10 Jan 2018 18:23:51
I believe Firmino could make a perfect No10, he's a great tackler, has vision and can score some classy goals. A great team player who could develop into our new number 10, and LFC buy a top striker.

Any thoughts?

1.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 18:44:48
No no no no no why would you want him there as a number 10? He’s makes us tick playing we’re he does.

2.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 19:10:03
If he was good there, why did Klopp stop playing him there since 15/ 16 when he played there behind Origi, Studge or Benteke?

3.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 19:16:26
Because origi benteke or sturridge weren't reliable/ good enough.

4.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 19:31:29
Tel, I can see why you've said that.

However, Firmino is flying this season. He's been class. It makes no sense to change things in that regard. Just because PC has gone I don't think we should be advocating large changes to the team, system or way we play.

Firmino is one of the best strikers in the prem on current form. Probably only behind Kane and Aguero.

5.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 19:34:54
I see what your Thinking but I think his best position is up top. What I will say is I'd prefer him number 10 than out wide.
I can't stand it when he's on the flanks he might as well not be on the pitch! Bobby is Great up top though and it's a Phil replacement we need, a world class one, not a bargain basement Lazini.

6.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 20:06:19
I happen to agree with you Tel, but it would be a risk to change a successful formation.

7.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 20:08:00
Personally nah, I don't think we should change his position, now when he is playing the way he is this season he's utterly fantastic, moving him could change things drastically, then we'll have all the people doubting his abilities again.

8.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 20:23:04
Lanzini - no thank you. Firminho doesn't make us tick. It hasn't ticked well for him in the last 5 games as a starter or as a sub.

Everton 30 mins no impact
West Brom dire like the rest
Leicester had to be moved out wide so Salah went as centre forward. Look what happened.
Burnley 30 mins no impact
Everton cup the system didn't work without Courts and Salah. I think he had one poor shot in 90 minutes.

I think he has done well this season but people don't half go overboard about him on here. He has only 9 prem goals and I don't remember many of them being a winning goal. If any?

There was a debate on sky about other centre forwards in the league and how they will be judged. Big games is the answer how they do when it matters the most. I fail to remember Firminho being our main man in any big games. I used to look for Gerrard, Suarez then Courts. Now I look for Salah and Mane.

9.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 21:13:43
Mark you are talking out your rear end. Those are actually just 5 of our last 8 games. In the other 3 in between that you conveniently missed out he got 4 goals and 2 assists. Or did you forget the Bournemouth, Arsenal and Swansea games happened?

Besides, i fail to see how his goal and assist return has any relevance to claims he makes us tick. That doesn't show how many times he won back possession high up the pitch, or how many times he created space for others, or how many times he played a key role in an attack.

If you actually bothered to watch us, you wouldn't forget about half of the games and you'd see the impact Firmino actually has on the team. If you do want to make a judgement based entirely on whether he scored or not though, best to get your stats right. 4 goals and 2 assists in his last 8 games is a very good record for a player who is primarily in the team to lead the press and link up play. Our system is built around Firmino dropping in to create space for the wide forwards to come inside. Hence why Coutinho, Salah and Mane have 43 goals for us this season. That wouldn't happen without Firmino's creativity and unselfishness.

Nice try though.

10.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 21:28:01
Mark08, you mean big games like in the CL (five or 6 goals) this season, vs Arsenal in both games? And what does it matter if it is a winning goal or not? When has that ever been a yardstick for rating a striker or footballer? You're scraping at the bottom of the barrel to find something to slate Bobbie with and BUT please, keep digging.

11.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 21:24:53
Exactly, Tel. He is better than those players at CF and does what those players and near NO other CF IMO, can or wants to do in a Klopp system hence, he is the CF while the real no. 10 plays or should play behind him. Congrats for making my point for me.

12.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 21:58:32
I mean Man U home and away
Any top 4 side home or away
semi finals
finals
Man u home and away Europa league

It is not I don't rate him but I don't think he is half the player MK and BRover think.

Some winning goals and stand out performances in big games would change my mind.

2 goals agains't Maribor or Brighton won't change my opinion. He is Liverpool centre forward I want him to be a match winner.

13.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 22:45:21
markp08 are you been serious?

14.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 22:01:52
MK i go to a lot more matches than you. Somethings you see at a live match you don't see on TV. Firminho as a false 9 will not work medium term if Salah and or Mane doesn't play. That to me is fact.

15.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 22:17:18
I think Courts, Salah, Mane would of had more than 43 goals if they played as a front 3. In fact I am sure of it. Salah I think got 26 goals last year was Firminho playing for Roma? Courts will get many goals for Barcelona nothing to do with Firminho.

People tried to give Firminho credit for Salah's goal agains't Chelsea because he was on the bench. It is over the top. He is due a good game and a goal agains't the top sides so let's hope it is on Sunday.

16.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 22:32:51
Big games like Arsenal and Man City?

17.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 22:33:38
MK thanks for bringing up the Arsenal away game. The match he missed 3 really really good chances in the first half. That was nothing to do with a false 9. It is due to the fact he is not and never will be a natural goalscorer.

9 league goals is not good enough for me. I think Rooney's got more, from less minutes. Anyway it has been done to death. You think he is one of the worlds best and I think he is good without being top class.

18.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 23:09:34
yes mate. Winning goals is what I want from a LFC centre forward.

I don't want to go over it all again you think he is Kane's level the rest of the world know he is no where near.

19.) 10 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 23:38:43
I've been to enough for all games to know that you don't see anywhere near as much as you can on TV! You are right in that you do see some things you can't on TV, but you miss even more.

Salah got 19 goals last season by the way, because Dzeko is nowhere near as selfless and creative as Firmino. Playing with Firmino, he has 4 more goals at the half way stage than he got in an entire season playing in a Roma team that pushed Juventus for the title. I accept that you disagree though, that's fair enough. I do think a lot of people underestimate how many chances Firmino directly and indirectly creates for others though. He's not our main goal scorer, but for me he's the beating heart of our team. So I'll agree to disagree.

20.) 11 Jan 2018
10 Jan 2018 23:55:54
When you've got 43 goals at this stage of the season, from just 3 players, without Firmino's tally I'd say we must be doing something right. You add a different type of striker into the mix and you have to change the way we play. If you then factor in that a large quantity of those goals are down to Firmino, for creating turnovers, setting up attacks, as well as direct assists, you get a pretty useful player. That is without all of the goals he scores. Harry Kane may have individual goal scoring numbers, but he would not fit into our system in the same way. I only used Kane as the example because he was already mentioned. Firmino is top quality. Just because he won't end up with 30 goals doesn't mean his contribution is worth less than that.