03 Sep 2017 20:35:12
I might be on my own here, but I hate it when players leave on a free at the end of the contract. I understand that that is the nature of a contract and the player has fulfilled his side of it, but it just doesn't sit well with me. I see it as like they are selling the club short after all the club has done for them. Anyone else see it like this?


1.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 20:48:49
Would be a bit miffed if we get absolutely nothing for Can. Personally though, I believe he will never want to leave after the season in store for us ;)

{Ed002's Note - are you miffed about Liverpool not paying a transfer fee for Matip?}


2.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 21:08:33
Nope. As long as they've acted professionally during their time at the club and given their all. Its up to the club to reward them with a new contract and if not the player has to look after themselves.


3.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 21:20:39
Come on Ed you know that a player coming in on a "free" is completely different, now stop trying to twist things! 🤣.


4.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 21:50:38
Ed002 is absolutely correct and it's not just Matip, it's Marcus Babbel and Gary Macca. It's the bizarre double standards of football fans. Players who are not wanted are "dead wood" and fans are desperate for the club to dump them on someone else regardless of the fact that they are contracted employees.

If a player fulfills his contract with LFC and doesn't want to sign a new one, wish them well and move on. They should be judged on what they do on the pitch.

Signing a new contract is not cost neutral for the club. The player gets a signing on fee, the agent gets a fee, the wages go up etc etc.


5.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 22:12:56
Not double standards Ron, I believe the same of any player for and club who is offered a new contract by the club they play for and turn it down just to make more money for themselves when they do move on a free. If a player isn't offered a new contract or there is problems with himself and the club then that is different, what I am talking about is greed. Players at top level football earn enough money with out having to deprive a club of a transfer fee just so they can get more money when they move. This is of course my opinion.


6.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 22:25:26
Or why don't you assure him some playing time than shouldering blame on him? I would send Hendo back to Sunderland to play Can in that role!


7.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 22:32:03
Meant to say "any club" above, not and. A good example is when mcmanaman moved to Real Madrid on a free, he was one of the best players in the world and we got nothing for him. Maybe this is what started this bitterness for me. 🤔.


8.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 22:53:21
Nope. Disagree with you on this 5 Gold stars. A contract stipulates the beginning and the end of a employer/ employee relationship with all its terms and conditions (I'm no lawyer but I've signed tons of them) . If there is a renewal it has to be mutual, just like the initial contract, otherwise I don't see how any side owes anything to the other, once the contract is over. Every player has the right to get the highest financial reward for himself, while every club has the right to get the best possible player for the lowest possible reward. Isn't this how the professional football works? Ed002 is right with the Matip example. Matip was offered a new contract which he declined, as Can is doing here. And what about the young kids? A kid like Rossiter who grew up and dreamed of being a a first teamer. He gave enough years trying to develop himself and stayed loyal to the LFC setup. Why didn't anyone force the club to renew his terms instead of letting him join Celtic? The club did not see a need for him so they let him move on. Similarly, Can feels the need to be elsewhere. Once the contract is over, the reasons for non renewal from either side are really of no significance. And in Can's case, the man has fulfilled his obligations either equal to or far above expectations. So why create a situation where he is portrayed as some kind of bad guy?


9.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 22:56:49
If Can plays plenty this season and doesn't sign the contract on the table then we know it's more to do with greed than playing time don't we. The move he wanted for his World Cup selection year didn't happen so there is no reason not to sign if he is playing regularly.


10.) 03 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 23:22:02
It's a tough one. Personally I find it a little sad that we see players as employees who are simply fulfilling a contract rather than footballers who give their heart to play well for the club they love. Sadly those days are long gone (although perhaps not forever) and it is how it is. I agree that can should be given playing time but let's be honest, he has been given it. I find it hard to believe that liverpool will let a player of his quality leave for nothing and I guess we'll know by January.
Of course can has fulfilled his contract and been a pro but I understand fans frustration that the lad isn't dying to sign on the line.

I also agree that he is crazy for wanting to leave, LFC is one of the most exciting projects around.

On the other side of the coin he is a Rodgers player (I think) and not a klopp buy, maybe if he doesn't start it's coz he isn't what klopp has in mind. If cout's leaves next year I have faith that FSG will front the money for a decent replacement and if Can leaves then ce la vie we have kieta.


