28 Feb 2018 17:32:13
Banter and something to chew for the posters

A midfielder who could hold the line, break up the play, intercepts the pass, and playmake from deep or high up the pitch, long or short (in fact his long passing are his best attribute) . There has been many but the best in past 20 years is Xabi Alonso.

Jorginho possess similar traits. He could break up the play, intercepts the pass, His long and short passings are out of the world. He is also someone that likes to surge forward due the nature of Sarri's style ( Very simlalr approach to Klopp )

He is the playmaker we need and let's hope we get him!


1.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 18:03:49
I disagree. Alonso was fantastic but Gerrard was better. I know people here don't agree but he just was, in his liverpool days definitely. Alonso has been surrounded by better players than Gerrard in alonso's post liverpool career.

When at Liverpool if alonso was injured I was upset, if Gerrard was injured I was devastated.

It's just more of this valuing foreign players more than English players. Gerrard was the better footballer. I have absolutely no doubt and no one will change my mind. There isn't a great deal in it, granted but Gerrard was better. Do you not remember him tracking back 30 yards, a slide tackle to disposes the opponent. A 50 yard pass, straight on the toe of the attacker. Shot rebounds to the edge of the area and Gerrard is there to blast into the bottom corner. Alonso was a fantastic passer but so was Gerrard.

My last point. Torres still maintains that the best player he has played with is Steven Gerrard. When you look at the players he has played with that is some endorsement. Those players include alonso BTW.


2.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 18:04:33
I'd love him to sign for us, he'd be ONE of my number one choices as far as midfielders are concerned but I just can't see us getting him, we know Napoli don't want rid and they'd make it near enough impossible.


3.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 18:06:29
Gerrard could have gone to real Madrid or any team he wanted and I firmly believe if he had then no one would say alonso was the better player. Gerrard stayed here with his boyhood club, the club he loves and the fans hail someone who left our club as better than Gerrard when he simply wasn't.


4.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 18:16:03
Each to their own SS mate but personally I'd say Alonso was better then Gerrard, I loved Gerrard but he was no Alonso imo.


5.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 18:17:24
I do agree that jorginio sounds a fantastic player, I have a feeling that how far we get in ucl could determine the class of player who wants to sign for us. We have to finish top 4 of course. I think we will but now is not the time for complacency. There are some very good sides breathing down our necks.

I thought Chelsea played some lush football against utd. I only saw the highlights though. And spurs have Harry kane. I think ali's desperation in looking for penalties says a lot. I think they will miss out. I'm glad we didn't sign him. I don't think he has the right personality to be a liverpool player. Too dirty, too angry. And like my ex wife, a cheat.


6.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 18:49:42
Harry please, I don't know how many posts I've seen about Jorginho from you the last few days and I don't know how many more I can take;)
I would like is to sign him too but his name is getting a bit stale it seems already😂.


7.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 19:38:46
Fair play salah, each to their own but I almost felt angry with the scathing way you just dismissed Gerrard. I quote "Gerrard was good but he was no Alonso"

I can't talk about post liverpool regarding Alonso as I only saw him about 10/ 15 times but in the liverpool days he was not better than Gerrard. In fact he wasn't even close. In those days Steven Gerrard was A, our best player and ergo B, our best CM. It was never in doubt. The whole world knew Gerrard was better.

Don't let Gerrard's last season or two fog your opinion of the guy. He was our captain fantastic. It was Gerrard who took the game by the scruff of the neck. It was Gerrard who scored the 30 yard screamers every month. He was a phenomenon.

Maybe alonso'a post liverpool career has been the more successful and maybe he has won more but Gerrard could have walked into any team on the planet but he chose to stay with the club he is passionate about. It was often that passion that drove him on to score a late winner or to hold onto a lead against Barcelona.

He wasn't just "good" as you put it but is one of the best footballers this country has ever produced.

This is a bit silly but 11 Gerrard's against 11 Alonso'. Who would win? I'll tell you, it would be Gerrard. Pointless question sort of. Although, we are talking about CMs, who are required to do a bit of everything.

Alonso was undoubtedly world class, the guy oozed class. His passing was pretty much 2nd to none but he was no Steven Gerrard.


8.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 19:47:51
Ha Ha Ha Dred,
Have you ever seen me this over a Liverpool target 😁😁. I see Jorginho week in week out! He is a like Dembele when he skip padam players and surge forward. He becomes an Alonso when he pick insigne and Callejon from the deep.
Over the years we have bought some bang average dross for the midfiled. It’s time to get it straight.

