04 Dec 2017 22:13:02
I think Firminho has had a poor season so far and is the main reason we are only 4th in the league. He has been below average in most matches and is totally over rated on this site.


1.) 04 Dec 2017
04 Dec 2017 22:41:42
12 goals and 4 assists in 24 games and he's accused of having a poor season and being overrated. Who exactly are you comparing him to?


2.) 04 Dec 2017
04 Dec 2017 22:48:02
I hope that was sarcasm?


3.) 04 Dec 2017
04 Dec 2017 23:18:12
"Controversy equalizes fools and wise men in the same way; and the fools know it. "

Oliver Wendell Holmes.


4.) 05 Dec 2017
04 Dec 2017 23:33:35
24 games,12 goals, 4 assists I need to lay off the ale I can't remember half of that lot.


5.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 00:00:08
I think the word is ‘troll’.


6.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 00:17:44
Please god let that be a wind up.


7.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 00:52:42
🎣🎣🎣.


8.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 06:10:28
Firmino will take over the armband from Henderson once his English is polished up.


9.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 06:24:35
post of the season lol.


10.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 06:25:45
Think he is right, he is the reason we are fourth, if he wasnt we would probs be eighth.


11.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 07:13:34
if it wasn't mark, I would say a fine piece of sarcasm.


12.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 08:07:33
It's not sarcasm. Mark has NOTHING good to say about LFC, Klopp or his players. Like ND said, he is either a troll or MK's quote describes him perfectly. Or both.


13.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 08:39:41
Sadly it's probably not sarcasm.


14.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 09:13:03
Of course its bloody sarcasum. But if you read the posts and match reports on here you would think he had been our best player this season and we were challenging for the title. If Firminho has a very good game like agains't Brighton he is rightly given the plaudits but when he is average or below average like agains't Stoke nothing is said.

Some on here give him credit for everything. Salah has scored the goals but Firminho gets most of the credit because he makes space. Its just so over the top, MK says he is on the verge of world class. Complete and utter bollocks, he is miles away from world class.

I want to keep it balanced but it is just out of hand. When he plays well let's all say so. But in the second half agains't Seville he was shocking. Agains't Stoke the ball was bouncing off him a lot. They were putting us under pressure and he couldn't keep the ball.

The match report should have said for Firminho - didn't have his best game and didn't contribute in terms of the goals but worked hard as usual. Struggled for a period in the first half and he needs to work on holding the ball. But instead it says wasn't it brilliant he didn't try to walk in a goal. Do me a favour.

For the match reports everyone should be judged on that particular match. What is happening is people are trying to prove a point that Firminho is this or that. Its a long season and I have seen nothing yet that says over a whole season Firminho can play centre forward (every game) . Of course when PC is on top of his game and Salah is playing well the system all looks great. My worry is when that is not the case like v Man U, Spurs, City, Burnley etc. I hope Firminho is on an upward curve and I would expect him to be as he learns the position.

Lets not say world class
lets not say one of the best strikers in the world
lets not pretend he is in Kane or even Jesus level.
Lets say when he has a poor game and what he can improve on.

Also someone put a a post that Firminho is not at the level of Salah, PC or Mane and everyone marked it as a negative. I think its correct he is not quite at their level. PC has been our player of the year for 3 years in a row and Barcelona want him for North of £100m of course Firminho is not at his level. Remember he is not first choice for his country and sometimes not second choice.

Lets just have a more balanced, thoughtful views. Not try to justify what we have said previosly on this forum.


15.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 09:57:58
I actually said he is "on the verge of world class at times". Nice paraphrasing though to try and back up your non existent point.

Some of his performances are close to, if not world class. Obviously other games he isn't as good, hence why i used the words at times. Though he wasn't bad at Stoke at all so i can only assume you didn't watch the game. I've only seen him play below his usual lofty standards in a handful of games this season. Most notably against United, City and Spurs. So no doubt he has to up his game against stronger opposition.

I don't need to pretend he is at Kane's level, because he is at Kane's level. He just does a different job. As for Jesus, you must be having a laugh. Great little player, but he is nowhere near as influential as Firmino. Jesus profits from the quality of others, whereas in our team others profit from the quality of Firmino.

