28 Feb 2017 17:54:52
Come on guys let's stick with it, I know the instant gut reaction to a performance/ result (run) like yesterday is a mix of disappointment anger, then we get onto the blame game blah blah. I read things like that Klopp has no plan b, that we should of signed x y and z in January, we've known our defensive frailties for years etc. Would like give a different view on this. First of all no plan b, Klopp has a football philosophy which is high tempo pressure and possession based game, it's a high risk big rewards kind of approach, does he doubt his beliefs and change to a defensive passive 4231 because we play against Vardy and Leicester? Last night showed me that the top quality isn't in the squad to play this system/ approach to a consistent level YET! Lucas was exposed playing a high defensive line against a pacey forward with a point to prove. Do we sit deep to protect him? Lucas was superb against the best striker in the league two weeks previous but then Kane isn't so quick. If Klopp doubt's his style, do the players then begin to doubt him? Well we should of brought in a quality centre back in January. Who? Was the quality available then at a sensible price? Who will still be at the club in five years time? No. Not forgetting that at the beginning of January we still had about 8 centre backs on the books. Can't just get all the jigsaw pieces in one transfer window, keeping the players they replace in a bloated highly paid squad. Klopp is a trust manager, he'll put his trust in a group of players for a whole season, not giving up on them when things get difficult. But it's a two way thing the players have to trust in him and his methods. Come the summer it'll take a different look with new players added and others moved on and again he'll back that group for the season. We're better positioned than last season, we've only finished in the top 4 once in 7 years, progress is being made, maybe not as quickly as we'd all like but I genuinely believe it's going to get better and better with a little patience and trust from us.


1.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 18:51:17
Caister, I agree with your post globally and it would be pointless to throw the baby out with the bath water. however, I must say that this squad has some gaping holes in it.

We have no CB as cool and competent to play alongside Matip who is very good. Lovren is injured and Klavan and Lucas would have been ripe for the taking vs Vardy. Gomez? No thanks as the kid is not ready. Also, Hendo is injured and we might as well play w/ o a DM. Studge? Nowhere to be found. Regardless of all that, there is something worse going on that cannot be ignored. ATTITUDE. LC to my surprise, came out flying and frankly, they needed to as they had a lot to prove.

As soon as the game began, I could see that we weren't able to match their intensity and drive. In other words, they did to us what we do to other teams. They played heavy intense football and we shrunk and couldn't take the medicine we dish out regularly. Our poor attitude towards playing lesser teams is what will destroy our season, I'm afraid.

How can you explain that our 5 losses this season have been vs teams in the bottom half? While in the top 6 mini league, NOBODY even in our worst form, can beat us. That is my problem LC brought it and we didn't. You know who else agrees with this view? Klopp himself as he said the exact same thing. If we don't fix our pathetic mentality along with tweaks in our system, goodbye to top 4.


2.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 19:20:14
To an extent I agree, but don't think it's a case of poor attitude, think we miss certain skill sets in the squad like balance on the left hand side, Milner and Coutinho make us narrow against teams like you mentioned who pack the middle of the pitch. A leader from centre back is also something we lack skills wise and an overall lack of pace. Think Klopp will address this in the summer, don't know who these players will be, but I bet they'll have these skills.


