23 Oct 2017 06:54:23
You have been told by Klopp himself it's going to be a roller coaster ride of ups and downs swings and roundabouts. We played a very good side we were poor it's true but let's try supporting getting behind the club and doing what fans do best and driving the team forward whilst playing stop bitching and whining when it don't go our way
Up the pool.


1.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 08:00:20
Were we poor though? We played some good stuff at times. The difference is Lloris made 2 saves he had no right to make, and Alderweireld made a couple of stunning tackles you think are impossible to win cleanly.

In contrast, Mignolet conceded 4 soft goals he should be doing better with, and Lovren missed a basic header and let Kane breeze past him.

On the balance of play, we were just as good as them. However they have players who can keep the ball out the net and that made the difference.

I don't think the majority of the team played that badly. In fact i think it was two teams playing some lovely football and for a neutral it must've been great. At the end of the day though, we made 4 glaring mistakes and you can't do that against good teams. It has over shadowed the rest of the play because Firmino, Coutinho, Salah and Chamberlain all played very well.

{Ed001's Note - Coutinho played very well? Do you really think so?}


2.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 08:26:31
With you, Redan. I don't have a problem with things being a roller coaster ride. It is part of the process when you are building. However, there are things Klopp can do right now that IMO, will help mitigate against these defensive errors starting with binning the Migs for good, play Can in the DM role for a run of games give Gomez and Matip a good run in the team cos Lovren is an accident waiting to happen and has been since he's been here. I commend his attitude and playing thru pain BUT this maybe weighing too heavily on him mentally and physically. Klopp can do both these things right now and IMO, they would help.


3.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 09:07:49
There are things that Klopp should have done 2 years ago, and some that are still in his power. He could easily do most of them, and could have fairly easy to do most of the missed opportunities. Mingolet might have let in 4 soft goals, but he's let in about 12 soft goals so far this season yet keeps his place while better keepers consider the pitch an unrealistic pipe dream. That very much makes it Klopps fault. Similarly we have a CB playing at RB whilst our current CB is a) incompetence and b) injured. Whose fault is that? Why isn't Klopp big enough to bench him till he's mended?

There is so much that could be done with our squad to return to balance and improve the ability, at least at the back. Klopp looks exactly like BR right now though - more concerned with being proved right than he is with fixing our issues.


4.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 09:26:03
Yeah i do Ed. Every time he ran at them he created problems and Spurs played so narrow to try and stifle him that it constantly left Salah and Chambo 1-on-1 with Aurier and Trippier. He put a couple of excellent deliveries in from open play, and Lloris made a flying save to deny him a great goal. His set pieces were poor though, but overall he played as well as a central player can hope to against a 3 man defence with a dedicated destroyer sat in front of them.

I feel as though when the result is bad, people tend to only remember the negatives. Just scoring a goal against Spurs takes some doing when they defend as well as they did yesterday. If we had defended half as well we'd have come away with something.

It is sad that Migs and Lovren undermined the whole team performance though. I'm not too disheartened though. If we'd been second best all over the pitch I'd be looking at Klopp. But it was just 2 individuals who let us down. The worry is though, will Klopp have it in him to drop them? I can't see it myself. Really wish Ward would get a run of games though. He'd have stopped at least 3 of them goals yesterday.

{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but you must have watched a different game from me with regards to Coutinho. He was fine when he was in the attacking third but he was trying to do the same in the defensive third and gave the ball away. Repeatedly. He was weak and just threw himself to ground looking for free kicks that were never free kicks. Most of his balls were either over hit or wayward, he was poor. I think the problem is that you are looking too hard for positives. He looked like a player that was playing for himself not the team.}


5.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 09:46:18
MK i thought you understood football, we were horrible, if you think we we anything but horrendous you need to learn more about football, Spurs let us play when leading 4-1, nothing more nothing less. When there was a 2 goal lead we barley had a kick .

{Ed025's Note - they did take their foot off the gas mate..


6.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 09:47:45
You are spot on hjikle, really worrying.


7.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 10:07:21
One of the worse times I’ve seen Coutinho play. Every time he had the ball in our third he held on too long and got out muscled by Harry Winks or Trippier. He had one descent shot but apart from that was poor.

{Ed025's Note - i agree welsh..


8.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 10:11:09
I just don't want to be all doom and gloom Ed. At the end of the day we've only lost twice still, to Man City and Spurs. I think it's fair to say that they'll be the top 2 this season.

Aside from that, 3rd is there for the taking and if we take advantage of our favourable run in up to Christmas we should be back in the mix. Chelsea look soft centred, Arsenal are a different team from week to week, and United aren't anywhere near as good as everyone is making out already having dropped points against Stoke (probably one of the 3 worst teams in the league) and lost to Huddersfield. We have had by far the hardest start to the season and yet we're still in touch with 4th place, which is our realistic expectation for the season.

The Spurs game is gone and as much as it hurt, slagging off everyone in the team won't achieve anything. You've said it yourself, the attack did it's job. We scored. Did we really expect to put 4 past Tottenham? I said before the game i expected a 1-1 draw. For me, 9 out of 11 players deserved a draw. 2 didn't. The issue yesterday was Lovren and Mignolet did everything they could to cost us the game so that is the issue to focus on, rather than look for negatives in everything else because we're hurt by a bad, bad result. I feel like blaming the rest of the team is just ignoring the real issue; Klopp has totally screwed up with this goal keeping situation.

Just my opinion though. If Coutinho's shot had gone in the top corner people would be saying he played well and was one of the only players trying to make things happen. He was as effective as Salah, but Salah's chance went in so he is getting plaudits. Football is fickle like that. Opinions rest on a knife edge and a single moment can change everyone's outlook. We all know that Coutinho is a big moment player. Almost a luxury that you accommodate because every so often, those shots do fly in and we win because of them sometimes.

Perhaps i am trying to hard to be positive! But it makes me feel better than looking for all the negatives and ignoring the positives as though they weren't there 😊 on a side note, whilst it is easy to fix the keeper issue by just giving Ward a chance, i have no idea how to resolve the centre back issue in the short term.

{Ed025's Note - as i said i applaud your positivity MK, for me though couts was poor but salah was probably my MOTM but what do i know..


9.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 10:51:28
I agree with the Eds about Coutinho. He can have that many touches and that much time when he's at Barcelona but we are Liverpool and it's the Premier League. Keep the ball moving. An old Liverpool adage was when the ball stops you invite a challenge.
And stop shooting from anywhere, Pip!


10.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 11:13:45
Mk it’s not all doom and gloom we had a very poor day no hiding from that but I still say someone is going to get a hiding from us when these efforts on goal start flying in so I think the roller coaster ride is here for the season there will be some massive highs and some very lows strap yourself in and smile folks
Up the pool.


11.) 23 Oct 2017
23 Oct 2017 11:09:06
You were spot on Ed 001 about Couts yesterday. He was trying but was awful too. He just looked tired and was easily overwhelmed each time he had the ball. If we had defenders who could defend (Moreno caused half our problems yesterday) and a really good goalie (like the Lama) we might be winning these games.