28 Feb 2017
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Liverpool Player Sightings page entitled, Manager win ratios

1.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 21:57:17
The truth hurts.

2.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 03:13:41
Truth that is shrouded in deception. Moyes was managing the reigning champions. Klopp took over the team that came 6th.

3.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 04:07:24
Thanks Robin. Never thought I should look at it that way. For a few hours, because of just one statistic number, I started to question whether some fans that already started questioning Klopp as the manager, maybe have a point.

4.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 04:19:57
I'm not against the idea of criticising Klopp, but statistics like these are absolutely useless and not constructive. You'd think some fans would be able to immediately remind themselves that Moyes took over the team that ran away with the EPL weeks before the season ended. Unlike Ranieri, Moyes deserved to be sacked because his methods were just not working, the players weren't buying into his subtle mid-table mentality.

{Ed001's Note - it is called context Robin, you have provided some, without which those numbers are just meaningless numbers. There is more to it, I mean it hasn't taken into account the amount of times either manager has put out a reserve side in a game because they are saving the better players for another competition.

There are other things, such as when they took over, Klopp took over a struggling team midseason, a team low on confidence and really struggling. When Moyes took over, they were reigning champions and high on confidence with a preseason to work with the players and get them going. So Moyes had time to work with the players before games came along, Klopp didn't.}

5.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 05:04:15
Exactly ed, my explanation was only scratching the surface.

But do you agree with my opinion on Moyes' sacking? I just feel like that from the start the players never really warmed to him. I live in Sydney, and in 2013 they came down under for a pre-season tour, and one day they trained at a small stadium only 5 minutes up the road from me (it was f***ing exciting even as a Liverpool fan) . When I was watching them train, I didn't really notice any strong rapport between them and Moysey.

{Ed001's Note - the players never wanted Moyes and it was a similar situation to this season with Leicester, where they made sure he was not going to succeed. They saw him as petty and out of touch with modern football. They were right, he had a good set up at Everton, which enabled him to continue to get results long after his time was past, but he was found out when he has to try and build a new set up.}

6.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 05:43:19
There's still a big difference between United '13 and Leicester. Leicester made sure Ranieri was not going to succeed because they couldn't be bothered since in their own mind they had nothing more to prove. This is in stark contrast to United, who had more to prove than ever after Fergie's retirement. I think the players were hungry to win again, but were very confused by Moyes, and this affected their performances. Moyes' tactics and etc were a legitimate excuse, but I feel it's a very weak and convenient excuse for Leicester players.