28 Feb 2017 04:54:13
Hi ed001
Why the hell are the players STILL complacent? Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they lost to EVERY non-top 6 team in 2017? Do they just not listen to the manager and naively brush it off as another 'blip'? Or do they just not give a toss?
Who do you think are the main culprits for the complacency? It's absolutely shambolic. You'd think all of the crazy German spitballs and a re-grouping training retreat in Spain would send the message across?
For all of the talk about a lack of plan B and bla bla bla, it all amounts to merely superficial semantics while the players just do not have the required mentality and resolve to win these games. If they did, this 'Plan B' talk would not be relevant. It's just like how some people partly blame Ranieri's poor recruitment for their demise into the relegation zone, even though problems such as failing to replace Kante have nothing to do with relegation form. Liverpool, just like Leicester, are literally in relegation form, and whether Klopp's tactics are appropriate or not, it doesn't really explain why we are playing so badly. This is a severe deficit of manliness in this team and it needs to be fixed fast.
What do you think ed?
{Ed001's Note - we have a lot of culprits to be honest. Not sure anyone can be truly excused, as it is a team game and they should all be sorting out themselves on the pitch.
For me we have Lallana and Coutinho, who have dropped their level massively since we hit the top. Couts can be excused through having been out injured and coming back into shambles, but Lallana just seems to think he is superman now. He reminds me of Moreno at the moment, no brain, constantly blocking up space and making it difficult by getting forward too early.
Then there is Matip, the senior centre back, who has no partnership with whoever he plays alongside at the moment and shows no signs of developing one. He is great when we are on top of matches, but as soon as we aren't he does not seem to understand the team ethic and provide cover. It is always his partner that is being targeted, so his job is to cover them, why is he not doing so?
Firmino is struggling badly with his passing, is that a result of the robbery and so excusable? Or is it more than that?
Milner is too predictable, he needs to stop cutting back on his right every time he gets the ball. Just play the damn thing in with your left, we know you are capable of doing it. Also, show some blooming leadership! You are meant to be an experienced international imparting that experience of winning onto your team mates. Instead you are a headless chicken offering little right now in the way of leadership. There is more to leading than hard work, you need to cajole, inspire, instruct, order, decide things. He is just too lacking in leadership qualities.
Clyne is just not good enough in any aspect of the game, no intelligence, no leadership, no ability on the ball, no reading of the game, nothing bar pace and workrate. It is just not enough.
Lucas is not what we need right now either. I love Lucas, he is a lovely bloke but we need nasty players right now. We need someone to kick arse, he is not going to do that. Great to have around the squad and for cover, but he needs to be surrounded by players with drive and hunger.
The less said about Migs the better. He did try and be decisive, but he was coming out for balls and causing confusion because there was no need on some of the occasions. Still he is at least making an effort to improve which is something. Sadly we never got to find out whether Karius has the character needed to make a difference, as he got dropped the moment it was tested.}
1.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 05:38:55
How much blame do we place at the feet of Klopp for this? You mentioned that Fergie for example was ruthless. Perhaps Klopp should be just as ruthless? And he seems to enjoy a load of backing from the board, I couldn't really imagine the players having the balls to stab him in the back like Leicester did to Ranieri. How much blame do we apportion to his recruitment in the summer (and winter)?
{Ed001's Note - how can he be ruthless? We have no replacements to just bring in. The one time he did show a ruthless streak was with Karius, which was the one position we did have a like for like replacement. Fergie was able to just go and buy at any point of the season, up until March, whereas Klopp only has two short windows to enact change. So he can't be as ruthless.
It is far too soon to judge his recruitment, it is not even a full season and I agreed with his decision not to buy in January when he couldn't get the right players. Better to build slowly, rather than trying to throw everything out and destroying any chances of doing well. We simply don't have the resources to buy everything we want and need.}
2.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 05:43:29
and thanks for the responses by the way.
{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome Robin.}
3.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 05:48:28
Agree completely ed bunch of spineless you know what's been sunning it up for two weeks yet my kids ain't even been abroad they're a disgrace unfit to wear the shirt.
4.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 06:05:11
A good response ed although I think klopp has got to start shouldering some of the blame.
Last summer I do believe he spent money on areas that where less important than others (mainly wijnaldum)
I also think we made a massive mistake in not buying anyone in January, our form had been on the slide coming into January and took a nose dive during January. A new player or two would have helped that I believe. If we truly couldn't get the targets we wanted then it was the correct decision 100% but if we could of got them for a couple of mil above there normal price then we should have gone for it.
At the end of the day top 4 is still achievable just klopp has got to get this into the players heads and get them going again.
{Ed001's Note - easy to say pay extra but that just leads to paying even more next time around. Spurs have stayed strong and made do for years, and they are showing the benefits. We need to start doing the same and just sucking it up when there are bad times along the way.}
5.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 06:09:55
Hang on, did the transfer window used to be open all year bar for a couple of months at the end of the season?
{Ed001's Note - yes, when the original football-rumours site started, the transfer window was open until the final couple of months of the season. It has killed the smaller teams ability to compete putting in the window, as they have to sell before the season kicks off to ensure they have money. Before they could hold onto their players until they ran short of money, then they would usually have a player who was having a great season to sell for more money, or they could get lucky in the cups and negate the need to sell.}
6.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 07:57:43
Ed klopp certaintly needs to think of changing the formation for games like last night
Against top teams where fine. No issue.
It just isn't working against the lesser sides.
Is it the players or is it the system.
He hasn't changed the system or the players so we can't know for certain.
What worries me is it was our am who made those changes last night not klopp. I have seen them talk loads and klopp sort of shrugs away but last night he nodded and origi and moreno came on and we did look better. Well we scored anyway. Does klopp have that?
He never makes a half time change and his subs are always 80 odd minutes. He is certaintly far to trusting of players, he creates a great atmoaphere and is our coach for hopefully the next decade but 2-0 down and outplayed and not a single change, that's what worries me. Why not bring origi on straight away.
Firmino ed was like this when he first started he's the weirdest footballer i've ever seen. One minute your praying Barcelona aren't watching the other you think tranmere might snap him up. His workrate is always solid but he's either brilliant or unbrilliant, doesn't seem to ever just be efficient. Brilliant player but n5 when its not his day.
7.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 08:17:27
Sorry but not to lay any blame on kloop is unreal he had a center back with bite he choose to loan out instaed of using him till the end of season then let him go kloop is choosing the players and tactics and making the subs he's had over 2 weeks to prepare for this everyone new Leicester would be bang at it with raneri being sacked no excuse for me and counts has been shocking since his return back to the form that is normsl except for 5 games were he is world class said it before far to inconsistent would rather have the money for him and he's been back since last year so hardly an excuse for him he was injured so was lallana but u have no probs slating him.
8.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 13:18:13
So everything on players now? Lol. The same team who beat a Spurs playing high line with us playing the same crap yesterday? The players fault then. Lol.
9.) 28 Feb 2017
28 Feb 2017 13:28:26
It's really poor.
How many could Vardy have scored if he was in Form?
He could easily had 5
The problem is not down fully to the defence. None of thE outfield players set the pace of the game by closing down and pressing to force the error.
This allowed city to control the game.
The Liverpool players should be ashamed of playing like Leicester have all season ending in there manager getting sacked while still in the champions league last 16.
The Leicester players should be MORE ASHAMED putting in a performance like that after their manager getting the sack.
Pitiful all round.