17 Feb 2017 08:23:43
Haha shows how fickle some of our fans are I remember people calling him things like the next Gerrard/ Toure when he first signed. Can is a young player and still learning his trade granted he has been in poor form recently and the team are performing better with Wijnaldum (Captain of the Netherlands? ) in midfield ahead of him but that doesn't mean he should be sold! He's an excellent player that just needs to put his head down and work hard. A lad with a great attitude and seems to have a genuine fondness for the club and guys want rid because of a few average performances. He has been excellent for us since arriving and been played every position besides his own for two years without kicking up a fuss for the good of the team. He needs our patience and support now.

1.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 08:32:33
Thats why he doesn't look to have improved becayse people claimed he was going to be that good and now he isn't well he isn't good at all.

STOP COMPARING ANY PLAYER UNDER THE AGE OF 20 TO THE SUPERSTARS IN THERE POSITION.

Its very rare they will become that even if they become good players.

2.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 08:48:56
Doesn't cut the mustard with me pal and I've never ever considered him a possible replacement for stevie G wouldn't lace his boots I'm not saying he's a bad player but just not good enough to reach the standards of at least top 4 each season, young and room for improvement maybe but pace he lacks maybe with experience he might become a bit more cunning in his style of play which can make up for his lack of pace! A good squad player but no 1st teamer but that's just my opinion.

3.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 08:52:13
Is he still a young player learning his trade?
This is a 23yr old lad in his 3rd season at Liverpool with about 100 games under his belt in England and Germany's top league. He's also a German international.

He's no rookie.

{Ed001's Note - still should be 3 or 4 years away from his peak, so yes learning.}

4.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 09:29:29
Maybe if he wasn't trying to hold the club to to demand higher wages while completely not proving he's worth them he might be playing better.

5.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 10:21:56
He needs time and support that's all. There's a good player in him. Matter of time before he shuts up all the doubters.

6.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 10:43:10
He's got a lot of work to do is all I can say then.
Hope he does turn it around.
In 3 seasons I've watched him he doesn't seem to have much 'game intelligence' or awareness.
Loads of commitment, incredible stamina, just needs to up his technique and somehow develop the football intelligence to go with it.

7.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 10:53:25
He'll never shut up the doubters. He has the ability, that's not in question for me. He's just too erratic in his form to be a top player, more likely to disappear into mediocrity than give a stellar performance. He may shut the doubters for a game or two but then the usual Can will come back. I said from the start he wasn't good enough. I watch a lot of bundesliga and the traits he shows now he has shown since his Leverkusen days. He hasn't really developed at all which worries me most about him. I don't like being too negative about one player but I think Can has too many flaws, even his temperament, he can be as prone to rash and unnecessary challenges as Moreno if things aren't going your way.

8.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 11:06:14
Natural poolie, Emre's good performances come typically when he is handed a very simplified role.

9.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 11:13:12
A very similar player to Igor Biscan for me.
Heart of a lion, will run all day but never really seems composed and seems to be chasing the game.
Last season I lost count of the number of times he'd leave his position in midfield to literally take the ball off Sakhos foot and then pass it to a player who had moved into the space he'd vacated. What was the point of that? Used to drive me potty. Also if put under pressure by an opponent, he'd seem to panic which is not what you want from a midfielder.

Don't want to tear into the lad, I'd love it if he did succeed, like I wanted Igor to succeed.

10.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 11:05:25
Ed001, Can may be learning, but he is a very slow learner. He's done a poor job of keeping up with the curriculum, so there is a lot for him to catch up on. With all due respect to Emre, I'm not sure Liverpool should be a place for slow learners.

{Ed001's Note - why? Does it matter how quick they learn, so long as they do? Why are you so impatient? We can't afford to buy finished products and complete packages, so you need to learn patience or you are just going to get frustrated. Just remember Ian Rush was terrible for three years, but the club stuck with him. I am not saying Can is going to be at that level, but that you sometimes have to have patience with a player to achieve what they can.}

11.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 11:41:44
Some players just doesn't cut at some clubs. that doesn't make him a bad player. Lazar Markovic is an example. He is not a bad player but wouldn't ever cut at Liverpool. Can is no exception. I would personally love the club to go and buy a world class CM. Someone more disciplined to sit deep and dictate the pace of the game ( Rabiot / Verratti / Carrick ) .

And for the matter of fact, I don't need another Gerrard, certainly not the way we play, moreover I have that position well covered under Coutinho and Lallana playing that advanced role. What I need is an Alonso. Gerrard was a brilliant CAM, we don't need a CAM nor Can would ever be a CAM.

The club over the years tried to replace player to player rather than positions which is why we are short on certain positions and over stocked in some other positions.

Can doesn't bring anything that is a must for the current system we play while we are desperately short in that holding midfielder role for which we have no genuine class. Can would never be that player.

