12 Feb 2018 10:33:50
Jamaal lascelles needs buying. He just needs to empty out his pockets before he leaves, don't wanna be bringing lukaku over with him.

1.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 11:17:16
I agree mate. Fantastic player who could play at a much higher level than a relegation dog fight. With him in the side, Newcastle are solid and even Shelvey and Diame can be fired into performing well ahead of him. Without him though, the whole team looks nervous and two many players start to coast knowing full well there is nobody to chew them out.

I'd actually have him in my top 10 centre backs in the Premier League. He walks into any team in the top 6 except Spurs, for me. He's better than Otamendi, better than Smalling, better than Matip, better than Koscielny, and better than Rudiger. Alderweireld is world class though so no shame in being a worse centre back than him.

Problem Lascelles has is that he is not glamourous. He makes defending look effortless like Ben Mee does, and for that reason, people seem to think he just doesn't get challenged enough. The media in particular are incapable of understanding that a centre back who makes everything look easy is usually doing things right positionally and reading the game well. They love a last ditch slide tackle from a recovering player caught out of position, sadly. So that gets highlighted as good defending.

2.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 11:29:23
This season he has made 24 appearances. Newcastle have conceded 25 goals in those 24 games, only letting in 3 goals twice; once against Man City and once against Chelsea. Average of about 1 goal a game conceded.

In the 6 games he has missed, Newcastle have conceded 18 goals at an average of 3 a game. They even let in 3 against Nottingham Forest in the cup, without him in the side.

The way he brings out the best in those around him is astonishing. I'd sign him in a heartbeat. He's also a brilliant bloke off the pitch. Have a read up about what he did for an ex-marine amputee, recently. Compassion to off the pitch to match his passion on it.

3.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 12:47:26
I have been advocating Lascelles since the start of the season. Hardcore defender who puts his body on the line and also has a decent range of passing. Perfect partner for VVD imo.

4.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 13:06:21
Not fr me, MK. I am skeptical of defenders or CB's who play in a defensive formation to begin with. See Michael Keane from his Burnley days. Lascalles plays in one at Newcastle. Also, Rafa is very defensive-minded so that is the way he sets his team out to play even when they need a win. Klopp does not play that way and we have seen what signing players from defensive formations can do here. See Dejan Lovren at Saints.

We need defenders or CB's who can play in an open system where you will be required to defend on one on one bases, out wide and in space. The only CB's that can do that are ironically, at Spurs in Vertonghen and Alderweireld. Why? They are ex FB's who had to defend in space. Pls, spare me the Mee's and Lascalles. They don't fit the way we play cos there will be less protection for them in our system. Just my opinion.

5.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 13:55:57
It is a fair argument BRover but it is also entirely based on guesswork. You don't know if they could play in a more expansive system because they've never been given the chance to show if they can.

Keane is a poor example anyway, because he only ever looked good because of Mee being a great leader and Dyche being a great coach. He is a centre back who looks awful in a Sam Allardyce team which says it all!

More to the point, Newcastle played a very open game against Man United yesterday and Lascelles still had Lukaku in his pocket. You are judging him based solely on his Premier League games. Last season in the Championship Newcastle were far more open as a team and he still coped just fine. You can argue the quality of opposition was weaker, but that argument only goes as far as the one that his quality of team mates was also weaker than it would be for us.

Lascelles has pace and enough ability on the ball to cope at a higher level for me. Just my opinion though and i appreciate yours is different.

Our problem isn't that Lovren came from a defensive system. Our problem is that we are too often buying the wrong player. Lovren looked good because of Fonte. Sakho looked good because of Silva. Matip looked good because of Howedes.

We are not signing the leader. We are signing the headless chickens alongside them. Everton did the same when they signed Keane instead of Mee.

6.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 14:21:43
Valid argument MK. I can agree with that. How about we marry your last point of view with mine. Now, that would be a good scenario, right?

7.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 14:44:36
we might all be surprised how well Gomez fits in along side VVD, with the right coaching and game time, he could well be the right man, and we already have him .

8.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 15:37:25
Agreed Happy, but let's not forget that he is still only 20 and a couple of seasons at right back to ease him into the highest level of the game won't hurt anyone. He will still get plenty of game time. He needs to learn to judge the flight of a ball before we put him at centre back though. That is a crucial part to a centre backs game as they are frequently called into question aerially, often against huge target men. He's got another 15-18 years ahead of him to learn how to play at centre back. There is no rush in my opinion.

As this season has gone on, Gomez has shown more and more that he is a supreme talent. However he has also shown why he isn't ready to be thrown to the wolves at centre back. The thought of him facing Lukaku, Kane, Carroll or Morata on a cross into the box gives me nightmares. At least at right back, he will be challenging for the ball more consistently with generally smaller left forwards such as Sanchez, Sane and Hazard!

9.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 15:43:45
I'm not sold on him either, letting in over a goal a game is not a record that should be bragged about. Nowhere near lovren or matip.

10.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 16:26:05
Spot on, MK regarding Gomez. Also, Gomez at RB allows us to go 3 at the back as he becomes a CB hence, we have 3 at the back when we attack and more protected when we are countered on. Gomez is NOT ready for the CB role yet and NEEDS to cut out his mistakes at RB cos at CB, those mistakes will be punished, ASAP.

11.) 12 Feb 2018
12 Feb 2018 16:41:53
I wish we let in a goal a game 😂 We've conceded 31 in 27 games. Maybe if we had let in 3 or 4 less goals, a couple of our draws would be wins and we'd be ahead of Man United. There are fine margins in football. What is not fine is that Newcastle concede on average 2 more goals a game without Lascelles. Or that they have 6 clean sheets in 24 games with him, and have only conceded a single goal in 13 more of those games. They haven't even won a single game without him in the side. He has scored 3 goals this season. 2 winners and won to earn his side a draw. So he is worth 7 of their 28 points with his goals alone!

Just watch him a few times mate and you'll see how vital he is to Newcastle. Without him they totally capitulate as soon as they concede one goal. He is the only character in their whole squad and he has a winning mentality. I'd drive to Newcastle and bring him to Liverpool myself.

12.) 13 Feb 2018
13 Feb 2018 12:03:50
If you rate him that much mk I will have to watch him more. I know he has a good reputation. 1 goal a game may not be great, but for a newly promoted team with the lack of talent they have, it is pretty good. I will pay more attention to him.