11.) 04 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 23:38:43
I take it you meant to say you hate seeing the 'successful players' leave on a free? Lots of unsuccessful players are left go. It's an equal two way street.


12.) 04 Sep 2017
03 Sep 2017 23:40:05
Fair enough 5GS, I appreciate your point of view.

Mine is aligned more with ra1969.

It seems to me we want players who are playing well for the team to commit their undying loyalty to the club whereas players who are struggling are draining the club and should go forth and multiply.

At the end of the day it's their career, can't blame them for wanting to get the best deal for themselves.


13.) 04 Sep 2017
04 Sep 2017 01:12:37
Its what the bosnan ruling was about (I think)

Before clubs had nearly all the power over players, They owned the regestration of the player or something to that effect.

Maybe the Eds could help out on this please?


14.) 04 Sep 2017
04 Sep 2017 02:56:52
Don't begrudge Can a move to Juve if the opportunity comes along. He signed a 4 year contract, will fulfill it and leave on a high after giving his all on the pitch. What more do u expect from him?
You want him to sign a new contract just so the club can make money at his expense? What if Can does sign a new contract and Juve then decide to go for a cheaper option? That leaves the player in a precarious position.
Can wants assurances Klopp cannot give so moving elsewhere is the best option for him. I for one accept his decision to leave as Keita and AOC arriving is a clear indication that can has already been replaced and the player was kind enough to give Klopp a one year notice.


15.) 04 Sep 2017
04 Sep 2017 03:05:14
No one likes it but that's football. You can't begrudge a player being willing to run down his contract, he is also taking a risk, he could suffer a career ending injury in November and then no club would offer him a contract. If this is a problem for you consider how many other players who would like to stay have their contracts expire without being offered a new one, it works both ways.


16.) 04 Sep 2017
04 Sep 2017 03:24:05
Double standards and hypocrisy? Are you lot mental? You don't need to be a hypocrite to be miffed by Can leaving for free. What next? We're hyprocrital for being miffed by conceding goals because we also score goals against opponents? Criticising fellow reds fans just for the sake of it has become somewhat of a sport in here.


17.) 04 Sep 2017
04 Sep 2017 05:55:59
Absolutely agree with Robin in the Hood. I am miffed every time a Liverpool player leaves for free and delighted when we sign a good player for free. That is not hypocrisy. I am Liverpool fan, not the Secretary General of the UN.


18.) 04 Sep 2017
04 Sep 2017 06:21:14
I'm not sure you can point to greed if he plays a lot this year 5GS. He knows Naby is coming in next year still and wants to play first team footy. Now if I was him I would consider my competition and be positive I. e. Hendo's injury, Couts likely to leave, Lallana nearly 30, Grujic and Woodbury not starters (yet), Gini is the only real issue for him as he seems to play every minute of every game but a mid if Can, Gini and Keita sounds pretty boss to me. Shame if he does leave because I could see him taking over captaincy from Hendo if he did stay and I don't see any other real candidates. Joe Gomez maybe?


19.) 04 Sep 2017
04 Sep 2017 06:29:51
Gutted yes perhaps, but certainly not at Can. He's entirely within his rights to run down his contract, just as we are to not renew it if we don't want to. Why should he be obliged to sign a new one just so Liverpool can make some money on a sale? What happens if we then hold him to that new contract and not sell him?

I hope he does sign one, but only because I want him to stay.


20.) 04 Sep 2017
04 Sep 2017 08:45:20
Yeah 5 GOLD, it is only you. You may not remember BUT this has already been litigated in the courts 20 yrs ago by a certain Jean Marc Bosman who is the reason players have the freedom to run down their contracts and make the money they feel they deserve and better their own lives.

As a result, players have no further obligation to do jack for a club anymore as the agreement has been fulfilled on both sides and if one side wants out, said party is free to do that. If the club wants to let Can go on a free, they are free to do that BUT Can is not allowed to move on as a free agent? Utter nonsense. This is professional football, my friend.

Can is free to do what he wants and it should not be a problem and never has been until you brought it up. He respected his contract, played his heart out for us, played thru injury to help get us top 4. What else do you want?