06 Feb 2017 10:02:26
Eds is Dr Steve Peters still at the club?

{Ed001's Note - he was still available to be used, but he was not directly employed, thankfully. His methods didn't stop us collapsing at the end of the 2013/14 season did they? They certainly haven't done much for England either. He was great in cycling, but no one else had an equivalent, no one else in the world had the facilities and the finances being thrown at cycling at the time that Britain was doing it. So a lot of the improvements were, similar to Wenger when he arrived in England, down to just increased professionalism over the opposition, rather than any psychological stuff.}

1.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 14:11:48
Gerrard slipped.

We had just won 11 straight games. The chelsea game wasnt bottled. It was a team playing 1-10-0-0 and once they got the goal it gave them every insentive to hold on.

Then we smashed palace only to keep trying for more goals incase city slipped up we had to get 5/ 6 more or something.

Then we beat newcastle.

Where was the end of season collapse? :S

Gerrard doesn't slip and we draw that game then we wouldn't of tried for more against palace and then we beat newcastle and that would of been the league.

Just can't advocate for other people getting the blame when if allen had of slipped he would of been chased out the city.

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard's slip is irrelevant, we were not winning that game regardless of his slip. We did not smash Palace, check the scoreline. We lost focus constantly that season throughout the team, hence the ludicrous amount of goals conceded. You are being a dick simply to be a dick with this. Gerrard did not cost us the title, we lost it dropping points to teams throughout the season, not in one game. Allen did not slip and lose the ball, so your petty snide digs about him getting chased out of the city are pure supposition and complete nonsense.}

2.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 14:27:59
I agree ed, but if your going to slag Brendan's team for goals conceded then you can't get away from the fact that Klopps team is exactly the same?

{Ed001's Note - how am I slagging them? This is nothing to do with Rodgers or Klopp. Will people read the OP and stick to the topic instead of making up irrelevant points. I am talking about Dr Steve Peters and how his work failed us. We lost focus constantly, in particular during that Palace match, and that was one of the main things he should have improved. Forget who was in charge, I am talking purely about Peters and his role. Forget everything else, this is not about Rodgers or Klopp.}

3.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 14:38:34
Ok fair one, I do get sidetracked quite easily. Sorry mate 😁.

{Ed001's Note - everyone seems to on here. The actual point seems to get lost as people look for thungs to argue over.}

4.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 14:43:45
Sorry to bring it up Ed01 I just remember gerrard talking about how much he helped him when he was at the club and how he himself recommended him to hodgson for him to come in and help the england team, As for the 2014 Season it isn't Gerrards Slip that haunts me it was the game vs city when Sterling made a run at the halfway line through the middle leaving only him and the keeper and the linesman called offside when he was 5 yards on haunts me everyday if we won that game but oh well.

{Ed001's Note - exactly there were hundreds of things that stopped us winning. As for Peters, the proof is in the pudding and he has done nothing to prove he can make a difference. Gerrard may have enjoyed working with him but his game showed no mental improvement from working with Peters. That slip alone showed a lack of mental focus which is Peters' responsibility to work on. The only instance of true success that Peters is involved in, apart from his personal achievements as an over age athlete, was UK cycling. That was not down to him and all about the change from amateur cycling to professional athletes and diet, better equipment etc. The UK team was so far ahead of the rest that Peters was irrelevant.}

5.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 15:43:59
Wonder how many points Gerrard won for us that season by scoring and making decisive goals. Not all about that one match.

{Ed001's Note - and how many goals were conceded by him being out of position etc that no one noticed? That is not a dig, I am just pointing out that there were plenty of goals conceded that he was at least partly to blame for, and plenty created and scored by him too, yet people are still going on about a slip in a game we were never winning anyway.}

6.) 06 Feb 2017
Post deleted for being irrelevant

{Ed001's Note - shut up and read the op and try and stick to the point. You are wasting everyone's time and clearly the point has been totally missed in your pathetic attempt to turn this into an attack on one player. I am bored of your ridiculous attempt to justify your irrelevant point which actually, if anything, backs up what I said, if you only had managed to understand it.}

7.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 16:33:19
Ah hahaha. Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. Deleting posts when you can't win and then still having the nerve to post back so all people can read is youts as though my post was conpletly rubish. that's bad.

You can't run this site as your own god complex domain. Your not always going to be right. You mainly are but deleting as soon as someone acrually posts something you would have to hold your hands up to and go fair enough, is appalling.

This isn't the first time either.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? You haven't understood at all. You are missing the whole point of this thread. Just give it a rest until you can understand. Only thing deleted was utterly pointless.}

8.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 17:09:16
Ed, is a thung something we used to argue about but not anymore?

{Ed001's Note - something like that. Or could just be my fat fingers and a phone are not a good combo.}

9.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 17:30:26
Supermane, let it go. You are embarrassing yourself as it seems you are unable to have a fair and honest conversation about this issue without injecting yourself personally into the discussion. It is getting stale and tedious.

10.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 19:28:35
Last post.

Original poster asked if steve peters was still at the club.

Ed then said he is still avaliable but not at rhe club currently. Then proceeding to say that was good because his methods didn't stop our end of season collapse 13/ 14.