Jorginho - Kieta - Henderson
Playmaker - Goal scorer - Ball winner

None that's what you call a complete midfield.


9.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 20:15:54
I think we signed a very good Cm last summer in Aoc. The guy is getting better too. I wasn't sold when heard he was coming to play CM but he has put in a few motm performances and is fast becoming my favourite player.

I think a midfield of

Aoc Henderson Keita

Is a massive midfield.

Alex still has a long way to go and I am no way saying he is the finished article but the signs are very promising.

We tend to think of CMs like viera, Gerrard, Keane, matic but the game has changed especially at Liverpool and Aoc seems (to me) to be the perfect type of player to fit this new type CM. Love him.


10.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 20:17:27
If I could sum up Alonso and Gerrard, I would put it like this: Alonso controlled matches, Gerrard changed them. Totally different players with different roles. I just wish Gerrard had made the most of his ability - who knows what he might have achieved.


11.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 20:30:47
I think in his very last season at Anfield, Alonso was better than Gerrard. From 2009 onwards Alonso was the best midfielder in the world right up to the day he retired, in my opinion. 2005-2008 Gerrard was just unreal though and probably the best player in the world, not just midfielder. It's a shame injuries slowed him down really.

Alonso and Gerrard both had everything technically. Shoot, pass, tackle, control, footwork etc. They were unbelievable. Gerrard had pace though and was also good at heading so he was better going forward, and Alonso had football intelligence and more composure so he was better defensively.

Only reason i say Alonso was better was his longevity at the top. Gerrard was at his peak for about 4 seasons, but Alonso was for more like 10 though. Maybe part of that is because he was in better teams, but i think it is because he didn't rely on physicsl attributes so age never caught up with him. He was still the best player at Real Madrid even though Ronaldo was there. Even in his twilight he was the best player at Bayern Munich too. Gerrard ceased to be Liverpool's best player in about 2011, just before Suarez signed, and he never reclaimed that crown in my opinion.

I do agree that Gerrard was a better player for Liverpool for most of Alonso's Liverpool career. I think if we'd kept Xabi a couple more years though, we'd have at least one league title. We were so close 😣.


12.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 20:39:08
Good analysis Phil but I'm glad he stayed at Liverpool. Maybe that is selfish of me. Very good point though mate.


13.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 20:45:58
If we are taking about when they played for Liverpool then there is no contest. Gerrard was far better he won us trophies and many many matches.

If it is a debate about their whole careers the choice is tougher but still Gerrard for me. Gerrard gets in a best ever Liverpool 11 and Alonso doesn't.


14.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 21:05:07
Supersalah we are supposed to be building a midfield to challenge for the title.

AOC Henderson Keita isn't good enough. Man City's midfield way better and they will buy. The midfield will have to score goals and make many assists (far more than they do now) . Also someone from the midfield will have to cover the front 3.

I am hoping for a top class midfield next year and Keita is a good start but still need 2 top class additions.

{Ed025's Note - im with you mark..


15.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 21:06:20
I agree Mark. And I agree with some of mk post too.

Of course alonso being at top of his profession longer is because he played at real Madrid while Gerrard lined up Robbie Keane jovanvic Christian poulsan and other terrible terrible players.

Gerrard was always our best player until his last season or two.


16.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 21:20:12
Gerrard was our best player for 7 or 8 years. Without him there would be no Istanbul.


17.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 21:33:54
I think you took me a little wrong SS mate.

I never said Gerrard was just 'good'. We all know he was an outstanding player, there's no doubting that and I've never said otherwise, I just think generally, Alonso was the better player. By saying this im in no way saying Gerrard was just good, I know he was an incredible player mate.


18.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 22:03:30
I dunno, I mean aoc milner and can took us to 2nd (briefly) the other day. Only one stop from top. Hendo aoc and Keita is the stronger midfield.

Agree that city midfield is amazing and a high bench mark for any team.


19.) 28 Feb 2018
28 Feb 2018 22:39:20
I can’t wait until tomorrow’s Jorginho post.


20.) 01 Mar 2018
01 Mar 2018 09:49:48
Amen SuperSalah.

If Gerrard had moved on to play for Madrid when he could have then this wouldn’t even be a debate.

Nobody who plays football at an elite level would argue Alonso over Gerrard.