01 Nov 2016 08:54:52
Reguarding the debate on Henderson with ed four one.

Ed was saying he doesn't see the value oh Henderson which infuriated me not in a i'm going to be an ass way, just that hendo is my fave player even my misses says I criticize everyone but hendo. but for me he's my type of player even above gerrard as gerrard had an attitude of i'm the best midfielder in England were as hendo has an attitude of I play for the best club in England, for me hendo is about the team, gerrard was about gerrard, kissing the cam v utd, patting his name v west ham fa cup final was all abit too much look at me. I no gerrard was the better player but hendo is more valuble because he is a leader of a team, gerrard never lead as a team he lead for gerrard.

Sorry for the long post and if anyone disagrees, just my opinion.

thanks.

1.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 09:31:51
Henderson on his best day is not even closer to Gerrard on his worse day. Make no mistake I like Henderson. He keeps it simple and has worked enormously hard to get it to where he is now.
There are only two midfielders better than Gerrard. Sourness and Alonso. While Gerrard has the been the best player in the last 15 years at the club.

Gerrard is a Hope which is now carried on the shoulders of Coutinho and Firmino.

Gerrard has been the reason some of the people even started following Liverpool outside England.

2.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 09:50:36
Not having any of that mate . Gerrard is the most complete footballer ever, I prefer Lucas to hendo,

3.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 09:52:48
Sweet chin I said gerrard was a better player, However I think hendo is a better captain and team player. and this keeping it simple is nonsense in my opinion, he is very clever with his passing, when you see him make that short sideways pass you think simple I think its too an open player who can then do something like a drive forward or a forward pass rather than hendo keeping the ball and trying to force the pass or run, he is constantly moving and supporting players and attracting attention of oppo players which gives space for couts and lallana to freely play.

4.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 09:57:19
If you put skill aside, I can completely see your point, Jay.

Gerrard was an obvious inspiration, to both the other players and the fans. He was Roy of the Rovers in real life, and my favourite player for over a decade.

However, I do wonder whether Gerrard's personality and selfishness had a negative impact on the team. Ed001, do you have some insight on this?

Hendo comes across to me as (to use a cricket example) something of a Mike Brearley. Not the absolute best player in his position, but a fantastic captain.

Time will tell, as he's not had that long as captain, but I see Hendo as enabling a number of other players to shine.

With Gerrard, often, if he wasn't on song, the team wasn't on song. Don't get me wrong, Gerrard on song could take apart any team in the world singlehandedly, and I loved him for it.

But if a leader is meant to enable the people he leads to shine in their own right, then I believe Hendo will end up being the better captain.

{Ed001's Note - I think that is the case, to a degree. Gerrard overshadowed almost everyone else, rather than enhanced them with his presence.}

5.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 09:58:38
"Gerrard is the best player in the last 15 years at the club"
"Alonso is a better player"

Erm. Alonso played for us between '04 and '09. Pretty sure sure those numbers mean you are speaking in tongues again Harry! 😉.

6.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 10:05:18
I et your point and I also love Hendo, he's an excellent midfielder all around but Gerrard quality, not yet. he'll certainly be matching how gerrard was if he carrys on playing the way he is. Hendo is exciting and now looking the real deal.

7.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 10:39:30
"Gerrard is the best player in the last 15 years"
"Alonso is a better player than Gerrard"

Alonso played for us between '04 and '09, so those statements don't really add up mate. You are speaking in tongues again Harry 😉.

8.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 11:06:28
Jay

Keeping it simple is a good attribute to a player who is supposed to keep it neat and simple in his position he play. No shame he always try to find a player for the next pass unfortunate he see none as both his partners are in no man's land high up the pitch.

Henderson will always find one place in the midfield in my team. But he wouldn't the lone man.

9.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 11:09:38
You need not play 10 years at a club to show your value. Xabi went to Real and stole the show. Went to Bayern and doing first class. He without a doubt is the best CM we had ever ( not see much of Souness )
Alonso is a position and not just a player who is pretty much dying from the game. He could pick a player up in the moon with his exceptional range of passing in the mean time he could tackle much precise than Busquets.

10.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 12:50:10
Alonsos greatest attribute and his job under Raffa in the Liverpool team was his ability to receive the ball and pass asap to Gerrard.
Stevie could have played for any top team in Europe but for his loyalty to us.
The reason other players felt overshadowed by him is that they were unable to reach his level of play.
Souness was a dirty but good midfielder but put himself first all the time and not the club. It became obvious later.
If you ask alonso to name the best he has played with he would say Gerard top 3. As woud Torres and as would Suarez.

11.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 12:56:49
SG and Hendo are two different player. SG had better ability on the ball but seemed to want to do his own thing most of the time and try to rescue games on his own, which is why Rafa had to put in on the right to cut that out and making more tactically and positionally aware. On the right, he scored over 20 goals that season as well, his best output till date (2005/ 06 season, I think) . SG just wouldn`t agree to play within a set system hence, didn`t make his team mates better. He had too much power over several of them and at the club hence, it went downhi in the latter stages of his LFC career. Hendo on the other hand, is a player who is effective within the system he`s in and flourishes because he is like a sponge when taking in information, listens to his coaches and works tirelessly on his game. He is more positionally aware and tactically astute than SG even with less ability and that is key to flourish in any system you play as well as getting better with age just like Alonso has, unlike SG. They both have their faults and weaknesses but they should not be compared.

12.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 13:34:18
When Gerrard had the same level of talent around him that Henderson has currently, he was one of the best in the world. That only happened briefly in his career - early on with Houllier, then with Rafa, Alonso and Torres and then with Suarez, which was the team I really thought would win the league for us (coincidentally, missing Henderson through suspension really hurt us in the end) . Gerrard actually took a backseat that season, and we nearly went all the way.

Comparing the two is extremely unfair on one of them, although, by the end of Henderson's career, he may be able to live up to Gerrard. He could go a long way toward doing that by leading the team to a premier league title this year!

13.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 15:54:55
I agree if Hendo was not suspended at the end of the season we'd have won the league.

I can't rightly remember but was Hendo suspended/ injured for the FA cup final under Kenny?

14.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 18:11:47
"You need not play 10 years at a club to show your value"
😂😂😂 genius.

15.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 09:20:24
I agree he's a good leader but I think ed41 will need a bit more convincing than that.
Maybe Adam can pop up with a stats post :)

{Ed041's Note -NO!!!! please don't! he's amazing the best CM ever to grace the game ;)

16.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 19:06:12
Gerrard is History. Hendo is NOW.

Support our Captain. who is a much better role model for youngsters than Gerrard ever was!

17.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 22:54:57
Spot on, Liver.

18.) 01 Nov 2016
01 Nov 2016 20:53:13
For my money the best central midfield I've seen was Souness, no one comes close.

19.) 02 Nov 2016
02 Nov 2016 00:49:17
Liverpool were a great team already when Souness joined.
Im not saying he wasn't a good midfielder but he was not the greatest midfielder ever.
He was definitely the dirtyest player ever I remember playing for Liverpool in the last 40 years
He also left us to go to Italy where he didn't win anything.
He let us down badly as manager and over the Hillsborough affair.