20 Feb 2018 12:36:24
I was just reading down the page and something caught my eye from what MK had said. I quote.

'These are role models for children. Defending Aguero's actions is very dangerous. He's assaulted a spectator and we can't teach kids that it is acceptable to hit people who say something you don't agree with or like. You deal with this stuff professionally.
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You took the words out of my mouth with that statement mk, my 11 year old boy saw it and was gobsmacked, luckily he's at the age he knows it was stupid of Aguero to do that. Younger children who saw it, may think it's ok to do at schools etc. Players like Aguero and Suarez etc etc the list goes on, they have no respect for children who lookup to them as their idols. We need to see some sort of action against Aguero for what he's done, it is in no way acceptable.

End of the day they are meant to be professional footballers, acting like that when millions of people are watching is in no way professional, it's pathetic and needs dealing with. Some role model.

Totally agreed with the rest of your post MK but this bit stood out to me, nice one mate.

1.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 13:02:19
It really is just unprofessionalism and a poor example to set for children.

Maybe the fan has said something vulgar? Maybe he did spit but the cameras didn't catch it? That is besides the point though. Aguero hit him in the face. Call it a punch. Call it a slap. Call it a push. Aguero swung an arm at his face. Period.

He has then proceded to chase the guy and try and hit him again, having to be pulled away by a couple of people and dragged down the tunnel by what looked like a member of the City coaching staff.

He is a 29 year old man, and he was working at the time. He has to grow up and accept that on live telly he has just advocated violent retaliation to millions of children. It's unacceptable. If you can't handle it, go down the tunnel straight after the final whistle.

2.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 13:55:51
I agree he shouldn’t have lashed out but if it’s true he was spat at, then frankly I’m not surprised. They’re professionals but they’re also humans and there’s no excuse for surrounding, taunting and spitting at players if it’s true, I defy you, however professional you are, to keep your cool if that’s what happened.

Frankly the behaviour from both sets of fans was deplorable.

3.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 13:56:37
At one of my workplaces, a colleague of mine was fired for being too forceful in pulling a man away from a pregnant woman he was screaming at and then pushed. Will Augero even get a slap on the wrist?

4.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 14:00:47
If you physically attack a spectator, you already lose the moral high ground and hence, you lose the argument for any defence you may have. It is that simple. Those defending his actions is the reason our society is rotten to the core with no morals, no accountability with the "I confess he did it" or "He started it" attitude that is ravaging our civic society. To me, if you defend such nonsense, it tells us a lot more about you than it does about Aguero cos it tells me that you would do the exact same thing were you in his position. Again, it is that simple.

5.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 14:19:00
I've seen all the footage available (to the public) of the incident and cannot see any spitting SGred. That is the excuse coming out of the City camp though so i thought I'd mention it.

I've had far worse done at work and kept my cool. My last boss squared up to me and screamed expletives in my face. He was 50+ years old and i was 23 at the time so he was trying to tread me down because he was on a power trip. He was so close i could feel his breath and spit on my face. I calmly told him he was being unprofessional and that i was leaving his office, maturely walked away, reported him to HR, and put my notice in two weeks later after I found a new job.

Aguero is big enough and ugly enough to rise above this sort of behaviour, even if there was spit or vulgar language involved. I can't vouch for what was said but i certainly can't see any spitting or even a motion to do it. Sounds like a soft excuse to me, to try and deflect away from Aguero's actions.

6.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 14:46:02
Brover, if it's true that a fan spat in his face or he felt threatened- I must admit that I'd have the same reaction. Maybe it's my upbringing but if a bully assaulted me I'm not going to stroll away regardless of how scared I'd be-perhaps that's where we differ in generations. It may be the actions of a Neanderthal or maybe if a guy strolled into my work place after hours and threatened me I'd stand my ground. I don't believe this was a cantona assault. This was a lad face to face and he reacted. I don't like the guy but he is human and flawed. It was mentioned about kids seeing this and being affected. Can we not be so precious and realise sometimes it's not black and white and that the world isn't as fair as it should be. I get your frustrated point brover and I'm not attacking. I'm just suggesting sometimes there is vindication in unsavoury acts as un pc as they appear in this world of today. I don't condone violence but if I'm ever graced with children I'd prefer to point out what a scumbag the fan was first and foremost.

7.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 15:09:10
Been spat at in my opinion is as bad as been punched if not worse but Aguero is a professional, well, we thought he was. He should've just walked away if that was the case n went through the proper channels, lashing out like he did, he did himself no favours.

I'm not defending Suarez in any single way because he's a nutter but can you imagine if that was him last night? he'd of been plastered on every single newspaper and action would be taken against him, that's fact not opinion. I'll be very disappointed if there's no action taken against Aguero.

