10 Sep 2017 21:08:32
Ed001, I want to see if your in agreance with me as I tend to agree with a lot you post. I think this is the strongest squad we've had in years, and I fully expect us to be in the title race. I actually believe we will win the league this year.

In Klopp we have probably the best manager in the world. I really mean that. And i bet iChelsea or United would love to have him but he wanted us. I'm sure he probably rejected both these clubs because we're the biggest draw in English football.

Onto the keeper and defence. I think our keepers are decent just not top class. Our defence is not as bad a people make out. Moreno is poor, but Matip is class. I have a mate in work who thinks our defence is a joke. Realistically who of uniteds would get in ours? Only Bailly and that's 50/ 50. He's no much better than Lovren. Massively overrated. Lindelof is crap. Jones crap, Valencia crap. Shaw crap. City is the same. Only Spurs are notably better in this area.

In midefielf we're as good as any I think. Hendo, can and couts is as good as Matic and Pogba, both poor, fabregas and Kante is decent, about on par with us. City midfield poor.

On attack we simply have the best in the league par none. Mane, salah and Bobby is better than all the top teams. Only one close would again be city.

Realistically from united you'd only take De Gea (probably World best) , maybe Bailly, and possibly Matic for certain games. So 3 players,

City I'd take Ederson, Aguero, KDB, so again 3

Arsenal probably nobody

Spurs, Loris, Toby A, Ali and maybe Kane.

So in all the top teams we have the majority of best players. I genuinly believe we will win the league because the football under Klopp is sensational 90% of the time. I think we can make last 4 of CL too.

Would you agree with me Ed? Any other posters agree? Love this site btw

KingKlopp.

{Ed001's Note - no I would not agree. Matip class in what way? He can't defend.}

1.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 04:58:47
Based on current form and ability, I'd take all 3 of Bailly, Jones and Lindelof over Matip, Lovren and Klavan.

Lindelof has hardly played so it might not be fair to say though. In any case, our defence is mediocre. There's no way to argue against it. Would any of the top 6 want our 3 senior centrebacks? No.

So much has been said about our 6 clean sheets in our last 8 PL games but I think it's more down to the way Klopp sets us out by attacking/ pressing/ harrying etc.

Our defence is not solid. The clean sheets are nice but when it rains, it pours. 3 goals conceded against Watford, 3 against Hoffenheim (over 2 legs) and 5 against City.

Your arguments about not wanting or needing to take other teams' players is silly. How does that translate to us having a title-winning squad?

On the flipside, how many of our players would get in the squads of the other top teams. Couts and Mane, definitely. Salah and Firmino, maybe. Anyone else? Probably not. So this kind of contradicts what you mentioned.


I think you need to take off those rose-tinted glasses mate. I've always been optimistic and still a huge supporter of Klopp but you're taking things way too far.

2.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 05:36:38
Matip is the Cameroonian John Stones.

3.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 05:46:00
baily 50/ 50? not one of our CB is anywhere near him mate you are deluded.

4.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 05:58:55
I just couldn't agree on any of those. It's not like building blocks, take one from here put it somewhere else and it sticks and stands. Take Lovren out and put him in other team, is it confirmed that he will perform just as bad? Take Bailly or whoever and put them in ours, are they confirmed going to perform just like they did before?

5.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 06:45:54
Started drinking early KingKlopp?

6.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 06:52:50
If we can be around 1st, 2nd or 3rd leading into January and strengthen that leaky and shaky defense then we'll have a chance at the title but it's a long shot especially with the low availability of players in Jan.

7.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 06:42:49
Dembele. Matic and Kante would walk into our midfield.

{Ed025's Note - im not sure about that harry, kante certainly but when keita comes he will negate the need for him, i like dembele i must say but he can go missing at times, matic the same although he has made a great start at united, these are good players of course and would vie for a place in any team mate..

8.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 07:23:32
Kingklopp mendy and walker also straight into lfc team. a lot of manutd would the whole back 4 lukaku matial matic . lfc have the worst back 4 out of the top 6 . only 3 average centre backs going into a promiseing season, i think this could be klopps last year as had the chance in 3 windows to approve and he bought klavan what a joke .

9.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 08:18:15
Matip, class? 😂 above average maybe. Our best centre back is Gomez but he is too young to play every game in a shaky back line. He'd be made into a scapegoat just like Karius was.

