Liverpool v Spurs - A Belated Liverpool Perspective

08 Feb 2018 09:51:10
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Spurs - A Belated Liverpool Perspective


1.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 10:15:32
Great read, Ed. I do have to make some points tho. On the Karius thing, many say he should have tried to catch it BUT I have watched Eriksen's cross again and there was some bend and power behind it and Karius, not know what was around him, decided to punch it and he did punch it a good 25 yards away and had Can and Ox been switched on esp. Can who let the punched ball get past him for no reason, Wanyama's goal does not happen. Also, GK's are coached to punch way too much now so there's that problem as well.

Also, Klopp made the subs that were right to be made, IMO BUT the boys simply added nothing to the game nor did they even execute what Klopp may have asked them to do and that is a shame To me, Lovren was unfortunate with the sliced kick cos Alli passed the ball and it deflected first off, Wiji which made it a prob for Lovs, IMO.

As for the refs, they were a shambles and you described that perfectly. On first pens, the refs were not even sure nor did they even know the offside rule (the media is trying to make up new interpretations to protect them which is sad) so based on that damning convo we all heard, they pretty much gave a pen w/ o having the NEEDED info to determine if pen or not AND gave the second pen cos the ref was not even sure. They gave it on a whim or cos well, they could. Allowing a lino to influence a game this much is damning indictment of the ref himself. That is the incompetence we were served with and I am still gutted about it. As for VVD, we will have to persevere with him, I guess.

{Ed001's Note - sorry I disagree, Karius SHOULD have caught that, the curl on the ball was predictable and there was no one near him to make it difficult. It was poor goalkeeping, end of. Can could not be expected to deal with it being punched past him from there. He is expecting the keeper to take a simple catch. No goalkeeper is coached to punch a simple catch away when under no pressure. The punch is coached to use under pressure to avoid dropping it at the feet of an attacker, not when you have 6 yards of room to slip up into as Karius did. It is even more bizarre when he has shown that he will try and catch those balls in other games, no idea why he suddenly flapped at that one.

I disagree completely on the subs, in particular Matip was just inviting pressure on, not just because he is not good enough, but because it signified an intent to try and hang on. Wijnaldum was the completely wrong sub as he offers nothing.}


2.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 10:20:13
Thanks ed
I was watching Robertson quite closely that game, I wanted to see his crossing in particular, got to say it was truly terrible in that game, even when under no pressure his “crosses” where not only not on target but not actually landing on the pitch half the time, you would think a player playing for an elite club in an elite league would be able to cross a football to within a few yards of where it’s supposed to go 90% of the time, 90% of his “crosses” where wildly off target.

{Ed001's Note - it was really frustrating as he was given plenty of space and time to deliver and made a complete hash of it repeatedly.}


3.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 10:34:37
Thanks for the review Ed, very well written.

{Ed001's Note - sorry it took so long. This laptop is driving me mad lately. Each Windows update seems to make things worse! I must have written that review about 5 times before I managed to actually get it to save and post without the pc rebooting and losing it all.}


4.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 10:40:13
I agree with your assessment, Ed. I am just trying to figure out his thinking in that split second, that's all esp. when like you, I have seen him catch balls under more pressure than that before.

{Ed001's Note - I think it was just a mistake. It happens, even to the best of them. The big question is how well he responds. The best keepers just get on with it and it does not knock their confidence, the rest let it affect their form.}


5.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 10:46:09
Good review Ed. Harsh to ignore all the good Karius did, but his one mistake was a big one so i see your point. He did a lot of good in the game too though. His save from Son in particular was fantastic and one of those saves you don't expect a keeper to make.

Agreed entirely on every other point though. Especially Henderson. The win was lost as soon as he came off to be honest. We totally lost control of the midfield after that. Praying he is fit to do the full 90 in the two legs vs Porto. I think a lot of people under estimate them as a team.

{Ed001's Note - I know I should have pointed out other stuff about Karius, but I just couldn't look past that mistake because it was such a glaring clanger that resulted in a goal.}


6.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 10:48:24
Switch to mac ed.

{Ed001's Note - god no, I can't afford a Mac! Plus they do not have the power to do all the stuff I use my PC to do at once. What I need is a return to a desktop, which I will do next month if I can afford one.}


7.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 10:59:03
Ed maybe you should save your work after every paragraph rather than only when it is just about all finished?

{Ed001's Note - I do, but sometimes the file gets corrupted, even though I am saving it to cloud storage. I usually have to save more often than that as I rarely get a full paragraph typed up between editing. It wasn't so bad before, as it flickered just before the display driver crashed everything, so it gave me time to save and close all the open files and then open them on my tablet to ensure I had a working copy. However the latest update has taken away that flicker so now I just have to hope it doesn't corrupt.}


8.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 11:03:02
Ed I have also noticed that Karius often does things that are completely random in relation to how he usually plays. For instance, you mentioned how he would usually just catch the ball rather than strangely punching it. I think I've seen him do other things like this, for example, his game against Arsenal when he was caught dwelling on the ball by an Arsenal player THREE times. When had Karius ever before even looked like doing that? Never! Yet in one game he does it three times?! It was bizarre.