I honestly don't buy it that he was even spat at, I really don't, they are just trying to justify it which is absolutely pathetic IF that is the case.

8.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 15:27:57
If you spit in someone’s face you can’t really have any complaints if you then get lamped to be fair, two wrongs don’t make a right though and aguero shouldn’t have lashed out like that when there is a high risk of a riot breaking out around him, that’s if he was spat at, it didn’t look like it to me.

9.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 15:32:37
I do agree it is not as bad as Cantona. He had no reason to feel threatened unlike Aguero. So you can argue Aguero has lashed out in panic.

It is the fact that Aguero chases after him to try and hit him again though, that really makes this bad. He's not happy throwing his fist in the guys face instinctively, he wants to hit him again.

I understand that parents can explain to their kids that it is wrong, but as someone who was a kid about 8 years ago, i can categorically confirm that no child 100% listens to their parents. Parents should not have to do it. Doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that people are happy to ban a fan for life just for approaching a player and saying a few words, but reluctant to ban the player who turned it into a fist fight?

There is no defence for Aguero here. The only real question is, was the fan as bad as him (did they spit)? If they did spit, maybe that reduces Aguero's ban slightly. He still deserves to be banned though. I just can't believe i just took a 24 point penalty on my fantasy team reshuffling 6 players to get enough money to swap in Aguero 🤦🏻 he scored 4 goals; i was weak!

10.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 15:33:28
Totally disagree, if he spat at him I don't blame him whatsoever, if someone spat at you wherever you were work or otherwise would you turn the other cheek? I certainly wouldn't I'd of reacted far more aggressively than Aguero did. Fed up of this self righteous moralising, good on you Sergio.

11.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 15:36:43
Let's hope they get docked 18 points!

12.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 15:42:39
'Right, who brought the rope boys. We'll string him up on that tree'.

Guys, this is a massive overreaction, Aguero's actions wern't violent, they were provoked and this is a storm in tea cup.

I've had to watch the video five times to try and figure out the awful thing I must have missed before realising this is just a ridiculous witch hunt.

13.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 15:56:04
I think the real tragedy is indeed the fantasy football league mk 😉 I'm sure a number of people are going to be desperately reshuffling their squad. I agree with you about him chasing after the fan but again I'd say it was more reactionary. Caught in the moment. Lots of bodies with grappling hands and fight or flight mentality. Anyone who has been assaulted could attest to such things. The fan didn't exactly run away with his tail between his legs and continued to harass the lad- from my viewing he wasn't alone either with another lad going for aguero as well. It was messy and bad for the game regardless of the fallout. Again I stress, I'm not condoning violence but he's human. The bigger issue were both sets of fans imo and obviously allowing fans to invade the pitch. It's such a shame that this has overshadowed pep and his "legends" and their inability to meet defeat with class or respect. Long may the love in continue with that muppet because with the money spent and the players brought in, any manager in England could be on top of the premier league at the moment.

14.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 16:05:21
I’m with you Putney. Just watched it now - was expecting a proper punch or at least a jab. I’ve been hit and pushed harder getting on a train at rush hour. It would seem as if the Wigan fan is proper goading him as well. Nothing in it for me.

15.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 16:14:01
Putney Red is right, hand bags. Clearly a slow week in the world of lfc if we're debating prats from Wigan and little Ken.

16.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 16:33:12
"Weren't violent"? He hit someone in the face and then chased after them to hit them again 😂

If that is acceptable anywhere in modern society, it's a joke. You might all say "I'd have done it to" but i really don't think most people would. It was the kind of reaction you expect from a 12 year old, not a 29 year old public figure on live tele at the time! Even IF he spat, so what? It's just a bit of saliva for gods sake. In all honesty, i think I'd have laughed at how pathetic the bloke was and drove to my £3m home in my £150k Range Rover, to spend the night with my supermodel wife whilst he spent the night worrying about never being allowed back into a football stadium.

Sometimes you just have to step back, and wise up. People who target you are usually just jealous and they want a reaction. Aguero has behaved with petulance and a lack of class and I'd like to think he knows that and is already preparing an apology with his lawyers.

17.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 16:35:19
Hyperbole living strong!

18.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 16:48:58
I heard the fan was singing the new Mo Salah song Adam and Aguero had a hissy fit because of it mentioning his religion 😉

Jesus Aguero is only human and no one knows what went on.

19.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 16:54:07
Aguero may have made a mistake. Everyone acting like they never made a mistake on here. Talk about role models yes I understand but many parents/ brothers/ sisters are potential role models but they will stay make mistakes. The footage will be looked at and he will be dealt with if found guilty, end of. Aguero maybe wrong but I think it is unfair to compare him to the likes of Suarez when it comes to unprofessionalism.

