.

Spurs are one of the biggest, proudest, decorated football teams in this country, the country that born football. They are a massive club, always have been and if truth be told have probably thought themselves bigger than they were at times. Something we have been guilty of too.

They don't have a small club mentality and lost to juventus, over two legs because juventus were the better side. Juventus probably have more experience in ucl and they had the strength of character to beat spurs when it looked spurs were in a good position. Stop over rating spurs, 5 great players and a load of better than average players.

If you took salah out of liverpool we would not score quite as much possibly but if you remember last season we were scoring for fun then too. And a lot of that was without coutinio.

If you took kane out of spurs they would be 6th. He scores 90% of their goals. Salah scores about 50%of ours.

Also for all the spurs appreciation society, did you watch the Rochdale game or the *coff* replay. They were well handled by Rochdale in the first leg and were proper lucky to get through. Honestly in the first half Rochdale made spurs look like Luton Town.

I know they're good, I'm not an idiot and I know football. They play some lush football, they are strong in all areas whereas we are not so much. Our midfield is not near as good as our forward line. I'm not going to knock our defence 1 goal in 5 games but before Vvd it was pretty piss poor at times. But our forward line is so good and the midfield is getting better and so is our defence and gk, so we are getting strong in all areas too. I think we're better than them, I actually think we are in a different league, you may disagree but the league speaks for itself and I think you'll find we are above them. Also we beat City, spurs haven't. Next year when the team is complete I predict we will finish 10 points ahead of spurs, at least.

31.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 15:48:26
Spurs murdered us at anfield! That's a joke right? They didn't have the ball once in the first half. The second half they were better and had probably more of the ball than Liverpool but they never looked that dangerous whereas we ran them ragged when we had the ball and should have won the game. They are awarded 2 penalties, 1st was offside the second was played for. They get the benefit of the doubt a lot and I agree with nostradamus that they cheat and get away with more. Kane and ali get special treatment.

They are brilliant in full flow and I think apart from Harry kane their biggest strength is in having a fairly strong keeper, fairly strong defence, fairly strong midfield and strong forward line. Strength in all areas. I'm not slating them, I'm saying I think they will finish 5th, they're 4th now, that's not so crazy is it?

32.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 16:43:13
I agree with Nostradamus on the Anfield game. For all the possession they had in the second half they created 1 chance for Son which Karius saved. Other than that it was a once in a lifetime strike from Wanyama and diving accompanied by abject (some would say biased) officiating.

Plus we should’ve been at least 2-0 up at half time such was our superiority in the first half. Second half we tired and dropped off too much but they still weren’t creating chances.

They are a very good side but the fact remains they are not as good as Liverpool as you keep Kane quiet and they are toothless even with all of the possession they have in midfield.

With us if Salah doesn’t get you Mane will. If Mane doesn’t get you Firmino will.
People talk about how great they are at the back but you take Man City away when we were down to 10 men and the Wembley game when we shot ourselves in both feet our defensive records are very similar across 27 games! Yet we are dodgy at the back with an awful goalkeeper apparently!

Long and the short is they are in no way better than us and 4th/ 5th is their level. Has been for years and still is. The only reason they have over performed is because others have under performed to allow them in.

33.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 18:08:22
I'd say spurs are 3rd best team in England at the moment.

Pool and City ahead.

Chelsea have been poor of recent and though UTD sit in second. They play the most boring football on the planet, Jose just moans and De gea continues to pull out worldies. The save against palace stopped 3-2 and let utd stay in with a chance of smash and grab at the end. How many times has that happened in the past.

I do feel though we are a bit more dynamic up top than spurs, Salah would be a huge blow if he left but we still have a fair amount of goals in us, Kane is spurs main man by a mile! Injuries have hurt them at the back. No Alderwireld and rose makes them liable at the back, davies is painful to watch at times and I don't think Dier has been as good this season as last. That said when in the flow of things they are top class. Kane seems to score for fun on point and ericksen and dembele can run the midfield when they want to!

34.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 15:40:24
Ed25, I applaud them too, their transfer record over the last few years has been superb and they've built a team the old fashioned way (piece by piece, good mix of experience and youth and they've not resorted to throwing money at the problem) .

The proof will be in the pudding though. They've not won anything in 10 years and I think their chances will only get smaller. I am rooting for them though, if Liverpool don't win things they're my second choice.

{Ed025's Note - me too putney, i like to see the entertainers at the top mate..

35.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 18:22:56
I think that's a fair post Alistair. They probably are the third best team atm but they started the season pretty badly as nd were not fitting into Wembley life too well, they had improved though and that has seen them claw into the top 4, I won't bring surprised if they finished 4th or 5th.

Do you guys who rate spurs think they will finish above us? Coz that's what it comes down to. If they're so much better then they will amass more points than us in the remaining games and go further than us in the champions league.

36.) 08 Mar 2018
08 Mar 2018 21:36:21
For me, Spurs are not better than us tho they have a much more balanced side that ours at the monet and remember, Poch has been there longer than Klopp has been herte so you can't rule that out. They are a very good side, well balanced and have better players in some of the key positions (in defence and prollhy in midfield) BUT not in attack as we are way ahead of them there.

However as a team, we are the only ones they cannot seem to beat under Poch (1 win in 7 in all comps. ) and that is thanks to Klopp who has closed the gap and we are now neck and neck with them really, IMO. They did beat us at Wembley and credit to them BUT I disagree with the belief that they "murdered" us at Anfield. NO THEY DID NOT.

How can one say they murdered us at Anfield where as we were better in the first half and we chose to sit back in the 2nd half and let them have the ball and even at that, they only had 3 shots on goal with neither of their front 3 getting any shots on goal in open play for all 90 mins. Karius only had one true save to make vs Son in the whole game and they needed two dives, a worldie from Wanyama and a blunder fest by the refs, to get A point. If that is what being murdered looks like then many should go re-evaluate what being "Murdered" looks like cos being murdered is what we did to Porto, Brighton, Arsenal, WH, Huddersfield etc.

{Ed025's Note - lets just say that if it had been a boxing match...the ref would have stopped it after 60 mins and awarded spurs the game then..