12 Aug 2017 22:33:01
Some people need to cool the jets. It's the first match . Tuesday is going to be a tougher game in my opinion. Things might not go our way on the night. Chances are we could score 4 and concede 5. I agree with carra vvd won't make a difference the way we set up at set pieces. It doesn't take a genius to work that out. As much as I love hendo I think he's wasted in front of the back four.

1.) 12 Aug 2017
12 Aug 2017 22:55:16
Don't think he's captain material either.

2.) 12 Aug 2017
12 Aug 2017 23:17:14
Leadership in the back is what is needed. Someone like carra to rip into players to stay in their positions and mark properly. We can have all of the proper technical players we want, but without the leadership in the back to organize and rip arse, it doesnt' matter.

3.) 12 Aug 2017
12 Aug 2017 23:46:46
It's not about marking in set pieces is it? How long do we carry on with zonal marking before we decide it doesn't work for us? Talk about square peg, round hole. The way our boys were set up in corners, it's like inviting the opposition to score. I don't actually know (how they were set up) if it's possible defend decent corners? Ridiculous. Hendo wasn't the problem was he? He's great no 6 for us, the heartbeat of the team. How you can say he's not captain material? I assume you know him? No. Then what are you talking about. Talk about sweeping statement. Attacking we are good even though in 3rd gear today but it's set pieces. It was last season and it was today. People slag our defenders when actually they ain't bad. We don't concede many from open play. We concede from set pieces and that is down to system. Ergo management and coaching staff. Sorry jurgen and co, love you guy's but it's true.

4.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 00:08:13
agree superred. good post.

5.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 00:09:24
Just to be clear. I think klopp is a brilliant manager. Love our football under him, has made unbelievable players out of our squad.
The zonal thing ain't working.

6.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 00:14:14
Just seen all the other posts about zonal marking. It doesn't take z genius to see it.

On another note, I'm glad people can see we can score without coutinio. Obvious really, just transfer season fever making people crazy. I think kieta would've made a difference today. We need more metal in the team. Sell cout's buy kieta vvd and lanzini.

7.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 00:18:02
I agree if we conceded 50% less of set pieces we'd have finished 3rd last season at least. I know it's a new season, but this zonal marking clearly isn't working, just go back to basics with man marking, one man on the post and one spare man. Then at least people can be more at fault for the opposition scoring if our players don't track THIER man to mark. Simples really.
Has he always used zonal marking in his managerial career does anyone know?

8.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 01:07:17
As much as I agree superred rafa won the cl with zonal marking. Saying that we had hyypia and carra but I can also remember when things wernt going well it was a big thing on sly. They made such a big deal out of it. Even Rodney marsh was a pundit then and them other two f%&kwits.

9.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 01:17:11
Zonal can work but it needs perfect set up EVERYTIME. Dunno why it doesn't work for us. I can only put it down to lack of intelligence and lack of leadership. For watford second (I think) where the ball ended up was not defendable (is that word?! ) It shouldn't have got past the front post, can't remember who's responsibility that was. gini? Zonal is reliant on too many things being done perfectly. when they are so often not done so by liverpool. I mean, in training the guys must ship loads of goals aswell? We must be aware of the problem. SwitchING to man marking isn't going to happen and I don't think klopp should re-evaluate his philosophy. I don't know the answer? I think our cbs are decent but perhaps not suited to zonal system. We were told jurgen had £200 mil this summer, look for defenders who have mastered the zonal thing, played it all there careers. Or change the system.

10.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 01:20:15
Who are these "leaders" then?

Name names. It's too easy to say the club should sign a particular type of player and not put your neck on the line.

11.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 01:24:07
Sorry bignig dude. Didn't mean to bite your head off. He has big boots to fill does Hendo.

12.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 08:11:53
Great discussion, guys and Superred is correct. As for me, zonal marking is too much of a high risk, high reward. Last season, we did not do a full zonal marking system. We did a mix of zonal and man marking meaning, we did a zonal marking across the 6 hard box and then man marking outside of it and in the last six games of last season, it worked when we kept 4 clean sheets in 6 games to get top 4 altho Lucas helped immensely. We need to get back to that and also, our CB's NEED TO GROW A PAIR AND TAKE CHARGE.

13.) 13 Aug 2017
13 Aug 2017 17:34:16
No worries Supered91 you make a good point having big boots to fill, nobody could replace Stevie G. I just don't see Hendo being mentally strong enough/ having the balls to kick some asses on the pitch or dressing room. I don't think we have any characters like that at present.