16 Dec 2017 23:38:46
Fans talking about fourth. We should be talking about challenging for the league. I've held my tongue through out and will keep it that way until the very end of the season with my views especially regarding klopp.
What I will say though is that we are worlds away from city. "we're only two central defenders and a keeper away". Good luck finding two quality centre backs in Europe and then hoping they settle and perform. Everything's clicked for city and they have the personnel and a fantastic manager.
BTW Van dijk has been a blessing in disguise and hopefully it keeps that way. That being he remains a Southampton player.

1.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 01:23:42
No one is challenging for the league it’s only one team. City also have a load more money than us and have had for years. So have Utd and Chelsea do if you think we should all of a sudden be better than last seasons champions and Utd then I think that’s abit delusional tbh. If we can finish top 4 again and have a good run in both cups we’re still in. Get keita in. Keep salah.

Hopefully a cb and then we’ll see. I think top 4 again this season is massive. Shows consistency we’ve been lacking. I think Klopp is building something here. Couple more pieces and we’ll be v competitive next season. Thinking that we should be on this city teams level right now is crazy.

2.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 01:27:07
Oh and joe Gomez will be a top centre back I reckon so we need one. Give Karius or Ward the rest of the season if not good enough get a keeper. And another Lucas to protect the back four. And let the boys fly forward.

3.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 01:15:41
To be fair Big Al everyone else in the premier league is a worlds aparts from city . as you said everything clicked for them and yes in big part its to do with the money they spend but also big credit due to their manager . the way he transformed the likes of Stones, Sterling and even Delph, we all knew Bruyne was a good player but working with Pep he just gone to another level, some of the passes today were Messi like.

One point though, their defence is n't that great, under pressure they do makes as many mistakes as our back four, and their goal keeper, good distribution of the ball, but is he really any good in being a keeper . I don't know, the ball is hardly at his of the pitch for us to know.
We are not just 2 defenders and away, we are 5/ 6 quality players away.

4.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 02:05:18
There defence has improved massively due to having a quality keeper to help out they’re not quite an error waiting to happen as we are.

5.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 02:19:37
We were never in the title race as long as the window shut without strengthening the defense. I remember people said before the start, Pep overcoach players and makes it complicated. Right now I don’t even know what does that even mean. They ll spend even more next season courtesy of more income from this season. How could we challenge next season?

6.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 02:20:18
Agree, city is having a superb year. It is what it is. We lack consistency but at least our inconsistency this year is ending in a tie and not losing. I get it that for some that is not good enough but it is progress. If you take out mings and lovren we could easily be second. Top four, back to back champion league, a good run in the CL and maybe a trophy in a cup and that will be heck of a year.

7.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 08:23:14
Big Al, it is that "we should be challenging for the PL" attitude that is killing our fan base. Wake up and smell the covfefe. LFC are nothing special and have not been in the PL era. That is the brutal truth. The self entitled attitude of some of our fans needs to end as it explains why people lose their marbles each time we draw a game. Also, comparing us to City is just insane and frankly, a false/ dishonest argument judging by the obvious circumstances so I will not even comment on that part.

CL is our target now and YES, so it is for the other top 6 rivals. You can disagree with that ans sinf "We are LFC" and say what we should be doing till hell freezes over. The fact of the matter is that it it what is is and I propose we all get to grips with the current programme.

8.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 08:24:46
Harry, so had we bought a good CB, would that have stopped City from winning 17 out of 18 games and would that suddenly stop Moreno, Migs and some others in say, midfield from making mistakes or would that make our striker not fluff their lines as they did earlier and are now doing?

9.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 08:40:15
If we don't win anything (FA cup and CL left), don't finish above 4th and end up with fewer points in the league (as we currently have) where is the progress?
Some fans might stand for it but ultimately it will be up to the owners.

{Ed001's Note - the progress is in reaching the knockout stages of the CL, we didn't do that last season.}

10.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 09:00:07
Ok well it will be up to the owners to decide if that is progress. I still think Klopp is going to struggle to "win at least 1 title" in his first 4 years.

{Ed001's Note - of course he is, there is not a manager alive that would do anything but struggle to win the league with us right now. I don't get why you are so down? Yes it was the derby, but it was one game, you are beginning to be as depressing as Harry. At the end of the day it could have been like Hodgson, telling us after we got beat that a draw would have been a good result against them. Klopp instead was furious at not getting a win. What more do you want? He is human and he made the mistake of leaving out one player, as no one will ever convince me that Coutinho deserves a place in the side for a game like the derby while he is strolling around the pitch half-arsed. We don't even know that was a mistake, for all we know we could have ended up losing with a different team out.

I miss the old Ron. Come back please!}

11.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 09:15:58
lol 'you are beginning to be as depressing as Harry' he does have a point Ron mate, come on snap out of it fella lol maybe he got possessed? by Harry!

12.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 09:20:28
You know when you think you're on the same page as someone and the manager really understands the club and the fans. That's how I thought of Klopp. I thought he would never sacrifice the derby, it would never enter my mind as a possibility. I thought he understood the feeling of a derby to the home fans.
But then I saw it with my own eyes and I still can't believe it happened. I can't reason it, I can't rationalise it. It doesn't make any sense to me other than he's not on the same page and he doesn't understand the fans - which worries me.

{Ed001's Note - I don't see it that way, I see it as a manager taking too much from the lessons of last season. He saw so many players suffering with fitness and form that he is now listening to every word the sports scientists are telling him, rather than taking a gamble with fitness for the biggest matches. Hopefully he will learn there is a balance, that sometimes you have to ignore the advice you are given.}

13.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 12:05:22
Ron the team he put out was easily good enough to win that game! It’s not like the team was guilty of lying down and getting out fought and out played. We dominted and bar some silly decisions at both ends of the pitch we would have won comfortably. So you’re in a huff for dominating a game and being a bit unlucky just to come away with a draw?

14.) 17 Dec 2017
17 Dec 2017 13:38:09
No Swish I'm in a huff because the manager didn't take the derby seriously enough to play his best team. If they had won comfortably it might be different, but they didn't and when the manager realised they weren't going to win he threw his best players on.
5-0 up after 50 mins vs Moscow, why did Coutinho need to play 90 mins? Why did Firmino need 72 mins? We only needed a point in that game. Was he saving them to play WBA, a team that hasn't won for 16 games?