09 May 2017 13:38:58
I'm sorry ed002, you can carry on saying klopp isn't as good as Liverpool fans say he is what you have to understand is Liverpool have had one top four finish in the last 8 odd years and this man has nearly got us back there in his first full season.
He already has given us come quality memories in the big Dortmund come back, got us to two cup finals in his first year - now ed002 you would be right to say that he failed because we won neither of them, but for fans of a club who have been ridiculously mediocre over the last decade or so, it's nice just being involved.
So I don't know why you were expecting him to win the league or even challenge for it in his first year, we don't have the word class players Chelsea have, we don't have the depth that Tottenham have, they are 2 very very good teams that have finished above us, and as far as I'm concerned klopp said judge me after 3 years, and I'm willing to give him the time.
The fact is ed Liverpool football club has shown large amounts of progression under klopp.
{Ed002's Note - (a) It is his second season - it is slightly embarrassing that some football fans fall back on the feeble excuse that last season was just transition. (b) I recognise that the Liverpool fans like to celebrate failure now - it strikes me as strange but there you go. (c) It is nothing to do with Chelsea or Spurs. It is about Liverpool. Klopp saidd he could win the league with the players he inherited and would need to make little or no change - that he what he promised FSG - maybe he is that naive and knows little of the game - else he was lying to the board? (d) I am suire you will give him endelss amounts of time as you appear to have been taken in by his persona.}
1.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 14:24:54
Ruthless, Ed02 is right as to what Klopp told the owners and why he would tell them that in spite of the big holes the squad has, is baffling to me as that is simply naive or over-promising at best. Bringing other teams into it is just pointless, really. Klopp is NOT perfect and that much is clear and you can disagree with Ed02 all you want BUT you cannot disprove his/ her facts. And by the way, I am a HUGE Klopp fan.
2.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 14:13:17
I thought THIS season was the transition? 🤔
Last season was the "free hit".
Next season is "our year" ðŸ†
I think secretly, deep, deep, deep down ed002 has a little man-crush for Kilpperty 😉.
3.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 14:21:12
ed if we get top 4 this will be a good year for us. we have finished in top 4 once in 7 years. it is progress. yes klopp has a lot to learn with regards how he uses his players and the fact he relies on one style of play but he is what we have and we must stick by him. where have we celebrated failure? one team can win the league and it looked good at the start of the season then we dipped dramacially for a number of different reasons but we have to hope given money to spend he will get it right in the summer and allow us to compete with a larger squad
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{Ed002's Note - It will be a good year for the fans who celebrate failure but not for the club and certainly not for the owners. Vast amounts of money has been spent. The squad is constrained by size - Liverpool does not have a small squad.}
4.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 14:23:05
Please tell why they give him a new contract.
{Ed002's Note - Because they were taken in by the persona.}
5.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 14:45:27
Klopp is extremely limited as a manager but has that charisma to win fans and people outside. One of the reason people lor him. He wouldn't lace the boots of Rafa.
6.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 15:31:10
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{Ed002's Note - It is astonishing the number of Liverpool supporters who change their names to be abusive to the Eds. Another embarrassing post.}
7.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 15:42:31
Plot twist ed002 was once taken in by klopps persona and charm (smiling clown act) and made advances toward the charismatic German offering to help and advise him with certain things only to be rejected and shunned like mama sakho.
8.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 15:45:37
I actually think if we qualify for champions league and he had the lure of CL football for potential targets then next year is the one he needs to deliver.
Yes he made a massive error talking up of winning the league to the owners, should of kept his mouth shut on that one.
But that aside I tho k taking that squad of players and into the champions league would be a step forward that we needed as we as fans should be realistic about the expectations of winning the league with the squad we have had and the fact we haven't won the damn thing in over 20 years.
9.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 16:08:43
I've said it for years, Rafa is the one we need. Under him we were playing in quarter, semis and even finals of the Champions league. Now we even struggle to qualify.
He knows the quality players we need as well, if not restricted by dickhead owners (I can see trouble ahead with Ashley) .
I know he can be stubborn and could have handled the Xabi Alonso situation better but, tactically, he is light years ahead of Klopp.