I then stated that it wasnt anything to do with dr peters and that the league was lost because gerrards slip and stating the facts as to why.

16 games unbeated from jan 24th. 11 wins on the trott. Needed 7 points from 9 to win the league. Could get a draw against chel, palace or newcastle.

We lost to chelsea but they were showing nothing until gerrards slip let ba straight through for a rather simple finish and this then gave chelsea a lead to defend which as we have all seen is the worst thing because players tend to put there bladdy lives on the line. If gerrard hadnt of slipped im pretty sure as we were dominating posession in that match that it would of more than likely ended in a draw. as there two goals where 1 was our fault and 2 a counter because we werew so open as we had to score because losing left the league in citys hands where pretty much there only opps as they hand just set uo to defend.

Then later ed said that the palace collapse was down to peters or that he didn't help ans i stated that we smashed them at the 3-0 up point and again pretty certain we would of been a lot calmer in that postion if we had drew or beat chelsea, as we wouldn't of needed the goal difference.

Then later ed blamed peters for gerrards slip becauze that was a lack of concentration and im pretty sure he was just winding me up on that one as the slip was the contact lapsing between boot and foot. not gerrard taking a touch and falling asleep.

It was all to cement the fact that our beloelved and captain fantastic was at fault for the lose of the league but that didn't effect in the slightesr his legacy and legend status within the club. local or worldwide but that IF someone like alleb had of made that slip there wouldn't be any other pointless discussion about whereelse the league was lost or who elses fault it

as it happened i said - with head in hands - to myself that if we don't get back into this it was fate for gerrard to slip as the week before his much publicised end of city speech "we don't let this slip" had happened but thankfully it was him who slipped because there would be noone else who could of done it and not have it stick for ever as the person who cost liverpool the title. It was like all his other accompliments where for that one point like credits. Weird but without all the rest it would of stuck.

But his legend isn't touched in the slightest at all, champions league hero. fa cup hero. GERRRRRRRRAAARDDD. always loved.

{Ed001's Note - you have missed the point, again. I never blamed Peters for the slip, I said it was a lapse in concentration, which led to the miscontrol, which was the issue, not the slip, which followed. If Peters had been doing his job properly, the players would have been fully focused and that kind of miscontrol would have not happened. Though it was not fully his fault, I was saying that he clearly did not have the effect he was meant to have. Not that he miscontrolled the ball.

As for the rest, it is bull. You play 38 games, one slip costs you, at most, 3 points, or, in this case, 1 point, not the title. It is not getting enough points over the 38 games in their entirety that cost us the league, not one slip. Just ask Leicester. They remained focused when the pressure was on and kept going, but then they didn't have Peters and Rodgers using psychology to 'help' them.

Anyway, the point was, he did nothing to help the players maintain focus, the collapse I was referring to was the Palace game, which we did collapse in and threw away an easy three points. That was not what cost us the title though, it was the first half of the season that cost us, when we were terrible and people (which they conveniently like to forget) were calling for Rodgers' head.}

11.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 19:56:57
I tend not to bite at this kind of opinion, but I feel it needed here. Anyone that blames Gerrard and that slip for costing us the league that season is just using that as a stick to beat him with. They tend to overlook (as shown here) the loss against Hull, a home loss against Southampton, draws against WBA and Villa. The palace draw is for me a proud moment, as I saw my team realise that they needed goals and from what I saw tried to beat Palace by a ridiculous amount to claw back some of the goal difference to put pressure on City again. I'm more than happy with that in that situation. Now as a person it's well known Gerrard is a weapon, and he has done some damage within the club previously. But if your going to slate him at least give him stick for something that's actually down to him.

12.) 06 Feb 2017
06 Feb 2017 20:49:16
Ed i said last post but your wrong on this one.

Gerrards slip wasnt a lack of concentration by anyone. He took posession of the ball and everyone was in position for him to make a pass, he took a heavy touch, he then went to recover it and his boot slipped off the grass. No laspe in concentration.

The palace game we were 3-0 up and if we weren't going for the goal difference against city then we wouldn't of been so attacking at that point as the game was won. Again if we hadnt of lost to chelsea.

The season is about getting to the last 3/ 4 games with the league in your own hands that's the point. Your going to lose throughout and draw. injuries. suspensions the lot. We needed 7 points from 9 that's a great achievment. We weren't chasing anyone. It was ours. Just had to draw or win againdt chelsea out of the last 3.

And the first half of the season where we were top at christmas? Lost 4 drew 3 in the first 18 games? Solid start to the season that ed. Not the beautiful spectacle the second half of the season was but a real profession start.

And did nothing to help the players. well from jan 24th we were unbeaten and that consisted of an 11 game winning streak.

That slip doesn't happen and we draw or win that game then the league was atleast an 80% chance of being back on merseyside! Like that's it.

{Ed001's Note - is a heavy touch not down to a lack of concentration? I think it is, as it is not his usual touch. We were awful in most of the first half of the season, it was just a bit like last season, when everyone else was awful too so teams like us and Arsenal got up there by default. Oh and we would have drawn or lost that game with or without the slip.}