01 Dec 2017 06:48:47
Hi Ed's
Do you feel not buying a reliable and experienced center-back and letting Lucas leave this season was a mistake that could bite us towards end of season.
I personally feel he had done a good job covering as CB for few games.

{Ed001's Note - possibly, but I see it as an opportunity for Gomez to play there.}


1.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 07:38:45
Not sure Klopp is really looking to pair gomez with any of our CB,
because it might harm the kid more than it will do good. let's admit all our current CBs are a disaster waiting to happen and the kid won't learn nothing decent from them,
I think once we buy a new CB, Klopp will pair him with Gomez and i believe he see's that as the way to go.
if that's the case i think it will pay dividends for both the team and gomez.
question remains who do we buy in january? i am not so convinced by VVD as many on here, may be last season, but this season he hasn't looked at all good, and he is definitely not worth what we will shell out for him. i think the type of defender we want needs to be a leader, vocal, organiser, good header of the ball, prevent set pieces, be quick, strong and above all should have played in a system like klopp so he has the awareness and presence of mind to soak up danger.

unfortunately there is no defender out there quite like that. so we would need the next best - unfortunately they won't come to us.
its a tough conundrum and our keeper dramatics just add to it.
A very important january window this for us- i think we need not one but two defensive signings. though for my life i can't come up with two names that we can realistically get - VVD / de vrij look like will be our bet. both?


2.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 08:09:44
Playing Devils advocate here.

If our system leaves the centre backs so exposed that we basically need the next Rio Ferdinand and Alan Hansen, maybe we should change the system?

It is obvious that the centre back we need to cope in our system doesn't actually exist, so maybe we and Klopp need to accept that the system needs to change?

Like i say, just putting it out there! Sounds like the only guys in world football who could cope are a 100% fit Boateng and Kompany!

{Ed001's Note - isn't that basically what everyone has been saying and Klopp has been trying to do of late? Holding back the full backs and sitting two in front in some games is a major change from the way we played when he first took charge.}


3.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 08:20:16
Seems that way but do we have the personel? Keita is good at breaking up play but next season if can goes, is hendo and Keita a good enough screen?


4.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 08:26:23
Seems like he has tweaked it slightly Ed, but we're still using complex and frankly useless tactics at set pieces, still not looking like replacing Mignolet, and still not looking like actually signing a proper defensive midfielder.

If we don't improve the tactics at set pieces and put reliable players in front of and behind the defence, then for me holding the full backs deeper on occasion is like putting a Hello Kitty plaster on a bullet wound from a 50cal.

{Ed001's Note - if the full backs play as full backs, then you should have enough back to cover against breaks etc. The defensive midfielder became necessary because both fullbacks would advance, so teams needed someone else to make a defensive line of 3.}


5.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 08:41:37
That is true Ed. Personally i think we need to play Karius, sign a centre back, sign a defensive midfielder, and only let one full back attack at a time.

Mane, Firmino, Salah, Ox, Lallana, Solanke etc are good enough to score against any team with minimal support from the wing backs and midfield.

I am just a mere mortal though so I'll trust Klopp to get it right with his own ideas for a little while longer!


6.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 10:12:24
MK tbh i don't think klopp really has ideas, we kind of play the same be it city or be it burnley. teams that give us space we bury them ( unless our defense has another ideas aka spurs) , teams that don't give us space we bottle.
Frankly this season with addition of salah we are opening up all kinds of defenses in the epl, but our defense is getting equally exposed.
for Klopp it like he plugs one gap, solves one equation and he gets another gap open and new even harder equation to deal with.