I think we need to give Kipperty another year or two but, if he doesn't come up with the goods, I hope they bring back Rafa rather than than gamble on anyone else.
10.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 16:09:44
Who cares what he told the owners. why is this continually mentioned? no one cares what he promised the owners. they have yet to deliver on a few of their own promises after years at the club. Put it this way, i doubt they'll be showin Klopp the door after delivering Champions League with little or no net spend.
{Ed002's Note - The owners care. Klopp will certainly care. Nobody is suggesting they will sack him - they can't afford to.}
11.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 16:49:58
It's a good point Emre ðŸ‘.
12.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 16:51:34
Too right they cant, its all about opinions i suppose! where you see a poor coach i see someone who is sorting the club out from the youths right up to the first team.
13.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 17:12:38
You don't think Fsg are "a little naive" to think that Klopp could win the league with this team and little investment Ed002?
{Ed002's Note - No, I think Klopp was naive to say it or a liar.}
14.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 17:16:53
Also i teally find it astounding that these very astute businessmen were taken in by Klopp's "persona". Off course they were also taken in by Brendan's dossier. I think there are bigger issues at LFC than Klopp's shortcomings as a manager.
{Ed002's Note - What would they be? The repeated tapping up scandals, the latest court case, the club being the most punished in Europe last season because of the fans?}
15.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 17:36:19
Arguing with ed002 about Klopp is like mud wrestling with a pig. Eventually you realise the pig is enjoying it. Leave him to his wives and enjoy the insight he brings to this site.
16.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 17:38:01
Sums up how violence and racial abuse are tolerated in some of the other larger leagues of Europe if we are the most punished.
17.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 17:49:12
All who disagree with my post, if Klopp flops, who would you realistically want to replace him if not Rafa?
18.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 18:38:44
Klopp is what we got and despite his failings, which all managers have might i add he is getting us back into the champions league. We were also playing the best football i have seen us play in years at the start of the season and that includes the yr we came second under bodgers.
Im no klopp apologist and i critisise him when he deserves it but i am also unashamed to say i am a klopp fan.
Will he get it right, i don't know but i have learned to enjoy the journey and not just the outcomes. Ed02 quite rightly has his opinion on klopp but don't see the need for outrage, just agree to disagree and i am also unashamedly an ed02 fan. and ed01 and ed25 and well you get the drift.
19.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 18:51:00
He's doing exactly what he did at Dortmund, think it took him 2 years just to get them back into europe there. it wasnt success straight away. he'll continue trimming the squad and adding better players while leaving room for the youngsters to come through.
20.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 22:08:56
Exactly, Emre and Coming. But I guess he must be a failure cos he did not win the league in his first full season cos clearly all the other managers at LFC have done that in the PL era, right? Total nonsense.
21.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 17:41:46
All of the above Ed002 and also the constant failing of the owners not to learn from past mistakes. You said it yourself, a 6 year contract, taken in by Klopps Persona, taken in by the promises of one man which in reality is "pie in the sky". Tell me, before Fsg's ownership did Liverpool have as many of these "issues" that you have brought to our attention? You have admit Ed002, they are amatuers when it comes to the running of a football club?
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has changed owners like Chelsea changed managers for a while. FSG has given stability but there is constant pressure to make changes and periodic threats. That is disruptive and the reason why other teams have the jump - and don't have an annual transition. The owners have done well in general terms but have been naive. They have suffered at the hands of the fans so that has disrupted the way forward.}
22.) 09 May 2017
09 May 2017 18:51:18
By when exactly did Klopp promise FSG he would win the league?
FSG extended Klopp's contract to 2022 less than 12 months ago. That suggests to me that FSG will, to an extent, be patient in allowing him to develop a squad that achieves his promises. Giving him a new six-year contract and demanding he wins them the league immediately seems unlikely.
Top four is a realistic step forward. Most fans will be happy with that for now, and I'd be amazed if most associated with the club weren't as well.
{Ed002's Note - That was the promise when he got the job - don't look for excuses all of the time - it is exteremely embarrassing and something we see over and over from Liverpool supporters.}