3.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 20:19:13
Firstly Klopp played 4-2-3-1 at Dortmund with two sitting midfielders for the majority of his time there, so it is his preferred formation. He changed to 4-3-3 to suit the players he had and the players he brought in. It is high risk high reward, most of us know this but this will not take us anywhere for the long term. We cannot be good in attack and terrible through the middle and at the back and expect to achieve our targets most seasons. We need a much more balanced apparoch in the premier league and it is up to the coaching staff to sort that out, that includes Klopp. A change of philosophy is perhaps the only thing that will stop bad runs like this, and it is certainly not the first time it has happened with a Klopp team, that shows it is more than the players. I also don't buy the excuse of a poor attitude against lesser teams, I believe that may be true in some cases but certainly not every time we have lost to lesser teams. Would you say it was a poor attitude from the hungry youngsters that lost against wolves and had poor performances against plymouth? I believe that excuse is as bad as the 'the players are exhausted' BS the half glass full fans tried to pull out. I believe there are problems in terms of quality in the team but when you look at personnel I don't think we should be as bad as we have been, not even close. We are currently under relegation form averaging under a point a game, that is ridiculous for a top 6 team. These players are better than the teams we have lost too which signals something more than a gaping whole here and there. I believe it is a combination of things, manager and players included. I think when you look at how bad our defence has been in seasons past and blamed the respective manager, we are just as bad this season, no improvements there. I think we took a different approach in midfield and instead of addressing it we changed it around and went more attacking rather than defensive and it worked for a bit, not so much now as we rely too heavily on Henderson which I said was a mistake since the summer. Up front we have improved, I know it doesn't look the case now but in terms of the players we have improved and the way they play at times is the best attacking play in the league. However this isn't good enough, after two seasons and being in the position we where in, if we do not get top 4, it isn't a step forward from last season. I recognise Klopp requires time and I will give him that, hence why even if we don't achieve top 4 I'll still say stick with him, but he must get it right in the summer and he has yet to prove he will, so all this 'believe' crap should be put on hold. So I am glad I have always reserved judgment on Klopp unlike some who have simply embarrassed themselves thinking he's our messiah.

We need to take a measured approach in the summer and spend decent money on areas that need fixing in the starting 11 not anything else. I am tired of getting quantity over quality. We must not just get rid of people that have had bad performances here and there, we just get rid of the dead wood. No knee jerk reactions and hopefully no egos involved like what happened with sahko which couldve been an option. Klopp, just like the players cannot escape criticism any longer. Let's see how things play out in the coming weeks and we will surely get more answers.


4.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 22:02:43
Caister, you're not wrong on this point either. I guess we are both right as it is a combination of both. We'll see what happens. As for those asking for Klopp's sacking, don't hold your breathe.


5.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 22:07:53
Not sure what's the progress being made other than fans pretending something has been made. Klopp has a poorer record than Brendan. We finished 7th last season currently sits on 5th and has every chance to finish to 7th again after buying Mane, Wijnaldum and many more!


6.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 02:03:29
Facts are, klopp is bad at transfers, tactics and adapting. he plays a high press game even when teams park the bus or play long balls over the top or counter. What is there to press when a team is absorbing pressure or playing long balls. It's why we can beat spuds but can't beat Leicester. Why we lose against the bottom teams but are undefeated against the top. If he's unwilling to adapt we will never win anything. Klopp is inspirational and a good man manager, but he's bad at transfers, tactics and adapting. I love the guy but I just don't see it.


7.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 18:25:22
That is a false comparison, Harry. What did BR actually achieve exactly? Were you one of those cheering for him when we were getting stoned 6-1 by Stoke? We already have 14 points more than we did at this stage last season as well as have scored goals for fun.

Is everything rosy? No. Is he perfect? No! If you got by the media into thinking we could win the PL with all the holes still needing to be filled in the squad and comparing us to a potent squad like Chelsea's, then that is your fault and yours alone. You kept bleating on here as to why Klopp can't coach like Mou, Poch or Conte yet, none of these coaches can beat him.

We know you don't like Klopp hence, you beat him up whenever we lose cos it's what you do. But stop comparing him with BR cos he won NOTHING here in three years and Klopp (who is 18 months on the job) played two finals in 8 months with BR's team, the very one he himself trashed when he needed to. BR will never be in his league even with 100 trophies in the pathetic Sunday league in Scotland.


8.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 18:32:59
Klopp hasn't spent a tenth of the money Rodgers spent.
He at least came out and said they as a group are playing for their futures inclouding himself and that the performance was awful.
Bod gers would have came out with some spiel about great character etc.
It seems when we have a break be it via an international or as yesterday from being out of the cups that the team lose all momentum.
I think aside from king kenny that he is the right man for the job.
Let's judge him at the end of the season and compare then against the previous regimes.