10.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 08:21:35
King, there is so much wrong with your post that I cannot begin to even disect it fully. I believe in Klopp and believe that our squad has more depth than even the 08/ 09 and th 1/ 14 teams that IMO, should have won the PL. However regarding the midfield and defence. It is tough to say who will walk into what team as teams play different systems. Look at Utd. Their back 4 individually bar Bailly, are not very good. I would take Robbo over Darmian and Lovren over Jones while Valencia is a tryer but that's it. This is why Mou plays a defensive system cos he does not want his back line exposed. They were exposed at Stoke and the could have conceded 5 on the day.

Deano46, City have spent almost 300m on CB's alone and they are still crap at the back w/ o Kompany and even we exposed that hapless bunch last Sat and had Salah taken his chances, we would not be here right now. As for Mendy and Walker, they can't defend and are not asked to do so at City. They attack all the time and that showed last Sat as each time they were required to defend, they were awful. They will be asked to defend if they played here at LFC and for that, they would not walk into our team.

All in all, our defenders are not great and Matip is not doing it right now on current form BUT the system we play requires smart YET aggressive defenders who can work as a unit the way Spurs' defenders do. We simply don't have them which is why Klopp wants all of them gone, per Ed01. However, you can't just replace a whole back line in one window. Even City still have Mangala and Otamendi on their books whereas Pep knows they are crap. That's the reality.

11.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 09:20:54
I am in diasgreance with KingKlopp's post 🤝.

12.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 10:30:55
So you wouldn't take anyoone from those teams Bingo. Let's hope we win the title coz according to your mythology we have better players than them so our results should be better than them as well!

13.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 10:56:27
I am in disagreeance with 95% of the post.

14.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 11:12:15
Or Harry, it could mean that none of those players would be any better than what we already have hence, won't improve us. Mou plays a defensive system cos he himself knows his back line bar Bailly, are not good enough when exposed as Stoke nearly put 4 past them. Pep knows his CB's are crap bar Kompany which is why he overwhelms the opposition with so many attacking players (6 out of 10 outfield players) to mitigate against this glaring weakness.

I know you like to think that any other player who does not play for us, is automatically better than our players BUT if you think Danilo, Mangala, Otamendi, Jones, Stones are better CB's than our Joe Gomez then you are deluding yourself. These are not myths. These are proven facts.

15.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 11:23:46
I would love a player like Matic or Bailey in my team right now. I don't care who goes to the bench. I would also take the two CB from Spurs.

Deep defensive or high line, Matic is excellent both on the ball and off the ball. One of the best positionally disciplined midfielder in the league.

Alonso played a deep defensive football at Liverpool, would you not take him? He went on to play counter and high line at both Real and Bayern. Best passer in 10 worlds any day!

16.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 12:29:06
But Bailey isn't available and there isn't a shelf marked players like . to go and pick them up from. This is not simple to change either by buying new players or by teaching players with short attention spans to focus better.

17.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 12:36:42
Good grief, Harry. Do you have difficulty reading? Where in my post did I mention Utd or City's midfield or attack. The thread is about both teams' defences and I specifically spoke of their defences and how I would not take any of their defenders apart from Bailly and Kompany BUT you conveniently ommitted this or just did not read my post correctly. Where did I mention Spurs at all? You must have issues paying attention to other people's comments cos you may be too busy trying to respond to questions or comments NOBODY is asking or making.

18.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 12:47:37
You talk about reading the thread properly and not diverting from it. Read the OP. Its about who would you pick from the top 4 clubs, Not who is unwanted in the top 6 or any kind.

19.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 13:44:20
Well done ed01 for not completely biting the original posters head off! I was reading it thinking "this guy is lining himself up for a real tongue lashing" but you were quite cordial. You mellowing in your old age?

There is a time to shout out how good we are and how much better we are than rivals. But it's not after a five nil drumming.

Kane has been golden boot last two years and he's a maybe. Lukaku who was second is not mentioned. We have the worst defence out of the top six with the exception of arsenal (MAYBE) I would take Ramsey from arsenal, I've always admired him.

We need a leader at the back. We should move for someone in January and then re ignite interest in vvd next summer. Imo. Not usually keen on January transfers but I think we need a cb in.

I actually think lovren could still come good with the right line leader next to him.

Matip has got away with a lot coz Hendo and Can protect him. He looks good on the ball but as ed says he can't defend and I'm starting to agree.

{Ed001's Note - cheers S91, I am in a good mood I guess.}

20.) 11 Sep 2017
11 Sep 2017 08:16:07
And what about Pogba Ed025? When on song he is juts incredible.

{Ed025's Note - hes an excellent player harry and will only get better i feel mate, he had a slow start last year but is now showing his worth..