10 Sep 2017 17:14:30
Ed01

I have to agree with you on the Mane red even if it wasn't intentional. however having just seen Ritchie for Newcastle against Swansea a few moments ago he jumps head height to nudge the ball on with his foot and studs showing and tge defender luckily didn't get caught as full on so managed to stay on his feet and you see ritchie mouth I didn't see him and gets a yellow for it!

There has to be some consistency with the refereeing in this country which just aggregates me!

Have you seen the incident and what are your thoughts on the refereeing in the Prem?

{Ed001's Note - we were literally discussing that on our editor's widget then. We all feel Ritchie should have got a red and refereeing inconsistencies are a major problem. There was one in the earlier game as well, McArthur went flying in with his boot head high to try and get on the end of a ball, right by two defenders. That one never even got given as a foul.}

1.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 17:38:07
Ed, Mane's challenge was a red, no question. I think the main reason it is a red is that Ederson got to the ball first and got a face full of studs. There is no way on earth where this scenario will not get a red card. Now, I have not seen the incidents you have mentioned above with Jonpow so I cannot comment. The lesson here is that in that situation, you don't raise your leg that high a for a head-level ball like that as that in itself is dangerous play. If he goes with his head, regardless of the outcome, Mane is not getting sent off and that should be the issue closed, IMO.

{Ed001's Note - that is the thing mate, all 3 incidents were needless. The ball is at head height, it does not take a genius to realise you go with your head.}

2.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 17:58:04
Thanks Ed01! Yeah just seen that other incident and cannot believe nothing was given.

I was lower end amature football player in the Liverpool county com league and if a ball is head height you go for it with your head! Don't see why players try to use their feet at that height.

3.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 18:16:23
I think the emphasis is on the player's judgement. Mane tried something (to get the ball ahead of the keeper) but got it all wrong and got the keeper in the face. To me he got a red because his poor judgement endangered another player.

If the player judges it right and safely wins the ball then that should be encouraged but the lesson should be only go for it if it's safe to do so.

4.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 18:39:08
My god if you think any of those are red cards you need to watch a different sport. Tiddlywinks or something maybe? This is a mans game and men get hurt playing it. I've had so many broken bones playing football it's unreal but you accept it. If Mane's is a red then you can chalk off Can's overhead kick from last season along with Rooney's and Andy Carrols because by kicking the ball from that height is endangering the opposition so they should all have been sent off. We have to be very careful here because without contact the sport will be boring and that's the way we are going. I'm sick of the holyer than thou brigade copy and pasting exerts from the rule book as 'proof' he should've been sent off. If that's the case then every time someone raises a boot above stomach height they have to go. It's the action of the player that warrants the card not the result of that action. Us that have played a lot of football know the cynical challenges that should be punished with red cards. I mean the over the top leg breakers or two footed lunges that can end a career. What happened yesterday was not that is was an accidental coming together but if we're now saying that's a red then let's be consistent but we'll end up with 8 a side.

{Ed002's Note - These sorts of posts are really embarrassing to read. It is all stemming from the standard Liverpool fan approach to blame someone else.}

5.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 18:52:57
A bit like certain manager he's blamed everyone from the ballboy, to the ref, to the team doctor to the fans and the opposing manager! He must have Scouse ancestry. 😂.

6.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 19:04:29
Again Mane could of seriously hurt Ederson. I don't think the problem is him getting a red, it's there doesn't seem to be consistency among refs.

Is raising your foot high when no one is around dangerous play? No. But then how close does someone need to be for it to be considered dangerous?

Should it be a yellow for accidental? How do you prove it's accidental, or intentional?

This is all part of the drama that makes football exciting.

Although yesterday's sending off ruined what was supposed to be the biggest game so far this season.

The refs are employed for their judgement, hopefully someone clarifys the rules, so all judgements are the consistent. However to do that, you need to take the human out of the decision making.

7.) 10 Sep 2017
10 Sep 2017 19:12:40
That was an over the top jaw breaker. The keeper is lucky to have escaped serious injury.

I did not think it was red at the time, doesn't help that the commentary was saying it was bit a red, but watching it back now fair sending off.

The more worrying issue is that we can't defend. If Klopp had an ounce of understanding about defending he would have drilled them to defend with their lives and possibly nick a goal from a set piece.