I really don't know what your problem is with Liverpool, Klopp, Firmino and clearly me (who you seem to screenshot every post for future evidence), but it's getting a bit said mate. Everybody here knows your OP wasn't sarcasm so don't back down from your foolish POV just because the only thumbs up your post got came from yourself. You made your bed, so lie in it. Nobody will take you seriously ever again after this.


16.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 10:16:30
Of course it was sarcasm I have never once said he is not a good player. (of course until this) . I would rather have Owen, Fowler, Suarez, Torries as my centre forward. I think Firminho has to improve parts of his game.

Klopp should have bought some defenders - no brainer

Liverpool I love them as much as anybody else but I get frustrated with people going over the top about individual players and/ or happy to settle for a challenge for fourth. Above all like some people on here I am worried that in 5 years time we won't have improved and we will be still challenging for fourth. We are 14 points of the top and it really pees me off.

Can looks worls class when he is on top of his game, as do many many players. Mane, PC, Salah. There is only one world class player in the Prem and its the GK at ManUre.


17.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 10:20:55
This is where we disagree 100%. You say its all down to Firminho I say it only works when 2 out of Mane, PC, Salah are playing well. You can leave as much space as you want but the other players need to exploit the space.

I just think Mane, Salah and PC as a front 3 score the same goals with or without Firminho. I think he is our 4th best player where as you think he is the best.


18.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 11:39:57
Hazard, Kante, Salah, Firmino (yes he is on edges that Griezmann even said . ) Sanchez, Kane Just few others that you could mentioned as world class as De hea isn’t the only one in the premier league mate to be fair.


19.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 12:03:08
@mark. “Firminho” doesn’t even play for Liverpool, you’ve gone out of your way to watch him closely enough but failed to spell his name properly constantly.


20.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 13:16:56
Actually i think Mane, Salah and Coutinho are all just as good as Firmino. However, Firmino is one of the best in the world at what he does and is vital to our system. His role is so specialist that i think he'd be the hardest to replace of the 4.

He also gets unfairly judged on his goal return when that is not why he is in the team. Any goals scored by him are a bonus. He is a false 9. The whole point of that role is that they drop out to try and pull a centre back with them and create a gap for someone else to exploit. Then you add to that his intelligent and effective pressing and he is the main weapon of our attack. De Bruyne doesn't score all of City's goals but he is still almost universally accepted as being their best player.

Football is a team game, and there are very few better team players in the world than Bobby. The fact he has been scoring goals is just a bonus as far as I'm concerned. The gaps his movement creates opens up the space that Mane, Salah and Coutinho have all exploited. They work as a unit and Firmino seems to get less plaudits than the other despite being the second highest scorer of our amazing quartet, and having the second most assists.

He is a great player, capable of world class things, who needs to find just a little bit more consistency to become one of Europe's elite. Nobody is saying he is at the same level as Messi/ Ronaldo. However it is a very legitimate argument to suggest he is our most important player. You are entitled to disagree, but the way you went about it was extreme to say the least.

It came across as deliberately controversial. He clearly hasn't had a bad season when he has scored double figures by the start of December. We are literally not even half way into the season.


21.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 13:28:36
I appreciate what firmino offers to the team but I chuckled the other day when someone said he's like a replacement for suarez. Once continho is sold, firmino should drop to midfield and the money should be spent on another goalscorer, with solanke as backup and sturridge sold. Im glad we have mane and salah but it would be nice to have another one of their quality. i've personally never pictured firmino as a striker so when you guys are comparing him to kane, jesus, I don't really see the point. We had this same argument when klopp first joined playing midfielders in attacking roles. Now we've seemed to correct most of that and soon it will be time to play firmino in a more natural position.


22.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 14:40:51
Wombat - world class means to me they get into a world 11 or second 11. I take the point on Kante but none of the others. The rest of the list would all need to improve. Kane would be closest for me. Maybe Toby Alderwiereld, or Azpilicueta. From our side Mane has the best chance to reach world class IMO.

I have watched Neymar a few times recently and that guy is definitely world class.


23.) 05 Dec 2017
05 Dec 2017 14:48:43
Firmino was out on his feet V Seville, cos of his very high work rate, it was Klopp who didn't sub him who made the error,
and no player is as good as Jesus, sure, that man can walk on water .