28 Feb 2017 14:48:25
Come on people. We are going through a bad patch right now but perspective is needed. Yesterday morning everyone on here was bleating about the disgusting sacking of Ranieri, and how he should've been given time. Fast forward 24 hours and now we want our own gaffer sacked.

Give the bloke a chance. Liverpool have been a mid table team since 2010. Simple as that. Klopp inherited an average side and we all started piling on unrealistic expectations after a couple of miraculous cup runs last season.

Realistically speaking, last seasons Europa league run was littered with lucky results or last gasp victories. I think we only just beat Augsburg 1-0 over two legs!

Klopp is working to the best we can realistically expect. Our squad is vastly over rated. We don't have a solid keeper though hopefully Karius or Ward can become that. We don't have a solid right back, but with any luck Arnold is on the rise. We have 1 above average centre back in Matip. We don't have a left back. We have about 20 midfielders, but still don't have a pair or trio which work well without Henderson as the glue. We have about 10 forwards but half of them are injury prone, a third of them don't fit the style of play, and we only have one player comfortable out wide.

I keep reading that the squad doesn't need an overhaul but to be honest, it really does. Our best players this season have been Matip, Henderson, Wijnaldum and Mane. 3 of those guys were signed by Klopp. He will get this team performing if we let him. You don't just jump from 6-9th to winning the league unless it is an absolute freak scenario. We don't have the players or the infrastructure to dine at the same table as Chelsea, City and United (who have won trophies for fun in the last 10 years) .

Ed002 laughs at the word transition, but if we are honest the club is in transition and has been for years. It has gone on for so long though with muppets making big decisions that we now find ourselves cut adrift. We can climb back to the top, but barring a fluke season like what Leicester had, we are a long way off a league title, and even further from sustainable success. We are about 2 years behind Spurs on a very similar journey back to the top.

Learn to live with the fact that we will lose games and go on long good or bad runs. Because it takes a long time to build something that is sustainable. I fully believe Klopp will be here for the next 5 years, but I would not be surprised if it takes him the remainder of his contract before he wins a league title, and by then he will probably be ready to pass his dynasty on to Pepjin Linders or maybe even Steven Gerrard (hinging on his success as a coach) .

Last night was pathetic and I am not defending the team, but it was also nothing we haven't seen regularly since 2010; arguably 1990. So "get over it" is the short version of this post!


1.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 15:02:57
Difference being, he led them to the premier league and they are still in the champions league, with a chance of going through, what has klopp actually achieved? Even Rodgers did a better job, and kenny won a cup,


2.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 15:03:08
Yawn, MK on his horse again.

Klopp is a good manager, I like him, but he's got a LOT wrong recently. The burden lies with him alone, he did not strengthen where it was required and took the players away for a summer training camp. I am yet to be convinced in Gigi in the middle, ones thing for sure, him and Can do not work. Lucas was grossly outmatched.

Klopp has been for to slow to enact changes to alter game outcomes. which shows when he brings on''game changing subs on the 80th minute 2 goals down) for some reason he kept going with the highline that was exposed incredibly early on. I;ve monitored on here, not too many asking for him to be sacked TBH.

The club is not in transition, we needed 4 good signings, he got karius (not what we needed) ditched a LB, kept Lovren and got Gigi, the squad was NOT improved. This lies at his feet, as do the tactics.


3.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 15:15:01
MK, I agree with most of your post, we will find it difficult to finish in the top six, tho, we have some home games to try and get some very important points .
But, Klopp is very much overated in my view, he has 3 transfer windows to sort out our leaky defence,
we have one of the worst goalies in the League, we have a back four, a right winger at left back, a slow short midfielder at centre back, a right back who would not get into most other sides in the League, we have so many nice midfielders with no bite, we have no striker who can give us 20 goals per season, we have a manager who has no plan B or C,
beaten by Burnley, Bouremouth, Swansea, Hull, Leicester, Wolves, and Southampton twice,
2017, 12 games, 6 Losses, 4 Draws and 2 Wins,
3 clean sheets, 11 goals for, 16 goals against,
a shambles,
so yes, we should finish about 6th or 7th, that's were we are, so, not sure were we go from here, but we won't have much money for the next transfer window, , unless we sell a couple of these so called star players, we need to do something,
but will Klopp be man enough to do it .


4.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 16:57:15
And who would take over klopp? Pardew? Klopp can only do so much I blame the players. They put in no effort last night they're to blame. The main culprits being clyne and can, both really poor.


5.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 17:26:52
Chilean I will ignore the personal attack because I really cannot be bothered with you getting yet another one of my posts deleted! Let's be civil in debate.

Where in this post have I said Klopp is not to blame? All I have said is he needs time to get it right, which is pretty obvious that I therefore think he is getting it wrong currently!