Last year i would said we had one of the best midfield in EPL, This is season same players have no clue about defensive side of play.

i think we should go back to the gegenpress and possession game with salah we are just on another level in attack, I think Klopp should stop thinking about defense now, nothing can be done about it, but our mids can press and hassle a lot and they should go back to it. Klop has to get everyones mind out of our horrid defense, its not helping our cause.
Last season was different we didn't have salah the attack was one dimensional, this time we have a lot of attack options. (solanke ox lallana)
buy a defender in january that won't do stupid stuff pair him with gomez and go all out attack for the season.
that would be our best shot at Champion league too ( if we are there fingers crossed)


7.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 10:56:17
This one to Ed01, But our full backs hardly provide any width mate! Moreno’s attacking output is very poor compared to any Winga backs in the league, while Gomez is not really known for his attacking instinct! The reality is Moreno is not really good enough going forward and can’t really fully trust at the back.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so, you seem to have totally missed the point and not bothered to watch them play. I guess there isn't time to watch us when you are so busy watching all these players you fantasise about or you might have noticed that Gomez created the first goal on Wednesday night. The reality is you are wrong and your whines get boring. You offer nothing but whines about our players, you never balance your views with a full view, just pick out things to whine about, even if they aren't fair as Moreno has been just about the best left back in the league this season. You do the complete opposite with other teams players, only picking out the bits to verbally masturbate over, never noticing the bad parts. Not one left back in the Prem has been consistently good this season.}


8.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 12:12:44
Harry i have to agree with Ed001 here. No Premier League left back has been consistent and I'd have Moreno in the top 5 this season alongside Kolasinac (ARS), Alonso (CHE), Ward (BUR) and Young (MUN) .

{Ed001's Note - and 3 of those you mention have not had much defensive responsibility as they mostly have played wing back not full back.}


9.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 12:16:55
Harry, just wow. Our fullbacks hardly provide width. Harry, Ed is correct. You clearly do not watch us play at all cos if you did, you would see that both Moreno and TAA and even Gomez have helped themselves to goals and assists this season and TAA Moreno have been whipping good bals in for the strikers to convert as some of them have. Even at Stoke, it was Gomez who provided the cross that caused the havoc that led to the first goal. Again, you don't watch us play and Ed's response to you describes the reasons perfectly.


10.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 12:25:55
Akshit, Klopp does not have ideas and we play the same way vs Burnley or City. Where do you even get that from? We have been playing diff. personel and diff. formations from 4-3-3, 4-4-2 to 4-2-2-2 and Klopp has held Gomez back to form a back 3 when we are in or out of possession to protect the defence and has played both Can and Wiji in midfield tosit and protect the CB's. We have conceded a whooping two goals in 5 PL games and kept 3 cleans sheets in them. I know we are not perfect and more work needs to be done BUT slating Klopp and saying he has no ideas, is just false and dishonest as the facts prove the contrary.

Also, we don't gegenpress anymore as it has been figured out and frankly, the system is not fit for the PL so Klopp changed it to better fit the PL rigours. You say he lacks ideas yet he changed something that was no longer working and is making us more solid and effective up top BUT cos he is not doing what you want, he now lacks ideas. Get a grip, man.


11.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 12:51:21
Very true Ed. Arsenal, Chelsea and United all regularly deploy a back 3. Ward is the only other left back to have performed well in a regular back 4.

To be fair actually, Delph has filled in well i suppose. Nothing spectacular.

{Ed001's Note - Delph? Seriously? Have you not been watching the last few games? Every attack goes down his side because he is dross and is being targeted. Delph has been awful and teams are getting at him.}


12.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 14:31:31
I have to be honest I've not watched City for about 3 weeks Ed. Last i saw them though Delph did alright. If he is now being targetted though, then i wouldn't be surprised to see him being exposed. After all, he is nothing more than a temporary bodge!

{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced he is good enough to be called a bodge!}


13.) 01 Dec 2017
01 Dec 2017 14:35:43
That’s ok Ed01, And maybe that’s why I am poster and you are an Ed. My views might be limited. Hence I post it rather than trying to impose it So that you can clear me well. And I am sorry but that was not any kind of whining. Truly believe we will see a new face at LB next season. I still don’t believe he offers anything spectacular going forward. Just my view ed. My view!


14.) 04 Dec 2017
04 Dec 2017 09:04:52
If we had signed a CDM like Nzonzi or Obiang, then letting Lucas go was the right decision. We didn't, so now we look like fools. None of our current bunch have any defensive instincts whatsoever. We really could do with a specialist in that position right now. The defense will also be a lot calmer and under less pressure from counter attacks.

KLopp wanted only VVD for the CB position so we need to accept that he will be the most likely to join.