{Ed001's Note - at least he learnt from that and hasn't done it since, so hopefully he will not make this mistake again.}


9.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 11:14:07
That's the thing Ed, they're always these weird and unique incidents that are isolated.

{Ed001's Note - yeah, he is an odd one.}


10.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 11:14:44
Jeez Ed, is your laptop from 1995?!

{Ed001's Note - no mate, though it is not top spec now it is decent. 2015 though, so it is getting on in comp terms!}


11.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 11:18:09
I'm good with that response Ed as you said, he no longer dallies on the ball like he did at Arsenal so hopefully, he will be more aware next time. Karius is a very competent GK who just needs to improve quickly if he wants to be no. 1 next season. It's all part of the learning process, I guess.

However, I must admit like MK did a while back that Karius regardless of what you may think about punch or catch and there is disagreement on that as I've seen elsewhere, HE saved our season with that pen save. Why? If that goes in, we lose and BOOM goes the dynamite with the fans on SM and all that. We shall see how important that save is in the coming games. Also, if Spurs had to dive, cheat and have the refs on their side just to get A POINT at Anfield, then they are in more trouble than they think. YNWA!

{Ed001's Note - would we have lost if he hadn't saved it? Who knows as everything that happened afterwards wouldn't have happened either. It might have just petered out into a 1-1 draw, we could have snatched a second and won. It is just guesswork.}


12.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 11:30:42
A computer is out of date before it is even released into stores, sadly 😂.

{Ed001's Note - very true.}


13.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 11:40:55
True, Ed. No one really knows in the end. At the time tho, it did not look like we could have come back from 2-1 had Kane scored the first pen cos to your point, we were inviting too much pressure and personally, I don't think we would have had the mental fortitude to get back ion the game at that time (84th min) . I just thought that the save gave the boys the bounce they needed to go get the second cos Spurs were deflated after the pen miss. All in all as you say, it's all guesswork. Thanks for the replies, man.

{Ed001's Note - I do agree, but sometimes those kind of things push teams to respond, when they feel harshly done by. Whereas they felt justice had been done so never had to respond when it was saved.}


14.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 12:01:55
Thanks for the review ed. Just to add on the whole karius issue, when I watched the replay it seemed as though he planted his feet, deliberately or otherwise, and punches it out. So not sure if he had a misstep and didn’t sort out his feet or something.

And it was weird with TAA as well, as in more than a few times I thought he was leaving a lot of space out wide. As though he was acting like a 3rd cb ala Gomez.


15.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 12:16:37
The Robertson thing is a weird one.

When he played earlier in the season his crosses had exceptional shape on them, they were whipped in, almost possible for the Defenders to deal with, but they weren't going to the right places. (This could well have been because he was just hitting them aimlessly, but I personally believe that it was because he was not used to how we play and the other players in the team were not used to the art of flying in at the near post to try and get on the end of crosses) I was hoping that everything would click and it would be excellent.

However, his crosses appear to have got worse and worse and still none of our players are making the darting near post runs to get on to them if they were decent.

Ed do you think this is just a case of a player just not really fitting the way we play and losing his confidence because it wasn't coming off for him straight away?

Would love to have a battling Scot in the team but for me LB is still an area that needs work and Robertson may well be replaced.

Cheers in advance.


16.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 13:25:53
RD, this is where Robbo needs REALLY improve and where Moreno is way better than him. Robbo is a battler who won't back down from a challenge, ever. However, he gets the ball a lot with a lot of space to work with and then, nothing. Must do better, man.


17.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 14:56:16
I think it’s a tough one but he should have caught it, minor mistake as it was a split second decision and he punched it far but was punished badly, overall I’m happy with how he played.

Great review Ed, well balanced. We probably didn’t deserve more than the draw and it some poor play from the subs, particularly Gini who I like was anonymous (glad I wasn’t the only one but the subs didn’t help TAA at all, he looked badly confused and exposed on right midfield, and we had no out ball) but also the refereeing was so so poor. Penalties should both have been overturned on both accounts, both offside and both minor touches with significant simulation. A touch in itself doesn’t mean a penalty is definite decision.


18.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 15:01:22
think that I had mentioned it before how we sometimes are too narrow at the back, Erickson was totally unmarked out wide, and his cross was a volley of sorts, quality cross, pity we didn't clear it, also the throw in for their second goal, I think that we should have defended that better, even putting a man in front of Llorente, he was the obvious target, but still with all the diving and messing about from the ref and lino, Spuds could still only manage a draw,
now onto Football Karma, things will swing our way soon .


19.) 08 Feb 2018
08 Feb 2018 19:02:58
Spot on, Happy. Spurs had to dive and cheat that much to get a point. I wonder how much diving and cheating they would have to do to get a win. Like you said, football karma is a b-word esp. after Spurs perennial loser manager, literally came out to support his players diving to "trick" the ref, I expect him to get a taste of his own medicine. Just ask Big Sacam after he ran his gob, supporting the fake pen in the last PL Merseyside derby while the same thing happened to him in the FA Cup derby with Lallana (both were non pens, btw) and his face said it all.


20.) 09 Feb 2018
09 Feb 2018 11:43:05
Excellent assessment Ed, my only observation would be you were kind to Bobby who I agree worked his socks off again but was really poor with the ball in this game.