He has made a few clangers in the market; Karius, Caulker, Klavan and Grujic are clearly not first team upgrades. Karius and Grujic have time on their side but that is besides the point. We needed instant improvements. We have loads of potential. Is Grujic or Karius better than Brannagan or Ward? I think not. Wasted money.

Additionally, Klopp is massively reliant on Henderson; Another point I mentioned above. Without Hendo he cannot put together a functional midfield despite us having a plethora of options. Maybe his options are not suiting what he wants, but it is down to him to get the best from what he has. He isn't right now.

Additionally, his loyalty to Firmino, Lallana and Coutinho even when they are in dire form is costing us. Why not play a diamond with Origi and Mane up top? Things aren't working but he just perseveres with it for 2 months.

I am not saying he is absolved of any blame. I am simply pointing out the hipicrosy on here. Ranieri got sacked and we all blamed his players. Klopps team is not applying themselves against lesser opposition, yet we blame Klopp for that? Sorry, doesn't wash with me.

If we change managers again, it will just be another 7 years of transition. We picked Klopp, we were all happy with it, now stop whining and support him. Simple as that. There is no high horse here, it is just common sense mate!


6.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 15:29:29
I can't disagree with Ed002 and his assessment of Klopp and his tactics and basically everything else he tells us. Why? Because he tells us BEFORE it happens then hey presto, he gets it right again. He told us about Klopp being ok but not a great coach, he told us about his style of play being "found out" in Germany and how it wasnt sustainable for a whole season and he is being proven right again. He is also right about other teams not needing TRANSITION, Adam and again he is right. Its a joke, the teams a joke and i am peed off with it all.

{Ed033's Note - Yes, no one is 100% perfect, but Ed002 is the closest currently alive entity on Earth to it.


7.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 17:56:22
The club is in transition when ever we loose and on a ride when ever we win. The perspective eyes come when you loose a game and the insight and optimism when you win.
Along with the club the fans are also in transition. Some back in the 80's still referring to how Fergie took 8 years to win a cup and some in the 90's.


8.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 18:50:11
So who do we replace him with then rover?


9.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 21:17:18
so mk you basically went on to highlight just a lot of Klopps wrong decisions this year. I don't buy that Lallana has dipped. I know a few believe in what a certain some one says on him till they die.

Lallana hasn't changed his game, even in losses he still does the doney work the defensive work, he holds on to the ballbecause frankly there's no decent movement ahead of him.

It's a shame Klopp acted the way he did on tour with Sakho, yes sakho acted a little unprofessional, but a lot of the fall out for me lay at klopps feet too. If we had sakho this year instead of Lovren (hell even kolo) we'd be much better off.

I thinkt he blame being laid bare at some players is silly. Klopps gotten tactics VERY VERY wrong. highlines when deep ones were required, not altering formations, leaving subs coming on till too late. none of that's players fault. Sticking rigidly with the 433 that's getting exposed everytime hendo doesn't play. He had his chance to strengthen in the summer, He bought a flop for me in Gigi who's had 2 good games.

This isn't to say I think Klopp should be sacked, but this squad is very much his, he had the funds in the summer. he's had 2 winter windows. I haven't really seen a great many calling for his sacking though which is why i think your reaction is an overraction. We tend to get these 'philisophical' points from you without any real meaning. I said since December and got laughed off this board saying it was more than a 'bad run' which it clearly is.

People defending Ranieri for me are idiots. When the players won't play for you, you have to go, many of the pundits defending Ranieri, were scolding of Mourinho when Hazard et al downed tools and said he had to go, and they were no where near as bad as what leicester are. let's not forget, the Premiership is worth a lot more than champions league football and championship. The overreaction if it occurred was not in the criticism of Klopp, but the defense of Ranieri.


10.) 01 Mar 2017
01 Mar 2017 18:29:55
Spot on, Chileanred per Ranieri. Finally, someone who wasn't shocked he got the chop. Ranieri coached the players, signed the players who have come in and done nothing, prepared the team for the season knowing full well that as champions, every team would be out to get them YET from the first game vs Hull where they were outplayed and outfought, he still couldn't figure it out till he was sacked. I always knew he would get the chop cos he faile to instill the players with discipline and the stomach to fight especially with Kante gone and Mahrez taking the whole season off cos he wasn't allowed to leave. He got sacked cos that's football and will always be football. Players win games and coaches lose them. You can't sack the players and you can't drop a coach for one game and recall him afterwards. CR is in the best position to know that as he's been in the game at the highest level at big clubs for 30 years.

People making it sound like the players betrayed him are having a laugh. If he's getting credit for the PL win, he should get the blame or the boot if he can't hack it anymore. That's it. The pundits target who they want based on bias.