02 May 2017 12:35:56
Hi Eds and Reds, got a general question for you, what you think of this planned video replay a fifth official sitting in a room saying whether offside or not for example. personally i am against it totally for two main reasons, one. the speed of football is one of the best things about it and it will slow it down and go towards making it a longer match and could eventually end up like nfl (which although i love nfl taking 3 hours for a 60 minute game is nuts)
two. mistakes will still happen and i have a good example for this, man utd vs anderlect the ibrahimavic goal, the pundits during the game couldn't even agree whether it onside or offside the official bt have on their books couldn't determine straight away which was right, so if they couldn't do this and where still disagreeing after 5 minutes how is an extra official going to make those snap calls and expect to be right all the time it will slow the game down then add all other decisions he thinks the ref has got wrong football will he be speaking to the ref to change his decision or is he just going to be there to be called on if needed. To me this right up there with van bastens ideas for sin bins and no offside.

{Ed001's Note - I am with you, in that I think this is the wrong way to do it.}

1.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 14:11:38
Perhaps if this is a likely route, it can be similar to tennis in that the teams have a set amount of things they can challenge.

2.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 14:16:01
I have my reservations and I've heard a lot of good arguments both for and against it. If it slows things down too much, it'll ruin the game as you say. Ultimately, we're not going to know until it's properly tested, so why not give it a go? If works keep it. If not, take it away and maybe try something else.

3.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 14:25:22
Personally I feel you are looking at extreme circumstances. So let's look at extreme circumstances which would be helped via video. Dirty tackles and stamps. Obvious fouls like shirt pulling and the hot topic of diving. People will say these offences could be dealt with with retrospective action by the fa but let's face it it isn't. So personally I think it's inevitable we will see video being brought in which I support. Let's face it enough time gets wasted now during matches via the decisions which are being made now. Plus we see players fighting and dissent to the officials for the decisions being made. Which is another part of the game which needs to be cleaned up as it sets a bad example to the younger generations.

4.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 15:03:49
I think it could be put in for penalty decisions and goals which have a suspicion of offside. Because it takes a while to get a penalty organised and by that time a video ref could have watched the incident several times and be able to give the right verdict. Same with offside goals. By the time the team stop celebrating you would have a decision. If they're too close for a quick call then the goal/ penalty stands.

{Ed001's Note - the only time I have seen a video ref used, it was in the A-League and it took over two minutes and still came to the wrong decision.....}

5.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 15:19:12
I would be in favor only in circumstance where the ref is unsure and play has already stopped (i. e. a goal being awarded but unsure on offside) and I think each side should have just one challenge only in event of a penalty or a goal being awarded.

6.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 15:24:01
Bruffio, they should do it the way it is done in the NFL. If there is not enough evidence to overturn the call after looking at it closely for however long required, the ruling on the field stands. It is effective on this front however since the offside rule has so many grey areas in it, there would still be problems.

7.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 15:43:35
I think each team should get 1 referal per half. But I also love watching rugby league and that's a fast game and they have video ref.

8.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 15:54:14
Zimbo mate I'm with you only review decision if it leads to a goal penalty where the game is already stopped anyway or in the case of bad tackles while a player is being treated where the game is already stopped.

9.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 16:39:27
Do you stop the play if the ref is unsure about a pen, what I mean by that is currently if it's a pen it's a pen and the game is stopped. It's not stopped if the ref doesn't think it is one and therefore no natural break in play. So scenario, ref correctly calls no pen, team goes down the other end and scores, perfect. New scenario, ref is unsure so thinks id better use video or I'll get destroyed, game stops but he was right, no pen. Other team is back and organised defensively now. Or does the game carry on and he halts it 30seconds later and it all gets called back.
I just cannot see a way the game is not irrevocably changed. Tennis, NFL are almost like lots of individual points played separately. They stop and can be replayed, or a decision made. Even rugby stops. Football is so flued that an entire game could turn out differently if the 1st kick off was played to different players. According to string theory that's happening somewhere and so somewhere we're winning the league every year 😂👍.

10.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 16:45:14
*fluid not flued!

11.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 18:08:13
In hockey they do referrals and the ref can chose. I worry about referrals as surely a team could just refer a nothing tackle when the other team is on the counter to stop them. Similarly, if the ref isn't sure, do they wait for play to stop, or do they just do it as soon as - if no foul occurred, again it could stop a counter. Or it could be 10 minutes before the ball goes out again.

12.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 19:45:53
In the Watford game, we saw a ref get hit by the ball and make up a rule on the spot to cover for it. We also saw them miss several fouls and offsides simply from not watching the flow of the game first. Video refs can't help if they don't do themselves any favours - every once in a while there will be an extreme case (like Costa's stamp on Can when play had moved well on last season, or a foul right on the edge of the box where the ref can't see if its in or out) but they won't reverse the wave of bad decisions happening in the flow of play right now which are caused by little more than the poor positioning and attention of refs. What will help is better training and better fitness.

13.) 02 May 2017
02 May 2017 20:44:26
For me they should only review goals scored as there is a natural break in play anyways. And then if they really want to go there, then allow the referee to review potential penalty incidents.