16 Dec 2017 13:01:03
Intersting conversation in earlier posts about Pep Guardiola.

Let's face it, he was not keen on spending money on strengthening his defence, he broke transfer records signing attacking fullbacks to go all out attack.

They have not had much defending to do but Mane being sent off at Anfield this season gave him the edge. His CB's who have been poor for many a season have had all the freedom they require this season. Guardiola's CB's have had absolutely bugger all to do this season.

Guardiola has won many things in his time at different clubs but he was always been allowed the best players. Ask him to take over at Liverpool, a club which has been trying to get back to the top for season after season since the EPL began then he may very well struggle.

That is why Klopp is the perfect manager for us. He may not be the best manager but he will go through thick an thin to find the best solution to what has been made available to him. He is the best manager for our current situation.

Does anyone think Guardiola, Mourinho or Ancelotti will want to take on the job Klopp was presented?

At least we are not sitting with Allardyce.


1.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 13:28:24
Completely agree with your post Max. It's funny, people think Guardiola is the best around, or some do and this I find hilarious, he isn't he's always had it pretty easy, going to teams who usually dominate or has the potential to dominate their league, if Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs approached him he wouldn't want to know because he'd do no better then your Wenger, Klopp or Poch. He went to City knowing full well he'd be able to splash the cash. I'd love to see him at a team without such privileges.


2.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 13:30:48
They beat us at the Etihad not Anfield.


3.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 13:46:40
Pep Guadiola won’t play Henderson as a DM nor splash £40 mill on AOC. That much is guaranteed if he was a Liverpool manager. Oh Yes. He would easily drop Mignolet for a good keeper and wouldn’t have gone without buying a defender in the window! There are many more differences between both only if you are interested to hear!

{Ed001's Note - how do you know what he would do? He is playing Fernandinho, a box-to-box midfielder as a DM now, why would he not play Henderson the same way? If he didn't get to spend nigh on £100m on keepers to replace Mignolet, would he drop him? He never bought a centre back either this season, despite having unlimited amounts of money to spend on one, so why would he do differently here? You talk nonsense based on your bias not on facts Harry.}


4.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 14:59:11
Guardiola is a difficult one and for me will always have question marks about his ability until he is in charge of the underdog and challennging an established power and then producing the same results. It has been years since he has won the champions league and at his spell in Munich and last year with City he was lucky not to have been sacked for his performance. He also makes as many poor signings as Liverpool wherever he's been.
All of that taken into account at this point in this season his team have been fantastic and if they can do this in the next half of the season it will be one of the best title wins of all time, but it won't be that easy, they will hit some bad luck, lose some key players to injury etc. They really still have glaring weaknesses at the back and for me not a huge amount of strength in depth for the money they have spent.
I think eveyone should reserve getting wet over Guardiola until the end of they year see how both the league and champions league fare for him.


5.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 15:10:26
And a very thoughtful thread led by the brilliant post from Max, goes to flames in a hand basket by Harry's usual posts, talking crap (Pep wanted the mighty Johnny Evans cos he could not get a top CB), slating Ox who is giving his all for the shirt and targeting Hendo BUT has no issue standing with a known sulk who does not wanna be here and plays like it.

Back to the thoughtful thread, Klopp is the perfect manager for us same way Poch is the perfect manager for Spurs. The diff. is Klopp has challenged the establishment (Bayern) before with a team built from scraps and won on several occasions with leagues and Cups to prove it. He transferred that success onto the CL where his BVB team terrorized all and sundry (including RM where Mou had a shed load of cash to spend) but lost narrowly to Bayern in the final.

He came to us in our worst moments and slowly BUT surely has improved us w/ o spending the type of cash City or Utd have spent near every season since 2014. He is the right manager for us and our financial situation. He is trying to do the same thing he did at BVB BUT the diff. is that he has way more money to spend and he did not have some fans turning on him at every negative result.

As for Pep, City was built for him before he even took over as Txiki Beguiristan (ex Barcelona team mate) is the DOF and former Barcelona admin. Fran Serrano is part of the setup. They will NOT quit on him and if all else fails, spend more money cos shoot, he's already spent half a billion in 2 seasons and counting. He would struggle at LFC way more than Klopp is as Klopp is a successful builder of teams while Pep wants ready made, limitless resources.


6.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 15:11:32
Knew that was Harry before I saw the name! I even thought the same thing as Ed 001. BUT HE didn't BUY A CENTRE BACK WITH ALL THAT MONEY EVEN THOUGH HE ARGUABLY NEEDED ONE MIRE THAN US! You can’t say what he would or would not do at our club or any other club as the resources and situation are miles apart from his as Citeh. totally agree with the op but the rest is hypothetical nonsense from you as usual Harry.