Suarez did things a numerous of times despite the club backing him publicly and each time it was for his own personal agenda not the clubs.

20.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 16:54:44
MK, you've got carried away on your high horse.

21.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 17:03:09
Wow. I'll leave it at that.

22.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 17:23:55
I agree with sgred. They are high paid sport stars but they are also human beings (not sure about zlatan) . If you've ever been to a game you may know how Charged the atmosphere can be. My auntie lives in London and is a Palace fan, she used to take me when they played Liverpool.

She also took me to Millwall Palace and I tell you it was crazy, the players were proper going for it with the physical challenges I think there were two red cards, one of each side and there were loads of yellow cards. The Palace forward (big blonde bloke, long hair) was getting battered but he was giving it back, he kept squaring up to Millwall players. Halfway through the 2nd half these two blokes stood up about 10/ 15 rows back (we were in the Palace end, behind the goal) they took off their black leather jackets and had blue Millwall shirts on.

No one did anything but the Millwall lads started punching people, a few Palace fans reacted and then the stewards split it up and took the Millwall lads away. The sad thing is they were both over 35, probably over 40. You would have thought they would have grown up by 40. I was only 12/13 and was quite scared. Millwall were singing about ambulances and stuff, and we fans were told to stay in the stadium after the game.

My point, or rather sgred's point, is that after a charged game, when you get beat, an important game and someone spits on you, I can understand aguero hitting out, I probably would too.

Oh, the Palace game was a draw I think 2 2. Could have been 1 1, 3 2 or 2 1. I can't remember, it was 25 years ago.

23.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 18:03:53
Those were majorly messed up times super salah. Millwall have always been nutters though. I know it still goes on but at least it's not glorified in the media as much as it used to be. Surprising really with sky at almost every game. ah come on back mk, sure it's a grand bit of banter.

24.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 18:33:36
It still goes on in the lower league aoe. I am very glad those days are behind us, it still happens on a small scale in the Premier league but it's organised and goes on away from the stadiums and away from the Real fans and their kids. Animals without brains. I hate violence with a passion but I also hate people who spit at people, Aguero didn't start it, he reacted. That i can understand, it wasn't good behaviour of course but it was human behaviour, understandable.

25.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 18:34:13
I really think ya'll are blowing this up a bit. Its more complex than aguero shouldn't punch somebody right? I mean this powder puff compared to bowyer and dyer!

26.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 18:54:06
I think it's two mindsets on the site to be honest. I could be wrong but it appears to be those defending aguero are roughly 30+ and those under are condemning it. Maybe I'm reading too much in to it. There is a generation gap between those who remember the world before the internet and those that have grown up with it. It's rare I've seen such an argument equally split.

27.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 18:55:43
MK, everyone is different mate. That you can self-regulate in that situation iant to say others can. And crucially, given all the context it is also not to say or expect that with all that added complexity on the pitch, that we would expect any player to self-regulate and walk away. that's why we have laws, security at the stadiums etc zeroing in on aguero here to me high idealistic and has lost all the context from a highly-charged and emotional situation.

28.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 20:56:40
It's a personal choice to be fair Faith. I got into a fight at 12 years old and it ended with me choking my class mate until he passed out and then giving him a black eye as he fell to the floor. Swore I'd never use violence as a means of retaliation/ revenge again.

4 years later i got into a serious argument with my brother and i put my fist through a door instead of hitting him. I do not agree with it under any circumstances, unless you feel you are in danger and it is your only means of defence. That is why i can forgive the first swing from Aguero as it may have been a scared panic. To go after him though was a clear act of vengeance that should have been punished. Never mind though. We move on i guess. He's got away with it now so it's done and dusted.

29.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 21:02:02
aoe - you're probably right there! I'm 33 and on the 'leave aguero alone' side! I like to think our age and maturity helps to bring life experience to the debate lol :p to our under 30s, I am kidding of course!

back to the point, have made my stance pretty clear in that it is too simple to expect aguero to do the right thing so to speak. obviously the highest moral standard is the ideal, but as is life, these things are grey with layers of complexity. for me FA came up with the most pragmatic outcome.

30.) 20 Feb 2018
20 Feb 2018 21:23:53
Mk, no one is disagreeing about the choice. Your punitive approach to disseminating the situation in this instance lacks a bit of context. in all of your examples they seem fair in the context. In this case no player should be expected to have to deal with a fan on the pitch. once the fan is on the pitch, all bets are off until the people who are paid to control and de-escalate those situations do their job. I must stress tho that I agree with the ideal! just that the added layer of context makes it not so easy to say that aguero should do this or that!