Everyone would unanimously agree the need for a top class holding midfielder and someone has to make space for the new player. Hence Can.

This is strictly based on improvement for the first team.

Cheers.

12.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 11:49:00
Much more ability than biscan. Can has got it and has showed it in snippets. Biscan in fairness wasn't a great player but was a cult figure with a catchy song. Can is much more than that. Be a mistake to sell him on.

13.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 12:50:13
Ron, agree with you in general but the dropping into defence thing was clearly under instruction so I wouldn't hold that against him.

He may turn good but I'm getting a serious Ibe vibe about him, a player I was seriously excited about who turns out to be rather average.

14.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 14:11:16
Sorry ed but I'm not convinced. It's really hard to show patience when the player barely displays any signs of improvement. I didn't expect him to be the finished product by now but expected at least some obvious improvements in his game. For me, he doesn't really have the natural football intelligence to cut it for us.

{Ed001's Note - maybe so but that is not for us to decide and you don't see him in training to make a judgement on that really. For me he has a lot of weaknesses to his game, but all things that can easily be fixed.}

15.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 14:29:03
If they're easily fixed then why has it taken so long to fix? I heard he has a great work ethic at training, but something doesn't seem to be entirely getting through to him. My issue is that he's got too many weaknesses.

{Ed001's Note - because he has been messed about so much and in and out of the team in various positions. Why are you so hard on him? Lallana was terrible for years before it clicking this season, why can you not give the lad time and support?}

16.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 14:36:45
True ed1 you say things better then I do mate and I 100% agree with what your saying. The lad needs more time, to me under Klopp he can be special it could go the other way but I seriously doubt it. But so called fans write him off far too easily give the lad more time, still at his age he needs to learn more no doubt about that but it doesn't mean he's going to be mediocre. Patience is key. Trust Klopp he knows better then us lot.

{Ed001's Note - he might never get it, but his issues are not the worst, so he deserves time.}

17.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 16:19:53
For me, Can is currently a weak link. If money was no object and we only wanted short term success, we could sell him and go blitz £40m on an immediate improvement.

However, and I am one of Can's biggest critics, to write a young player off is insanity! Look at United with Pique and Pogba. Or look at us trying to swap Henderson for Clint Dempsey! Or Spurs offering Gareth Bale around because he was so poor nobody would touch him! Susi who we shipped off and is now a top player at AC Milan. We all wrote Lucas off until about 5 years ago people realised he was actually very good.

Look guys, Can may never make it. I have my doubts. I do not think we should make him a scapegoat for all our issues though. He is 23! The same people are writing off Kev Stewart as well. We need a holding midfielder? Hello people, we already have Stewart who Klopp loves and always puts in top performances when called on.

I would not lose sleep if Can was sold, but I wouldn't actively look to sell him. He has all the signs of a potential regret if we we're to sell. The bloke is an International for Germany! Average players don't get picked for Germany!

We are better than the common English rabble guys. Let's not right off Can so soon. He may be 23, but up until 18 months ago he was playing left back for Leverkusen, right back for Germany and centre back for Rodgers! He probably is behind in his development, but that didn't stop Drinkwater, Albrighton and Vardy from winning the title last season did it!

18.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 17:18:38
MK, that just doesn't cut it, to take your argument to extremes we should never sign anyone and only play youth on the off chance they turn into superstars.

Players need to be evaluated and if they're not good enough they need to be moved on to make space for someone better. That may not even apply to Can yet but it's the correct way of doing business in general.

As for your examples you're cherry picking and it's part of this logical fallacy that because we might come to regret an action we shouldn't do it all.

Bottom line is that Can is part of the problems we've had this season and if he can't demonstrate he can be part of the solution then his future is in doubt.

19.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 17:34:55
Ziege played for Bayern, AC Milan and over 70 appearances for Germany but was a complete failure for us. It is no guarantee.

The difference is the pace of the premier league. You have to have quick feet and speed of thought. The tempo is totally different in other leagues and indeed international football.
Being picked for Germany or thriving in a slower league does not mean you will succeed in the premier league.

20.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 18:59:48
I knew I was reading Harry's post above even before I'd seen his name. Soon as I saw the names Rabiot/ Veratti I knew it was him. His latest man crushes!

21.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 19:23:44
What is all this vitriol against Can? Seems like he has become the new Lucas. Fans always need to pick out a scapegoat. Be happy we do not have Aquilani lining up for us anymore and he did not get anywhere near the punishment Can is receiving.

22.) 17 Feb 2017
17 Feb 2017 19:38:11
Can has weaknesses to his game and that is clear as even he alludes to that in his interviews. He also has qualities as well. His issues can be worked on and his qualities can be improved. I just feel that he hasn't found his right position yet in midfield and this is where coaching and patience comes in. he needs time and patience like we gave Hendo, Lallana and many others. If you are not willing to show patience with a player you want to come good, you don't deserve the player you eventually want him to be, period.