7.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 16:09:44
3 of the longest winning runs in the top 5 divisions have come from guardiola sides. He may manage the best, but he still gets the best from them. Yes he scraped fourth last season, but you will never see a seasoned guardiola side have an off season, like mourinho has, like klopp has like zidane is.


8.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 16:20:58
Ha ha ha ha. Only liverpool fans on this page that honk Pep success is all about money. Do you guys ever step out of this group!

{Ed001's Note - again, as usual you make up stuff in your head. No one has said it is ALL about the money.}


9.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 16:54:17
I see harry is using the example of pep buying the right players for a club that can pay the fees, wages of any player in the world as well as compete year in year out and then use that again to beat AOC. We are not Man City we can't spend 130mil on three full backs, we don't pay £300k a week grow up.


10.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 17:39:41
I'm one of those that think Guardiola isn't that fantastic of a manager. What can't be denied though is that he has an idea of how he wants to play (especially in attack) and he goes after those players. Having large transfer funds obviously helps, but at this stage, his success can't be denied.
I don't rate him among the top tier coaches like SAF etc, especially seeing the way he destroyed a balanced Bayern team, but I must say I've a better opinion of him than I used to.


11.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 18:10:04
Yes Pep has spent money but he’s spent it wisely and outside of a CB, has strengthened where the team needed strengthening. Spending huge doesn’t guarantee success, you only need to look at how much we’ve spent over the years without winning the league.

Guardiola has the team playing how he wants them to play and you can see how he’s installed a winning mentality into the players.

I’ve been a Liverpool fan for over 30 odd years and seen some fantastic teams. I think Pep needs a bit of credit because they are playing some fantastic football.

{Ed001's Note - but we have spent less than the top few, whereas City have spent more, so how can you suggest that us not winning shows that spending money does not work? I mean over the years the top spenders have not been us since the days we were winning league titles.}


12.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 18:28:10
Klopp has yet to win anything at Liverpool. I think we need to wait before we hail him as the best available option.


13.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 18:36:47
Only in recent times have the likes of City, Chelsea (2004 onwards ) etc spent more. . We’ve not won the league for 27 years but have spent serious money. The first opportunity we had to spend Big in one swoop and we blew it on Charlie Adam, Downing, Caroll. Etc.

I think Pep is doing an excellent job mate.

{Ed001's Note - and before that it was Man Utd who outspent us by a significant margin, and Blackburn did too for a short period, then Arsenal spent big etc. We have not been the biggest spenders since Fergie arrived in English football. The biggest spenders generally win the league. When they spend as ridiculously large as City do, it would be nothing short of embarrassing if they didn't win the league, especially for a second time of the obscene amounts they are spending.

However Pep is doing a good job, but how long for? Would he do as good a job if he had the same amount as the rest to spend? I very much doubt it. If every manager got the same amount to spend each season, would he still be top? I don't believe he would, as he struggles to get lesser players to play the way he wants them to.}


14.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 18:41:50
I hear the arguments about unlimited funds but surely clubs with lots of money would only look to employ the best coaches? I think certain coaches are just winners at whatever cost,
weve had 2 draws its hardly sackable is it, cut the man some slack as you have no idea how much his hands may or may not be tied when it comes to transfers/ wages etc.


15.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 19:05:05
Couldn’t agree more with you Ed001 regarding United.
Arsenal is an interesting one, Wenger, back in the day had a good eye for plucking overseas players for fairly reasonable trenasfer fees.

I think it’s a similar secenario with Klopp, he needs the right players to play the system he wants.

{Ed001's Note - Wenger spent big money, it was somehow reported as reasonable fees, but it was comparatively big money for the time. The likes of Overmars were not cheap, they were bought for big fees. Wiltord was a huge fee when he arrived etc. The problem came when he believed the hype and tried to spend the same amount with no accounting for inflation in the transfer fees. He wasn't buying one or two players either, he was buying a fair few and they were using Beveren as a finishing school for the youngsters. It all went wrong when the belt was tightened and spending was limited.}


16.) 16 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 20:10:45
if established top notch players earn over £200k + a week then there is only 3 teams in the league paying that kind of money, city and united probably have 10 players on that kind of money. That's why us and spurs have to look for the younger versions of those top players who will inevitably leave when they reach that elite level. Coutinho will leave I'm sure Salah will eventually if he keeps playing how he is now over a sustained period. We are not alone Sanchez and Ozil are about to leave arsenal and I fully expect Kane, Rose, Ali to leave spurs as soon as one of the big 3 wage payers decide they want one of them.


17.) 17 Dec 2017
16 Dec 2017 23:32:24
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