29 Jan 2018 06:20:58
Apparently out of the last 10 shots on target against us we've conceded 9 of them. I know this has been done to death but until we get a top class keeper then we won't win any trophies. Even the best defence and midfield can't stop every shot against us.


1.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 07:12:13
Whilst I think stats are useful have a look at those 9 goals and figure out how many of them could or should have been saved. Sometimes keepers don't have much say in it.


2.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 07:41:48
Those stats are severely misleading as if you don't take into account the quality of the shots, the collection of defensive errors that may have led to them and if there is a higher probability of the GK making the save. Again, stats like that are meaningless w/ o context.


3.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 07:47:48
Should have been saved? Well 4 out of the 5 goals West Brom scored could and would have been stopped by an average keeper. Their second was hit straight down the centre but Mignolet has shocking reflexes. Their 3rd was a header from 4 yards out that Mignolet literally didn't even attempt to claim. Their 4th doesn't go in if Mignolet is in position on his line, and not in no mans land, and their 5th was just weak goal keeping. How can a 6ft4 keeper not win an aerial duel in a one on one situation where he can use his hands?

West Brom's first goal was a screamer to be fair.

In terms of the Swansea and City games, Karius should really have done better at his front post from Sane, but he had no chance with the others.

Karius in my opinion, is not the long term answer. He's had a lot of games this season, and although he's not made loads of mistakes, he still doesn't make those fantastic saves you need your keeper to make in order to challenge for things regularly. However, Karius is still 5 times the keeper Mignolet is, and if he gets a sustained run in the second half of the season, who knows? I still think we'll be after a new keeper in June.


4.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 07:53:29
The keeper is the last form of defence and should be better protected imo.


5.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 08:18:04
Better protected? The keepers have faced 10 shots in 3 games. If you want it reduced to less than that, then kiss goodbye to attacking football.

Our defence is error prone and on the whole, not good enough but that is highlighted and exaggerated because we don't have a keeper who can save even 50% of the shots they face. Let alone the 70-80% that guys like Nick Pope and David De Gea are averaging. Man for man, our defence is at least as good as Man United's. The difference is they have a solid DM in front of them and a world lass keeper behind them. The sad reality is, there isn't a lot of good defenders about. However there is a lot of good DM's and keepers. I understand if Klopp doesn't see a DM in hos philosophy, but it would be nice to have a guy in between the sticks because we might as well not have one right now. Every time they are called into making a save, it goes in. At least Karius can kick and catch a ball, i guess. He's no shot stopper though.


6.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 08:44:21
Both keepers are gash. Stop trying to cover it up when th excuses and sign a new one like city did when they bought a bad keeper, just get a new one.


7.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 08:46:33
Our best form of defence is our attack right now. If teams negate our attack then we have little or no defence at all because we're too busy trying to crack a team open. We need to learn to be patient and grind results when this happens. We seriously need a plan b for teams who sit back. I think the problem ultimately lies in our midfield. When we can't create attacks, we become more vulnerable to their attacks Against Huddersfield we need to play lallana, hendo and ox in midfeild. can and winaldum have been bang average against stubborn sides and ox is clearly the better of the 2.


8.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 10:22:34
BRover the fact that we have conceded 9 goals from 10 shots is hardly deceiving. And it's not like it is making good keepers look bad. I don't need to look at them stats to make up my judgement about our keepers.


9.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 12:48:49
Disagree, Jay. Your stats does not prove any of that, IMO. If the ten shots that led to goals were the ones the GK had no chance with like the first one from Jay Rod, or the tap in from Jay Rod, or the own goal which would have been a tap in had Matip not scored mistakenly, or the final two goals City scored with our defence all over the shop leaving our GK exposed or the Swansea goal were the shot was tow inches off the post where the keeper sees it thru a raft of bodies and reacts late cos he sees it late then your stats lack context hence, are meaningless if you want to use them to judge the GK's. What should bother you is the way the midfielders went AWOL and never tracked runners from midfield which made the defenders cover for them hence, drawn out of position and leaving huge gaps for attackers to runt thru. That is the main prob, IMO cos if that is fixed, the Gks and CB's are in position and are protected. And if the GK screws up with a shot he has a chance with then you can criticize like Karius should have done better with vs City tho, it was a fierce bullet from him.

There are other ways you can judge the GK's that would be fair and sensible BUT throwing out stats that lack context, is just blowing smoke. There's a reason why people say stats are meaningless, overall as they do not tell the whole story which yours don't, IMO.


10.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 13:02:42
Having Migs in goal just encourages teams to have a pop at us. It’s like when you’re at school and you’re keeper gets injured so you chuck in goal your worst outfield player who’s is usually overweight and has zero football intelligence. Opposition start taking shots from the halfway line.


11.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 15:16:41
Mk, I think you are way OTT with your assessment of the WBA goals here. I agree with Rover here. For me it is not about Migs or Karius. It is about the collection of errors and lack of fight that led to the goals that are my issue. Of the ten goals we conceded only the first City goal can be at best attributed to a GK error tho Sane took a belter. The others were well taken goals especially vs WBA with Rodriguez that no GK would have saved esp of they are that exposed, IMO. The fact of the matter is that we were brilliant defensively for four months cos out boys tho made the odd mistake, were solid as a group. That is not happening right now cos there are top many poor performances from midfield defensively as well as a lack of desire and fight as a whole. THAT is the real issue, IMO.

On a side note, the fact that you think Karius is five times better than Migs just shows how much of a miracle it is that we are where we are in the table, lol.


12.) 29 Jan 2018
29 Jan 2018 17:19:01
Ok BRover mate disregarding those stats I'd still say Mignolet is crap and although Karius is better he is still not good enough. No stats needed there just eyesight.


13.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 09:11:39
The team balance is so attack orientated that no defender coming in or keeper will stop the leak look at our attack to defence stats our shots on goal how many on target and how many scored out of that now look at what we conceed in the same stats we must have at least 15 shots per game and teams probably get 5 off against us so we are wasteful with our chances and sloppy at the back.